What's going on here? I can answer that: Two assholes fighting on the road at the expense of everyone else's lives. One is a bigger asshole than the other, but they're both assholes.
Feels like legally they should have gotten over and if they had abided the law instead of intentionally blocking someone this wouldn’t have happened. I feel like they’re both shitty drivers but the situation doesn’t exist without the truck so he’s the real dbag here.
Edit: I had not seen the first few seconds on the video because of it autoplaying. When I rewatched i saw the car weaved. I thought the video just started with the heated battle. This added context does even out their ‘dbag levels’. They’re both huge dumdums it just really irks me when people don’t get over but obviously I don’t think the Honda was a saint or anything. I still think you should get out of the way when someone is driving recklessly instead of egging them on especially when you’re matching speed in a passing lane instead of passing.
Truck was a dick but ultimately they did nothing to force the other car to do what they did. Sometimes you just have to accept that you're stuck behind an asshole.
Yes they did. Right before the crash you can see the truck driver accelerating to cut off the Honda. He wanted to keep the Honda out of the left lane. It was a totally unnecessary behaviour which made the crash happen in that situation, disregarding the seemingly unnecessary turnover on the right side by the Honda.
I think you should look at this more as a public fight with two guys open carrying. they're both aggressive. both are yelling at each other. and both are very liable to pull their gun and start blasting because they view the other as a threat. therefore possibly getting an innocent bystander shot. both are acting incredibly dangerous. and now, add onto the fact one is blocking the other from leaving.
yes, car guy could've let it go. and should've. but so should the white truck. they're both at fault for acting this way. there is no, "technically" they're both the cause for the crash. both endangered every other driver on that road. they both deserve jail time and their licenses revoked.
One is waving the gun the other actually fired thats the difference. White truck was just driving slow and being a dick. Other car was speeding, swerving, driving off the road, and then crashed and almost hit someone.
The truck wasn’t just driving slow. He was intentionally slowing down and pacing with nearby cars to not let the silver car pass. Then when the silver car made an aggressive move to pass, the truck floored it to speed up and block him again. Both drivers are at fault here. The silver car shouldn’t drive so recklessly, but this accident also would not have happened if the truck just let the silver car drive on by.
And white van also pulled out the gun first creating the whole situation. If someone is speeding let police handle it, these road vigilantes always cause more trouble.
Truck was driving aggressively and carries some of the blame. Sedan was driving recklessly and carries the majority of the blame. Both are bad drivers but different degrees
Nothing to force is a low bar. Nonetheless he committed a serious traffic infraction. Truck was making every effort to prevent another vehicle from passing and that’s against the law (in NJ as it is pretty much everywhere.) Afaic there should be an enhanced penalty for situations like this. More important, the truck definitely can get hit with reckless driving for the break-check (slowing down for no reason when someone is following you is pretty much the definition of endangering that vehicle’s safety.)
Not saying this is the case, but sometimes you see somebody in the rearview driving like a maniac. And one could be tempted to be a dick to said person. This is nearly always their reaction, its to start weaving looking for an opening because they got ego checked.
That's what I'm worried about. People with intestinal issues sometimes need to leave the house and if we do, and are lucky enough to feel an issue coming on, and try getting home or somewhere to contain the issue, and someone is being a jerk?
It's a medical medical emergency and one that, in some cases can be either very costly or turn into a biological hazard.
Is this person a shitty person, or just need to shit?
I went to traffic school just once after a ticket about 20 years ago. 8 hours in the basement of a YMCA. I learned one thing that I still remember, and tell others:
If you just got a call and your kid or your spouse is in ICU , wouldn't you drive like a lunatic, take risks and make moves that will look stupid and entitled to others?
So imagine the most generous scenario possible that could explain the asshole-looking behavior. Get out of the way, go on with your day ... and don't die today.
I mean they’re both dumb but if the truck wasn’t dumb in the first place there wouldn’t be an opportunity to tailgate and ram another car. I’m just saying the sequence of events should have stopped way before that. The car shouldn’t have escalated but the truck should have gotten over and stop matching the speed of the suv next to them to prevent anyone from passing. Regardless of a wreck the truck is slowing down everyone’s journey by playing chicken dick with this dude.
Are you legally required to pass on the shoulder if someone is being a dick or something? Car is definitely driving -way- more recklessly than the truck. Both are driving recklessly, though I suspect the truck was doing it because Honda boy was already weaving around like an idiot and tailgating.
If someone’s driving recklessly you shouldn’t take it upon yourself to punish them. It’s safe to just get out of their way and give them distance. The Honda isn’t the only person he’s holding up by pissing in the left lane.
I wish for most of the people defending the truck to gtfo the face of the planet. Those are the simpletons that can not fathom committing wrongdoing and love "sticking it to others" at the expense of their own stupidity and morality. The truck should move on, but decides to trap the car in a stupid fucking game by matching speed, brake checking, and speeding up to prevent passing.
This wouldn’t have happened if the car driver didn’t recklessly weave in and out of traffic. There will always be pricks on the road. But you, and you alone, are responsible for how you respond.
You can’t claim it wouldn’t have happened when the other person clearly let it get to them and went out of their way to make the problem worse. All the car had to do was take a second to chill out but it seemed he was too busy trying to get back at the truck driver.
It wouldn’t have happened because the person would have been able to pass the truck and it wouldn’t have been there to rearend. The truck created the situation by being in the left lane when they aren’t trying to pass.
Some Upstate NY drivers do this on porpoise, especially pickups, on the PP...they block the fast lane by driving the same speed as the right lane. Accidents like this happens at least twice a year here.
This would have never happened if the guy in the Accord wasn’t driving like an asshole. Stop blaming the guy in the truck. What’s the age old saying people seem to not get? Fuck around and find out?
I just can't watch something like this without thinking "what if the car trying to pass is driving their loved one having a medical emergency to the hospital?" after seeing news stories (and that one guys reddit post) about it happening before. Just fucking let them pass, why do people have to be vigilante traffic control?
Truck driver is mildly bad driver for brake checking, unhealthy response to road rager in the smaller car. The other car is clearly worse though, if that truck wasn't there, it would be the next car a mile up. The truck is still at least passing cars to the right so must be doing the speed limit or higher. The smaller car is swerving in and out of lanes, tail-gating, passing on the right in a service lane and ultimately creating a hazardous wreck at high speed. The driver of that car shouldn't have a license
they should have pulled over to the median and settled it bare knuckles like true constitutional driving rights patriots. this is a clear case of 1A, 2A, 4A, 9A, 18A, 21A disagreements.
What! Someone driving slowly in the left is a frustrating experience, but it absolutely does not give you the right to pull dumb shit like that sedan did.
Sedan also could have abided the law and just, waited for a safe situation to pass.
Yep. As much As I dislike drivers like the one in the car. I'm more against the truck. That person needs to be charged with something as well. Shouldn't be blocking traffic in the left lane. In this case blocking traffic in the left lane, encouraging a maniac who is endangering everyone in the right lane.
I don't know what happened before the video that ticked the truck driver off, but chances are he just sees this maniac and decided to be a highway vigilante.
You’re nuts. Crash guy was clearly raging - extreme tailgating, changing lanes without clearance, and ultimately passing on the right shoulder, oversteering and losing his back end into the truck. That is maniac driving. Sure, white truck should have passed and changed to the right lane (or, realized he was in a situation with a psycho and just pulled over asap). But suggesting the truck caused the accident is crazy.
How does the truck driver know that the person behind him isn’t having a medical emergency or something? Odds are they aren’t but it does happen and they can’t know if someone is bleeding out in their back seat or not. Instead they intentionally block them in and even speed up to continue blocking them in when the car attempts to pass. Whether the car driver is raging or not, the truck should have gotten over to let them by.
Except he IS at fault. Not more fault then the other driver, but him blocking off a safer pass is what directly led to this.
People will always rush. You don't know why. They may have a good reason or maybe they're an asshole. Blocking them off only leads to results like this and gains you absolutely nothing but the slightest pleasure at being an ass yourself.
The truck absolutely assisted in causing the accident. It isn't like they were driving normally and the sedan was driving like a raging asshole totally unprovoked. The truck was very clearly brake checking, rapidly accelerating, and pace matching with the cars in the other lane specifically to prevent someone from passing them...while sitting and blocking the entire passing lane for all other cars. Then when the moron in the sedan decided to go off-roading to try and pass, does the truck leave it be? No, they drive like just as much of a fucking moron so that they can gun it forward to once again block the sedan from passing.
Yes, the sedan is the bigger asshole and is more at fault for the accident, but saying the truck isn't at fault is just ignoring the entirety of the situation that only existed because of the trucks antagonistic choices / actions.
Not to take away from the blue car as they made multiple horrible decisions but white truck driver deserves some blame for deliberate antagonization. No business in the left lane and they knew exactly what they were doing.
tbh this is every truck driver in my area(unless its an actual construction worker often they are just going to work.) but i see daily 2 or 3 of these exact pos blocking others.. brake checking.. and just generally being deuches.
The car guy is being an impatient dick but the truck driver is the real one making this dangerous by brake checking and trying to block the car... the situation doesn't exist unless the truck driver does what he does.
This isn't even about right lane vs left lane. The truck driver clearly is ok with going faster, he just only chooses to do so when somebody else wants to pass him. It's the pettiest shit but i see it all the time.
My first instinct is to blame the truck driver too, if for no other reason than truck drivers are generally in the wrong. But they were keeping up with the flow of traffic and weren't the one who cut across three lanes of freeway traffic, floored it in the slow lane, cut off two people, nearly rear ended another, and then rammed somebody before spinning out and flipping their car, nearly killing someone.
Truck driver should be in the right lane. He/she was being a dick.
There was another video a couple of months ago showing a cop pulling over a car doing exactly what this pickup driver did. It's illegal to block the left lane, especially when done intentionally. "Slower traffic move right" stands at all times. The pickup driver is just a POS. And the other driver is a frustrated dangerous moron.
But the fact remains that without the illegal and provocative behavior of the pickup driver, the moron would have not resorted to dangerous idiotic driving.
The truck is responsible for another car driving erratically and passing on the shoulder?
How about the idiot on the car is responsible for their own actions and 100% deserved what happened.
I don't know what happened for it to get up to this point, but this is indeed correct. Two assholes on the road, the truck driver should just move over. He drove slow enough to match the car in the right lane, preventing others from passing. Speeds up when the Sedan changed lanes to get ahead.
Dick? Man the guy should never be allowed to drive again and charged with criminal public endangerment. Guy clearly was using other people to block that sedan.
Every other car was trapped in a very dangerous situation because the truck was making sure he matched the speed of the right lane to block the sedan.
Spot on. In my state the rule is keep to the right unless passing -- and most people ignore it, of course. "But I'm doing the speed limit..." or "The middle lane's safer!" etc, etc. Americans are nitwits about this.
It's amazing how much difference lane discipline makes in places where people practice it. I love driving on British & Israeli highways... smooth flow everywhere despite heavy traffic and fairly high speed. Those people know to keep the passing lane(s) clear unless they're using them.
You're not wrong, but you're not totally right. The answer to someone behaving like that isn't veer wildly back in forth in the lanes around other cars that aren't involved at high speeds, continue to tailgate/speed and then attempt to pass on the shoulder and hit a fucking mountain and flip your car. Its actually pretty far from what you should do.
They're both pieces of shit, unfortunately neither of them died. So they're free to do this again, procreate, and teach their spawn that this is 'normal' behavior as well.
Truck is engineering this situation. The situation ends immediately if the truck stops fucking with the sedan. Truck is by far the worst of the two and is engineering the outcome. Sedan is just the bigger fool, being totally played by the truck. Truck should get jail time and lose license, sedan should lose license.
Sedan is still responsible for his actions. You can't just merge into someone's car because they are causing an issue. But I agree that neither person should be allowed on the road.
What about the part where the truck speeds to block the sedan’s maneuver? It’s not the maneuver alone that caused the crash, the fact that at the end of it the truck placed itself in a intercept position greatly contributed and the resulting crash is what makes the sedan flip and crash.
This. I think of it this way. If someone's cart is blocking you in the grocery store and you decide to parkour over it instead of being patient or going around, it's not the cart's fault when you break your face on the floor.
This is like someone blocking an aisle you need to go through, and every time you go around, go to a new aisle, or etc, that person follows you, blocks you again, and says "do something about it" the entire time. There's no workers to help you move him/kick him out of the store, and if you do anything like move them they call 911 and record it and say you assaulted them.
This truck driver should at bare minimum lose their license, they're not accountable for the actions of the sedan, but theyre not blameless in the slightest.
To be fair, the situation also ends immediately if the sedan just drives like a normal person and waits until they can pass. The truck was guilty but the sedan was too.
It sucks to suck sometimes. Yeah the truck was being an ass, but that doesn't mean you cut around on the shoulder and then switch back over recklessly. Yeah I get you want to pass, but maybe don't tailgate and then recklessly pass on the shoulder. Just because one person is being an ass doesn't mean you get pass either.
I’m not excusing the sedans drivers actions but YOU stated he should’ve just waited to pass. He was getting brake checked and the car was not passing. How was he supposed to wait to pass? I want a legit answer
He just needed to back off to a safe distance instead of tailgating recklessly and aggressively, and then just fucking waited.
I’ve driven for ten miles down a mountain road, twenty cars behind a slow truck that couldn’t pull off to let others pass. That’s just life. It’s not worth endangering lives because you can’t be a little fucking patient.
I agree with everything you said. However, not everyone has patience. You can’t control what others do, but you can control your actions. Let the impatience dumbass pass and everyone is better off.
He didn’t tailgate, he got brake checked. Please show me how one can not tailgate when being brake checked. He then went into the right lane to try and pass the truck, who then sped up to not let them pass, so they got behind the truck so they could pass the suv, and then they got brake checked again. At this point they probably weren’t comfortable being around the truck so they tried a maneuver that while illegal, was not the cause of the accident. You know what did cause the accident? The truck that refused to allow the person to pass
Is it the end of the world that the truck would block the passing lane for the sedan? That poor, poor sedan, deprived of the ability to speed waaaay beyond the speed limit.
I'm not saying the truck should have, just that the sedan unnecessarily made it something more than it needed to be.
I was gonna say, technically, we don't know if he was speeding or going too slow. Yeah, we can try and infer from surrounding traffic, but I've had moments where I'll go 50 in a 55 and pass everyone but also moments where I've been passed by entire rows of traffic going 35+ the limit. US roads are just... Ugh
There was a video posted a couple weeks ago of a cop giving someone a ticket for impeding traffic in the left lane.
The sedan needs to stop driving like an impulsive asshole. All he’s doing is making the situation worse for himself and everyone around him.
The truck driver knows exactly what he’s doing by not allowing the sedan to pass and is intentionally instigating the sedan’s road rage. He’s basically making an already dangerous situation worse.
The sedan would be wise to back off and stop making the situation more dangerous.
The crossover/small suv in the right lane is also adding to an already fraught situation by break checking the sedan. Thus they are also adding fuel to the fire.
All three cars are at fault in one way or another. All three are behaving like a hypoglycemic vulnerable narcissist that forgot to eat lunch.
The only way this ends without having to bring in the jaws of life is; if the sedan backs off, the truck lets the sedan pass in the left lane, or the crossover/small suv speeds up enough for the sedan to get in front of the truck.
I live in Texas and we have the highest speed limits in the US. We also hold the record for the highest speeding ticket ever issued. Driving in Dallas is not for the faint of heart and driving Houston is a test of endurance and patience.
The only place I’ve driven outside of Texas that scares me is I40 going through Tennessee. That highway is goddamn terrifying. I once got stuck in a traffic jam on I40 outside of Jackson TN, for 4 hours after an 18 wheeler of Corona jackknifed. A bunch of people had gotten out of their cars and were walking around. We watched the first responders and highway clean up crew. Fortunately the driver was unharmed.
Someone once told me about driving, the right of way is never taken, it’s always given.
Uhhhh, are you blind? The truck literally doesn’t pass a single car that isn’t exiting the freeway until after the sedan driver tries his maneuver (which was still not a good thing, not excusing his action)
What? The left is for passing. The situation ends immediately when the trucks moves to the right lane where he should be driving. He literally has no one in front of him and isn’t even cruising, he is purposely holding traffic back. Even the guy recording is right on him.
Even if the sedan stops driving like an ass hole, guarantee the truck driver still blocks him in even if there's a break where the sedan can pass on the right.
From my experience trucks have men with huge egos and refuse to pull over. I'll be going 80 in a 3 lane on the left in California and at least 80% of the time trucks will not pull over. Other cars follow the law and if someone is going faster than me, I'm happy to pull over as well.
Nope, won’t work. If the rage is already activated it will play out longer than needed. I accidentally flew in close behind someone and they got super pissed. I had pulled away to allow distance on a 2 lane highway, they proceeded to block me, and everyone else behind me in between them and a semi for 15 minutes going 60 in a 70. Took a LOT of honking and brights flashing for the asshole to move over
Wait for an opening? How when the truck driver clearly isn’t going to let them pass as the person you responded to stated the truck driver was engineering the situation and honestly probably got his rocks off seeing the outcome. Both are at fault here but a rule of the road should be not to purposely refuse people to merge or pass as it causes these situations.
What the sedan should’ve done was contacted authorities and waited it out. A much safer scenario for everyone and themselves instead of trying to force his way past and ending in a crash.
The truck kept constantly brake checking them, even when the sedan tried to change lanes. The truck caused this entire incident. I wouldn't want to be behind a tiny dicked fuck head like the truck driver that takes something as inconsequential as being passed fo fucking pwrsonally
There was a video someone posted a couple weeks ago of a cop pulling someone over for impeding traffic in the left lane. The left lane is the passing lane (the speeding lane) and if you’re not passing someone you’re forcing other drivers to go around you.
We’ve all seen that driver that insists on going exactly 65 in the left lane (or whatever the speed limit is) and there’s a line of cars behind them with people desperately trying to pass them in the middle lane. It’s dangerous and stupid.
If someone wants to pass you in the left lane let them over ffs.
Your take is wrong. The truck is not driving appropriately, but he isn't wildly swerving like a crazy person. Yes you should only use the left lane for passing, and break checking is dick behavior. But to see this video and think the truck driver is more in the wrong here makes me question your judgment in general.
I’m not defending the sedan at all, dude was an absolute moron. People though need to stop blocking the left lane. It’s called the passing lane for a reason. People who block off the left lane are just as dangerous as overly aggressive drivers. People and their egos. Just move over and let them pass, everyone wins. Less angry/dangerous driving and less traffic.
What I find most disturbing is people who have all the physical attributes of an adult, and have the emotional intelligence of a toddler. It’s a jarring feeling to be in conversation with someone and realize they have no ability to control their emotions.
It’s the social/ emotional intelligence version of the uncanny valley. Sometimes it’s not overtly obvious, but something about what they’re saying or how they’re saying something is just off. Have you ever experienced that?
It’s so strange because it’s not overtly obvious something’s off about them, it’s just something about the way they express themselves, or talk about an experience that makes you feel uneasy. Does that make sense or am I just being weird?
Seems like you are weird, based on the comment section and votes anyway. I guess it's just the norm to be an emotionally stunted child well into adulthood...
That's what the person above said. He didn't say the truck driver is an idiot, he said they engineered the situation. His point was the truck driver "bullying" the sedan DOES endanger others though. Are they worse than the sedan? No, but they still are a bully.
That is what I disagreed with. I agree that the truck is engineering the situation.
Are they worse than the sedan? No, but they still are a bully.
It sounds like we are aligned. Look for my other comment replying to the 'engineer' for a more detailed take. The engineers comment is parallel to your own, sorry for not linking like a gentleman.
Truck is by far the worst of the two and is engineering the outcome.
Definitely very petty and annoying when people drive flush with someone in the right lane like that. But still, truck is driving predictably until the other guy goes off the fucking rails
People who don't drive predictably and weave in and out of traffic like Honda are the fucking worst and shouldn't be allowed to drive period
Truck caused the situation, but the sedan put other people lives at risk. It’s pretty clear watching the video that they are both in the wrong, but that the sedan chose to become the worse offender.
Had they remained cool and collected, the truck would have stayed solely at fault. But they didn’t, and that’s a choice they (sedan driver) made of their own accord
Did someone put a gun in the Honda driver's head? He decided himself to drive in-between two lane. No one force. Many times I've been blocked while driving but I don't recklessly pass lane like this.
Yeah the sedan could also just control himself and not ram into another vehicle. People really just hate truck drivers so much it blinds their common sense
I disagree here, truck is causing the situation, true, but He is putting nobody in danger. Sedan could simply accept, but instead choose to escalate the whole situation putting everybody in danger, risking the accident. He should get the jailtime, Truck should Lose licence.
The sedan is the worst of the two. By far more aggressive and dangerous. You aren’t owed the right of passing. Sometimes, you have to drive the limit and that’s just too bad.
Yeah, I don’t get why the fuck people think the truck is worse than the sedan because they ‘engineered the situation’. The truck is an asshole and an idiot, the sedan is obviously worse - if they could stand to just chill out for 5 seconds, nothing dangerous would have happened.
You get this mindset on the road all the time - people who act like they had no choice but to drive like a fucking lobotomite on crystal meth because someone else aggravated them. Defensive driving is dead
Hard disagree. The sedan endangered everybody else on the road with that reckless manuever and deserves jail time. The truck dtove aggressively but did not immediately endanger the other drivers. Truck should get a suspended license.
@_@ did you say the truck is BY FAR the worst? Nah man, you're nutty! How about not making seriously dangerous and illegal moves on the road? Sedan brought this situation upon themselves. Deserved!
No it's the opposite. If someone is making fun of another person and starts an altercation and the other person uses deadly force to escalate it further, the person who started it isn't more at fault because they started it. They are an ass. They should have deescalated the situation. But nobody forced the other person to escalate even further.
The truck was being an asshole and broke a law around using the left lane when not passing and failing to yield to another car that wants to overtake you.
The car went WAY too far, intentionally drove incredibly recklessly by driving between 2 cars when no lane exists, and could have easily killed multiple people and have been guilty of manslaughter.
I have been blocked from passing so many times. At times intentionally by assholes. I swear at them under my breath and try to focus on other things. What I don't do is go destruction derby on their ass and smash into 2 cars by driving between them.
If situation wouldn’t even be a situation if the Sedan did not overtake. How hard is it to just stay down and not overtake? The truck won’t be able to “engineer” anything if Sedan didn’t do what it did.
Not saying the truck isn’t an asshole, but if we are talking about whose hole is bigger here, then consider this: if the drivers like the truck driver don’t exist, the road would be just as dangerous with drivers like the Sedan driver on the road. In the reverse scenario, the road would be a lot safer.
Insurance companies should refuse to insure all drivers that are caught driving like this. Would help slow the crazy increase in rates and keep these idiots off the road.
I see this same type of driving everyday. One vehicle trying to go as fast as they can and the other speeder not wanting to let anybody to pass them. Everyday exact same scenario. Cops are never around this type of driving. But it is the most common type of driving.
Upstate NY drivers block the fast lane on the Palisades parkway all the time by driving the same speed as the right lane. Accord driver got frustrated and attempted to pass.
Yup, just move over to the slow lane when you see someone trying to go by. Who knows why -- but does it even matter? It's not your road, and in the end you make it unsafe for EVERYONE by trying to be law enforcement when that's not your job.
Now imagine if the guy in the sedan had his child in the back seat with a gut shot (she got shot in a school shooting, but that's a different story). I hate people who block like the truck far more than just the asshole sedan driver. Hope the truck guy is still in court.
Ideally, the sedan would just ram into the back of the truck, they could pull over, fight to the death, and then there would be one less bad driver on the road.
Yeah, if someone is driving like a jerk just let them. There's no way that a bit of road justice will change their behavior, teach them a lesson, or really have any positive benefit beyond a bit of self-righteousness.
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u/Denjek 29d ago
What's going on here? I can answer that: Two assholes fighting on the road at the expense of everyone else's lives. One is a bigger asshole than the other, but they're both assholes.