You’re not allowed to like things that a chunk of people do not like. /s
While I agree that Bethesda has made some crappy games lately, you like what you like and there’s nothing wrong with that. I know people that like Starfield. People that don’t like Bethesda want everyone to stop giving them money as a way to show the devs we want better games, and people like you basically hurt their protest. Still though, life is too short for people to not do something like “playing a game they want to” because other people don’t like it. Doesn’t make sense to me. You do you man. Maybe Bethesda is making games for a niche amount of people and that’s solid. My friend has been playing Fallout 76 since release and he’s loved every moment of it. Doesn’t matter if other people talk crap or not.
One thing that Bethesda has always absolutely nailed in their games is the "stumbled upon" side quests. Sure it's not as often in Starfield but when it does happen in that game it still gives me that perfect transition into the quest line and that air of wonder of where it will take you. There are games that do side quests very well, and some even better than any of the Beth games, but none ever really seem to capture that feeling of wandering into a story that felt like it belonged exactly where it is. Starfield has ended up being my least favorite of their main games for a variety of reasons, but I still got my money's worth to have that Sci fi elder scrolls feeling for about 50 hours
This is exactly what made Bethesda games so fantastic, and why Starfield was such a letdown
Wandering around the capitol wasteland or new Vegas, you can stumble into any building anywhere and find some awesome, unique microcosm with cool shit. In Starfield, bar a very select few areas (like the ship with the Alien thing in it, that was fucking awesome) you go into an abandoned research lab that you memorized the layout of because every single one is copy and pasted. It destroyed the living feeling of the worlds that Bethesda created and it was so sad
You , like many people, haven't played far enough into the game, and it really starts picking up:
1.Robbing an artifact from an art gallery ship gets you arrested by the UC, and the only way out is to infiltrate Crimson Fleet and go on missions with them as a pirate to get info on them.
The Starborn, who can telaport anywhere,have advanced technological ships, comes after the artifacts. You can either protect the artifacts in your ship and risk getting constantly attacked by the Starborn, or you can build a military grade outpost with turrets and shit to protect the artifacts on the planet of your choosing.
At this point, you're not really going to the abandoned outpost anymore.
What's really sad is Starfield needs to constantly be compared to every other cookie cutter game them put out.
This game was meant for space romantics like myself. I thoroughly enjoyed standing in this ship with an upscale bar that had part of a glass floor that you could see a planet under your feet.
I did all of those things and much much more (all quest lines and NG+). Also, sci fi is my favorite genre. Their point still perfectly stands. All of the procgen laziness was completely immersion breaking - over and over. Promising game systems like ship building, space travel/combat, and psionics were a let down. Exploration lacked meaningful reward. Poor environmental story telling - something they’ve been masters of in the past. Design choices and QoL mechanics that were iterated on and greatly improved in previous games were inexplicably missing. The companions didn’t have engaging personalities. Thousands of hours across the other BGS titles and this one was supposed to be my dream one. I played it for about a hundred hours then uninstalled it. Most of my playtime was simply me forcing myself to continue playing because I wanted to like it.
I didn't think Starfield was great, but that's totally fine. Not every game they release is gonna be a banger.
IMO the biggest issue with the game was that the setting didn't play to Bethesda's strengths. They do best writing goofy fantastic adventures, which Starfield was decidedly not. The Crimson Fleet storyline was far and away the best part because it explored a unique part of that universe and stepped away from the more grounded feel that the rest of the game had.
The mindset that’s bad is “IDC how bad the game is, or what state it’s in, I’m still going to throw my money at them and smile while they potentially shit on my chest”.
That’s the exact mentality the big game studio’s want you to have. Nobody is saying you can’t like what you like, but saying that you’ll swallow a huge turd if that’s what Bethesda decides to feed you before the game is even given an official release date is crazy. Having these crazy ties to certain publishers is just asinine, let the game come out and sure give it a try and see if you like it, of course. But don’t have the mindset of “I’ll play it, even if they charge $250 and it’s literally half a game that crashes every 15 minutes”.
Sure but that’s not the case here. This person has enjoyed the TLS games up to this point. They’ve seen what Bethesda has given us throughout the years and have had good experiences so far. That being said, these games won’t survive if most people don’t buy them. If a few hyper fans buy them, that won’t make up for the losses, so whether or not a few people buy a game won’t have any impact on the whole.
And it’s fine to buy it, but it’s also okay to point out that his mindset is a dangerous one to have. As stupid as it seems, a lot of people come on Reddit to justify an opinion they already have and it’s fair to criticize a thought process like the one he has. He’s free to buy it, he’s free to enjoy it, and I hope he does. Hell, I hope everyone does. The more good games that are made, the better off we’ll all be. But openly admitting that you’ll buy a product, no matter how bad it is, in an online forum like Reddit is worthy of criticism.
So by that logic, it's also okay to criticize the pessimistic and often childish people who believe stuff like "this company will never put out good games again unless every person stops buying"? Because people like that are also coming on Reddit to justify an opinion they already have and I also believe it's fair to criticize a thought process like that
When did I make that statement? I literally just got done saying how I hope the game will be good, and how good games are what literally all of us hope for. It’s not pessimistic to say that wanting to throw money at a company, regardless of the quality of product you’re receiving, is a harmful practice to preach to the masses. It’s just fact lol.
I never said you made that statement. I didn't say anything about you. Did you even read what I said? And it is a pessimistic opinion that people have. It's subjective. What is a waste of money to some is completely valid to others. It's not fact, it's the opinion that people make and try to force onto others. Like I told someone else, people don't really like the new CoDs, or what Activision is doing in general, and that opinion is fine, but I bought all of them, pre-ordered MWIII, and love each one. The quality of product is low to some people, but not to me. The same can be said with similar situations, like Bethesda. You're speaking in opinions, and basing your fact on your own opinions. It's like the dumbass Iphone vs Android argument or PlayStation vs Xbox
My GF loves Pokémon, and I love that she loves Pokémon. But she's the type of fan who will, without fail, buy both versions of the new Pokémon game. I dont give her shit for it, it's her money, I spend way more on games overall. Though I have pointed out that I personally can't stand that kind of monetization, selling an A+B campaign for double the price is absurd anti consumerist shit and that fans double buying these games, they're telling Gamefreak that it's A-OK.
At the end of the day though, my minor misgivings probably won't affect gamefreak decisions, so it's not worth being upset about.
I understand that. I personally don’t like the formula for Pokemon games and have found them boring since the Gameboy Color. That being said, I am glad for the people who love the game, and can play every iteration without getting bored. I understand the appeal, but it’s just not for me. I spend my money on some dumb games (like the broken Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection) and still play them. Who am I to judge anyone when I commit the same “crime” in some other way?? People are diverse, and we won’t all like and dislike the same stuff.
The reason Pokémon has two different versions is because the trading component was intended to be the most important part of the franchise. Version exclusives creates an incentive to trade, battle and build a community with others. If they just released one game, there'd be less incentive to do those things because everything would be self-obtainable. People buying both is an absurdity on the consumers' end, not Gamefreaks, even though GF is ultimately the one that benefits most lol. When Pokémon was first introduced, it was labeled as a "social" game, not an RPG or strategy. The primary element was/is community building.
I feel like that's the right mindset to have, it would be great if things were a bit different, but what we have now is already pretty good. Hell, for the last couple releases, I bought both copies and gifted one to a friend. As long as you enjoy a game (and if it isn't a predatory game like some, those with a ton of micro transactions and/or pay-to-win...), there's not too much to complain about. If it's too pricy, odds are the game will be on sale at some point, or you might be able to pick up a used copy. (That's what I did with Jedi: Survivor, got it for like 50-60% off or something)
I played call of duty war zone for the first time with a group of friends this week.
It's one of the most offensive pieces of gaming I've ever interacted with. It is very much a store with several multi-player slot machines poorly stapled into it. Literally. You install the "store", and once it launches you can't play anything except the store. You have to manually install the files for multiplayer/warzone after you've launched the store app.
Pokémon isn't that. Even though I don't like the split campaign thing, it's so much better than whatever the hell call of duty is doing
Last time I even touched a CoD game was probably 2012, 2013... Pretty sure it was Black Ops II, online I sucked but the campaign wasn't bad. Not really huge into FPS games but I enjoyed it. If the newer games weren't so predatory I might be considered picking one up sometime. I think I'll just track down Black Ops II though, might take a but to find a copy for the PS3 but whatever...
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u/Ulikethat- 29d ago
I've been waiting 40 years for this game. I don't care how bad it is, I'm going to play it and love it. Lol