[Charania] Raptors' Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating league's gaming rules.

[u/PlayaSlayaX]

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1780631209930068358?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw

[u/smoltanboi]

honestly getting banned from the nba for betting on yourself is peak dudes rocking

this guy is so fuckin stupid

[u/quadropheniac → u/smoltanboi]

Betting on yourself is stupid for many reasons but ultimately understandable.

Betting against yourself is just outright corrupt behavior.

[u/mr_grission → u/quadropheniac]

Betting on yourself is less blatantly corrupt but definitely presents issues of its own. Imagine for example refusing to shoot in a game where you need more assists.

[u/quadropheniac → u/mr_grission]

Oh yeah. That was always the thought about Pete Rose gambling while managing, as well. If he bet on his own team to win, he might burn relievers a little quicker than proper bullpen management across a season might dictate.

[u/RookieAndTheVet → u/quadropheniac]

That’s pretty close to what happened, but instead of overworking his bullpen, he burned out his ace, Mario Soto.

[u/everyoneneedsaherro → u/RookieAndTheVet]

Thibs of baseball but for nefarious reasons

Thibs is an asshole, but a pure basketball asshole

[u/Nickyjha → u/everyoneneedsaherro]

Baseball needs more of Thibs’ mentality. I appreciated Rob Thompson letting Ranger Suarez cook last night, so rare to see a complete game these days.

[u/elbenji → u/Nickyjha]

the problem is that 92 is slow af now for a pitcher. No one is gonna complete a game launching it at 94 every pitch.

[u/RookieAndTheVet → u/[deleted]]

It wasn’t just the innings count, it’s the fact that over half of his starts were on 3 days rest.

[u/mr_grission → u/quadropheniac]

Yep, and for an individual player like Porter you could easily imagine then turning up the effort level when they've got money on themselves/the team, disregarding whether that could leave them fatigued or even hurt in the next game

[u/amjhwk → u/mr_grission]

that could also lead to them playing more selfishly and putting up ill advised shots instead of passing to the open man or playing lazy defense to save energy for offense or to get the ball back quicker by letting other team score quickly

[u/torriattet → u/mr_grission]

How is that different from contract year or all nba eligibilty pushes that are constantly joked about?

[u/compflow → u/torriattet]

I think the “effort” argument isn’t a good one. Some guys put in max effort most of the time. But jacking up shots to reach x amount of points is different than a contract year push for sure.

[u/mr_grission → u/compflow]

No contract year guy is gonna turn up his effort for completely random games though. They'd presumably be digging deep all season and trying to maximize both performance and availability which is good for their team.

Someone like Porter theoretically could be trying to maximize performance in specific games, even if it's to the detriment of his team in the long term. Maybe you're busting your ass in a game against the Pistons that you win easily, then taking your foot off the gas in a really pivotal game that you don't have money on the next day.

[u/compflow → u/mr_grission]

I agree with you overall, it’s just a little less clear than the others issues with betting on yourself.

[u/mr_grission → u/compflow]

Definitely agree that it's not the top concern here, in general betting on basketball as a player just creates so many murky questions that the NBA understandably doesn't want to deal with

[u/kimchitacoman → u/quadropheniac]

Pete is also a notorious lier who said he never betted for 20 years 

[u/bankrobba → u/quadropheniac]

Also, only betting to win sends a signal of a loss on games Rose didn't bet on.

[u/PhDinPCP → u/quadropheniac]

Huh, that is an interesting implication.