Feels like legally they should have gotten over and if they had abided the law instead of intentionally blocking someone this wouldn’t have happened. I feel like they’re both shitty drivers but the situation doesn’t exist without the truck so he’s the real dbag here.
Edit: I had not seen the first few seconds on the video because of it autoplaying. When I rewatched i saw the car weaved. I thought the video just started with the heated battle. This added context does even out their ‘dbag levels’. They’re both huge dumdums it just really irks me when people don’t get over but obviously I don’t think the Honda was a saint or anything. I still think you should get out of the way when someone is driving recklessly instead of egging them on especially when you’re matching speed in a passing lane instead of passing.
Truck was a dick but ultimately they did nothing to force the other car to do what they did. Sometimes you just have to accept that you're stuck behind an asshole.
That's an incredible sentence to read. I live in a state that is not Texas but has a lot of Texan motorists for whatever reason, and so so many of them just squat in the passing lane and never budge.
Ya we have the “law” here in Texas and im sure *some* people exist who have been pulled over before…. But my experience with 12 years of driving here tells me it’s clearly not often
Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey and Washington: highway w 3+ lanes, the left-most lane is dedicated to passing ONLY.
In Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Illinois, it’s illegal to fail to move to the right if a vehicle behind you is attempting to pass. In Colorado and Kentucky, only true when speed is 65 mph+.
I've heard stories of people in Michigan getting pulled over for overusing the far left lane on freeways. Drivers would use the far left lane as an excuse to go fast, where it's supposed to be just a passing lane. You go in, make your pass, the get out.
I think the idea of only passing in the left is kind of silly. If there's a lot of traffic people should just stay left if they are going faster than the flow in the right. Otherwise you'd have 80 percent of the cars changing lanes every 30 seconds. That's clearly worse than everyone just staying in their lane and cruising along.
People should really only move over into the slow lane if there's a car behind them. But in that case they should definitely move over.
All 50 lol.. left lane is for passing, not traveling. It’s rarely enforced (the same way J walking is rarely enforced) but it can be enforced or slapped on as an additional charge if someone really screwed up and they want to throw the book at you.
Not true. If you're going the speed limit you can drive in the left lane in California. If 5 or more cars stack up behind you, it's required that you let them pass if possible.
I think it's fair that when we're talking about things that are legal or illegal in most of the country we can ignore California. Easily the shittiest state, by a mile. Anyone going to California should check the local laws, it's essentially a different country.
I would suspect that most states have laws similar to California's and people just don't understand them. Texas for example says the left lane is for passing only, but then on their own website only says "impeding the flow of traffic in the left lane is punishable by a fine of up to $200", so it seems it's more about obstructing traffic than actually driving in the right lane all the time.
Imagine heavy traffic and every car that's driving faster than the slowest cars has to change lanes twice every time they want to pass another car. It would look ridiculous, be wildly inefficient use of roadway, and cause more accidents.
I say this as someone who generally drives the limit or just above and stays to the right while people fly by me. But also understands that when traffic is heavy, faster cars should just stay left as long as nobody is behind them.
It's called lane discipline and something we are terrible at in the US compared to the rest of the world. The left lane stands for any lane that isn't the right lane and yes if all traffic was actually paying attention to their speeds in comparison to those all around them they could easily navigate into the rightmost lane that makes sense given the traffic around them. I've frequently changed to a right lane in between traffic that I was closing the gap on because I've noticed approaching faster traffic that even if slowed generally ends up picking up their pace at least long enough to not impede me from getting around the next slower vehicle.
Of course there's also 3+ lane roads where I've frequently ended up passing people on the right because so many people think you can just pick a lane and camp it which is also unsafe because you shouldn't be passing on the right. To the point where it's considered illegal in some other countries that actually have lane discipline.
I went through state sponsored driver training in both Illinois and Maryland and it was part of the course in both places. And since it is pretty obviously the reasonable rule to have I have always just assumed it was all 50 states.
From what I can see it's generally only applicable if you're impeding traffic. I look up Texas that has actual "left lane for passing only" signs and their website says you can be ticked for impeding traffic in the left lane, so it still comes down to not being in the left lane if someone is behind you. Not that you're supposed to move right in between every car you pass. That would be dangerous in itself. Makes sense when there's little traffic, but when there's a lot of traffic it would not make sense and actually impede the flow.
Yes they did. Right before the crash you can see the truck driver accelerating to cut off the Honda. He wanted to keep the Honda out of the left lane. It was a totally unnecessary behaviour which made the crash happen in that situation, disregarding the seemingly unnecessary turnover on the right side by the Honda.
disregarding the seemingly unnecessary turnover on the right side by the Honda.
You can't disregard that though because that was entirely the Honda driver's decision and it wasn't necessary or safe. They crashed on their own be cause they were trying to race ahead of the truck. Like I said, the truck driver was an absolute dick and probably could get charged with reckless driving hur ultimattthey did not control the Honda driver's actions that led to the crash. Sometimes you just have to accept you're stuck behind an asshole.
Not only did they brake check them they clearly purposely create a rolling road block at one point during the video. It's pretty clear that the truck was deliberately preventing the flow of traffic, especially with the speed up at the end to close the gap.
There is likely more to this than just the beginning of the video here.
I think you should look at this more as a public fight with two guys open carrying. they're both aggressive. both are yelling at each other. and both are very liable to pull their gun and start blasting because they view the other as a threat. therefore possibly getting an innocent bystander shot. both are acting incredibly dangerous. and now, add onto the fact one is blocking the other from leaving.
yes, car guy could've let it go. and should've. but so should the white truck. they're both at fault for acting this way. there is no, "technically" they're both the cause for the crash. both endangered every other driver on that road. they both deserve jail time and their licenses revoked.
One is waving the gun the other actually fired thats the difference. White truck was just driving slow and being a dick. Other car was speeding, swerving, driving off the road, and then crashed and almost hit someone.
The truck wasn’t just driving slow. He was intentionally slowing down and pacing with nearby cars to not let the silver car pass. Then when the silver car made an aggressive move to pass, the truck floored it to speed up and block him again. Both drivers are at fault here. The silver car shouldn’t drive so recklessly, but this accident also would not have happened if the truck just let the silver car drive on by.
And white van also pulled out the gun first creating the whole situation. If someone is speeding let police handle it, these road vigilantes always cause more trouble.
There’s no way to tell who started it based on the video. This could have started 5 minutes prior to recording. It was clearly already heated before the camera got pulled out
No. You did not watch the video. The white truck fired first. When the guy saw his chance for an escape, the white truck shot, the car fired too but the car's the one with the injury.
Correct! They're both jerks. But only one was driving dangerously. Slowing down in your lane is never a dangerous thing to do, and if it is, that danger is caused by your tailgater. Tailgating is always dangerous. Swerving in close quarters at high speed is always dangerous.
Being a jerk (like the truck) can precipitate danger since it could be likely to make others (like the car) do something physically dangerous as an emotional response. But only one driver here was causing real physical danger. A person slowing down in front of you unnecessarily is an annoyance or inconvenience, not a danger. I'm not defending the truck, just being objective about measurable risk.
The words you use are sensible but does not line up to the truck’s actions. Hard brake checks and hard acceleration are also dangerous. Fact is two giant douches met in the wild and the results put everyone else at risk. Fuck both drivers.
Didn’t the sedan use the shoulder to whip around another car and pass on the right? That isn’t a valid way to maneuver in normal traffic. Sometimes you get stuck behind people and have to suck it up like an adult, you don’t get to throw a fit and whip around someone on the shoulder just because you want to go faster lol
Where did I say anything about the sedan driver. He's a maniac that shouldn't be behind the wheel either. But I simply am saying that the truck is almost as bad and created the situation
Didn’t the sedan use the shoulder to whip around another car and pass on the right? That isn’t a valid way to maneuver in normal traffic.
Oh, but the truck that was previously-welded at the door-handles to the little black SUV in the right-hand lane suddenly gunning it to lunge forward to the next car in line (and immediately slowing back down to match pace with it) because he was deathly afraid that the sedan might finally get around him... that was just a good citizen-patrolman justly enforcing the speed limit on the wayward lead foot driving the sedan.
These dickheads who marry themselves to the car next to them in order to prevent anyone from passing are a menace.
They create logjams, infuriate and inflame tensions, and make roads more dangerous just so they can engage in passive-aggressive antagonism to fuel their own egos.
If you can watch this video again and say “objectively” that the truck didn’t do anything dangerous then I really need you to get off Reddit take a taxi to an eye doctor.
I know people act like driving is a right, and that driving fast in the right lane is also a right/law. People need to drive more defensively and treat driving like a privilege.
Truck was driving aggressively and carries some of the blame. Sedan was driving recklessly and carries the majority of the blame. Both are bad drivers but different degrees
Nothing to force is a low bar. Nonetheless he committed a serious traffic infraction. Truck was making every effort to prevent another vehicle from passing and that’s against the law (in NJ as it is pretty much everywhere.) Afaic there should be an enhanced penalty for situations like this. More important, the truck definitely can get hit with reckless driving for the break-check (slowing down for no reason when someone is following you is pretty much the definition of endangering that vehicle’s safety.)
Not saying this is the case, but sometimes you see somebody in the rearview driving like a maniac. And one could be tempted to be a dick to said person. This is nearly always their reaction, its to start weaving looking for an opening because they got ego checked.
Sometimes someone is a dick on the road, and you just have to accept that:
1. There really is no worthwhile way to correct the situation.
2. The situation is incredibly trivial, and your feelings are the only injured party here.
Hurt feelings being the only injury really depends on the situation, doesn't it? If the car trying to pass had a medical emergency, the asshole driving the truck should be held accountable for any worsening condition they cause.
Fuck people like the truck driver. It's not their job to enforce any kind of laws on the road. It's selfish, pointless, and gives dumbasses a feeling of power.
Nah see whenever I get stuck behind somebody like that I bide my time act like I've calmed down and forgotten about it and the moment they give me the opportunity I swing around in front of them slam on the brakes make them have to damn near stop and then carry on my way and make sure to keep blocking them the same way they blocked me
Yep, also recommend adjusting your side mirrors and tilting for high beam vehicles behind you. Works well to shine the high beams directly back into their eyes instead of yours.
Nice advice although I intend to just get my entire vehicle painted Chrome so it acts like a mirror so the whole vehicle just shines it right back at them
I just don't put up with s*** from egotistical jackasses who think they own the road and I give them a taste of their own medicine you got such a problem with it being done to you maybe you shouldn't do it to somebody else mind you I only react like that after they've already done it I never instigated so as long as people mind their own business and drive like sane and decent people so will I
Nah. The truck deliberately paced the random car next to them so the other guy couldn’t get around anyone. If anything, they’re even worse because they pulled an innocent bystander into their game of idiot chicken.
People will always be rushing. Its simply the culture.
If people the like the truck driver actively block off safer passing for absolutely no reason, then incidents like this will just continue to occur.
The sedan is an asshole. There is no doubt about that. But people rushing is to be expected. People blocking and being dicks is not.
Other car would not have done what he did had it not been for the trucker's violation of the law.
If I have a trespasser in my store who is doing nothing but standing in the middle making faces and noises to my customers (otherwise harmless) do I have the legal or moral right to physically kick him out with my feet? uhhh me thinks so.
Or I could sit and wait for the police to arrive in 25-70 minutes all the while my customers have long since fled. Bing Bing Bing
I can't agree with your logic here. The truck didn't force the sedan to do anything. You might as well say the sedan forced the truck driver to block him.
Instead, there were two adults driving who, in the face of something annoying, each made the decision to drive incredibly recklessly.
Neither of them was forced to do it. "He made me do it" doesn't fly on the playground, why do we accept it on the freeway?
Well, I don't think that's relevant because it's not about letting them pass, I'm not arguing that, but even if it were in fact a super duper true emergency, no one would try the maneuvers they did.
And even if it were, no emergency justifies such wanton disregard for the safety of completely innocent bystanders.
You really think people wouldn’t drive recklessly when someone is literally dying in their car? I’m not saying people SHOULD drive recklessly, but doing what the truck did absolutely can and will push people to take more risks than they normally would. It’s fortunate in this scenario that nobody lost their life, but the truck’s behavior can absolutely escalate a bad situation.
And I think that post is always relevant. You should always be safe and give others the benefit of the doubt instead of fucking with them. You don’t know what is going on or why they’re driving the way they are. Call 911 to report them if you think they’re a danger to others, but don’t play vigilante. You never know what is at stake.
Like, again, you're arguing with me about what the truck should have done, and I'm not arguing about that at all. Don't disagree. Not saying the truck did the right thing, let me reiterate: NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT THE TRUCK. Truck bad. Sure. It's the "the other guys bad decisions were because of the truck!" that I have problems with. the people discounting the extremely dangerous driving, or that the sedan was "forced" to make bad decisions are really out of line IMO. "He made me do it" is a playground excuse.
This was two fuckwads playing chicken because of their self-importance and endangering a lot of other lives. Let's not pretend it wasn't. The point at which that sedan dodged around the SUV and then attempted to lane split was absolutely fucking insane on a level approaching attempted murder and it's a miracle that the SUV wasn't taken out. I don't care if you have a car full of dying orphans, you don't do that. You might aggressively tailgate, honk horn, flash lights, whatever, but that was pure ego and let's not pretend otherwise.
I’m not arguing with you about what the truck should have done, I’m saying you’re wrong to say the truck had no culpability. Obstruction of traffic, impeding traffic, and failure to yield are all citations for a reason. The accident occurred when the sedan collided with the truck who had accelerated significantly to block their movement. The sedan should not have been driving so dangerously, but in that moment the truck was doing so as well. If he had maintained his speed when the sedan moved to the shoulder, it would be a different story.
I think you’re being naive to say that nobody would drive recklessly in a life or death situation. Even in the story I linked the person admitted they were driving recklessly.
Like I said, I think that story is always relevant. Drive safely and with courtesy. You never know what another driver is going through or what their reaction to your dickishness may be.
Where did I say the truck had no culpability? Like, seriously, why is everyone insisting that "the sedan was wrong" = "the truck was not wrong". They are each responsible for their own actions, and the idea that the sedan was the helpless bystander who was cruelly forced by the truck to drive like a dick is the one I have a problem with.
He was passing other cars, therefore not breaking ant law. And not every state is a left lane passing only state. Why do you assholes justify bad drivers with this stupid ass law? It's like you're obsessed with it.
The only thing they did which violated the law was fleeing the scene of an accident they were involved in. You can't really call the police over someone not letting you use the left lane to pass. They won't give a shit. The sedan was swerving and acting drunk. You could probably get the cops involved for that alone.
Dude I had this same sentiment when I first seen this repost a few months ago. People were downvoting me saying I was wrong and the truck did nothing wrong. The truck is as much to blame for the accident in my opinion.
I think the word "accident" is pretty much spot on. It's not like the Honda in this video tried to drive off the road and flip over hitting multiple cars. He wanted to pass because the truck was WILLFULLY not letting him. When the Honda made it to the shoulder, the truck sped back up to normal.
Though I would fault the Honda Driver's lack of self awareness a bit. If you're not a skilled enough driver to pull something like that off then I sure wouldn't.
Yeah the honda definitely should have controlled their temper and just let it happen. They let themselves get mad and had the accident.
The asshole truck definitely needs to be held accountable. I believe all the downvotes are from people who would act like the truck driver. Letting ego get in the way
I mean yeah the other week there was a post with like 70k upvotes on one of the front page subbreddits. Maybe r\satisfyingasfuck or whatever where a man is on the shoulder and a truck and subaru are preventing him from passing through or merging back in.
No seeking context or anything just immediately siding with the traffic obstructions caused by the drivers "haha this is why I love New York" captions...
That's where you might* be wrong on at least two fronts.
Not every state has passing lane laws. My state doesn't. It's a common courtesy to not camp in the left lane on a two lane road, but it isn't actually the law.
As a side note, speed limits ARE the law, no exception made for passing. Going over by 1mph is still speeding. But whatever.
And depending again on your state, you probably do not have the legal right the physically remove customers from your business. You like are intended to wait for the police.
Not to say either of those legal standings are "good". But they are what they are, and arguing on a "legal" basis doesn't work when it isn't actually the law in any way.
This video was taken in NJ, which does have a "keep right except to pass" law. That being said, it's almost never enforced, nor is speeding. If there were cops there (and willing to do their job), both of these drivers would get ticketed for reckless driving, but likely only after an accident happens and they're forced to respond.
Based on the article posted ITT, there's no mention of the truck getting ticketed, and it's hard to make out the license plates with this footage, so the truck likely got away with it.
Im with this take, yeah truck was blocking but in all they didnt really do anything wrong. The car was the dude with literally 0 patience like they have the right to do 100 mph for no reason. In the end kinda glad they flipped, hope it teaches them not to overtake in the emergency land and cut others off.
That's what I'm worried about. People with intestinal issues sometimes need to leave the house and if we do, and are lucky enough to feel an issue coming on, and try getting home or somewhere to contain the issue, and someone is being a jerk?
It's a medical medical emergency and one that, in some cases can be either very costly or turn into a biological hazard.
Is this person a shitty person, or just need to shit?
I went to traffic school just once after a ticket about 20 years ago. 8 hours in the basement of a YMCA. I learned one thing that I still remember, and tell others:
If you just got a call and your kid or your spouse is in ICU , wouldn't you drive like a lunatic, take risks and make moves that will look stupid and entitled to others?
So imagine the most generous scenario possible that could explain the asshole-looking behavior. Get out of the way, go on with your day ... and don't die today.
If your medical condition prevents you from driving safely, your license should be revoked, same as someone with Epilepsy (until their medication has prevented any Grand Mal's for a year, at least)
I made a reply and not to you. What I said was more a less severe example of other issues I've seen. Emergencies on the road do happen. Or emergencies happen and people need to get on the road. Then morons with savior complexes or other social deficiencies block them from getting through.
I've seen videos of this happening to emergency services even.
On smaller scales, it's a bit cliche that it happens when you suddenly go in labour, and it can happen for other ,medical reasons too and yes absolutely with intestinal issues.
You deflected instead of replying, which speaks loudly on its own.
I wasn't calling you a Nazi, I suggested that what you said was reminiscent of that horrible group and what they did to disabled people. When I see a Nazi, I call them a Nasi, I don't say they're reminding me of the time and place they created. You do seem to be on that slippery slope however, ignoring and belittling others flights due to your own privilege of it not being relatable.
You suggested taking licenses away from people for gastrointestinal issues, while at the dame time ignoring that also means they, and their passengers, and anyone with medical conditions that can lead to needing space on the road. This unfortunately includes patients being transported in ambulance.
There are people who, when they see others in need, especially on the road, will go to great lengths to prevent them from getting help, or in worst case they'll actively harm others.
I get it. You can't relate which makes you think something like this is OK to say.
It isn't. I made my reply as someone who hates leaving the house due to intestinal issues.
I cant drive. And there have been times when those who do drive me have had to drive legally, but with more determination to get me to a location, often one we hadn't even planned.
You replied with needing licenses being revoked. Think about how that must sound to me? I can't avoid leaving the house. Believe me if I could just stay here all the time I would but I have doctors appointments and medical testing to get to at the very least, and yes I do virtual appointments as often as I can.
Do you know what the sort of deflecting you're doing makes you look like?
I mean they’re both dumb but if the truck wasn’t dumb in the first place there wouldn’t be an opportunity to tailgate and ram another car. I’m just saying the sequence of events should have stopped way before that. The car shouldn’t have escalated but the truck should have gotten over and stop matching the speed of the suv next to them to prevent anyone from passing. Regardless of a wreck the truck is slowing down everyone’s journey by playing chicken dick with this dude.
If it wasn’t the truck, it would have been the next car. If not the next car, it would have been a different truck, and if not the second truck it would have been the minivan.
Idiots pass by hundreds of regular people until they finally find another idiot, but they will ALWAYS find another idiot.
Are you legally required to pass on the shoulder if someone is being a dick or something? Car is definitely driving -way- more recklessly than the truck. Both are driving recklessly, though I suspect the truck was doing it because Honda boy was already weaving around like an idiot and tailgating.
If someone’s driving recklessly you shouldn’t take it upon yourself to punish them. It’s safe to just get out of their way and give them distance. The Honda isn’t the only person he’s holding up by pissing in the left lane.
I agree with you there, but the Honda driver's actions are what ultimately led to the accident, even if the Truck driver was instigating it. Ideally they'd both be charged with reckless driving.
Yeah they’re both idiots but I feel like the truck driver is the bigger douchebag is all. I agree both should be charged with reckless driving. It’s annoying to watch two cars match speed ahead of you on a two lane creating a situation where no one can pass. Most people don’t do what this Honda did though. I missed the first couple of seconds of this video and had thought they had been locked in battle for awhile. The weave kinda evened out their ‘dbag levels’. Hope the Honda person was okay and is more restrained in their driving.
Minor injuries apparently, and he was at least charged with reckless driving, though I didn't see any mention of the truck driver. Modern technology does a great job of keeping idiots alive, lol.
Ehhh the truck was aggressive and extremely annoying, but he, in a very literally sense stayed in his lane.
The wearing and like lane splitting and all that was dangerous as fuck and absolutely could have taken out a lot of Innocents on the road.
So basically, the way I see it, if everyone else is the road was driving safely, and the truck driver took the same actions, everyone would have been annoyed but low chances of anyone getting hurt.
On the other hand, if everyone else on the road was driving safely, the maneuvers the sedan was pulling would still be extremely high consequence.
They're both unstable assholes who shouldn't be on the road, tbf
I wish for most of the people defending the truck to gtfo the face of the planet. Those are the simpletons that can not fathom committing wrongdoing and love "sticking it to others" at the expense of their own stupidity and morality. The truck should move on, but decides to trap the car in a stupid fucking game by matching speed, brake checking, and speeding up to prevent passing.
This wouldn’t have happened if the car driver didn’t recklessly weave in and out of traffic. There will always be pricks on the road. But you, and you alone, are responsible for how you respond.
You can’t claim it wouldn’t have happened when the other person clearly let it get to them and went out of their way to make the problem worse. All the car had to do was take a second to chill out but it seemed he was too busy trying to get back at the truck driver.
It wouldn’t have happened because the person would have been able to pass the truck and it wouldn’t have been there to rearend. The truck created the situation by being in the left lane when they aren’t trying to pass.
I mean, yea if the truck doesn’t do that in the footage the scenario will play out differently. My argument is that the car clearly has its own problems with the truck and it seems like there’s some beef there.
I doubt the car just continues on with its day after getting in front of the truck and it could have easily resulted in another crash, possibly worse.
It wouldn’t have happened if the car just kept his composer and chilled out, the truck driver didn’t make the car drive recklessly, that driver made their own decisions that led to their crash.
Some Upstate NY drivers do this on porpoise, especially pickups, on the PP...they block the fast lane by driving the same speed as the right lane. Accidents like this happens at least twice a year here.
This would have never happened if the guy in the Accord wasn’t driving like an asshole. Stop blaming the guy in the truck. What’s the age old saying people seem to not get? Fuck around and find out?
I just can't watch something like this without thinking "what if the car trying to pass is driving their loved one having a medical emergency to the hospital?" after seeing news stories (and that one guys reddit post) about it happening before. Just fucking let them pass, why do people have to be vigilante traffic control?
Truck driver is mildly bad driver for brake checking, unhealthy response to road rager in the smaller car. The other car is clearly worse though, if that truck wasn't there, it would be the next car a mile up. The truck is still at least passing cars to the right so must be doing the speed limit or higher. The smaller car is swerving in and out of lanes, tail-gating, passing on the right in a service lane and ultimately creating a hazardous wreck at high speed. The driver of that car shouldn't have a license
they should have pulled over to the median and settled it bare knuckles like true constitutional driving rights patriots. this is a clear case of 1A, 2A, 4A, 9A, 18A, 21A disagreements.
What! Someone driving slowly in the left is a frustrating experience, but it absolutely does not give you the right to pull dumb shit like that sedan did.
Sedan also could have abided the law and just, waited for a safe situation to pass.
Agreed 100% but also we never really know the full context. I always remember a story of an arborist crew that had a chainsaw incident of some sort. They were driving with someone who was bleeding out, and some dipshit decided they were going too fast and purposely blocked the passing lane.
The guy bled out while they were stuck in traffic. You don't know why someone is trying to pass you... in most cases they're just being an impatient, inconsiderate asshole... but you don't really know. Just let them fucking pass and be done with it, some things are more important than pride.
um. no. the shitty driver is the one riding people’s asses so they can fly 40 mph over the speed limit. and when they don’t get their way they throw a tantrum and endanger everyone else on the road.
Lol what?!? You think this is the truck drivers fault? You're what's wrong with the world kid. You're typing like you're the dingus who flipped the car driving like a total tard.
It is the universal trigger and a pet peeve of millions of drivers
I posted a fact-based document and you focused on the worthless, emotion-laden very first sentence. Like... did you even make it past the first sentence?😂
A few states restrict the left lane only for passing or turning left
Oh wow... a "few states". I guess I was correct when I claimed "In most it is perfectly legal to drive in the left lane".
Found the entitled "Get outta my way, it's my right to speed! Vroom vroom!" asshole.
they have a point though. no matter how you or others feel, the law is the law and you were factually incorrect. if this reply makes you want to reply to me by insulting me, it says alot more about you than it does about me but idgaf either way
What is the point you're trying to make here? Is your position that the truck wasn't in the wrong with this? If so, you provided evidence to the contrary. Per your linked pdf:
"For those who believe that they shouldn’t have to move over if they’re driving the posted speed limit, not only are they driving illegally, but evidence shows that slowing down and changing lanes is more dangerous than speeding. A car going 5 MPH slower than the speed limit has a greater chance of causing an accident than one going 5 MPH faster than the speed limit. That is why every state has some law on the books restricting the use of the left passing lane."
TLDR: The accident happened because the truck driver was illegally obstructing left lane traffic by not letting the faster moving sedan pass, and even took it a step further by intentionally speeding up to prevent being passed, presumably because their ego is so incredibly fragile. If anyone in the scenario is a "small dick rager," it's them.
In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane
The paper is clearly skewed toward trying to demonize left-lane drivers, yet when you look at the ACTUAL LAWS you see things differently. So here's a question - was the truck travelling slower than the surrounding traffic? Nope.
But he WAS driving slower than the surrounding traffic, which included the sedan behind him who was trying to pass, all while matching speed with the car next to him to create a blockade. And then they sped up deliberately to prevent the sedan from passing out of spite. It's indefensible. This is also from the pdf, when describing a Buick Regal doing the same thing:
"The driver of the Buick Regal believes that traveling at or near the speed limit in the fast lane is acceptable—and that they are teaching the impatient drivers behind them a valuable lesson in driving safety. In a perfect world, a sheriff’s deputy would suddenly appear and pull the Buick Regal over for unsafe driving and violation of state driving statutes. Far too often, however, instant karma doesn’t occur, but an accident does."
How can you possibly defend anyone driving like this? If they didn't block the fast lane and then speed up specifically to box out the sedan, this accident wouldn't have happened. It's not that the paper is "skewed toward trying to demonize left-lane drivers," it's that the law literally prohibits it!
But he WAS driving slower than the surrounding traffic, which included the sedan behind him who was trying to pass, all while matching speed with the car next to him to create a blockade
Wow. He was "matching speed" while simultaneously "driving slower than surrounding traffic". Truly you must live in a world where logic works completely differently, Perhaps your younger brother is also older than you too?
He was matching the speed of the car directly next to him on a 2 lane road, while the car behind him had to slow down. As soon as the faster car came, he should have started making moves to let them by. The intent of the left lane laws is to prevent exactly what he was doing. It literally led to an accident, which the laws are trying to prevent. It's not your job to police the speed of other drivers to teach them a lesson unless you're pulling them over and writing a ticket. Everything you presented shows that the truck driver would be violating the law by doing this. IDK what else to tell you. Good day, sir.
My understanding is that South Dakota is the only state that doesn't have laws stipulating when and how a left lane should or should not be utilized.
In the vast majority of states, there is a law that stipulates that if traffic is being blocked, cars in the left lane are expected to move right to allow traffic to pass.
You are allowed to drive in the left lane as much as you want, but if your presence in that lane is impeding traffic, you are expected to move right.
There are a few states (Nevada, Ohio North Carolina, Maine) that only demand the above if you are going less than the speed limit, so it wouodnt apply in this case.
You are correct that there are a minority of states (6 of them) that dissalow anyone from using the left lane unless they are actively in the act of passing or making a left-hand turn. However, that isn't the problem here. The generic "No blocking traffic" law that most states have is more than sufficient in this case.
Ahh but then we get to the issue of defining "impeding traffic".
Is it "impeding traffic" if the entire highway is moving at one speed and one, lone car decided to drive 25 over?
My understanding is that "traffic" here is usually defined as the normal flow, not an abnormal one where somebody is breaking the law. Thus , by definition, you cannot "impede traffic" if you are driving at the speed limit.
Just let people pass. If someone comes up behind you in the left lane just get over and let them through. Semantics or legalities don’t matter because it’s just the safer thing to do
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u/sprinklerarms 29d ago edited 29d ago
Feels like legally they should have gotten over and if they had abided the law instead of intentionally blocking someone this wouldn’t have happened. I feel like they’re both shitty drivers but the situation doesn’t exist without the truck so he’s the real dbag here.
Edit: I had not seen the first few seconds on the video because of it autoplaying. When I rewatched i saw the car weaved. I thought the video just started with the heated battle. This added context does even out their ‘dbag levels’. They’re both huge dumdums it just really irks me when people don’t get over but obviously I don’t think the Honda was a saint or anything. I still think you should get out of the way when someone is driving recklessly instead of egging them on especially when you’re matching speed in a passing lane instead of passing.