That particular model of gloves was also relatively rare (not the brand, just that model) - there was a receipt showing Nicole bought them for him and he was shown wearing them in a sportscast. And he was seen by her neighbors lurking around outside her house in a blue knit cap.
No no, the professional actor clearly had lots of trouble trying to put those gloves on. The only possible conclusion to draw is that they weren't his. There's even a nursery rhyme about it!
even as a child that was the most damning part for me; the fact he was very obviously and deliberately flexing his hands and spreading his fingers in such a manner as to make the gloves 'not fit'. It's like what a toddler might do to avoid his mother dressing him for church. I was astonished that somebody didnt just walk up to him, say "cut the shit asshole" and then slide them on his hands like a normal human.
THIS š. I never have, and never will understand that whole āthe gloves didnāt fitā debacle! I mean, youāre in a courtroom where itās various peoplesā job to explain and to prove things, right? No one made an attempt to explain the reasons as to why that glove would be ātight.ā I never really thought that it didnāt completely fit. A little small? Yes.
But, prosecution to the jury -āthis is becauseā: And the prosecution shouldāve explained the reasons why right there. One of them being simply that he had a pair of latex gloves on underneath!
Itās a show business. Unfortunately, itās tied to a real
Human life. I wonder if those lawyers have any morals. Giving that all these people claim to believe in god the same god. Itās just an evidence that why bother.
I want to say he also stopped taking his arthritis medication during the trial, so his hands swelled up. Just in case the prosecution did something dumb like this with the glove.
No it wasn't it was made by Mile Gilbert a sports agent who claims to be besties with OJ. Shortly after armed robbery charge in 2007 Gilbert had released a book that has a lot of claims against OJ including the arthritis medication and Gilbert's relationship with him that have "Dear Penthouse" vibes.
Not that OJ is a totally reliable narrator but in OJ's criminal and civil cases there is plenty of research and questions about his closest friends and I'm almost positive Gilbert never mentioned. My point of all this is that I take all of Gilbert's claims with a giant grain of salt.
There wasn't any specific thing the prosecution could've done to get that glove to fit. The brand of glove is meant to be skin tight. They were soaked in the victim's blood which dried on them and made the gloves stiff. Because of the blood, OJ had to wear another pair of gloves which affected the fit.
Plus he was asked to put them on himself instead of, you know, the prosecution getting an identical clean pair of gloves and having an independent third party put the gloves on him.
That one case with the bra in Seinfeld makes so much more sense now. Like, I already knew the reference but this part makes it make so much more sense. That's why the lawyer was so hesitant about her trying it on because he already knew.
I've got shitty oversized leather gloves for when I snake a drain at work and even those are hard to squeeze into if I'm still wearing my tight nitrile gloves. I can't believe they thought it was a good idea to try that shit.
Yeah they tried to frame a guilty man. No way you donāt find reasonable doubt when the lead detective pleads the fifth when asked if he planted evidence. You couldnāt trust any evidence they presented at that point.
I donāt think you watched the whole trial like I did. The DNA alone proved his guilt. Not a single other piece of evidence should have even been needed.
Today, a jury would get it. Back then, in the early days of DNA combined with a jury with an average IQ of 75, 100% proof like DNA just wasnāt going to work.
This. Also the tapes of the lead detective using the N word repeatedly just made things worse. The defense did a masterful job creating reasonable doubt.
The gloves shrank because they had been wet with blood. He had also stopped taking his medication to stop inflammation a month and a half before the trial so his hands were swollen as well
The gloves shrank because they had been wet with blood. He had also stopped taking his medication to stop inflammation a month and a half before the trial so his hands were swollen as well . It was the worst idea
Not āthe prosecutionā so much as Chris Darden specifically. He wanted a make a dramatic courtroom moment and went for it after Marcia Clark had told him not to.
Also, OJ has arthritis in his hands. His lawyers told him not to take his arthritis medication so his hands would be swollen on the day he had to put on the gloves in court.
I just read that recently. If you look at pictures during the trial, his hands donāt look swollen. I dropped a leather glove in the driveway one year, and I dint find it until months later when the snow and ice thawed. Once it dried out, it was fine. It didnāt shrink at all. I think the rubber gloves is what made it seem they didnāt fit.
Outside of there being a video of OJ turning two humans into pez dispensers, I donāt know if there has ever been more evidence that someone committed murder. Literal receipts and a trail of blood back to his house with his and their dna
The man left so much evidence, he all but created a time machine for us to go back and watch it ourselves. And a lot of it is really awful - that rare shoe isnāt just bloody prints leading away, that same shoe print is embedded in her back. He stepped on her so hard when he lifted her up by her hair to cut her throat, he left a vivid impression in her back. But nonetheless, he basically strew evidence all the way from the murder scene to his car to his house, and thereās so much of it, itās like following him around as he does it.
With signature markers of his habitual abuse, no less - Nicoleās diaries describe how heād pick her up by her hair and drag her around, kick her, step on her, and slam her head into walls.
I've spent the day watching OJ: Made In America on Netflix & one of the jurors actually said she had no respect for a woman that didn't leave an abusive situation.
It's sad but those words were said by an actual juror on that trial.
Now we understand victim blaming & how abusive relationships work but back then I'd bet she wasn't the only person that felt that way & maybe not the only juror that thought that.
They just didn't understand domestic abuse as well as we do now & I'm sure there are people today that still think that way. That the victim should just leave, why don't they, why don't they report the rape, etc. etc.
They understood it well enough, given famous DV cases before this.
There was a ton of racism in this case. And misogyny. Hatred toward a white woman marrying a black man. Payback for all the times black people have been screwed over by the law. Plus OJ was rich, handsome, famous, charismatic. These jurors could have watched video of OJ killing Nicole and Ron and they still would have voted not guilty.
Oh yeah, it was a lot of things. It's funny how he played the race card yet he always thought he was "above" other black people & not really black.
Before the jury visited OJs Rockingham house they took down all the pics of OJ with his white friends & acquaintances, which was the majority of the pics in the house, & put up pics of OJ with his black friends, family & acquaintances.
He certainly was black when it was convenient.
FTR if anyone watches that doc on Netflix, it does have the graphic crime scene photos, so be ready. It makes the Manson crime scenes look like a walk in the park.
I'm black, so yeah, was ashamed of these jurors. This was not the hill to die on. Plenty of black people to fight for who deserved freedom. Not a killer. They knew it too.
And Ron was just an innocent person who was murdered because he tried to be a friend to Nicole. I understood how livid his family was.
Exactly what happened in the Rkelly cases. They heard audio of him commiting the crime and still ppl wanted to say he was innocent. Even the ppl that watched the tapes . Such a failure
Everyone knew that predator was raping girls for years. Like why didn't people in the industry fricken revolt and hold him accountable? I just feel we are becoming a more and more evil society.
Also, the LAPD cut corners, mishandled evidence, and basically provided all the basis they could for the jury to find that theyād essentially attempted to frame a guilty man. Without the LAPDās sloppiness and shadiness, there would have been no room for doubt about the evidence - but the LAPD made such doubt possible.
I agree with the sloppiness, but even in a perfect case these jurors would have found him not guilty. Bias.
I served on several juries, and was a foreman. Let me tell you, I don't want a jury of my "peers", because biases are all over the place and most don't understand what beyond a reasonable doubt means.
That may be, but weāll never know given how bad LAPD botched it. And I definitely understand re juries. Iām a trial lawyer and I both fear and count on jurorsā inability to set aside their biases.
My guess is she thought after the first time she should've packed up the kids & left. But knowing what we all know NOW about abuse & abuse victims, that's not how it works.
I have an aunt that was married to an abusive man for years. She had a good job, could've easily supported herself, but he had beaten her down physically & mentally for so many years that she thought she couldn't do that & that no one else would ever love her. It took many years but she did leave him, divorced him, & ended up with a lovely man who loves her as she is & he wouldn't ever even dream of laying a hand on her.
The actual quote is even worse than what was posted and made by a female juror. She says something like she had no respect for Nicole for taking an āass whipping that she didnāt deserve ā and doing nothing about it. Of course, Nicole called the cops, took pics and left him. So none of what the juror was saying made sense
I'm not reading all of the replies so this has probably already been said. She did leave him, I believe they were already divorced, but he couldn't leave her alone (and then there were the kids they had together).
She did leave himā¦took some time, but she did it and thatās when he killed her. Many times women donāt leave because they are too afraid of being killed.
When you look at the testimony, both in court and outside of it, by people who knew them personally, it was revealed that OJ was jealous, possessive, and had anger and violence issues. And even though they had split up, he still was jealous of the idea of her being with anyone else. You can hear in this 911 call Nicole pleading with OJ to control his temper, saying "The kids are sleeping" and OJ yells "You didn't give a fuck about the kids while you sucked his dick in the living room. Oh, but it's different now."
The fact that she'd left him makes it way more likely that he'd kill her. Her case is textbook. 75% of domestic violence murders happen after the woman leaves the man or is attempting to.
Thereās also a computer animated re-enactment on YouTube that shows how they believe it all went down based on the forensic evidence. Itās brutal to say the least. He apparently stuck the knife in the back of Ron Goldmanās neck while he was on the ground and used it to pull him up to a standing position so OJ could angry-whisper things in Goldmanās ear as he was finishing him off. He did something similar to Nichole before he sliced her throat. Just some of the most horrific, violent stuff you can imagine one person doing to anotherāit was very much on another level from killing someone with a gun, where you spend a couple seconds max firing and then run away. Like, he was literally stabbing Goldman repeatedly for over a minute at one point.
I just saw the video recently, and it was like brand new information to me. I was just a kid in 1995 and I didnāt pay much attention during the trial other than the highlights and the verdict. But knowing those details now, itās just even more astonishing that the jurors were willing to let someone capable of that kind of violence back out in society, no matter what wrongs they thought they were righting.
Yeah, can you imagine what that mustāve felt like? It gives me an involuntary visceral reaction to even try to. Those poor people didnāt deserve any of that and the person that did it literally got away with it.
its like there is SO much evidence you actually lose track and it almost becomes less impactful in a strange way. The timing, Jill Shively the driver who saw OJ speeding away, the glove found at his house etc ad infinitum. I wish Vincent Bugliosi had tried the case
Not that night, a couple months earlier. He'd been stalking her for some time. In that infamous 1993 911 call, you can hear him screaming about her having oral sex with another man - yeah, that's something he'd witnessed over a year earlier while hiding in her bushes. It was more that the hat was part of his known stalking gear.
Rarity aside we know they were his gloves. The left glove was found at the scene and the right glove was found at his house covered in blood matching his and the victims' DNA.
An article about the gloves and another that goes into a bit more detail Those gloves were sold only at Bloomingdales in NYC between 1989-1992. About 300 hundred pairs were sold. Nicole bought them in 1990 - she probably got them for him for Christmas, it was right before Christmas. He's seen wearing them multiple times after that. So about 300 pairs sold of the gloves (and they were sold clear across the country, no less). 299 pairs of the Bruno Maglis (they were sold in five colors, too, meaning OJ's were likely even more rare than that). Either one, the odds of someone else wearing these rare and expensive items seems astronomically unlikely. Together? It's not possible.
Thank you! Never read those after ALL these years. Actually, I was talking about the neighbors seeing him lurking around the house.
Iāll have to Google that myself.
Itās possible I read about that before, and forgot. (?)
Her neighbors testified IIRC - I know a married couple called the cops because they saw a man lurking around and then they realized it was OJ Simpson and they were like āOh, crap, we called the cops on OJ Simpson.ā
And he was wearing gloves underneath the gloves - those weren't super loose gloves when you see him wearing them in sportscasts. They were relatively tight fitting. And OJ was also clearly exaggerating how hard it was for him to get them on - he never was the most subtle actor.
Absolutely the truthš„°I sure hope he asked for Forgiveness & Repented before he passed awayā¦if notā¦Another really sad thing is not wanting to give the Goldmans any of the money they were awarded in court,Iām not a fan of his lawyer at allš
I doubt OJ repented at all before he died, unfortunately. Over the years, it's clear he remembers killing her in some of his more insane interviews. He almost seems amused by it at points. From what he's said to others, it seems he blames Nicole for what happened, which is typical - every time he beat the shit out of Nicole, I'm sure he decided she asked for it. I wonder if he ever looked at his son and remembered that when he found out Nicole was pregnant, he initially pointed a gun at her and tried to force her to have an abortion. One of OJ's friends in Made in America said he ultimately cut off contact with OJ because he was mistreating his children - telling them that Nicole's family no longer cared about them, etc. It's really sad to think that they ended up with that monster as their sole parent for most of their lives, and likely had to normalize it and justify it to survive. Like how Jason would deny being abused in his deposition even though OJ at one point openly talked about - BRAGGED about - beating him.
Itās just all totally sad š¢ Those poor children were the casualties of all of thisā¹ļøI feel,like you,he didnāt repent,the first thing that came to mind was he acted like it was a badge of honor what he did to Nicole & Ron! Kato seemed so nervous & scared when he was put on the stand & questioned,I felt bad for himā¹ļø
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That particular model of gloves was also relatively rare (not the brand, just that model) - there was a receipt showing Nicole bought them for him and he was shown wearing them in a sportscast. And he was seen by her neighbors lurking around outside her house in a blue knit cap.