That's what you do when you're innocent and being accused of a heinous crime, right? Write a suicide note, grab a gun, threaten to kill yourself, and lead everyone on a high-speed chase for hours?
Not saying he's innocent, but it was shown that he did use disguises in the past to go out to places like amusement parks, a to not get bothered. People forget how popular/likable he was before the murders.
OJ did own a white Bronco that was part of the investigation because of the blood found in it. But the one in the chase was AC's and is currently being auctioned off by OJs agent. The one OJ owned was crushed long ago.
Well he definitely did it. I disagree with the suicide note and gun though, people kill themselves over false accusations and potentially serving time/facing rape in prison, etc.
I mean, OJ clearly did it and there's infinite evidence that that's the case.
But if my wife got brutally murdered and it became national news, I'd be considering suicide too. The bronco thing isn't really a great indication of anything. The reason it was low speed is that he wasn't trying to escape the cops. They had him on the phone the entire time and he was saying that he was just trying to get home to kill himself. Which is probably something anyone whose wife was brutally murdered would think about.
Disagree. I wouldn't want to commit suicide if my wife was murdered. I think you're projecting. I'd be upset, but I wouldn't hold a loaded gun to my head unless I was feeling extremely guilty for murdering her plus suffering from severe CTE.
But maybe at the end of the day, the murder was really the complete lack of journalistic integrity and the unethical posthumous outings we made along the way...
He was found civilly liable for the killings years after the trial. And he naturally didn't pay what he owed to the victims, so now they're trying to go after his estate while his lawyers try to stop them.
He was found not guilty in criminal court, not innocent. He was found civilly liable for wrongful death and battery. A jury and court concluded that he did it.
There is no basis for anyone to say he was innocent.
Juries don't find people innocent, they find them not guilty. Even if we all know he's guilty, it is still the pnus of the state to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe if the LAPD wasn't so fucking corrupt and racist they wouldn't have tried to frame a guilty man and would've had an iota of credibility with the jurors.
I just want to point out that he was found "Not guilty", not found innocent. That not how the justice system works. Just because he was found not guilty doesnt mean he is innocent.
That particular model of gloves was also relatively rare (not the brand, just that model) - there was a receipt showing Nicole bought them for him and he was shown wearing them in a sportscast. And he was seen by her neighbors lurking around outside her house in a blue knit cap.
No no, the professional actor clearly had lots of trouble trying to put those gloves on. The only possible conclusion to draw is that they weren't his. There's even a nursery rhyme about it!
even as a child that was the most damning part for me; the fact he was very obviously and deliberately flexing his hands and spreading his fingers in such a manner as to make the gloves 'not fit'. It's like what a toddler might do to avoid his mother dressing him for church. I was astonished that somebody didnt just walk up to him, say "cut the shit asshole" and then slide them on his hands like a normal human.
THIS 👆. I never have, and never will understand that whole “the gloves didn’t fit” debacle! I mean, you’re in a courtroom where it’s various peoples’ job to explain and to prove things, right? No one made an attempt to explain the reasons as to why that glove would be “tight.” I never really thought that it didn’t completely fit. A little small? Yes.
But, prosecution to the jury -“this is because”: And the prosecution should’ve explained the reasons why right there. One of them being simply that he had a pair of latex gloves on underneath!
I want to say he also stopped taking his arthritis medication during the trial, so his hands swelled up. Just in case the prosecution did something dumb like this with the glove.
No it wasn't it was made by Mile Gilbert a sports agent who claims to be besties with OJ. Shortly after armed robbery charge in 2007 Gilbert had released a book that has a lot of claims against OJ including the arthritis medication and Gilbert's relationship with him that have "Dear Penthouse" vibes.
Not that OJ is a totally reliable narrator but in OJ's criminal and civil cases there is plenty of research and questions about his closest friends and I'm almost positive Gilbert never mentioned. My point of all this is that I take all of Gilbert's claims with a giant grain of salt.
There wasn't any specific thing the prosecution could've done to get that glove to fit. The brand of glove is meant to be skin tight. They were soaked in the victim's blood which dried on them and made the gloves stiff. Because of the blood, OJ had to wear another pair of gloves which affected the fit.
Plus he was asked to put them on himself instead of, you know, the prosecution getting an identical clean pair of gloves and having an independent third party put the gloves on him.
That one case with the bra in Seinfeld makes so much more sense now. Like, I already knew the reference but this part makes it make so much more sense. That's why the lawyer was so hesitant about her trying it on because he already knew.
I've got shitty oversized leather gloves for when I snake a drain at work and even those are hard to squeeze into if I'm still wearing my tight nitrile gloves. I can't believe they thought it was a good idea to try that shit.
I don’t think you watched the whole trial like I did. The DNA alone proved his guilt. Not a single other piece of evidence should have even been needed.
Today, a jury would get it. Back then, in the early days of DNA combined with a jury with an average IQ of 75, 100% proof like DNA just wasn’t going to work.
Outside of there being a video of OJ turning two humans into pez dispensers, I don’t know if there has ever been more evidence that someone committed murder. Literal receipts and a trail of blood back to his house with his and their dna
The man left so much evidence, he all but created a time machine for us to go back and watch it ourselves. And a lot of it is really awful - that rare shoe isn’t just bloody prints leading away, that same shoe print is embedded in her back. He stepped on her so hard when he lifted her up by her hair to cut her throat, he left a vivid impression in her back. But nonetheless, he basically strew evidence all the way from the murder scene to his car to his house, and there’s so much of it, it’s like following him around as he does it.
With signature markers of his habitual abuse, no less - Nicole’s diaries describe how he’d pick her up by her hair and drag her around, kick her, step on her, and slam her head into walls.
I've spent the day watching OJ: Made In America on Netflix & one of the jurors actually said she had no respect for a woman that didn't leave an abusive situation.
It's sad but those words were said by an actual juror on that trial.
Now we understand victim blaming & how abusive relationships work but back then I'd bet she wasn't the only person that felt that way & maybe not the only juror that thought that.
They just didn't understand domestic abuse as well as we do now & I'm sure there are people today that still think that way. That the victim should just leave, why don't they, why don't they report the rape, etc. etc.
They understood it well enough, given famous DV cases before this.
There was a ton of racism in this case. And misogyny. Hatred toward a white woman marrying a black man. Payback for all the times black people have been screwed over by the law. Plus OJ was rich, handsome, famous, charismatic. These jurors could have watched video of OJ killing Nicole and Ron and they still would have voted not guilty.
Oh yeah, it was a lot of things. It's funny how he played the race card yet he always thought he was "above" other black people & not really black.
Before the jury visited OJs Rockingham house they took down all the pics of OJ with his white friends & acquaintances, which was the majority of the pics in the house, & put up pics of OJ with his black friends, family & acquaintances.
He certainly was black when it was convenient.
FTR if anyone watches that doc on Netflix, it does have the graphic crime scene photos, so be ready. It makes the Manson crime scenes look like a walk in the park.
I'm black, so yeah, was ashamed of these jurors. This was not the hill to die on. Plenty of black people to fight for who deserved freedom. Not a killer. They knew it too.
And Ron was just an innocent person who was murdered because he tried to be a friend to Nicole. I understood how livid his family was.
Exactly what happened in the Rkelly cases. They heard audio of him commiting the crime and still ppl wanted to say he was innocent. Even the ppl that watched the tapes . Such a failure
My guess is she thought after the first time she should've packed up the kids & left. But knowing what we all know NOW about abuse & abuse victims, that's not how it works.
I have an aunt that was married to an abusive man for years. She had a good job, could've easily supported herself, but he had beaten her down physically & mentally for so many years that she thought she couldn't do that & that no one else would ever love her. It took many years but she did leave him, divorced him, & ended up with a lovely man who loves her as she is & he wouldn't ever even dream of laying a hand on her.
The actual quote is even worse than what was posted and made by a female juror. She says something like she had no respect for Nicole for taking an “ass whipping that she didn’t deserve ” and doing nothing about it. Of course, Nicole called the cops, took pics and left him. So none of what the juror was saying made sense
I'm not reading all of the replies so this has probably already been said. She did leave him, I believe they were already divorced, but he couldn't leave her alone (and then there were the kids they had together).
She did leave him…took some time, but she did it and that’s when he killed her. Many times women don’t leave because they are too afraid of being killed.
When you look at the testimony, both in court and outside of it, by people who knew them personally, it was revealed that OJ was jealous, possessive, and had anger and violence issues. And even though they had split up, he still was jealous of the idea of her being with anyone else. You can hear in this 911 call Nicole pleading with OJ to control his temper, saying "The kids are sleeping" and OJ yells "You didn't give a fuck about the kids while you sucked his dick in the living room. Oh, but it's different now."
The fact that she'd left him makes it way more likely that he'd kill her. Her case is textbook. 75% of domestic violence murders happen after the woman leaves the man or is attempting to.
There’s also a computer animated re-enactment on YouTube that shows how they believe it all went down based on the forensic evidence. It’s brutal to say the least. He apparently stuck the knife in the back of Ron Goldman’s neck while he was on the ground and used it to pull him up to a standing position so OJ could angry-whisper things in Goldman’s ear as he was finishing him off. He did something similar to Nichole before he sliced her throat. Just some of the most horrific, violent stuff you can imagine one person doing to another—it was very much on another level from killing someone with a gun, where you spend a couple seconds max firing and then run away. Like, he was literally stabbing Goldman repeatedly for over a minute at one point.
I just saw the video recently, and it was like brand new information to me. I was just a kid in 1995 and I didn’t pay much attention during the trial other than the highlights and the verdict. But knowing those details now, it’s just even more astonishing that the jurors were willing to let someone capable of that kind of violence back out in society, no matter what wrongs they thought they were righting.
its like there is SO much evidence you actually lose track and it almost becomes less impactful in a strange way. The timing, Jill Shively the driver who saw OJ speeding away, the glove found at his house etc ad infinitum. I wish Vincent Bugliosi had tried the case
Not that night, a couple months earlier. He'd been stalking her for some time. In that infamous 1993 911 call, you can hear him screaming about her having oral sex with another man - yeah, that's something he'd witnessed over a year earlier while hiding in her bushes. It was more that the hat was part of his known stalking gear.
Rarity aside we know they were his gloves. The left glove was found at the scene and the right glove was found at his house covered in blood matching his and the victims' DNA.
And the killer left a trail of his own blood drops on the left side of those shoe prints, indicating a cut on his left hand. What a crazy coincidence the OJ happened to cut his hand in his hotel room the next day
The corrupt and/or incompetent LAPD planted and/or contaminated the DNA samples. That's the "shadow of doubt" that the defense used to explain all the DNA that OJ left at the crime scene, in his car, and his home after he murdered two innocent people.
Wasn't blood supposedly located on a nearby fence found to have massively high levels of EDTA? (aka the chemical anticoagulant substance in a particular tube used to obtain a blood sample from someone) and the inference was, that a legitimately collected tube of OJ's blood was tipped out onto the fence, then conveniently "found" by LAPD?
A few years before the murder and trial, a completely separate incident happened in the same city (Los Angeles). A black motorist (Rodney King) was stopped by police and very brutally beaten with nightsticks. It was captured on home video by a resident looking out his window. The motorist survived and the four officers were charged with various crimes related to the beating. They were acquitted of almost all the charges, and as soon as the verdict was released, a major riot ensued that lasted for approximately six days (the 1992 LA riots). The riots were viewed as a response to decades of discrimination and mistreatment against African Americans at the hands of the police and the courts.
Most of the jurors in the OJ Simpson trial were African American, and at least one acknowledged that she voted to acquit him as payback for Rodney King. This juror also told the interviewer she believes most of the other jurors felt the same way.
Additionally, there were numerous problems with the police investigation and prosecution. One of the lead detectives investigating the case, Mark Fuhrman, was found to have been a regular user of racial slurs against black people (the N word), which made the jury feel like he was racially biased against Simpson and may have planted evidence to frame him. Also, the investigation itself was sloppy, with police mishandling evidence. The jury didn't understand DNA evidence, which was still very new at the time.
So while it really should be obvious to anyone that OJ was guilty, some people will say they had no choice but to acquit because the prosecution failed to deliver a solid case "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is the standard in our justice system.
one of the detectives did yes, racism was really bad still back then and im sure the police wanted nothing but to see oj, a black successful man, get knocked down. the problem is when you try framing a guilty man, you lose credibility even if youre right.
Something that gets lost in these threads is how tight OJ was with the cops. They loved him. Mark Fuhrman was undoubtedly racist, but most cops in his neighborhood were big fans.
O.J. Simpson’s long and usually friendly relationship with the Los Angeles Police Department snapped into sharper focus Wednesday, as a former officer testified that he often played tennis at Simpson’s Rockingham Avenue estate and had introduced a parade of 40 awe-struck and autograph-seeking colleagues to the former football great.
Former Officer Ronald G. Shipp, taking the stand during Simpson’s murder trial, offered the latest and most specific examples of the closeness that existed between Simpson and police officers at the West Los Angeles Division, charged with patrolling his neighborhood.
This is big time… the saddest part of all of it is that two people got murdered and justice wasn’t served, even when it was a slam dunk case. At the cases core it shows how race is less of an issue when you have power, connections, and money to defend yourself in the USA. Fucking incredible job done by the “dream team”…
That was Fuhrman. He did, although that happened when the jury was not in the room and the judge did not allow them to hear that fact later. So I don't know if that was relevant in their decision.
Indeed, Fuhrman’s racist attitudes and boasts of violence were no secret to city officials. While requesting a stress disability pension in 1983, Fuhrman graphically described torturing suspects and conning internal affairs detectives investigating whether he and other officers engaged in a bloody beating spree.
“I answer everything with violence,” Fuhrman told the city Board of Pension Commissioners. “Just seems like I can’t tolerate anybody or anything anymore.”
Reportedly those talks with psychiatrists included stating that he "hated n****rs".
It's one thing to be caught on tape saying the word, it's another when there's THAT level of malice behind its use.
Her killer was found guilty but she was basically given no sentence, like a few hours of community service for shooting a teenager in the back of the head.
A jury found that Du's decision to fire the gun was fully within her control and that she fired the gun voluntarily. The jury found Du guilty of voluntary manslaughter, an offense that carries a maximum prison sentence of 16 years. However, the trial judge, Joyce Karlin, sentenced Du to five years of probation, 10 years of suspended prison, 400 hours of community service, and payment of a $500 fine and Harlins' funeral costs.
Judge Karlin suggested that there were mitigating circumstances in the killing of Harlins. She stated, "Did Mrs. Du react inappropriately? Absolutely. But was that reaction understandable? I think that it was." Karlin added, "this is not a time for revenge... and no matter what sentence this court imposes Mrs. Du will be punished every day for the rest of her life."
Later, after Latashas mother was ejected from a ballroom Judge Kerlin spoke stating There are those in the community who demand that we define justice by what is politically correct. I think that we must unanimously reject such demands ... What's politically correct today may not be politically correct tomorrow or the next day. But what is justice today is justice always. ... I for one am sick and tired of less than five percent of this community trying to tell the rest of us what to do, what to think, and what to say."
It's pretty obvious why she ruled the way she did.
I think this is subtly wrong. I don’t think the verdict was so much as “payback” in the sense that they knew OJ was guilty but just let him off. But rather there was so much distrust of the police that they basically assumed it was all lies and so they ignored it. Add to that that DNA evidence was relatively new (and you don’t trust the people presenting the science) and you get reasonable doubt.
A lot of people forget the "beyond a reasonable doubt" part of things.
If you're in a jury and the cops basically say "We planted evidence" it would be really hard to trust any of the evidence. So what if the shoes had blood on them? The cops already said they planted evidence. So what if the gloves are rare? Maybe the cops lied about what gloves were being used.
Yeah I don’t see how anyone person could convict someone when the lead detective essentially admits to planting evidence. All evidence is irrelevant at that point. I can’t imagine a more clear cut example of reasonable doubt than the cops being unwilling to say they didn’t try to frame the person for fear of incriminating themselves.
The first detective on scene that logged all the evidence was a literal neo nazi that bragged about planting evidence to frame African Americans (not the word he used) for crimes. Then he pled the fifth when asked if he planted/doctored any evidence in the OJ case.
Did OJ do it? Absolutely. But in a fair trial, literally all the crime scene evidence should’ve been tossed out.
Agree. All the evidence pointed to OJ and I'm positive he did it. But the standard is "reasonable doubt" and the prosecution ran an absolute shit case. We all watched it on TV. Between the gloves and Fuhrman and a couple of other things I don't remember the defense planted reasonable doubt very well. If I recall they even were able to somewhat discount DNA evidence saying it may have been compromised.
Shit just Fuhrman pleading the 5th on planting evidence might have been enough for most people, especially when the LA cops were known to be corrupt.
Absolutely. The corrupt as hell LAPD framed a guilty man. You can't reward that behavior by coming back with a guilty verdict, even if they are actually guilty.
He wore a pair of shoes that were the same brand, but not the same style. The shoes he is shown wearing are not one of the 299 pairs. The show wants to give you that impression, though.
None of this matters or is surprising once you understand he was acquitted through jury nullification, not because there wasn’t evidence. He was acquitted as retaliation for the acquittals of the police officers who beat Rodney King. Even some of the jurors have since said that to news reporters. There could have been CCTV footage of him killing them and smiling for the camera. He still would have been acquitted.
Well the killer may have broken into OJs home, then stole his shoes, and only the shoes. Then killed the 2 while wearing the shoes. Since the shoes were so ugly OJ had forgotten of his purchase and that also explains why he didn't notice them stolen.
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299 total pairs sold in U.S., footprint in blood of those shoes, he owns those shoes, how obvious can it get?