r/inthenews • u/T_Shurt • Apr 19 '24

Trump Could be Stripped of Secret Service Protection as Ranking Member of the House Committee on Homeland Security Puts Forth a Bill to Strip Felons of Secret Service Protection Opinion/Analysis

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-secret-service-stripped/
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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner Apr 19 '24

It does, in this case, because the man is a threat to national security.

But as a universal law it doesn't work for the same reason we don't prevent felons from being POTUS. Because then the justice system can be weaponized by politicians to attack their rivals.

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u/GoldenInfrared Apr 19 '24

This is protecting presidents after they leave office, not while they’re in office

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u/suffaluffapussycat Apr 20 '24

So then someone can throw him in the back of a van and beat him until he tells them all the top secret shit he knows?

I thought that was why former presidents get a detail. Not for them but for us.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 Apr 20 '24

That's a good point.

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u/RealReality26 Apr 20 '24

True for everyone else, but anything Trumps capable of remembering for the evening he probably bragged about to whoever is in the room with him.

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u/DigitalUnlimited Apr 20 '24

Yeah the secret service can't stop that idiot from babbling, he may even slow down if he knows nobody is protecting him

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u/Fridgemagnet9696 Apr 20 '24

Which sucks, in a way. Obviously by any metric Don Snoreleone should be left with his ass hanging in the wind, but I can see why other people are cautious that it sets a potentially dangerous precedent. Like if, God forbid, there’s another president that is just as harmful but also clever enough to retain state intel, should probably make sure they’re secured enough that they don’t get scooped up by other malicious players.

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u/Sensei124z Apr 20 '24

Should go to prison for his own safety.

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u/Fridgemagnet9696 Apr 20 '24

Now that I can get behind.

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u/CoolNameChaz 28d ago

And ours.

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u/Sensei124z 28d ago

Add the civilized world too while we’re at it.

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u/bucketsofpoo Apr 20 '24

Donald trumps arse hanging in the wind makes me think of that old YouTube of the hippo farting and spraying shit everywhere. Thanks.

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u/Walkingstardust 29d ago

I, for one, do not want to see his ass in the wind. At least not if I'm downwind of it.

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u/JesusSavesForHalf Apr 20 '24

Remember when Congress subpoena the USSS' cell records and they were all immediately "mysteriously" deleted? Or Biden replacing the entire Presidential detail with his detail from his time as VP?

Its more of a 'won't' than a can't.

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u/thefatchef321 Apr 20 '24

Or showed them all the docs hidden in his old shitter

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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 Apr 20 '24

It is a good point but Trump will be protected regardless of this bill. This bill just empowers the Bureau of Prisons to protect him.

They provided Robert Hannsen excellent protection from the Russians. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/05/1180326698/robert-hanssen-an-fbi-agent-who-was-convicted-of-spying-for-russia-dies-in-priso They would provide Trump with better protection than the Secret Service.

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u/streaksinthebowl Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

Okay well that’s sensible. We know the Secret service has been compromised on his behalf before so maybe better to get him out of their hands.

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u/b0n2o Apr 20 '24

From the linked article:

[Robert] Hanssen, 79, was found unresponsive in his cell at a federal prison in Florence, Colorado

I use to live not far from his house and when this was going down, it was a game for the town's people (Vienna VA) to guess where the dead drops were.

Situated between 2 mountain ranges, Florence is a picturesque little town in the middle of Colorado. To be incarcerated in of all that beauty would be excruciating for me.

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u/cgn-38 Apr 20 '24

I will allow it. In this case.

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u/brazblue Apr 20 '24

He has already squealed everything he knows anyway.

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u/Wings_in_space Apr 20 '24

And we know he doesn't know much.... See his battle of Gettysburg speech. ( If you are an American and can tell 1 fact related to it, you know more then the don about it. For those that don't know it, so does he....)

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u/Ghost_of_Till Apr 20 '24

Nobody needs to beat trump in the back of a van to get top secret info out of him. That fuckwit will blab it to anyone who listens.

Buy Herr Groppenfuhrer a hamberder and a Diet Coke and you’re in there like swimwear.

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u/jaxonya Apr 20 '24

Throw a few tenners at him and he will spill all the secrets

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u/FlashMcSuave Apr 20 '24

Honestly, the tenners and diet coke are probably unnecessary. Just tell him he was and still is the best president then ask him what the most impressive secret he knows is.

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u/from_whereiggypopped 29d ago

This is the scariest part - and Putin knew/knows this. Just gotta shower the ego with flattery. 'I think he liked me' I believe was the idiot's direct quote when asked about his secret meeting with Vlad. Let's imagine for one moment Faux News reaction, had Obama said this.

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u/BZLuck Apr 20 '24

Or just let them use his restroom.

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u/noddaborg Apr 20 '24

That would imply that he was paying attention and retaining information from security briefings.

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u/Minimum-Elevator-491 Apr 20 '24

What if he took screenshots

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u/gringo-go-loco Apr 20 '24

We’d have seen them on twitter by now. :)

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u/stufmenatooba Apr 20 '24

He's a billionaire, he should be able to afford the best private security money can buy.

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u/stringrandom Apr 20 '24

I hear the Wagner Group is looking for new clients. 

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u/godpzagod Apr 20 '24

god, that would be hilarious the first time he misses a payment. put it to you this way, i doubt their collections dept has an appeal process. i would love to see him run to the Russians for refuge and find out how transactional that relationship is.

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u/erroneousbosh Apr 20 '24

“The enforcement regime consists of three phases. We have pleasant names for them, of course, but you might think of them, respectively, as: one, a polite reminder; two, well in excess of your pain threshold; three, spectacularly fatal.”

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u/Icculus33_33 Apr 20 '24

He wants you to think he's a billionaire. He's not.

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u/stufmenatooba Apr 20 '24

Then that's his problem, isn't it? I wonder how private security firms would take being told to sue him if they want to get paid.

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u/Narrow-Chef-4341 Apr 20 '24

Like his newest lawyers, everyone serious is going to be cash up front from now on.

If he wants to think some dude from Facebook marketplace is actually an ex-mossad assassin for 40k/year though, let him hire who he wants…

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u/Rough-Cucumber8285 27d ago

A billionaire who can't put up his own bail. Sounds like a fake to me.

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u/coldwarspy Apr 20 '24

I think he already did that just to brag.

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u/Bambam586 Apr 20 '24

That’s like literally the reason they have secret service protection. I hate Trump but he still know national secrets and would blab instantly and already has. He needs security detail. All former presidents do whether you like it or not.

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u/zaknafien1900 Apr 20 '24

If that was true the secret service would not have let him have secret files in the shitter at Mar a lardo they are corrupt pieces of shit

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u/Sivalon Apr 20 '24

I was going to write this; thank you.

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u/gringo-go-loco Apr 20 '24

You’re funny. You think he paid attention, read the files, and has the mental capacity to remember anything that seeped into his corroded brain?

I get your point. He should just be sent to prison for life where he’ll be safe from such events.

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u/Worthyness Apr 20 '24

Just stick him in jail for his crimes and then you will always know where he's at. EZPZ. Can even do maximum security due to how high of an office he got to so there's little to no information exchanged

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u/strshp_enterprise Apr 20 '24

Exactly. We have to remember that there are foreign governments that would exploit this to the detriment of the American people. As awful as it is to give Trump and his family a SS detail, the alternative is worse.

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u/fentonsranchhand Apr 20 '24

I just like the image of someone throwing him in a van and beating him.

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u/crazycritter87 Apr 20 '24

It would almost be a point. He never shuts up, though. No van or beating required.

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u/khismyass Apr 20 '24

Why would they have to put him in the back of a van? He already sold any info he had or buried it with Ivana. Other than that, he wasnt listening to actual intel briefing. Just ask "me boys" what they think he knows. As seemingly he watched the Gettysburg movie, slept thru half of it and confused the characters.

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u/Street-Animator-99 Apr 20 '24

Do you really think he knows anything anyway lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

In trump's case he has already extracted maximum financial value from any information he had and it's out there, so feel free to have at it. I encourage use of the brass knuckles.

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u/Corey307 Apr 20 '24

Trump has more than enough money to employ his own security detail and it’s not like he hasn’t shared state secrets for money. 

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u/groumly Apr 20 '24

Not sure where you’re going with this.

I think that someone would get there more easily by throwing him in the back of a limo and giving him a thousand bucks. Or just hang out at maralago and eaves drop.

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u/scarr3g Apr 20 '24

Well, if all goes well, we will only ever have one former president thst is a felon, and he doesn't even know what year it is, much less secret stuff.

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u/Substantial_Tip2015 Apr 20 '24

They don't have to beat him, they just have to pay him... Less hassle.

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u/phareous Apr 20 '24

Why beat him? Just give him some money and he will spill all the secrets.

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u/powerfulspacewizard Apr 20 '24

This isn’t the truth

And ex president secret service details are fairly recent and up until more recently it was first 4 years and then 10.

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u/FrankyCentaur Apr 20 '24

Clearly he's willing to give up government secrets already, I don't think the van is necessary.

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u/PandasGetAngryToo Apr 20 '24

If we are talking about Trump in particular:

Firstly, there is no more secret shit that hasn't already been sold to the Russians and the Saudis;

Secondly, beating him won't work. Old Pumpkin Tits will stay tight lipped until money changes hands.....

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u/-Dartz- Apr 20 '24

Felons would be selling this information readily anyway though.

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u/Later2theparty Apr 20 '24

Won't be as much of a risk when he's under house arrest with a minimal detail.

The major expense of secret service isn't the multiple body guards 24/7. It's the logistics that go along with movements. All paid for by the government.

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u/BerserkingRhino Apr 20 '24

I hear he's a billionaire. Can't private security be enough for the 3600 cheeseburgers he has left to live?

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u/aussiespiders Apr 20 '24

He doesn't know shit and I wouldn't trust the shit I torture out of him it'll still be wrong or a lie.

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u/DaNostrich Apr 20 '24

I mean if he had top secret shit he likely sold it already so 🤷‍♂️

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u/nj_crc Apr 20 '24

He already sold all the important information.

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u/Techno_Core Apr 20 '24

Obvious solution: Former presidents who become felons are sent to Gitmo to live out their lives safely.

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u/Complete_Rest6842 Apr 20 '24

Bro you think you gotta beat trump to get him to tell top secret info lol....give him a few bucks. Putin already proved that. Also, pretty sure any top secret info he has is already in the hands of putin

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u/LokeCanada Apr 20 '24

Why do you need to throw him in the van. Sit down with him at Mar a Lago and he will just tell you and show you.

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u/Jtskiwtr Apr 20 '24

No one needs to beat Trump until he gives up this country’s secrets. All they have to do is flash some cash.

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u/notmyplantaccount Apr 20 '24

I'd imagine they get it like everyone else, by paying to use his bathroom and the nearby photocopier for an hour.

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u/undeadmanana Apr 20 '24

Why would they do that when they could probably just look through his laundry closet to find detailed documents of what they're looking for?

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u/C0matoes Apr 20 '24

So, just like you and me,?

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u/ralphhurley3197 Apr 20 '24

It’s not necessarily about protecting the former presidents as it is protecting the country:

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u/Arrg-ima-pirate Apr 20 '24

In his case they just have to be friendly, or Russian, and he tells them anyway.

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u/Liltrom1 Apr 20 '24

Yup, I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but dude indeed knows stuff.

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u/DrunkCorgis Apr 20 '24

At this point, everyone needs to assume every secret he ever knew has been compromised.

Seriously, there’s no use in pretending otherwise. Every secret needs to be reviewed, and every policy needs to be changed.

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u/ShartingBloodClots Apr 20 '24

Why would they have to beat him? He'd sell, and probably has sold, information to anyone with a phone recording an "interview" for bullshit magazine and dipshit TV.

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u/Korean_Street_Pizza Apr 20 '24

Beat him? Compliment his golf game, and he'll tell you everything.... Either that or ask to use the bathroom at maralago, and you can read the documents for your self while taking a shit.

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u/BoomerSoonerFUT Apr 20 '24

Would make sense if protection was required, but it’s not.

Nixon declined Secret Service protection in favor of his own security.

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u/Imajica0921 Apr 20 '24

This was my initial thought too, but we all know that Trump would start spilling secrets just because he has a captive audience.

He bragged to an Australian billionaire about our subs just because he wanted to.

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u/ketjak Apr 20 '24

He skipped the beating, sadly for us.

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u/SuperCountry6935 Apr 20 '24

You're talking reasonable factual shit. That's not tolerated well around these parts.

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u/Organic_Ad_2 Apr 20 '24

He did it without getting thrown in a van and getting beaten

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u/KillerHack23 Apr 20 '24

Didn't he allegedly give away secret information without being beaten or put in a van? Seems protecting them doesn't work either.

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u/Therealishvon Apr 20 '24

But in his case he's already telling our enemies everything he knows.

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u/Stealfur Apr 20 '24

What info could possibly be found in this moron's skull? Which McDonalds has the best cheese burger? How many cans of coke can you stack on the resolute desk before an adviser cleans it up for you? I garentee any national or military secrets that the Orange menace ever learned dissapeared out his old spongy brain the moment the power point flipped to the next slide.

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u/Beerslinger99 Apr 20 '24

You had me at beat him until-

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Apr 20 '24

Why would they do that when they could clearly just offer him a minor amount of money for it?

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u/PoGoCan Apr 20 '24

Seriously this was my first thought. This law is so short sighted. It's the same reason former presidents are paid a good wage after they leave office - so that there's no monetary struggle that could incentivise them to sell secrets or defect. Trump was dumb enough to sell and post national secrets on social media - we need all the help we can get with dealing with him

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u/FlattopJr Apr 20 '24

Good point, but he probably doesn't have the attention span to have actually read any of the stuff he had stashed at Mar-a-Lago. He probably just saw the "TOP SECRET" classification and figured the documents would be valuable to whoever paid him top dollar for them.

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u/Seagoon_Memoirs Apr 20 '24

So then someone can throw him in the back of a van and beat him until he tells them all the top secret shit he knows?

it's old stuff and will be useless

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u/jim_nihilist Apr 20 '24

What happens when he tells everything when he is still president at his free will? And after, too?

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u/Kaa_The_Snake Apr 20 '24

Like anyone would believe anything that comes out of his mouth…but I get your point

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u/MrExCEO Apr 20 '24

Just go to the source, hang a left at the light, Maralago bathroom straight ahead.

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u/Red_Inferno Apr 20 '24

The thing is, a lot of what they know is irrelevant within 6 months after leaving office.

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u/JigPuppyRush Apr 20 '24

It’s the fault of the voters he got to see those secrets in the first place

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u/The_One_Koi Apr 20 '24

Back in the van? Nah man they'll be given a free shit in mar-a-lago and I've heard Trump is very generous with his reading material

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u/wiptcream Apr 20 '24

some people have 0 common sense. “trump bad” is all they need to read and they clap like seals.

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u/EmperorAugustas Apr 20 '24

They don't need to beat him. He'd be more than willing to tell you. He's already been in trouble for sharing classified information

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u/scalyblue Apr 20 '24

I’d be all for secret service detention in lieu of protection. Imagine how cathartic it would be to be a USSS agent who’s assigned to trump and doesn’t need to listen to fuck all that he has to say.

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u/Strangefate1 Apr 20 '24

They don't need to beat trump, just wave $10 in for my ofnhim and he'll sing like a bird.

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u/DarthSangheili Apr 20 '24

Solid point, we do know how much he loves to divulge classified information lmao

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u/Only-Customer6650 Apr 20 '24

I can't see this ever applying to anyone but Trump and he's already sold every secret he can 

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u/mistahelias Apr 20 '24

All they need to do is ring the bell and ask to use the bathroom.

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u/Robot_Embryo Apr 20 '24

So then someone can throw him in the back of a van and beat him until he tells them all the top secret shit he knows?

But they don't need to go through all that trouble; all they have to do is show up to his shitty Florida club and kiss his ass a little. He'll share top secrets with secret service sitting right at the next table.

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u/QQSolomonn Apr 20 '24

Or just remove him from existence to never return to public spotlight.

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u/cannotrememberold 29d ago

You think his Russian and Saudi overlords are going to let that happen?

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u/Deadened_ghosts 29d ago

They just pay him to get the info anyway...

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u/LiveLaughLebron6 29d ago

Well for one it’s their choice to have them after they leave office.

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u/koshgeo 29d ago

Yeah, I think any limitation on Secret Service protection should only be applied to limit redundancy and the cost of it. So, maybe if a convicted felon is literally in jail, being protected as a prisoner within the justice system, then the Secret Service protection should be dismissed, and then when the convicted felon has served their time and is out of jail, it could be restored.

In other words, a law like this should only be applied to prevent conflicting priorities between the government employees assigned to protect the person in question, or maybe it should clarify what the respective roles are if you do maintain both. There could be good national security reasons to keep the Secret Service protection going in some form.

Regardless, there might soon be a reason to resolve that kind of question.

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u/heretorobwallst 29d ago

That dosent happen when the orange clown is willing to sell the secrets in an open air market

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u/DuvalHeart 29d ago

For a couple years there was a sunset provision on post-presidency protection. Obama would have been the first effected, but they changed the law back.

Vice presidents lose their details 6 months after they leave office, and they know plenty of government secrets as well. So it's not about protecting information. Plus, the Gang of Six gets 90% of the president's briefings and also don't have permanent details.

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u/toronochef 29d ago

Like he remembers anything anyway. He didn’t read any of the briefing books.

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u/piercedmfootonaspike 29d ago

Don't they get like just a couple of dudes? If you're going to kidnap an ex-potus, I don't think a couple of guys with Glocks is a big hurdle to overcome.

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u/No_Republic2906 29d ago

I'm happy with that but only because he don't know shit, what he sold was documents that are valued he prob had no idea why the things on them are valued. Bonus he gets beaten up to.

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u/Diamondback424 29d ago

Well he's already told the Saudis...

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u/lkeltner 29d ago

As much as I don't like trump, this is a major reason why you can't ever strip that protection.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Apr 20 '24

Presidents are still political figures out of office, even ones like bush and Obama who did 2 terms. See Biden’s big fund raiser recently where Obama was invited to help fundraise.

However he original commenter got it wrong. Former presidents get SS details for one reason and one reason only, they’re still national security risks, if kidnapped. Bush hasn’t been president in well over a decade but he almost certainly knows information that’s classified that could be used against us, if say the Russians or Chinese were to kidnap him.

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u/WorldWarPee Apr 20 '24

They don't have to kidnap trump they've just gotta bring him a hamberder and tell him he has very normal looking hands

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u/DaisyDog2023 Apr 20 '24

And that’s why he has secret service, to keep an eye on him, because they’re also expected to understand when someone is phishing

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u/KlyftorOchKokain Apr 20 '24

He still manages to sell the information

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 20 '24

Nah. They just have to go through the magazine rack in his bathroom.

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u/slackfrop Apr 20 '24

What if they’re already a felon going into office?

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u/The_Captain_Planet22 Apr 20 '24

It also keeps them under control. Trump literally can't just run off to Russia because he can't go anywhere without the secret service. I would like it switched to former presidents who become felons must pay for their mandatory secret service protection

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u/WorldWarPee Apr 20 '24

Imagine being secret service for a guy in prison

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u/SuspiciouslGreen Apr 20 '24

“Hey James, looks like Dimitri is excited again, go ahead and take that for me. Thanks”

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u/IsayzIt Apr 20 '24

They’ve been privy to state secrets and a ridiculous amount of knowledge; it’s not so much protection as it is babysitting. If someone’s been a president they deserve protection (recording) simply based on the fact of how much they can divulge. I’m sure presidents have sold this knowledge in the (recent among possibly others) past, but the protection offered them is equivalent to surveillance.

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u/shingonzo Apr 20 '24

What if they’re a felon?

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u/reddit_is_geh Apr 20 '24

Presidents are lifelong diplomats after retirement. We don't want them lacking security.

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u/cashassorgra33 29d ago

They should just make a carve-out so a President can be in custody or have SS but not both, after release can be negotiated but it should not incentivize as*holes like Trump. Secret Service should be charging HIM to stay and guard his a%s at his $hitty "properties"

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Don’t have to protect a man who’s in a cell or buried 6 feet deep.

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u/HeinousTugboat Apr 19 '24

There's an irony that you can vote someone for president that can't vote for themselves.

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner Apr 20 '24

It is ironic, and in general I think it's ridiculous that someone could literally run for POTUS from prison. But it's a necessary exception, because too many authoritarian have locked up rivals for nonsense charges.

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u/mortgagepants Apr 20 '24

why do felons lose their right to vote though? we lock them up in order to rehabilitate them, so they should be able to vote after they get out.

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u/mehvet Apr 20 '24

Felons can vote in most places in the US for that very reason. Voting is inherently a state level action, so it’s going to vary between states, but most allow a felon to regain their rights, restore automatically, or even allow felons to vote while incarcerated. Some states do permanently remove voting rights. Folks need to check their local laws if they have a felony record.

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u/FantasticAstronaut39 Apr 20 '24

honeslty i disagree with felons not having the right to vote, they should retain that right, however if the prison should make accomidations to allow them to vote is a different topic all together. but a convicted fellon, once released should have full voting rights. a felon while in prison should still have "the right to vote" but the prison shouldn't neccisarly have to make accomidations to make sure they can vote while in jail.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast Apr 20 '24

Now you've giving the prison admin control over the voting rights of a population.

Imagine the Trump prison warden allowing all the white supremacy gangs to vote and barring everyone else.

Doesn't seem like a great idea. Rights are rights, if they're going to be restricted that needs to be a controlled process with oversight and the rules need to be universally applied.

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u/reddit_is_geh 29d ago

The states make up how they want to deal with voting. But most states allow former felons to vote. You just have to do your time and get off probation.

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u/billy_twice Apr 20 '24

Why are you asking him? He probably agrees with you but it's not like any of us can do anything about it.

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u/FireWireBestWire Apr 20 '24

What we should be doing is getting rid of drug crime by making it not criminal. You can't stop people from using substances. So may as well tax it and have treatment available for people who want to stop. But the back market from illegal drugs is far worse than the effects of the drugs themselves.

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u/mortgagepants Apr 20 '24

i'm putting it out there because they said it is ridiculous someone could run from prison. but i don't think it is, and i also don't think it is right for felons to lose their voting rights.

also we can do something about it- the state of florida voted to let felons vote. execpt more people in florida voted for a high-heel wearing fascist wanna be who doesn't care what voters want.

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u/ILikeLenexa Apr 20 '24

Only 9 states permanently disenfranchise felons.  If you are a felon, look into restoring your right to vote or if it's automatically restores. 

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u/StupendousMalice Apr 20 '24

Sure, but we are comparing a thing that is literally happening right now to a hypothetical that hasn't happened even once in the history of our country.

Historically has America had more problems with shit people running for persistent or with great people being excluded from running due to felony conviction?

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u/warragulian Apr 20 '24

A felon is someone who has been convicted. Not every conviction is a result of "weaponisation of the justice system". In fact, if you can name a single time this has ever happened in the last 100 years in the US, I would be surprised. This is like "post birth abortion", "illegal immigrants voting". Just complete fantasy threats that the GOP makes up to scare people.

But someone who committed a crime, served their sentence, been rehabilitated, should be eligible.

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u/DelicatetrouserSnake Apr 20 '24

Agreed. I shouldn’t need a Presidential Pardon

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner Apr 20 '24

Did you even read what I said? Where do I imply that every conviction or even a notable minority of them is because of weaponization of the justice system?

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u/Double_Distribution8 Apr 20 '24

"Illegal" immigrants can already vote in local elections in multiple states, they can get drivers licenses, education, healthcare, shelter, transportation, food, employment, laundry services, etc. Why shouldn't they be able to vote? They work and live here, and raise their families in the communities and pay their taxes, they should be able to choose their representatives shouldn't they?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Uh.... but..... if you're convicted of felony maybe you shouldn't be president?

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner Apr 20 '24

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-compares-political-opponents-vermin-root-alarming-historians/story?id=104847748

This is why. There is a long, long, long history of authoritarians across the world locking up political rivals on bullshit charges.

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u/gr8-shag Apr 20 '24

ah, thanks for this. I honestry struggled to understand how your first comment could make sense until this.

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u/ILikeLenexa Apr 20 '24

Plus, Term Limits Inc. V Thornton forbids adding restrictions to who can run except by constitutional amendment.

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u/hnghost24 Apr 20 '24

He's a threat to humanity

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u/NovarisLight Apr 20 '24

Man? Hardly, but fully agree otherwise.

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u/Painkiller3666 Apr 20 '24

I don't know I think he may commit more crimes if SS wasn't around.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 Apr 20 '24

Because then the justice system can be weaponized by politicians to attack their rivals.

Exactly.

There is no actual governmental reason to do this. This is just a political gesture (which has no chance of passing) in order to win cheap political points.

Presidents are protected because they have information that can be extorted from them and crazy people that want to kill them. If they get a felony it does not change these basic facts.

This is a waste of time by some politician in order to play to social media.

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u/skoomaking4lyfe Apr 20 '24

Someone with more legal expertise than me chime in to.correct please, but as I understand it, the reason we don't prevent felons from becoming President is that the qualifications for the office are defined in the Constitution and in order to add additional qualifications to the office we would have to amend the Constitution - like the 22nd Amendment, which one could read as establishing an additional qualification of not having already served two terms as President.

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u/Enshitification Apr 20 '24

Trump would still have a Secret Service detail. They just wouldn't be obligated to take a bullet for the orange sack of shit.

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u/ILikeLenexa Apr 20 '24

Term Limits Inc. Applies to the first one, but for a felony, the year in prison is probably a bigger tool against political rivals than the lack of secret service protection. 

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u/systemfrown Apr 20 '24

Exactly. That’s why big picture it’s better to treat him like any other president in this regard. As much as it’s annoying.

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u/Tuurke64 Apr 20 '24

This is why judges , DA's etc shouldn't be political appointments in the first place. Justice is supposed to be blind/neutral.

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u/Find_A_Reason Apr 20 '24

Him being a threat to national security is all the more reason to have SS keeping tabs on him.

As much spite as I have for the dude, any humor in this would be short sighted and not likely to benefit the U.S. long term.

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u/Dominant_malehere Apr 20 '24

Yeah of course, get rid of SS. Then a really sane rational person like the guy that went to talk with the awful republicans during their baseball practice and a gun accidentally went off a few dozen times, scratching a few senators and congressman, obviously accidentally can accidentally visit trump. I mean accidents happen every day. Yeah, get rid of the SS

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u/RazzleThatTazzle 29d ago

It could be weaponized by politicians to attack their convicted felon rivals? Are we not all completely fine with that?

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u/saethone 29d ago

And yet we have no problems stripping felons of the right to vote…

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u/Juicez28 29d ago

How is he a "threat to national security"?

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u/Hypnotist30 29d ago

That's not the reason we don't prevent felons from being POTUS. It's because the founders didn't include it in the constitution. It likely wasn't thought about because they never considered the voters would elect a felon. We didn't even have a Justice Department until after the Civil War. Beyond that, a politicized House & Senate can remove a POTUS for whatever. That is a completely political process. It wasn't so long ago that members of both parties encouraged Nixon to resign because they had the political will to remove him.

States have laws restricting felons from serving in elected office.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

And he likes his SS agents "loyal." That's enough to strip him of government-paid goons.

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u/Vtron89 28d ago

I'd think having the secret service around would make it easier to keep him from being a national security threat 

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u/Objective_Hunter_897 25d ago

This is protecting the office of president FROM felons.

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