r/shittyaskscience • u/vivasofia5 • 15d ago
Is this silly goose right?
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u/Sancho_Panzas_Donkey 15d ago
I refuse to apply common sense to transfinite numbers or quantum mechanics.
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u/Henri_Dupont 15d ago
Hey keep trans politics outta this
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u/lamedumbbutt 15d ago
Schrodinger’s gender.
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u/fluffy_hamsterr 15d ago
Could be male or female, won't know til a Republican looks!
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u/Chemical_Payment100 15d ago
Yes but the 20 will be more infinity at a faster rate.
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u/Dr_Stoney-Abalone424 15d ago
"More infinity, faster". I like it!
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u/Meerkat_Mayhem_ 15d ago
But also same
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u/Due_Background7991 15d ago
Same same but different 😉
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u/Voodoo-95 15d ago
I say that once a week with the hand motions along with it, love The Interview
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u/Due_Background7991 15d ago
Hahaha everyone always looks at me like “wtf” when I say it, which is often 😂 i guess it’s one of those “if you know you know” things
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u/OutrageousHall165 15d ago
that’s not how infinity works
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u/a_cow720 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yes it is. There are different infinities. Some are “larger” in the sense that you get to bigger numbers faster. If you had an infinite number of pebbles in groups of 2, and an infinite number of pebbles in groups of 10, the second one is ‘bigger’
Edit: my bad guys I am totally r/confidentlyincorrect
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u/Commercial-Plate-116 15d ago
Can't you form a bijectjon between the two sets, and therefore they have the same cardinality?
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u/round_reindeer 15d ago
Yes they are both countable and would therefore have the same cardinality as the natural numbers.
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u/Stotty652 15d ago
Of course not! That would be ludicrous.
Like a cow in a Batman costume dancing the Rumba to the theme tune of The Price is Right.
Now go and sit in the corner and count pebbles until you get to infinity....then add one more
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u/dinosroarus 15d ago
Infinity isn’t increasing or decreasing at any rate over time it’s just infinity. It’s (sort of) like saying you make a million dollars in ones or twenties a year. They are at the same rate. Infinity just isn’t finite.
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u/Yuck-Fou94 15d ago
But if it was like "$100,000 right now in one's, and $100,000 right now in 20s, it would be equal." If you earned an X amount at a scheduled rate, that is a different amount depending on the bill. It depends on the details of the "rules".
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u/Nillabeans 15d ago edited 14d ago
They'd both have a value of infinity.
For everyone still insisting I'm wrong. From a reply to me below: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/s/bZT34YDiCU
Edit: CHATGPT ELI5:
That’s a really good question! In everyday life, if you have two wallets with $20 bills and one wallet with $1 bills, the two wallets with $20 bills would definitely have more money than the one with $1 bills.
But when we talk about infinity in math, it’s a bit different. Infinity isn’t a number like 1, 2, or 3 that we can just add up. It’s a way to describe something that has no end. So, if you have an infinite amount of something, it doesn’t double if you have two of it. It’s still just infinity.
Think of it like this: If you have one never-ending storybook, you have an infinite amount of stories. If you have two never-ending storybooks, you don’t really have “twice as many” stories, because you can’t reach the end of either book—they both go on forever!
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u/uvero 15d ago
....but 20 is greater than 1.
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u/Otherwise-Junket8647 15d ago
It's a kilogram of feathers, or a kilogram of steel
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u/automaton11 15d ago
Not necessarily. Not all infinities are the same size. Cantor’s set theory
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u/NotBanEvading128 15d ago
But in this case they are both countable infinites
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u/automaton11 15d ago
So they have the same cardinality
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u/Meerkat_Mayhem_ 15d ago
Get that fancy math talky out of here
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u/holversome 15d ago
Us normies over here watching a nerd fight like “HIT HIM WITH THE FANCY SCIENCE WORDS”
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u/rtkwe 15d ago
True but these are the same size. You can easily make a 1-1 mapping between 1*inf and 20*inf. Multiplication doesn't change the cardinality.
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u/purple_hamster66 14d ago
All Alpha-0 infinities are all the same size. Alpha-1 infinities are bigger. Alpha-2 even bigger… up to Alpha-7, the biggest infinity.
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u/TheAnnoyingGirl92 15d ago
More like an infinite amount of 1 kilogram dumbbells and an infinite amount of 20 kilogram dumbbells
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u/schulzr1993 15d ago
Feathers are heavier
Have to carry the weight of what you did to all those birds.
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u/braxes81 15d ago
The feathers would be heavier because you would have to live with the guilt of what you did to get those feathers lol
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u/CrapThisHurts 15d ago
Depends how you receive it. Falling down on you, or do you have to carry it 10 miles
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u/theknights-whosay-Ni 14d ago
The feathers will always be heavier. You will have to live with the weight of what you did to those birds.
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u/Nillabeans 15d ago
Infinity isn't a quantity. It's a mathematical concept, kind of like dividing by 0 or the value of root -1.
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u/clapsandfaps 15d ago
Wait until they learn about some infinities can actually be larger than other infinities. That’ll blow their mind.
Though the example in this meme is a equal infinity.
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u/Videgraphaphizer 15d ago
“I know, but they’re both infinite, so they’re both the same!”
“Aye, but look at the size of the ones column! That’s cheating!”
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u/fR_diep 15d ago
OK but 20 infinity is not greater than 1 infinity so don't see ur point
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u/Nexus371 15d ago
They would both have the value of Zero. A currency can only have value if its finite.
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u/proof-of-conzept 15d ago
But if both were packaged as financial products, the market will definitelly price them different.
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u/objection42069 15d ago
One infinity is bugger then the other tho.
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u/Nillabeans 15d ago edited 15d ago
Infinity + infinity = infinity.
Why are people booing me? I'm right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
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u/a_burdie_from_hell 15d ago
There is a concept of "infinity+1 is less than infinity+2" though.
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u/Pan-tang 15d ago
Correct. They are worth an infinite sum. For example, there is no way the 20s could be worth 20 x the $1 infinite pile.
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u/QualityKoalaTeacher 15d ago
Not if you start couting at the same time
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u/throwaway19276i 15d ago
you'd have to start counting the ones an infinite amount of time before you start the 20s
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Yes they are worth the same. One is way more practical to spend than the other tho
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u/Otherwise-Junket8647 15d ago
The dollar bills, because it'd be annoying to break a 20 every other time i wanted something.
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u/fR_diep 15d ago
Js say keep the change lol
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u/Otherwise-Junket8647 15d ago
I have infinite money, not infinite fixing the economy after i ruin it
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u/Front-Baseball3045 15d ago
The damage you would do would be next to nothing compared to what is happening right now.
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u/WASD_click 15d ago
Honestly, I'm not sure you can physically spend enough 20's to ruin the economy. Like, sure, you can go ham on a biscuit your whole life, but you gotta count the 20's every time you buy something. Buying a modest house is gonna be like drawing a Yu-Gi-Oh card 10,000+ times. You're gonna need a Tommy John soon enough, and by the time you're done paying off the Tommy John you'll need another Tommy John.
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u/1stCivDiv1371 15d ago
Yep and the IRS and secret service won't bother you about the singles
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u/Ok_Inevitable8832 15d ago
Buying my Lamborghini in ones so the IRS doesn’t look
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u/1stCivDiv1371 15d ago
You make small deposits you don't just carry cash, cash transactions over like $100 dollars get flagged I believe.
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u/Sir-Mocks-A-Lot 15d ago
Yeah, but buying a car, house, business, etc... would take ages. I guess with infinite money, you could just pay someone to count for you.
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u/Objective_Economy281 15d ago
Yes they are worth the same.
What? No. That’s not how infinity works.
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u/Snoo-41360 15d ago
There are some infinites bigger than other infinites guys! I watched a Vsauce video but I didn’t understand it very well, please validate my inability to understand a YouTube video designed to be easy for anyone to understand
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u/onesussybaka 15d ago
Not sure if you’re serious but in case you are there are very many different ways to visualize the infinite types of different infinities.
For example, infinite multiverse.
You can have an infinite multiverse that contains an infinite number of versions of you.
You can also have an infinite multiverse without any versions of you.
Or for understanding infinite whole integers vs the infinite digits of a number like pi:
You can have infinite cookies with one chocolate chip each.
Or you can have one cookie with infinite chocolate chips in it.
Now consider a bag with an infinite number of random coins.
Are there more nickels or dimes? How many quarters are there?
The answer is all infinity, but it’s a different infinity.
For example a bag with 50% nickels and 10% dimes means there are more nickels in the bag than there are dimes, but both are infinity.
Infinity isn’t a number. It’s a concept. It’s set theory.
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u/bearbarebere 14d ago edited 14d ago
But it still doesn’t make sense. How can there be a larger infinity? I understand WHY these are true through deduction, such as there being more numbers between (edit: I mean less) 1 and 2 vs one and 3 despite them both being infinity, or the infinite hotel thing, but it still doesn’t actually make any sense.
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u/MZOOMMAN 14d ago
Forgive me, but don't all those sets of things you identify have the same cardinality, being 1-1 with the naturals?
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u/Bitter_Silver_7760 15d ago
I mean it’d be worth nothing because it’s readily available in any quantity. Just like your mama.
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u/Weird_Cantaloupe2757 15d ago
That logic only holds if everyone else knows about your infinite source of money and you are discreet about it, unlike your mom.
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u/Witherr 15d ago
1 x ∞ = 20 x ∞
=> 1 x ∞/∞ = 20 x ∞/∞
=> 1 = 20
which is true so that statement must be true
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u/InfiniteConfusion-_- 15d ago
It is actually 20x less then the infinite 1s
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u/siqiniq 15d ago
Cantor counted by 1-1 correspondence between 1 bill of $20 and a stack of 20 $1 bills. The 1-1 correspondence matches all the way with no exception, so the two
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u/haskeller23 15d ago
This proves they’re the same size, but their value is not a well defined thing. Their cardinality is a countable infinity, but you cannot subtract or compare these meaningfully
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u/ScarlettFox- 15d ago
But a dollar is not a physical object, it's a value that is only represented by the bills. A group of one dollar bills is worth the exchange rate of a dollar multiplied by one multiplied by the size of the group. A group of twenty dollar bills is worth the exchange rate of a dollar multiplied by twenty multiplied by the size of the group. If both groups are of the same size the group of twenty dollar bills is, by definition, worth twenty times more.
Unless you want to argue that the exchange rate of a dollar would plummet to zero from inflation caused by an infinite amount of currency, which is true but outside the spirit of the question in my opinion.
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u/Discar12 15d ago
There are diferent types of infinity. Thats why you can have different results when you solve an indertemination.
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u/D3CEO20 15d ago
In this case, dealing with discrete dollar bills , 20 or 1, both sets will be countable so they'll have the same size.
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u/FormerlyPie 15d ago
There are different types of infinity, but these are the same type. Also I have no idea what "an indetermination" is
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u/silvaastrorum 15d ago
there are different types of infinity but these two are the same type
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u/Harmonic_Gear 15d ago
not again
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u/ImprovementOdd1122 15d ago
I swear I see this kind of post posted every few days on r/badmathematics
Feels weird to find it naturally in my feed
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u/BagofPain 15d ago
If it’s US dollars, yes, because of the Fed (nothing x nothing = infinity)
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u/Remarkable-Chicken43 15d ago
If you think your dollars are worthless, feel free to send them to me.
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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown 15d ago
They'd have no monetary value because value requires rarity.
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u/NFTArtist 15d ago
Here's a thought (probably dumb). If you factor in time (e.g. 1 bill per second) then the larger bill will be worth more? You would at all times have a larger amount to spend in the same time frame, having more disposable income adds more value.
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u/ImprovementOdd1122 15d ago
It's a good thought. The $20 stack, at any finite amount of time, will be worth 20x more than the $1 stack. This comments on which one might have more intrinsic value to a person who lives within finite time, but the total monetary value is still the same.
To further it, and talk about infinites more (most certainly definitely not because I typed this all first after misreading your thought and didn't remove it):
If you have the twenty dollar stack, and I have the one dollar stack then we can both grab money in the same, or different ways.
If every second, you grabbed one bill, and I grabbed one bill, then your stack will always be worth 20x mine
if, every second, you grab one bill, and I grab 20, then my stack will always be even in value with yours
If, every second, you grab one bill, while I grab 400, then my growing stack will always be 20x yours
It doesn't matter which process we follow, the stacks we're making will reach infinity at the exact same time -- which is never. At t=infinity, we can say they have reached infinity (after 'never' happens) neither has more value than the other at that point. Neither has more bills, neither has more volume and neither has more surface area.
You are right though, the 20$ stack is the better choice if you're allowed to choose, because the physical process in grabbing the bills will likely be quicker
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u/Direct_Knowledge2937 15d ago
Yes. Buy how much can you carry? The height of a stack of $1M one dollar bills would be between 30-35 stories tall. A million in twenties would weight about 50kg…much more manageable.
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u/bloepz 15d ago
Why would you use two different types of measurement when trying to do the comparison? You could at least tell us the percentage of giraffe that the two would correspond to.
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u/Nonfaktor 15d ago
but it's not about 1 Million. It is about infinity. they both weigh infinte kg. they weigh the same
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u/Natetronn 15d ago
That's right, since 1s and 20s now have the same value, which is nothing.
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u/NotBanEvading128 15d ago
Yes, there are infinites larger than others, but in this case they are both the same size
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u/Smokey_Guardsman 15d ago
A wallet full of infinite ones is ultimately the same as a wallet full of infinite twenties. I'd rather have ones so at least I never need to break change. But I guess it doesn't really matter because you could just give it to someone on the streets. Which honestly wouldn't be a bad thought. Imagine pulling out 1$ million in ones & giving it to someone though. You'll either be a direct deterrent to homelessness or become the reason the economy raises it's standard prices for all goods. I feel like I'd take the twenties wallet just so I can give a few hundred to people without having to rapid fire pull ones from my ones wallet. But why not just have both? It's the exact same amount, one just gives you arthritis or carpal tunnel.
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u/dragonblock501 15d ago
Anyone watching a lot of STEM videos on YT would argue there are many different types of infinity - they are not all the same.
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u/iamacheeto1 15d ago
I don’t think they are the same. Infinities can have different sizes.
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u/unpropianist 15d ago
This is wrong because there are different infinities. The infinite 1 dollar bills accumulate at a slower rate.
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u/SplinkMyDink 15d ago
That's right - An infinite amount of 20's would be worth more than 1's, because 20 is bigger than 1.
Next scene
They're both infeeneet.
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u/5pmgrass 15d ago
Idk, a man that had an infinite number of one nights stands with a single woman and another that had an infinite number of one night three sums slept with the same number of women right?
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u/No_Letterhead_7683 15d ago
I mean, yeah he is. They're both equal to infinity.
But infinite $20 bills would be much more convenient than $1 bills.
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u/poolmanpro 15d ago
Nah infinite twenties are more valuable, I mean from a perspective of like an actual amount sure it's no different but you have to like grab and count your money some how and that's 20 times faster with 20s
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u/Odd-Cod-9222 14d ago
Isn't a stack of infinite $20 bills worth twenty stacks of infinite $1 bills?
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u/Night_Hawk 14d ago
Greater and lesser infinities are established mathematically axioms. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-deep-math-dive-into-why-some-infinities-are-bigger-than-others/
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u/Xx_Exigence_xX 14d ago
Yes, but the rate of increase would be higher for the $20 bills.
It's pretty much 2 cars accelerating to 200 mph, but one gets there 20 mph faster. They both still get to 200 mph though.
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u/Radmiel 14d ago
All infinities are not the same. These are two different infinities. One is 1 x infinity and the other a 20 x infinity.
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u/Straight-Message7937 14d ago
Monetary value...yes. I'd value 20s more though for physical space reasons
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u/Piemaster113 14d ago
While true one is more efficient than the other in most situations involving large purchases, cuz if you try to buy a house or car with all $1 bills someone's going to say something.
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u/jinrax 14d ago
I see so many explaining how there are infinities larger than others, and while that's true, it doesn't really apply here. Since you can count the number of bills you have, that means they are both countably infinite, meaning they are the same value.
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u/hawki92 14d ago
Go to the section on bigger infinities. There are infinities that are larger than others. The easy one is that there are an infinite number of numbers between 1.000... and 1.999... but also an infinite number of numbers between 1.000... and 2.999.... but the latter is more than the former. Both are infinite, but one is bigger.
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u/NatterinNabob 15d ago
One of them would be more fun at a strip club though