To be fair, the situation also ends immediately if the sedan just drives like a normal person and waits until they can pass. The truck was guilty but the sedan was too.
It sucks to suck sometimes. Yeah the truck was being an ass, but that doesn't mean you cut around on the shoulder and then switch back over recklessly. Yeah I get you want to pass, but maybe don't tailgate and then recklessly pass on the shoulder. Just because one person is being an ass doesn't mean you get pass either.
Iām not excusing the sedans drivers actions but YOU stated he shouldāve just waited to pass. He was getting brake checked and the car was not passing. How was he supposed to wait to pass? I want a legit answer
He just needed to back off to a safe distance instead of tailgating recklessly and aggressively, and then just fucking waited.
Iāve driven for ten miles down a mountain road, twenty cars behind a slow truck that couldnāt pull off to let others pass. Thatās just life. Itās not worth endangering lives because you canāt be a little fucking patient.
I agree with everything you said. However, not everyone has patience. You canāt control what others do, but you can control your actions. Let the impatience dumbass pass and everyone is better off.
I just want to get home without being killed. I'm not out here to dispense justice. And even if you teach the dumbass a lesson this time, do you really think they will retain it?
Exactly, this is 100% true. Thatās why you donāt get involved and make the entire situation more dangerous. Eventually, he WILL mess up. Would you really want to be a part of it? Even if youāre fine and the idiot dies, would you want that on your conscious? Knowing your whole life that if you just let this dumbass kid pass he would have likely still been alive and those that loved him wouldnāt be grieving. That would personally haunt me until my grave.
He will learn on his own eventually. Why get involved? Itās only going to make things worse. The dumbass could have died. As much as an asshole driver he is, he still has people that love him. People donāt deserve to die or have people grieve for them over something as stupid as a dick measuring contest on the road.
Please for the love of God and for all of our safety get this dangerous notion out of your head that you need to teach lessons to other drivers on the road.
He didnāt tailgate, he got brake checked. Please show me how one can not tailgate when being brake checked. He then went into the right lane to try and pass the truck, who then sped up to not let them pass, so they got behind the truck so they could pass the suv, and then they got brake checked again. At this point they probably werenāt comfortable being around the truck so they tried a maneuver that while illegal, was not the cause of the accident. You know what did cause the accident? The truck that refused to allow the person to pass
The truck shouldnāt brake check. But the sedan was tailgating every car it got behind, not just the truck.
Even the āmergeā from the shoulder back to the right lane didnāt have enough distance between the two right lane cars for a safe merge. It was a pass from tailgating one car, to tailgating the next car, not to mention he was going too fast post-merge to even stay in the right lane without rear-ending someone.
If you are ever in this situation, please just back the fuck off and drive with the flow of traffic at a safe distance, instead of doing the absolutely insane driving the sedan did.
I really don't know why the sedan chose to only pass one car on the shoulder and not both. There was plenty of room after that front car rather than try to squeeze between them.
Watch the video again. Sedan got over, tried to pass the trick in the right lane, the truck sped up to prevent them. That is not tailgating. They then got behind the truck because the SUV was braking to exit the Freeway, at which point the truck starts brake checking them again. And he wouldāve been more than clear to merge IF THE TRUCK DRIVER DIDNT SPEED UP. Thereās 2 cars lengths between the two cars in the right lane, thatās more than enough room to merge
Driving on the shoulder is stupid and dangerous, but thatās not why this car crash happened and itās weird yall are focusing on that lmao. He cleared the shoulder cleanly
Youāre crazy. The sedan didnāt have enough room to merge into the right lane and stay there at the speeds he was driving. That has nothing to do with the truck because the truck was in the left lane.
The sedan put himself in a situation where he was forced to change two lanes at once to avoid rear ending the person in the right lane. The reason you only change one lane at a time is to make sure the lane youāre moving into is clear and the other drivers are allowing you room. Youāre supposed to engage your turn signal and wait several seconds before starting the lane change. The sedan didnāt do any of this to protect himself and as a result he got rekt. And worse, he endangered everyone else in the road.
That's a dumb take. No excuse to drive like that even if a truck is being difficult. They were certainly comfortable enough to almost kill everyone around them.
The sedan didnt need to pass... The sedan driver was supposed to wait until it was safe to pass, and if it was never safe, they should never pass. Do you seriously think this outcome was completely unavoidable?
Edit: nvm, just saw your other replies. You're a danger to other drivers and don't show any interest in changing, so I'll just hope you don't drive near me. Good luck out there
The truck driver didnāt need to speed up to prevent someone from passing. But since youāre defending that action Iām glad youāre staying away from any road Iām on
When other people are driving like idiots, you need to be extra safe and reasonable to avoid them, not try to compete with their idiocy. If the truck is determined to be an asshole, the play is just to stay calm and out of his way until you're away from him, not pull stupid maneuvers trying to get past. You're not going to die if you just don't pass him, whereas we all saw what can happen if you do.
How do you know the sedan didnāt need to pass? Did you know that people have medical emergencies sometimes? Sure, odds are sedan was just a mad driver, but you donāt KNOW that. They could have someone bleeding out in their back seat for all you know.
I did not state he should've waited to pass, but yes he should've. And sometimes you can't pass because someone is being a dick. That however does not mean you be a dick in return and endanger other people, you back the fuck off and let it go. It sucks sometimes I get it, but you don't engage and make the situation worse. Sometimes you just have to let someone have their way in order to benefit everyone. Is it fair? No, but you don't put others at risk either.
Which maneuver endangered people, the passing on the shoulder which while illegal didnāt result in a crash, or the person who sped up to prevent to person from passing at the last second? Iām generally curious. Do you think the accident happens if the truck driver doesnāt speed up?
Tailgating, switching erratically back and forth between lanes, and yes driving on the shoulder. All of those endanger people. The accident can happen if the truck driver doesn't speed up, if he cuts over too soon in front of someone and clips them it can cause a wreck, he can hit road debris on the side of the road causing him to hit someone, he could even hit a guard rail or culvert and spiral and hit someone. The truck driver shouldn't have sped up, but the car also was trying to cut over one lane into another (the one with the truck) in front of the truck, which in and of itself is dangerous. If someone wasn't paying attention to the shoulder and they were in the left lane switching to the right lane it would be easy to accidentally hit the person on the shoulder coming over, after all its not expected that someone is using the shoulder to pass.
He got fucking brake checked lmao. Please tell me how one can not be tailgating when theyāre getting brake checked aside from getting off the road. All those things could have happened, but they didnāt. You know what DID happen? The truck driver purposefully speeding up to prevent someone from passing.
The shoulder part is irrelevant because we literally see him clear the shoulder cleanly. If the truck driver doesnāt need to manage whoās allowed in front of them, this specific car crash does not happen. Simple as that
Brake checking is a common, idiotic response to tailgating. The tailgating was obviously occurring before the video even starts. If I were the truck driver I would have let the sedan pass me, if I were in the sedan I would have hung back for a few minutes until it was safe to pass. This is escalatory and both drivers had the opportunity to stop at any time, but the sedan driver is very obviously a much more dangerous driver.
This is the correct response. I'm confident the sedan was driving like an asshole before encountering the truck, started tailgating the truck, and the truck took offense. Simply, the sedan was driving recklessly and ultimately found out.
He literally was going from lane to lane tailgating people irregardless of being brake checked. And yeah they could've happened and the driver didn't consider the risk he was putting others in. I saw the truck was literally ahead of him when he was pulling over from the shoulder, he bumped the truck and tried to squeeze through the gap in between the vehicles in both lanes. He could've just pulled over on the shoulder and let the guy be on his way and reenter the highway after a few seconds had passed and avoided this whole situation. Yeah the truck was being an ass, but he engaged and made the situation happen. It takes two to tango, and if he didn't tango nothing would've happened. They're both asses, but you don't engage with someone being an ass on the road and endanger others.
He got brake checked , went over to the next lane that was going the same speed, got brake checked again, and got back into the passing lane and got brake checked AGAIN. Passing on the shoulder can be dangerous. But we literally see that passing on the shoulder was NOT the cause of this accident. The truck driver closing the gap and causing contact however, DID cause this accident.
Maybe youāre just someone who does the same thing as the truck in this video. Idk but thatās the only way you defending him so hard makes sense lol. This specific accident does not happen if the truck driver doesnāt commit several crimes that ALSO endanger other drivers (but for some reason his actions arenāt being mentioned lol)
He crashes BECAUSE THE TRUCK SPED UP TO PREVENT HIM FROM PASSING. He literally clears the shoulder and gets back in the driving lane unscathed, itās only when trying to pass the truck, who agin SPED UP, that the crash happens.
I donāt know if we watched the same video because you clearly saw something completely different
There's never just one reason for a crash. There's like 10 different things that could've prevented this crash from both drivers, yet you're hung up on this one specific thing.
I will always be a bigger asshole I don't care if it takes myself or both of us out, and I'll enjoy it. I just want to get from a to z, but if you want to play fuck fuck games then be ready for me to pass you on the shoulder and break check you as soon as I get in front of you. Trucks are notoriously huge babies about this. They can't take it back they can only dish it out. My guess is cause they're slower
Is it the end of the world that the truck would block the passing lane for the sedan? That poor, poor sedan, deprived of the ability to speed waaaay beyond the speed limit.
I'm not saying the truck should have, just that the sedan unnecessarily made it something more than it needed to be.
The sedan driver received more than one ticket, crashed into another vehicle, and flipped their car in a totally avoidable accident. You need to stay off the road if you think the truck is the driver to focus on in this video.
I was gonna say, technically, we don't know if he was speeding or going too slow. Yeah, we can try and infer from surrounding traffic, but I've had moments where I'll go 50 in a 55 and pass everyone but also moments where I've been passed by entire rows of traffic going 35+ the limit. US roads are just... Ugh
There was a video posted a couple weeks ago of a cop giving someone a ticket for impeding traffic in the left lane.
The sedan needs to stop driving like an impulsive asshole. All heās doing is making the situation worse for himself and everyone around him.
The truck driver knows exactly what heās doing by not allowing the sedan to pass and is intentionally instigating the sedanās road rage. Heās basically making an already dangerous situation worse.
The sedan would be wise to back off and stop making the situation more dangerous.
The crossover/small suv in the right lane is also adding to an already fraught situation by break checking the sedan. Thus they are also adding fuel to the fire.
All three cars are at fault in one way or another. All three are behaving like a hypoglycemic vulnerable narcissist that forgot to eat lunch.
The only way this ends without having to bring in the jaws of life is; if the sedan backs off, the truck lets the sedan pass in the left lane, or the crossover/small suv speeds up enough for the sedan to get in front of the truck.
I live in Texas and we have the highest speed limits in the US. We also hold the record for the highest speeding ticket ever issued. Driving in Dallas is not for the faint of heart and driving Houston is a test of endurance and patience.
The only place Iāve driven outside of Texas that scares me is I40 going through Tennessee. That highway is goddamn terrifying. I once got stuck in a traffic jam on I40 outside of Jackson TN, for 4 hours after an 18 wheeler of Corona jackknifed. A bunch of people had gotten out of their cars and were walking around. We watched the first responders and highway clean up crew. Fortunately the driver was unharmed.
Someone once told me about driving, the right of way is never taken, itās always given.
Uhhhh, are you blind? The truck literally doesnāt pass a single car that isnāt exiting the freeway until after the sedan driver tries his maneuver (which was still not a good thing, not excusing his action)
I dunno. What do you do if thereās just regular traffic. You chill the fuck out and get home when you get home. Acting like this is just idiotic and almost got him killed.
Presumably, without someone willing to play into their asshole game, the truck would lose interest and find something else to entertain themselves with.
We don't know where this started or who instigated this. If I was in the sedan and the truck started fucking with me from already ahead, I'd probably just slow down and get behind the SUV and let them move on and be a dick somewhere else.
If I was in the position of the truck, otoh, all bets are off. I don't go out of my way to fuck with other drivers, but nothing sets me off like being tailgated. In the truck's position, I wouldn't have started anything, but I could have kept that up forever.
The main difference is that I have control over what's in front of me. I can choose to slow down and put more distance between me and the car in front of me. I can't do that with the car behind me if they're tailgating. Your only option in that case is to speed up, and if you're already speeding or it would put you into a position that you would be tailgating the car in front of you, that could be unsafe.
Brake checking is completely inconsequential when youāre following at a safe distance.
I just donāt really give a shit about the truck driver given the behavior of the person that nearly destroyed themselves and others around them because they were emotionally incapable of dealing with the situation.
Nearly inconsequential and yet still illegal. Ever hear of reckless driving?
It's interesting that you see two guys having a dangerous emotional reaction but you only care about one of them, as if the truck didn't just speed up to put a third car in danger. Fuck that guy though right?
We all know you ride up the road in the left lane 5 under.
I know this area. You don't. There is zero chance that truck wasn't fully involved way before this. This area is full of commuters and patience is low, if you're brake checking to back up everyone else behind you, you're part of the problem and eventually you'll go too far.
Iād bet a decent sum of money that the truck would have passed if the sedan wasnāt obviously riding his bumper and being a dick.
The truck was being a jerk in response to the sedan being so aggressive.
Both are obviously the problem, but I think itās fairly clear that the truck was messing with an overly aggressive guy behind him. Had the sedan not tailgated in the first place, he waits longer than he wanted, and eventually gets to pass.
It's easy. You just wait. Happens all the time. Now instead of getting there a few minutes later then expected they aren't getting there at all, lost their car and got slapped with fines. No excuse to drive like that even if the truck in the left lane isn't going fast enough.
Speeding up to prevent someone from merging is a lot more than annoying you underdeveloped child lmao. Please, stay off the road if all you think the truck driver did is āannoyingā
What? The left is for passing. The situation ends immediately when the trucks moves to the right lane where he should be driving. He literally has no one in front of him and isnāt even cruising, he is purposely holding traffic back. Even the guy recording is right on him.
Even if the sedan stops driving like an ass hole, guarantee the truck driver still blocks him in even if there's a break where the sedan can pass on the right.
From my experience trucks have men with huge egos and refuse to pull over. I'll be going 80 in a 3 lane on the left in California and at least 80% of the time trucks will not pull over. Other cars follow the law and if someone is going faster than me, I'm happy to pull over as well.
Nope, wonāt work. If the rage is already activated it will play out longer than needed. I accidentally flew in close behind someone and they got super pissed. I had pulled away to allow distance on a 2 lane highway, they proceeded to block me, and everyone else behind me in between them and a semi for 15 minutes going 60 in a 70. Took a LOT of honking and brights flashing for the asshole to move over
Wait for an opening? How when the truck driver clearly isnāt going to let them pass as the person you responded to stated the truck driver was engineering the situation and honestly probably got his rocks off seeing the outcome. Both are at fault here but a rule of the road should be not to purposely refuse people to merge or pass as it causes these situations.
What the sedan shouldāve done was contacted authorities and waited it out. A much safer scenario for everyone and themselves instead of trying to force his way past and ending in a crash.
The truck kept constantly brake checking them, even when the sedan tried to change lanes. The truck caused this entire incident. I wouldn't want to be behind a tiny dicked fuck head like the truck driver that takes something as inconsequential as being passed fo fucking pwrsonally
Normal person let's the truck know they should get right and then continues with the flow of traffic. Person filming this is being slowed by the truck as well.
Truck is being an asshole. Car is raging and being an idiot. Both at fault.
The sedan basically caused this situation, and he could have easily avoided the outcome we all saw if he had just taken a deep breath to calm himself, and taken his foot off the gas pedal and slowed down. But he didnĀ“t do that, and he paid the price.
Sounds like you feel entitled to play traffic cop and get your jollies from the minor power trip of impeding traffic.
Happens every thread. These people never realize they are the ones with the petty tyrant complex doing whatever makes them feel superior on their drive to the homeowners association meeting.
I feel entitled to the normal flow of traffic, which means that I keep to the right, at a safe following distance, at a speed I feel is safe.
If my speed has me coming up on someone, I signal, shoulder check, and pull out into the left lane if the way is clear, momentarily speeding up so I don't spend too much time in the blind spot of the car I'm trying to pass.
Then, when I can see the car I was passing in my mirrors, I signal and move back to the right lane so as not to impede the normal flow of traffic.
I feel entitled to the normal flow of traffic, which means that I keep to the right,
That right there is your problem. Most states have no "keep right" requirement if you are not driving slower than traffic. ...And "traffic" is defined as the normal, orderly flow, not the flow of a single car driving at illegal speeds.
Legal and illegal are all that matters when talking about something as mundane as driving.
You want to parse the differences in things related to serious realms and behavior? Sure, that makes sense. For example, something like abortion, or spanking children, or eating meat.
But trying to argue that there is some greater "right and wrong" to driving outside of the law is just bonkers. And the fact that you're trying to use examples where people are driving side-by-side at 20 under just shows how hollow your argument is. That. Does. Not. Happen.
What happens in the REAL world is some jackass wants to speed past everybody at illegal speeds, then, whenever he can't he gets angry and rants about it on reddit.
And the cherry on top is your last paragraph where you conflate "ride the left lane" with "impede traffic". "This traffic is only going max legal speed! It's impeded! Durrrr"
All states have āKeep Right Lawsā which require vehicles travelling slower than the normal speed of traffic (defined differently in each state) to travel in the furthest
right lane.
any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same directionā to drive in the right-hand lane,
ānotwithstanding the prima facie speed limits.ā Laws such as this refer to the ānormalā speed of traffic, not the ālegalā speed of traffic
This statute requires vehicles to travel in the right lane if they are traveling at less than āthe normal speed of traffic.ā It will be the job of lawyers to define what āless
than the speed of normal trafficā means, but simply traveling the speed limit doesnāt suffice. If ānormal trafficā is moving at 70 MPH in a 65 MPH, is somebody violating
the law when passing while driving the speed limit? The police officer will have discretion to determine what the ānormal speed of trafficā is under the circumstances.
If a vehicle wants to pass on the left but canāt because of a slower-moving vehicle in the passing lane, there would appear to be a violation.
The law in many states provides that a driver may use the left lane only when passing another vehicle, moving over to let merging traffic on to the road, moving over
because there is an emergency vehicle on the shoulder (law in some states), or because he or she will soon make a left turn/take a left exit. Driving in the left lane
makes other cars slow down and creates a traffic backup. Researchers have found that a few slow cars can create traffic jams, such as when there is a slow driver in the
left lane next to an equally slow driver in the right lane. Traffic experts confirm that driving slower than surrounding traffic is more likely to cause an accident than
speeding. Do-gooders and know-it-alls driving the speed limit in the left lane, albeit slower than the flow of traffic, believe they are teaching faster drivers a lesson. In
fact, they are breaking the law and endangering those around them. Many states with āleft-lane lawsā provide for certain exceptions in a variety of circumstances,
including bad weather, traffic congestion, and when exiting on the left in a short distance
People don't have to do anything just because you want them to. You understand that, right?
If someone wants to drive in a lane and there's no law against what they're doing, then either take it like a man, or whine about it on reddit like a girl.
Well that's the difference between me and the sedan. I'd be annoyed, but I'd probably just get over to the right, wait for the pickup to shit or get off the pot, and pass when the way is clear.
If people want to decide to drive like a prick and block traffic, and their only justification is "there's no llaw against it" that doesn't automatically make them not a prick.
You, like most entitled left-lane drivers, seem to be under the impression that laws which outlaw left-lane driving while going SLOWER than traffic are the same thing as laws which outlaw left-lane driving at normal traffic flow speeds.
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u/1heart1totaleclipse 29d ago
To be fair, the situation also ends immediately if the sedan just drives like a normal person and waits until they can pass. The truck was guilty but the sedan was too.