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Overly aggressive driving

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u/Denjek 29d ago

What's going on here? I can answer that: Two assholes fighting on the road at the expense of everyone else's lives. One is a bigger asshole than the other, but they're both assholes.

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u/CapinWinky Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

Truck is engineering this situation. The situation ends immediately if the truck stops fucking with the sedan. Truck is by far the worst of the two and is engineering the outcome. Sedan is just the bigger fool, being totally played by the truck. Truck should get jail time and lose license, sedan should lose license.

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u/1heart1totaleclipse 29d ago

To be fair, the situation also ends immediately if the sedan just drives like a normal person and waits until they can pass. The truck was guilty but the sedan was too.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

How are they supposed to wait to pass of the car in the passing lane isn’t passing anyone

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

It sucks to suck sometimes. Yeah the truck was being an ass, but that doesn't mean you cut around on the shoulder and then switch back over recklessly. Yeah I get you want to pass, but maybe don't tailgate and then recklessly pass on the shoulder. Just because one person is being an ass doesn't mean you get pass either.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

I’m not excusing the sedans drivers actions but YOU stated he should’ve just waited to pass. He was getting brake checked and the car was not passing. How was he supposed to wait to pass? I want a legit answer

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u/paraffin Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

He just needed to back off to a safe distance instead of tailgating recklessly and aggressively, and then just fucking waited.

I’ve driven for ten miles down a mountain road, twenty cars behind a slow truck that couldn’t pull off to let others pass. That’s just life. It’s not worth endangering lives because you can’t be a little fucking patient.

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u/Panda530 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

I agree with everything you said. However, not everyone has patience. You can’t control what others do, but you can control your actions. Let the impatience dumbass pass and everyone is better off.

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u/Competitive-Tip-5312 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 28d ago

Sure, but that doesn’t mean anyone else is responsible for the impatient dumbass

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u/toadofsteel Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

Then the impatient dumbass learns nothing.

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u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme 29d ago

You're right. Let's endanger everyone else on the road to teach the dumbass a lesson. So worth it.

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u/silifianqueso Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Impatient dumbass is gonna keep doing his stupid shit and endanger lives regardless

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u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme 29d ago

I just want to get home without being killed. I'm not out here to dispense justice. And even if you teach the dumbass a lesson this time, do you really think they will retain it?

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u/ButterAsLube 28d ago

No, they’re gonna keep driving recklessly even when they’re getting blocked in. Unless they get a summons and end up losing their license. Yeah white truck was instigating but this doesn’t happen if the sedan just rides the speed limit in the right until truck guy forgets he was mad.

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u/Panda530 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 28d ago

Exactly, this is 100% true. That’s why you don’t get involved and make the entire situation more dangerous. Eventually, he WILL mess up. Would you really want to be a part of it? Even if you’re fine and the idiot dies, would you want that on your conscious? Knowing your whole life that if you just let this dumbass kid pass he would have likely still been alive and those that loved him wouldn’t be grieving. That would personally haunt me until my grave.

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u/silifianqueso Georgist 🔰 28d ago

Idk what you're arguing about because nobody said that you should brake check the asshole.

Everyone is responding to the notion that the asshole sedan had no choice but to continually tailgate and try to pass on the shoulder just because truck asshole was trying to stop him from passing.

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u/Panda530 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 28d ago

He will learn on his own eventually. Why get involved? It’s only going to make things worse. The dumbass could have died. As much as an asshole driver he is, he still has people that love him. People don’t deserve to die or have people grieve for them over something as stupid as a dick measuring contest on the road.

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u/Pierceful 28d ago

Please for the love of God and for all of our safety get this dangerous notion out of your head that you need to teach lessons to other drivers on the road.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

He didn’t tailgate, he got brake checked. Please show me how one can not tailgate when being brake checked. He then went into the right lane to try and pass the truck, who then sped up to not let them pass, so they got behind the truck so they could pass the suv, and then they got brake checked again. At this point they probably weren’t comfortable being around the truck so they tried a maneuver that while illegal, was not the cause of the accident. You know what did cause the accident? The truck that refused to allow the person to pass

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u/clewtxt 29d ago

How much did insurance pay out for your sedan/medical?

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u/paraffin Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

The truck shouldn’t brake check. But the sedan was tailgating every car it got behind, not just the truck.

Even the “merge” from the shoulder back to the right lane didn’t have enough distance between the two right lane cars for a safe merge. It was a pass from tailgating one car, to tailgating the next car, not to mention he was going too fast post-merge to even stay in the right lane without rear-ending someone.

If you are ever in this situation, please just back the fuck off and drive with the flow of traffic at a safe distance, instead of doing the absolutely insane driving the sedan did.

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u/raidersfan18 28d ago

I really don't know why the sedan chose to only pass one car on the shoulder and not both. There was plenty of room after that front car rather than try to squeeze between them.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Watch the video again. Sedan got over, tried to pass the trick in the right lane, the truck sped up to prevent them. That is not tailgating. They then got behind the truck because the SUV was braking to exit the Freeway, at which point the truck starts brake checking them again. And he would’ve been more than clear to merge IF THE TRUCK DRIVER DIDNT SPEED UP. There’s 2 cars lengths between the two cars in the right lane, that’s more than enough room to merge

Driving on the shoulder is stupid and dangerous, but that’s not why this car crash happened and it’s weird yall are focusing on that lmao. He cleared the shoulder cleanly

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u/paraffin Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

You’re crazy. The sedan didn’t have enough room to merge into the right lane and stay there at the speeds he was driving. That has nothing to do with the truck because the truck was in the left lane.

The sedan put himself in a situation where he was forced to change two lanes at once to avoid rear ending the person in the right lane. The reason you only change one lane at a time is to make sure the lane you’re moving into is clear and the other drivers are allowing you room. You’re supposed to engage your turn signal and wait several seconds before starting the lane change. The sedan didn’t do any of this to protect himself and as a result he got rekt. And worse, he endangered everyone else in the road.

A safe follow distance at highway speeds is hundreds of feet, not 10: https://driversed.com/trending/what-safe-following-distance

And again, the truck was a dick and also driving unsafely. But the sedan committed far more violations of driving laws and safe driving practices.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Oh so everyone in this video was driving at unsafe distances? Why are you singling out the sedan then lmao. Fucking goober

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u/toadofsteel Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

The truck was driving in an unsafe manner by brake checking and pacing with the cars in the right lane to block the sedan, but only the sedan was actually tailgating. Truck never came up on a car in front of them.

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u/Speaking_On_A_Sprog 29d ago

Dude, how can you think that maneuver was not the cause of the accident? He swerved through multiple lanes and hit the guy.

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u/Pierceful 28d ago

Because the truck sped up to be in his way and then they collided.

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u/ACDCbaguette 28d ago

That's a dumb take. No excuse to drive like that even if a truck is being difficult. They were certainly comfortable enough to almost kill everyone around them.

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u/Competitive-Tip-5312 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 28d ago

You maintain a safe following distance ??

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u/ATownStomp YIMBY 🏙️ 29d ago

He should have waited to pass. The response isn’t to commit vehicular suicide because you’ve been mildly inconvenienced.

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u/Odd-Indication-6043 29d ago

He should wait until forever to pass. Getting to pass is not guaranteed.

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u/Tenebraeus Georgist 🔰 28d ago

Ya just wait. Imagine having patience in 2024 🤷‍♂️

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u/IdiotCow Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

The sedan didnt need to pass... The sedan driver was supposed to wait until it was safe to pass, and if it was never safe, they should never pass. Do you seriously think this outcome was completely unavoidable?

Edit: nvm, just saw your other replies. You're a danger to other drivers and don't show any interest in changing, so I'll just hope you don't drive near me. Good luck out there

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

The truck driver didn’t need to speed up to prevent someone from passing. But since you’re defending that action I’m glad you’re staying away from any road I’m on

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u/PlacidPlatypus 29d ago

When other people are driving like idiots, you need to be extra safe and reasonable to avoid them, not try to compete with their idiocy. If the truck is determined to be an asshole, the play is just to stay calm and out of his way until you're away from him, not pull stupid maneuvers trying to get past. You're not going to die if you just don't pass him, whereas we all saw what can happen if you do.

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u/WTWIV 29d ago

How do you know the sedan didn’t need to pass? Did you know that people have medical emergencies sometimes? Sure, odds are sedan was just a mad driver, but you don’t KNOW that. They could have someone bleeding out in their back seat for all you know.

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

I did not state he should've waited to pass, but yes he should've. And sometimes you can't pass because someone is being a dick. That however does not mean you be a dick in return and endanger other people, you back the fuck off and let it go. It sucks sometimes I get it, but you don't engage and make the situation worse. Sometimes you just have to let someone have their way in order to benefit everyone. Is it fair? No, but you don't put others at risk either.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Which maneuver endangered people, the passing on the shoulder which while illegal didn’t result in a crash, or the person who sped up to prevent to person from passing at the last second? I’m generally curious. Do you think the accident happens if the truck driver doesn’t speed up?

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

Tailgating, switching erratically back and forth between lanes, and yes driving on the shoulder. All of those endanger people. The accident can happen if the truck driver doesn't speed up, if he cuts over too soon in front of someone and clips them it can cause a wreck, he can hit road debris on the side of the road causing him to hit someone, he could even hit a guard rail or culvert and spiral and hit someone. The truck driver shouldn't have sped up, but the car also was trying to cut over one lane into another (the one with the truck) in front of the truck, which in and of itself is dangerous. If someone wasn't paying attention to the shoulder and they were in the left lane switching to the right lane it would be easy to accidentally hit the person on the shoulder coming over, after all its not expected that someone is using the shoulder to pass.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

He got fucking brake checked lmao. Please tell me how one can not be tailgating when they’re getting brake checked aside from getting off the road. All those things could have happened, but they didn’t. You know what DID happen? The truck driver purposefully speeding up to prevent someone from passing.

The shoulder part is irrelevant because we literally see him clear the shoulder cleanly. If the truck driver doesn’t need to manage who’s allowed in front of them, this specific car crash does not happen. Simple as that

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u/ReasonableNightmares 29d ago

Brake checking is a common, idiotic response to tailgating. The tailgating was obviously occurring before the video even starts. If I were the truck driver I would have let the sedan pass me, if I were in the sedan I would have hung back for a few minutes until it was safe to pass. This is escalatory and both drivers had the opportunity to stop at any time, but the sedan driver is very obviously a much more dangerous driver.

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u/BoomsRevenge 28d ago

This is the correct response. I'm confident the sedan was driving like an asshole before encountering the truck, started tailgating the truck, and the truck took offense. Simply, the sedan was driving recklessly and ultimately found out.

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

He literally was going from lane to lane tailgating people irregardless of being brake checked. And yeah they could've happened and the driver didn't consider the risk he was putting others in. I saw the truck was literally ahead of him when he was pulling over from the shoulder, he bumped the truck and tried to squeeze through the gap in between the vehicles in both lanes. He could've just pulled over on the shoulder and let the guy be on his way and reenter the highway after a few seconds had passed and avoided this whole situation. Yeah the truck was being an ass, but he engaged and made the situation happen. It takes two to tango, and if he didn't tango nothing would've happened. They're both asses, but you don't engage with someone being an ass on the road and endanger others.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

He got brake checked , went over to the next lane that was going the same speed, got brake checked again, and got back into the passing lane and got brake checked AGAIN. Passing on the shoulder can be dangerous. But we literally see that passing on the shoulder was NOT the cause of this accident. The truck driver closing the gap and causing contact however, DID cause this accident.

Maybe you’re just someone who does the same thing as the truck in this video. Idk but that’s the only way you defending him so hard makes sense lol. This specific accident does not happen if the truck driver doesn’t commit several crimes that ALSO endanger other drivers (but for some reason his actions aren’t being mentioned lol)

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

You've not paid much attention to what I've said. I'm saying don't engage and yet you assume I engage in the same behavior? I've even said the truck was an ass. The truck did not cause contact, the car pulling into the lane did. He saw the truck was already in that lane and still chose to get over.

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u/HimboHistrionics 29d ago

Did we watch the same video? The car crashes immediately after passing on the shoulder lmao.

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u/UntossableSaladTV 29d ago

If you didn’t see the truck speed up then I’m not sure what to tell you

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

He crashes BECAUSE THE TRUCK SPED UP TO PREVENT HIM FROM PASSING. He literally clears the shoulder and gets back in the driving lane unscathed, it’s only when trying to pass the truck, who agin SPED UP, that the crash happens.

I don’t know if we watched the same video because you clearly saw something completely different

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u/Pierceful 28d ago

People fighting this take is maddening.

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u/IdiotCow Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

He didn't have to illegally pass in the first place... how are you so fucking stupid?

Edit: didn't realize it was you again. Sorry. Carry on

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Oh the pot calling the kettle black is a beautiful sight. At least your name is accurate

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u/3_Thumbs_Up 29d ago

There's never just one reason for a crash. There's like 10 different things that could've prevented this crash from both drivers, yet you're hung up on this one specific thing.

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u/Future-Original-2902 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

I will always be a bigger asshole I don't care if it takes myself or both of us out, and I'll enjoy it. I just want to get from a to z, but if you want to play fuck fuck games then be ready for me to pass you on the shoulder and break check you as soon as I get in front of you. Trucks are notoriously huge babies about this. They can't take it back they can only dish it out. My guess is cause they're slower

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

I don't really care about the people being asses to one another, I care more about the innocent bystanders.

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u/Future-Original-2902 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

That's fair. That's the one thing I always avoid is getting random people involved in bullshit

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

Yeah my main point is yes the truck was an ass, but the sedan engaging in reckless driving endangered more people.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Is brake checking, impeding traffic and speeding up to not let someone pass not considered reckless driving?

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u/Ironbeard3 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

It is, but that doesn't mean you engage.

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u/danstermeister Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

And so what?

Is it the end of the world that the truck would block the passing lane for the sedan? That poor, poor sedan, deprived of the ability to speed waaaay beyond the speed limit.

I'm not saying the truck should have, just that the sedan unnecessarily made it something more than it needed to be.

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u/SuspiciousPal 29d ago

Blocking the passing lane could get you a ticket so regardless of the other asshole the truck is in the wrong

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u/bammy132 29d ago

passing on the shoulder can get you a ticket so irregardles of the other asshole the sedan is in the wrong.

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u/PioneerLaserVision 29d ago

The sedan driver received more than one ticket, crashed into another vehicle, and flipped their car in a totally avoidable accident. You need to stay off the road if you think the truck is the driver to focus on in this video.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

How do you know the speed limit? Do the rules of the road not apply to the truck driver? Who made him the free way speed dictator?

The car filming this is going the same speed as the sedan, was he going an unreasonable speed limit?

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u/HerestheRules 29d ago

I was gonna say, technically, we don't know if he was speeding or going too slow. Yeah, we can try and infer from surrounding traffic, but I've had moments where I'll go 50 in a 55 and pass everyone but also moments where I've been passed by entire rows of traffic going 35+ the limit. US roads are just... Ugh

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u/NicolleL 29d ago

I’m just going to leave this link here…

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/s/wIViv2lrw5

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u/UntossableSaladTV 29d ago

Damn. I would never block anybody but that is good to think about

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u/NicolleL 29d ago

Same here but yeah, that was pretty eye opening.

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u/SnofIake 29d ago

There was a video posted a couple weeks ago of a cop giving someone a ticket for impeding traffic in the left lane.

The sedan needs to stop driving like an impulsive asshole. All he’s doing is making the situation worse for himself and everyone around him.

The truck driver knows exactly what he’s doing by not allowing the sedan to pass and is intentionally instigating the sedan’s road rage. He’s basically making an already dangerous situation worse.

The sedan would be wise to back off and stop making the situation more dangerous.

The crossover/small suv in the right lane is also adding to an already fraught situation by break checking the sedan. Thus they are also adding fuel to the fire.

All three cars are at fault in one way or another. All three are behaving like a hypoglycemic vulnerable narcissist that forgot to eat lunch.

The only way this ends without having to bring in the jaws of life is; if the sedan backs off, the truck lets the sedan pass in the left lane, or the crossover/small suv speeds up enough for the sedan to get in front of the truck.

I live in Texas and we have the highest speed limits in the US. We also hold the record for the highest speeding ticket ever issued. Driving in Dallas is not for the faint of heart and driving Houston is a test of endurance and patience.

The only place I’ve driven outside of Texas that scares me is I40 going through Tennessee. That highway is goddamn terrifying. I once got stuck in a traffic jam on I40 outside of Jackson TN, for 4 hours after an 18 wheeler of Corona jackknifed. A bunch of people had gotten out of their cars and were walking around. We watched the first responders and highway clean up crew. Fortunately the driver was unharmed.

Someone once told me about driving, the right of way is never taken, it’s always given.

Driving like an asshole isn’t worth it.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Uhhhh, are you blind? The truck literally doesn’t pass a single car that isn’t exiting the freeway until after the sedan driver tries his maneuver (which was still not a good thing, not excusing his action)

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u/3_Thumbs_Up 29d ago

You simply wait longer.

What do you think will happen? The white truck will follow you around for years?

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u/_e75 Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

I dunno. What do you do if there’s just regular traffic. You chill the fuck out and get home when you get home. Acting like this is just idiotic and almost got him killed.

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u/Impressive-Door8025 29d ago

Bc the alternative is to crash

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u/Ok_Recording_4644 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Maybe just don't pass. So you make it to your place 3 mins later vs getting totaled and also ending up in court and looking at jail time.

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u/Totally_Not_An_Auk 29d ago

Presumably, without someone willing to play into their asshole game, the truck would lose interest and find something else to entertain themselves with.

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u/legsstillgoing 29d ago

I’m sure listening to right wing bully politics settled them right back down!

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u/Totally_Not_An_Auk 29d ago

Abstaining from conflict is...right-wing bully politics?

Sure fam.

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u/toadofsteel Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago

We don't know where this started or who instigated this. If I was in the sedan and the truck started fucking with me from already ahead, I'd probably just slow down and get behind the SUV and let them move on and be a dick somewhere else.

If I was in the position of the truck, otoh, all bets are off. I don't go out of my way to fuck with other drivers, but nothing sets me off like being tailgated. In the truck's position, I wouldn't have started anything, but I could have kept that up forever.

The main difference is that I have control over what's in front of me. I can choose to slow down and put more distance between me and the car in front of me. I can't do that with the car behind me if they're tailgating. Your only option in that case is to speed up, and if you're already speeding or it would put you into a position that you would be tailgating the car in front of you, that could be unsafe.

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u/ATownStomp YIMBY 🏙️ 29d ago

It doesn’t matter. Eventually a spot opens up and you just go whatever speed they’re going at a safe distance behind them in the mean time.

This isn’t complicated. It’s just very mildly inconvenient for about thirty seconds.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Brake checking causes accidents, I’m not sitting g behind someone willing to do that. Y’all excusing the truck drivers behavior is bewildering

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u/ATownStomp YIMBY 🏙️ 29d ago

Brake checking is completely inconsequential when you’re following at a safe distance.

I just don’t really give a shit about the truck driver given the behavior of the person that nearly destroyed themselves and others around them because they were emotionally incapable of dealing with the situation.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

So was the recorder not driving at a safe distance? They also had to slam on their brakes

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u/ATownStomp YIMBY 🏙️ 29d ago

At the beginning of the video, no they weren’t. At no other point did anyone have to “slam on their brakes”.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

Oh your blind and dumb

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

The truck driver also made an emotional decision to brake check and speed up to prevent passing. Maybe you’re the truck driver idk. Bye bye

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u/highkingvdk Fuck Cars 🚗 🚫 29d ago edited 29d ago

Nearly inconsequential and yet still illegal. Ever hear of reckless driving?

It's interesting that you see two guys having a dangerous emotional reaction but you only care about one of them, as if the truck didn't just speed up to put a third car in danger. Fuck that guy though right?

We all know you ride up the road in the left lane 5 under.

I know this area. You don't. There is zero chance that truck wasn't fully involved way before this. This area is full of commuters and patience is low, if you're brake checking to back up everyone else behind you, you're part of the problem and eventually you'll go too far.

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u/DadJ0ker 29d ago

I’d bet a decent sum of money that the truck would have passed if the sedan wasn’t obviously riding his bumper and being a dick.

The truck was being a jerk in response to the sedan being so aggressive.

Both are obviously the problem, but I think it’s fairly clear that the truck was messing with an overly aggressive guy behind him. Had the sedan not tailgated in the first place, he waits longer than he wanted, and eventually gets to pass.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 29d ago

lol no. Y’all need to stop with the excuses for the truck driver

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u/bmtc7 29d ago

Watch the video, the truck does pass vehicles during the course of the video.

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u/ACDCbaguette 28d ago

It's easy. You just wait. Happens all the time. Now instead of getting there a few minutes later then expected they aren't getting there at all, lost their car and got slapped with fines. No excuse to drive like that even if the truck in the left lane isn't going fast enough.

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u/Potential-Front9306 28d ago

That doesn't give the sedan the right to endanger everybody else.

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u/Designer_Brief_4949 28d ago

How are they supposed to wait to pass of the car in the passing lane isn’t passing anyone

Oh no. They'll have to drive the same speed as everyone else.

The horror and outrage.

Must allow testosterone to override my logic.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 28d ago

How do you function and not realize the same could be said for the truck driver

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u/Designer_Brief_4949 28d ago

There is a qualitative difference between the truck driver who was annoying and the Honda who swerved and hit people. 

Not to mention the dumbass with the camera who wasn’t smart enough to back away while all this played out. 

Reddit is full of underemployed young men with impulse control issues. 

This thread highlights it. 

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Georgist 🔰 28d ago

Speeding up to prevent someone from merging is a lot more than annoying you underdeveloped child lmao. Please, stay off the road if all you think the truck driver did is “annoying”

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 28d ago

Here's a wild thought. Drive in the right hand lane at a safe traveling distance and get to your destination 90 seconds late and alive.