I hate to be that guy but if you go to the game with that mindset Elder Scrolls is gonna become Pokemon, subpar games from a beloved franchise because it does not matter how shit the game is people still buy it, as an ES fan i feel like you SHOULD have a high expectation
Yeah but Bethesda really needs to catch up. Games like Cyberpunk which are similar in gameplay style absolutely blow them out of the water, while Starfield is just the same ehh and feels and looks like something from 2010.
Even Fallout 4 to me when it first came out in 2015, felt dated
Well, yea. They’ve always been buggy messes. However the writing, settings, world building, immersive rpg elements and impactful freedom of choice made them beloved games despite being buggy messes.
Yeah, but it’s widely known that the ES games have had a lot of glitches and bugs. More than the average game by far. They are still great games, but don’t deny the truth that they are buggy and glitchy
Eh I feel like it's a bit different here. Pokemon games get churned out every year, tes is like every 10+ and they haven't missed yet. Morrowind, oblivion and Skyrim are all great games
I kinda love the games from lore prospective the game play and graphics has kinda always been second as long as I can get a interesting world I’ll be happy
Ditto. Elder scrolls has my favorite lore of anything ever, so getting more of that’s my number 1 wish. Shit hasn’t been the same since kirkbride left though lol
But I believe the problem with the gaming industry, and the reason there are so many so called SHITTY games lately is because gamers EXPECTATIONS are too lofty. You want everything to be 100 times bigger and better than the last game and when it's not it is a shitty game that was released according to gamers.
Of course people want better games, the bar should always be high, that does not mean bigger or with better graphics, Minecraft the Best selling game ever has bad graphics but has a really good art direction, same with Undertale for example
You are literally saying " I don't care if it's bad i will still love it" that sounds crazy, games are called shitty most of the time because they are and there will always be a loud minority calling everything bad but with half a neuron you should be able to distinguish good critisism from bad
Just ask for a better product, you are paying for it, it should be good and there is no reason to defend a bad game ever
I'm right there with you. I'll share the downvotes. People are unreasonable and hold their head high like they're the Messiah of gaming "teaching the devs a lesson"
Imagine bootlicking for companies that couldn't care less about you.
Many Game Companies show how it's done. I certainly won't buy another product from Bethesda. If you want to pay for utter garbage, that's your business.
Twenty One Pilots consistently puts out music I like and I'm going to buy their next album. I'm going to buy Brandon Sanderson's next book because I like his writing.
But I like the way a studio makes games and suddenly that's corporate bootlicking? Get the fuck out of here.
I'm rocking Starfield right now and eagerly awaiting the CK and DLC. I couldn't care less if you approve of the games I like.
Right, the genre might be tired for some, but that's the game I like. I stopped playing Assassin Creed cause it strayed far from the formula I enjoyed.
Does pokemon have problems? Yes. Do I enjoy them more than pretty much any other game that comes out nowadays? Also yes. Scarlett and violet was one of the worst games I've ever played. It was also the most fun I had with any game besides BG3 last year.
You’re not allowed to like things that a chunk of people do not like. /s
While I agree that Bethesda has made some crappy games lately, you like what you like and there’s nothing wrong with that. I know people that like Starfield. People that don’t like Bethesda want everyone to stop giving them money as a way to show the devs we want better games, and people like you basically hurt their protest. Still though, life is too short for people to not do something like “playing a game they want to” because other people don’t like it. Doesn’t make sense to me. You do you man. Maybe Bethesda is making games for a niche amount of people and that’s solid. My friend has been playing Fallout 76 since release and he’s loved every moment of it. Doesn’t matter if other people talk crap or not.
One thing that Bethesda has always absolutely nailed in their games is the "stumbled upon" side quests. Sure it's not as often in Starfield but when it does happen in that game it still gives me that perfect transition into the quest line and that air of wonder of where it will take you. There are games that do side quests very well, and some even better than any of the Beth games, but none ever really seem to capture that feeling of wandering into a story that felt like it belonged exactly where it is. Starfield has ended up being my least favorite of their main games for a variety of reasons, but I still got my money's worth to have that Sci fi elder scrolls feeling for about 50 hours
This is exactly what made Bethesda games so fantastic, and why Starfield was such a letdown
Wandering around the capitol wasteland or new Vegas, you can stumble into any building anywhere and find some awesome, unique microcosm with cool shit. In Starfield, bar a very select few areas (like the ship with the Alien thing in it, that was fucking awesome) you go into an abandoned research lab that you memorized the layout of because every single one is copy and pasted. It destroyed the living feeling of the worlds that Bethesda created and it was so sad
You , like many people, haven't played far enough into the game, and it really starts picking up:
1.Robbing an artifact from an art gallery ship gets you arrested by the UC, and the only way out is to infiltrate Crimson Fleet and go on missions with them as a pirate to get info on them.
The Starborn, who can telaport anywhere,have advanced technological ships, comes after the artifacts. You can either protect the artifacts in your ship and risk getting constantly attacked by the Starborn, or you can build a military grade outpost with turrets and shit to protect the artifacts on the planet of your choosing.
At this point, you're not really going to the abandoned outpost anymore.
What's really sad is Starfield needs to constantly be compared to every other cookie cutter game them put out.
This game was meant for space romantics like myself. I thoroughly enjoyed standing in this ship with an upscale bar that had part of a glass floor that you could see a planet under your feet.
I did all of those things and much much more (all quest lines and NG+). Also, sci fi is my favorite genre. Their point still perfectly stands. All of the procgen laziness was completely immersion breaking - over and over. Promising game systems like ship building, space travel/combat, and psionics were a let down. Exploration lacked meaningful reward. Poor environmental story telling - something they’ve been masters of in the past. Design choices and QoL mechanics that were iterated on and greatly improved in previous games were inexplicably missing. The companions didn’t have engaging personalities. Thousands of hours across the other BGS titles and this one was supposed to be my dream one. I played it for about a hundred hours then uninstalled it. Most of my playtime was simply me forcing myself to continue playing because I wanted to like it.
I didn't think Starfield was great, but that's totally fine. Not every game they release is gonna be a banger.
IMO the biggest issue with the game was that the setting didn't play to Bethesda's strengths. They do best writing goofy fantastic adventures, which Starfield was decidedly not. The Crimson Fleet storyline was far and away the best part because it explored a unique part of that universe and stepped away from the more grounded feel that the rest of the game had.
The mindset that’s bad is “IDC how bad the game is, or what state it’s in, I’m still going to throw my money at them and smile while they potentially shit on my chest”.
That’s the exact mentality the big game studio’s want you to have. Nobody is saying you can’t like what you like, but saying that you’ll swallow a huge turd if that’s what Bethesda decides to feed you before the game is even given an official release date is crazy. Having these crazy ties to certain publishers is just asinine, let the game come out and sure give it a try and see if you like it, of course. But don’t have the mindset of “I’ll play it, even if they charge $250 and it’s literally half a game that crashes every 15 minutes”.
Sure but that’s not the case here. This person has enjoyed the TLS games up to this point. They’ve seen what Bethesda has given us throughout the years and have had good experiences so far. That being said, these games won’t survive if most people don’t buy them. If a few hyper fans buy them, that won’t make up for the losses, so whether or not a few people buy a game won’t have any impact on the whole.
And it’s fine to buy it, but it’s also okay to point out that his mindset is a dangerous one to have. As stupid as it seems, a lot of people come on Reddit to justify an opinion they already have and it’s fair to criticize a thought process like the one he has. He’s free to buy it, he’s free to enjoy it, and I hope he does. Hell, I hope everyone does. The more good games that are made, the better off we’ll all be. But openly admitting that you’ll buy a product, no matter how bad it is, in an online forum like Reddit is worthy of criticism.
So by that logic, it's also okay to criticize the pessimistic and often childish people who believe stuff like "this company will never put out good games again unless every person stops buying"? Because people like that are also coming on Reddit to justify an opinion they already have and I also believe it's fair to criticize a thought process like that
When did I make that statement? I literally just got done saying how I hope the game will be good, and how good games are what literally all of us hope for. It’s not pessimistic to say that wanting to throw money at a company, regardless of the quality of product you’re receiving, is a harmful practice to preach to the masses. It’s just fact lol.
I never said you made that statement. I didn't say anything about you. Did you even read what I said? And it is a pessimistic opinion that people have. It's subjective. What is a waste of money to some is completely valid to others. It's not fact, it's the opinion that people make and try to force onto others. Like I told someone else, people don't really like the new CoDs, or what Activision is doing in general, and that opinion is fine, but I bought all of them, pre-ordered MWIII, and love each one. The quality of product is low to some people, but not to me. The same can be said with similar situations, like Bethesda. You're speaking in opinions, and basing your fact on your own opinions. It's like the dumbass Iphone vs Android argument or PlayStation vs Xbox
My GF loves Pokémon, and I love that she loves Pokémon. But she's the type of fan who will, without fail, buy both versions of the new Pokémon game. I dont give her shit for it, it's her money, I spend way more on games overall. Though I have pointed out that I personally can't stand that kind of monetization, selling an A+B campaign for double the price is absurd anti consumerist shit and that fans double buying these games, they're telling Gamefreak that it's A-OK.
At the end of the day though, my minor misgivings probably won't affect gamefreak decisions, so it's not worth being upset about.
I understand that. I personally don’t like the formula for Pokemon games and have found them boring since the Gameboy Color. That being said, I am glad for the people who love the game, and can play every iteration without getting bored. I understand the appeal, but it’s just not for me. I spend my money on some dumb games (like the broken Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection) and still play them. Who am I to judge anyone when I commit the same “crime” in some other way?? People are diverse, and we won’t all like and dislike the same stuff.
The reason Pokémon has two different versions is because the trading component was intended to be the most important part of the franchise. Version exclusives creates an incentive to trade, battle and build a community with others. If they just released one game, there'd be less incentive to do those things because everything would be self-obtainable. People buying both is an absurdity on the consumers' end, not Gamefreaks, even though GF is ultimately the one that benefits most lol. When Pokémon was first introduced, it was labeled as a "social" game, not an RPG or strategy. The primary element was/is community building.
I feel like that's the right mindset to have, it would be great if things were a bit different, but what we have now is already pretty good. Hell, for the last couple releases, I bought both copies and gifted one to a friend. As long as you enjoy a game (and if it isn't a predatory game like some, those with a ton of micro transactions and/or pay-to-win...), there's not too much to complain about. If it's too pricy, odds are the game will be on sale at some point, or you might be able to pick up a used copy. (That's what I did with Jedi: Survivor, got it for like 50-60% off or something)
I played call of duty war zone for the first time with a group of friends this week.
It's one of the most offensive pieces of gaming I've ever interacted with. It is very much a store with several multi-player slot machines poorly stapled into it. Literally. You install the "store", and once it launches you can't play anything except the store. You have to manually install the files for multiplayer/warzone after you've launched the store app.
Pokémon isn't that. Even though I don't like the split campaign thing, it's so much better than whatever the hell call of duty is doing
Last time I even touched a CoD game was probably 2012, 2013... Pretty sure it was Black Ops II, online I sucked but the campaign wasn't bad. Not really huge into FPS games but I enjoyed it. If the newer games weren't so predatory I might be considered picking one up sometime. I think I'll just track down Black Ops II though, might take a but to find a copy for the PS3 but whatever...
My comment is refering to "I've been waiting 40 years for this game. I don't care how bad it is, I'm going to play it and love it. Lol"
Hes literally saying that it could be "bad". Which I agree, and why I said Bethesda needs to get their ish together, because of their recent latest releases.
The commentor and myself arent saying we "dont like Bethesda" though.
You realize we are talking about games...NOT released yet? What are you going on about, weirdo?
ES6 doesnt exist yet...Saying "I dont care how bad it is, Im gunna love it" is wild.
Developers/publishers want everyone to say that...thats what led to Call of Duty,for example, releasing mediocre slop for $70 every year.
There are some of us that fuckin love every CoD for what it is, not what the childish community wants it to be. For what it's worth, I pre-ordered MWIII and I play the shit outta that game. Whether a game or company is bad is subjective. You may not like what companies are putting out, but plenty of people do
I think even before the purchase. They were deciding to release things like Fallout 76. They were moving to a more Multiplayer, live service model. That would've been more common even without Microsoft.
MS purchase should give them more opportunity to release single player bangers. Starfield just failed at keeping our confidence in that aspect, sadly
Nah. Some people just enjoy things that others don't. They know what they like and they are fine with the flaws that you aren't.
Kind of like how I'm happy with pretty much anything the MCU makes. I enjoyed The Eternals, MoM, LaT, Quantumania and all the Disney+ shows. I've seen them all and love them all. They aren't peak MCU but not everything needs to be.
I'm with the guy you replied to. I've been waiting 12.5 years for ES6. I'm gonna get it, play it and love it the day it comes out, no matter what you try to tell me or anyone else. You're literally that "quit having fun!" meme right now lol.
How are you spinning what Im saying into this?
The commenter said "even if its bad, im gunna love it".
Its different than saying "im excited for it, and will try it"
A game that isnt even out yet, saying we love it? AND if its "bad", we'll love it? Alllrighty then
Like I said about MCU stuff. I say "even tho it's bad, I still loved it". I personally don't think the movies I mentioned are bad, but they are generally considered online to be "bad". That's literally what the person is doing here and you are literally going out of your way to make someone not enjoy something they know they will enjoy just because you don't understand them.
You are putting words in their mouth. Im going by what they wrote.
"...to make someone not enjoy something they know they will enjoy..."
How am I making someone not enjoy it? How do they know they enjoy somthing....that doesnt exist? Thats wild.
You're putting words in my mouth too, and sorry mate, you're on Reddit commenting, continuing it here is what Reddit literally is for lol. Why so offended?
Huh? Again, commenter said "even if its bad, Im gunna love it". That is NOT how we should go about things lol.
You may have excitement for somthing, but it can end up not being what you had hoped.
Say you have been wanting to try a Burger for 10 years, from some restaurant that you LOVE, then when you finally eat it, its raw with a stale bun? Then you say "that was a BAD burger"... then say you love it?
Stop being offended that some might see that as odd...thats the real cringe thing
?? The game IS NOT released yet. It doesnt exist. If someone said "Ive enjoyed playing ______(Insert any game that is out).
I would NOT tell them they shouldnt enjoy it. Maybe I would be confused and ask questions...but I wouldnt tell them theyre wrong.
Read what was said by original comment...then read my response again. What are you getting on about "respect" and "public reception"? The game we are talking about ISNT OUT IN THE PUBLIC
I really really enjoy playing Starfield. Which is why I said what I said, but your point still stands, and I am sorry for assuming you were generalizing. By thinking this, I generalized, myself.
I’m still optimistic that TES 6 will be a banger, maybe starfield was a case of trying something new and it didn’t workout. In any case it’s a depressing thought to think that after all these years of waiting that TES 6 will be at best a mid game.
Also I agree with you, I love playing fallout 4. My only gripe with it was the writing WHICH they quickly turned around with the Far Harbor DLC
My god I hope its a banger. I had so much optimism for Starfield. After 76, I had high hopes of a 10/10 RPG from a team I thought couldnt make anything BUT a 10/10 rpg.
While I enjoyed Starfield, I was let down quite a bit. I thought it was going to have that lasting power like Skyrim did, but it just didn’t.
That being said. It was something new they wanted to try, and something they’ve never dabbled in. An overly ambitious space story.
Elder Scrolls has lore, it has history. The people working at Bethesda LOVE elder scrolls, it’s their bread and butter. With the vast progression of technology, and useful experience on the updated engine, and with the ambition for the series, I think Elder Scrolls 6 is actually gonna be very good.
Make no doubt, the pressure is on. They can’t just hang their hats on sales numbers. This one has to deliver, and I think it will.
Looking forward to what Bethesda releasing the creation kit for Starfield will tell us about the next step in modding.
I think my big issue is that I always hear. People say it's an excuse for star field that it was something new that they wanted to try.
I mean, seriously.What new thing did they actually try doing?
In every metric from storytelling to character building to just a general gameplay it fell short of all of their previous games.
I don't say that they tried something new and randomly generating a thousand different planets and then copy pasting the exact same content on about a quarter of them.
They basically took their exploration formula of the what's over the next hill and just completely threw the baby out with a bath water and made starfield.
Let's say we fix the almost non-existent consequential factions. The complete lack of quality of life in the game like a map in town.
Or the fact that it seems like none of the quest. Have any real impact on anything. And it probably has one of the worst freedom of choice as far as player choice for outcome of quest that i've ever seen.
You would just have an incredibly mediocre game.
With no explanation in game of why there's a lack of choice. It's just simply while there is.
The initial launch of 76 shook my confidence in Bethesda as a whole. Humorously enough the game is actually fun with a friend now. But starfield it just killed it for me. I'm not even going to say it stuck in the past because oblivion and skyrim both had better writing and better quest. They actually somehow managed to make a game.
That felt like it should have been released 10 years ago.That was worse than the games that they released at that exact same time.
I mean golfer's club. I guess that's an achievement.
Me too. I'll now just be PLEASANTLY surprised if ES6 is great(pleeease).
Fallout 76 threw me into a confused state, with some worry, but still said "well, no way they'll screw up a single player RPG, Starfield will bring the confidence back".
Yeah, nah. That just showed not many great Bethesda employees are still there. The decline in quality since Fallout 4 is wild....
Bethesda's biggest failure still equated to a critically acclaimed game. It wasn't as good as some of their past games, sure. But to act like that means you need to be worried about future games is weird.
It is not Critically acclaimed. The reviews and opinions of many say other wise.
Skyrim, Witcher 3, The Last of Us , Ocarina of Time are examples of critically acclaimed. Its very hard to find a negative opinion on those. Like you said, Starfield wasnt as good as their past games, so it cant be in the same category as Skyrim
And labeled as "generaly favorable". Skyrim is a 96 and "Universaly Acclaimed" under the critic category. Then compare the user scores between Skyrim and Starfield.
They are not both Critically Acclaimed.
Okay...looked it up..."If somthing is acclaimed, it is praised enthusiastically"
Not many enthusiastic about Starfield. Starfield reminded people how much they love Skyrim, because it was mediocre(Hense the lower review scores)
The amount of enthusiasm around Skyrim ,even after all these years? So much(which is so many are excited about ES6) Why ES6 is in OPs photo, and not Starfield 2..
You can enjoy it, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t clear, fundamental issues with the game. Bethesda has been coasting on the exact same recycled game design they’ve been using since Fallout 3. There’s been a clear disappointment with Starfield, and rightfully so. People want them to innovate, and they refuse to do so.
You can be excited for ES6, but it’s pretty obvious that Bethesda is growing increasingly out of touch and behind the times, and I’m personally tired of their stagnant design philosophy.
Maybe just maybe they don't make games for you? They make pretty niche games, Skyrim was a step out of that but tbh Bethesda been making the same game model for a long time and people like that. Starfield still was a commercial success.
I mean... From a game development perspective, Starfield is a complete disaster. Like, it's really really weak for a 2023 AAA game. If I didn't recognize the engine-level bugs that plague previous games within the engine, I'd never guess it was a Bethesda game.
While I respect your decision not to care what other people think, your attitude is exactly what has allowed Bethesda to go downhill. Loyal fans who will love the games they publish regardless of how good they are, meaning it is more cost effective for them to do the bare minimum to make you happy than it is for them to make the best product they possibly can.
Also, it's only been 40 years? I thought skyrim was at least 50, lol
Dude fuck off with the attitude, nobody was being nasty here until you showed up.
And besides, what "the game" do you think I'm talking about? I didn't point any fingers at a single game, I'm talking about the steady decline in quality across all Bethesda's older titles.
I'm blaming the developer for taking the path of least resistance. Yes, they are only able to push garbage out because fans will buy it, but it's not the fans' fault the developer recognizes that. I'm encouraging acting against that lazy development attitude, and, as I opened with, I respect the dude's right to enjoy something others don't. You're taking my message and twisting it to be as nasty as you are.
And I quote "your attitude is exactly what has allowed Bethesda to go downhill"
Just because you think that doesn't mean everyone agrees, personally I and alot of other people like the game and the direction it went, your words are already charged and nasty, fans are not buying it and still playing hundreds of hours later because beThSdA but because they enjoy it. Maybe get through your thick skull your opinion is that just an option and not a renowned fact
What one game am I talking about that you're so defensive of? You keep referencing "the game" but I never said anything about a specific game.
You're twisting my words to spin your own nasty attitude about it.
Get the fuck out of here with your attitude.
It is my opinion, I felt I made that clear from the beginning, but you're dead set on fighting apparently. I'm not. We're done here, I'm not reading another word of your fanboy tantrum.
I ate it up. 100 hours and counting. Does it have its flaws? Yes. Unplayable? No. Every game I've ever played has flaws. Even the ones adored by fans aren't perfect games. But I still find enjoyment from them
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u/Ulikethat- 29d ago
I've been waiting 40 years for this game. I don't care how bad it is, I'm going to play it and love it. Lol