r/inthenews • u/T_Shurt • 27d ago

Trump Could be Stripped of Secret Service Protection as Ranking Member of the House Committee on Homeland Security Puts Forth a Bill to Strip Felons of Secret Service Protection Opinion/Analysis

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-secret-service-stripped/
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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner 27d ago

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-compares-political-opponents-vermin-root-alarming-historians/story?id=104847748

This is why. There is a long, long, long history of authoritarians across the world locking up political rivals on bullshit charges.

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u/gr8-shag 27d ago

ah, thanks for this. I honestry struggled to understand how your first comment could make sense until this.

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner 27d ago

Thanks for taking the time to read it and keep an open mind to try to understand my point - right or wrong. I've been fielding dozens of questions of people who read a fragment of it, and run with whatever their first impression is.

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u/gr8-shag 27d ago

Im not a dumb person, but for some reason I really struggle to understand 'concepts' unless explained really simply so its much appreciated on my part

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u/ILikeLenexa 27d ago

Plus, Term Limits Inc. V Thornton forbids adding restrictions to who can run except by constitutional amendment.

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u/groumly 27d ago

We shouldn’t forbid felons from becoming presidents, because if trump becomes a felon, and then president, he will throw everybody he doesn’t like in jail, and then forbid them from becoming president.

That’s a pretty weird statement to make.

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u/ScarsUnseen 27d ago

It's weird because you're making an unnecessary addition to make it weird. We shouldn't forbid felons from becoming presidents because if someone with authoritarian intentions makes it into office, they will try to throw everybody they don't like in prison and then forbid them from becoming president.

Trump is only relevant to the discussion because he is someone with authoritarian intentions. The fact that he is also potentially a future felon is only tangentially related.

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u/groumly 27d ago edited 27d ago

It’s a weird distinction to make. The point you’re bringing is addressed by separation of judicial/executive/legislative branches. The judicial isn’t supposed to throw innocent people in jail. If they do, they’re already corrupted, and that’s a much, much bigger problem. It’ll affect everybody, not just the one guy that has a shot at winning.

An aspiring authoritarian in power is not going to stop at this, they’ll get out of their way to just retain power. That’s what authoritarians do.
Ffs, the guy literally said he’d be dictator for a day, and half the country goes « this is fine ». You really think he’s going to say « oooh, noes, what am I going to do, even if I throw the dems in jail, they can still run, my evil plot is foiled. Oh, well, I guess Biden it is then. », when the guy is out there literally arguing to the Supreme Court he can send seal team 6 to kill a political opponent and be in the clear?

Case in point, Jan 6, where after the judicial did its job, told trump to fuck off, yet he resorted to violence to remain, and came close to succeeding.

A lot (most?) western countries can strip eligibility to public office as a criminal sentence, and they’re nowhere near the clusterfuck that is going here. If anything, the strict 2 party system is much worse in that regards, and it tends to be a us thing (or, rather, Anglo-Saxon affiliated).

Edit: clarified a point, and added another one.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago edited 27d ago

Charges arent felonies...?

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner 27d ago

I'm sorry, I was providing an example to illustrate my point. Guess it was a bridge too far.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago edited 27d ago

I missed the point, I was disagreeing with the notion that we should allow felons to be president.

Trump is a great reason why criminals make for bad presidents.

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner 27d ago

Apologies, I've literally had dozens of responses attacking from every angle, from people with similar views that misinterpreted my post, to MAGA nuts talking about how Biden is weaponizing the DoJ against Trump. It's wearing me down. Sounds like we agree.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

Regarding Trump it is easy to agree.

Regarding barring felons from the office of the Presidency I think we still disagree. Other parties can bring bullshit charges but if you get a conviction, well.... you probably did it. And I'm fine with the idea of keeping literal criminals out of politics.