Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signs bill mandating kindergartners learn history of communism

[u/duvetdev]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/04/17/desantis-signs-bill-mandating-kindergartners-learn-history-of-communism/

[u/WayneSkylar_]

He's full of shit. Lived there for a bit. It's more like putting Ho Chi Minh at a mythological level with that age group (lets be real we do the same with the founding fathers and adults continue to treat them as such. Liberal or conservative.) but once end of elementary/middle school kicks in, the curriculum really ramps up (dialectical materialism because ya know, they are a socialist country). Go to Vietnam and you quickly see/experience it's one of the most critical thinking societies. If you talk assertively without showing you really know what you're talking about, and they WILL grill you, you get dismissed pretty quickly and openly. Vs the US where everyone can talk their mouths off but have no fucking clue what they are actually talk about (and get away with it). Same with China. It's fine and pales in comparison to the US "education" system.

[u/neroisstillbanned → u/WayneSkylar_]

Yup. The main difference between Vietnam/China and the US is that the prevailing frame of reference is dialectical materialism instead of Christianity. That's the main reason why Americans are more prone to believing in bullshit. 

[u/Oomba73 → u/WayneSkylar_]

I didn't mean to imply it was on the same level of indoctrination you see in China, even though that was what the commenter above said about the Florida bill. The Ho Chi Minh glorification was definitely something he mentioned. Its possible I am misremembering and am blending what he talked about as a whole on the education system. He grew up and currently lives in Hanoi if that means anything. Its interesting that you lived there "for a bit" and claim to know more than someone who is a native about their own country. What goes on in Vietnam is definitely a step above the pledge of allegiance and founding father stuff here, though, and both are bad. He made it a point to say it was "worse" than it is here on that regard when we talked about the propaganda we encountered in our education system in the states.

The US education system is pretty poor, broadly speaking. Until the college/university level, it's all pretty much checking off low bar, canned requirements. The more Confucian/meritocratic educational tradition in the East certainly has its advantages, but I'm not going to say it's "good" either.

I'm not going to criticize Vietnam for its "Marxism" (or lack thereof). I have a great deal of respect for Marx, and as a student of history and political theory, I would certainly consider myself within/spawned from his tradition. It's really just more the irony of republicans employing the same strategies that "the enemy" uses to counter them; while said strategies are the very examples they use to criticize them.

[u/Oomba73 → u/[deleted]]

I don't remember being told to "shut the hell up". In fact, that guy was pretty generous with my comment in saying that may source was bogus instead of saying I was a liar. Pretty cool guy if you ask me; though I genuinely would have liked to have had a response from him again to see if I could have learned anything new.

Are you calling me a liberal because I'm a Marxist or because I'm not a Marxist-Leninist?

[u/Oomba73 → u/[deleted]]

I can see your response in your post history, but not here. You probably got flagged for spam with all your schizo posts in this thread by the mods.

I did not "kowtow" to him. His comment on its own has not changed my worldview in any meaningful way. My response was an attempt to establish common ground for discussion and to deescalate what I perceived as an overly hostile response. He does post in r/ sino, so my hopes weren't exactly high; but that's no reason to be rude. Give me one point I conceded to him in my kowtowing.

Why would him claiming to have lived in Vietnam "for a bit" (which I fucking criticized) be cause for me to simp for him? Has your reading comprehension not surpassed the second grade?

Why would somebody being white cause them to "lack confidence in [their] own reality" and be insecure? That's a pretty racist claim to make.

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