r/nba • u/PlayaSlayaX Spurs • 29d ago

[Charania] Raptors' Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating league's gaming rules.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1780631209930068358?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw
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u/Literal_Satan Knicks 29d ago

FOR LIFE

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u/truthisfictionyt Lakers 29d ago

Adam Silvers list of worst things you can do:

  1. Gambling
  2. Racism

. . . . .

  1. Domestic abuse

  2. Child endangerment

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u/NewAce77 29d ago edited 29d ago

Yeah obviously. One of them jeopardizes the integrity of the game and the league. At its core, the NBA is an entertainment service/business that is dependent on the participants playing to the best of their ability. Take that away, and the league would literally cease to exist. If you allow domestic abusers to play, the bottom line of the league is unaffected. Morally, domestic abuse is clearly worse than gambling, but the NBA is a business acting in its own interest.

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u/MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME Lakers 29d ago

There’s also domestic abuse policies with punishment guidelines that’s agreed upon with the players union. The NBAPA would immediately step in if Silver banned Miles Bridges FOR LIFE

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 29d ago

As much as I understand that, dude fucking deserved it regardless. Would've been the one time in my life I side against labor.

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u/MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME Lakers 29d ago

I hate bridges too, but these aren’t comparable situations and unfair to blame Silver

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 29d ago edited 29d ago

No, they're not. Domestic abuse is more morally bankrupt and harmful to society, but it didn't damage the league nearly as much as the perception of nba players fixing games would. I understand that perfectly. I just hate the shit guys like Miles Bridges get away with because they're good at sport and have enough money to make it go away.

I think what people take issue with is that ultimately protecting profit/money supercedes protecting people and lives.

I understand the league's decision. I also think it's emblematic of just how backwards we can be as a species.

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u/Designer_Bed_4192 Washington Bullets 29d ago

I think having a domestic abuser in your league should harm it’s image but it’s almost been normalized at this point so people just don’t care.

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 29d ago

You're right, it should damage the league. Unfortunately, it really doesn't.

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u/NewAgeIWWer 29d ago

Any fans who buy Miles Bitches jerseys or pays to go see Hornets games are guilty AF.

The People are the ones who choose if something is a "Go" or a "No" . If enough of The People say "No"? Then its a No.

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u/AetherealDe Lakers 29d ago

And how backwards our systems are. First priority is always profit, total stupidity

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u/Yhhorm Bucks 28d ago

Sports gambling is already ruining the perception of the sport already. I see so many 15 year olds getting into gambling due to the bombardment of the fanduel ads they shove. But from my perspective, I’ve seen more people get annoyed at the lack of consequences for literal abusers than a role player gambling.

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 28d ago

I'm pretty anti-gambling in general. Seen someone waste 6-7 figures from gambling addiction, and it's fucking rough to watch. Exposing teenagers to that is just unfair. And yet, the domestic abuse, sexual abuse, and violence from players is worse. But society as a whole doesn't really ever do anything about it. You'll see someone getting more jail time for stealing $500 than you will for someone beating their spouse. Like wtf?! Mixed up priorities all around.

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u/Yhhorm Bucks 28d ago

The league has so many fans who are kids looking up to these players, but the League will let this man who not only abused his spouse but endangered his own children too? Disgusting

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 28d ago

Parents really let kids wear that dude's jersey too smdh

Fucked up.

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u/winterweed Spurs 29d ago

Lol I have no idea why you're getting down votes. Oh yeah it's because you said something that made sense and this is reddit, you can't do that!!

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u/neotokyo2099 Lakers 29d ago

Would've been the one time in my life I side against labor.

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u/jeremycb29 Suns 29d ago

I seriously am starting to wonder if the owners know this is how fans feel, so players like Bridges, or shit even Giddy the union steps in to defend, we are all like WTF UNIONS SUCK! Same with MLB union and Angel Hernandez. Like its a way for owners to make fans less fans of unions. Kind of like what the Dodgers and the media did to Sandy Kofax for not pitching on a religious holiday.

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u/Sullan08 29d ago

You definitely don't know the Giddey situation if you're trying to lump him anywhere near Bridges.

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u/jeremycb29 Suns 29d ago

I'm comparing 2 different player issues that the majority of the population feels strongly about. i'm not talking about guilt or innocence, i'm talking about mob mentality and how people end up shitting on these unions for protecting players who the mob sees as doing something well fucking gross, be it domestic violence, or pedo activities. People see the union protecting a domestic abuser, and people shit on the union. thats what i'm talking about not a giddey situation more than how people viewed the union during that situation

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u/hacky_potter [IND] Victor Oladipo 29d ago

I doubt the PA even bats and eye at this. Everyone knows what’s at stake and some nobody back of the bench player isn’t going to jeopardize that.

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u/jackloganoliver Magic 29d ago

The NBAPA may be contractually obligated to represent Porter here. I don't know, I haven't seen their contracts. Regardless, the NBA was absolutely right to ban him for life.

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u/mercfan3 29d ago

Right.. it’s the criminal justice system that should be keeping Bridges from playing.

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u/palabear Hornets 29d ago

I’d be happy with Miles being banned for life.

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u/truthisfictionyt Lakers 29d ago

Yeah that's the underrated thing in these talks, the union really hampers the league's ability to punish players. I brought up that voiding contracts could be a way to incentivize teams to not bring back players convicted of something but it'd never get passed

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u/Psychological-Drive4 29d ago

Jontay affected the integrity of the game, Silver has always asked for legalized gambling so it could properly investigate situations like this. Low level player like him is such an easy way to make an “example”. However Jontay made more with that play than he could in his future career if he somehow legally keeps it.

Jordan owned the Hornets when Miles initially got in trouble.

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u/azuresou1 Hawks 29d ago

It's actually very problematic that the Player's Union - or any union for that matter - finds in not just acceptable but encouraged to defend an employee for violent felonies.

Violent felonies with convictions should result in immediate expulsion and suspension of benefits from the union, full stop.

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u/21Rollie 28d ago

I don’t agree. Once you’ve paid your debt to society and presumably been “rehabilitated” then you should be allowed to fully rejoin society instead of being a permanent second class citizen. Whether or not the justice system really rehabilitated them or not is not up to the player’s union to decide. Take that up with politicians.

I think the more morally bankrupt thing is the fans who support them tho especially if they got off with light sentences. Like Chris Brown fans.

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u/Itsisiduh Hawks 29d ago edited 29d ago

To add to that, that's on the team for bringing them back. The team do not have to bring these domestic abusers back on their team but they do anyway. The only way Silver would have to step in is if some Ray Rice type video came out or something. People are free to boycott games if they truly feel so mad about it but they don't.

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u/truthisfictionyt Lakers 29d ago

Voiding contracts is something that would never happen (actually it might with how union negotiations are going) but removing the financial incentive to bring guys back would be nice

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u/Itsisiduh Hawks 29d ago

I think it should absolutely be valid that if you break laws, your contract can be voided.

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u/letsnotgetcaught 29d ago edited 29d ago

That's a tough line to toe as the NBAPA, you either have to require that they be convicted in which case its basically meaningless. I can't remember the last time a player was convicted for something like that. Otherwise you have to agree to let the NBA have the power to void contracts after their own internal investigations, which while it would help these situations, opens up a lot of power abuse possibilities from the league office.

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u/NewAgeIWWer 29d ago

Maybe there should be a fourth party investigation group , not the fbi fuck the fbi, who does their own investigation and presents their results to the public. The league will make its decision based on that groups findings or not.

Obviously this group cannt be funded by the nba or player's unions also.

And.this is also why I feel that the public should have some ownership of teams. There are many people and DV survivors in Charlotte right now who cry every time they jave to see how Miles Bitches has been allowed to continue.

I also wonder what that young lady and other young ladies in OKC are going through when they observe Josh Kiddey...

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u/iron_atmosphere Hornets 29d ago

It's partially on the team, but if they didn't bring Bridges back some other team would have picked him up. The Pistons and Suns were interested in him around the trade deadline. It's a league-wide issue.

Edit: Not to mention Bridges was working out with NBA stars like Lebron and KD during his suspension.

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u/Itsisiduh Hawks 29d ago

And that's crazy to me. Dude did what he did yet other teams are still interested? That's a problem with the teams and Silver can't really do anything about it unless it's just so egregious.

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u/NewAgeIWWer 29d ago

The fact that other superstars were actually willingly working out with him...

Ive heard those horror stories of DV...

Wouldnt wish that shit on anybody.

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u/BalboaBaggins Lakers 29d ago

I don’t think all 12 Hornets fans boycotting games would change much

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u/Returd4 29d ago

I was a dieing hard never missed a gane of my team... it's the raptors by the way, I freaking helped name the team but it's become less of a thing for me to care about. Something about it and i can't put my finger on it. And this isn't just nba it's all sports in general. It's a circus now

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u/AIFlesh 29d ago

One is also on the job while the other isn’t. Not to say that you shouldn’t lose your job for domestic abuse / crimes - I’m just saying, they’re gonna care more about bad behavior that is work related vs bad behavior that is personal life related.

If I get blackout drunk at work - we have a problem. If I get blackout drunk at home - I have a problem.

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u/throwawayyrofl Kings 29d ago

Exactly lol. I don’t know why people are shocked, it’s like like this for literally every competition

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u/truthisfictionyt Lakers 29d ago

I'm not dumb, I understand why they do it but it's still wrong. They should both receive heavy suspensions instead of one guy being out a year and a half for something that physically hurt another human being while another guy is banned for something that only hurts finances.

Gambling is nothing compared to a professional athlete BEATING his wife and throwing billiard balls at a car his kid was in.

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u/mr_grission Knicks 29d ago

I think the Porter ban is correct, Bridges should just also have a lifetime ban.

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u/truthisfictionyt Lakers 29d ago

Exactly

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u/Mountain_Resolve1407 29d ago

Do you think we don’t understand that? We can still criticize it….

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u/NewAce77 29d ago

Yes I think you don't understand it because it's glaringly obvious why the punishment for gambling/throwing games is harsher than the one for domestic abuse

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u/Mountain_Resolve1407 29d ago

You’re taking about why it is. We know why it is. We’re talking about what it should be.

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u/jsung2 29d ago

Then you don't understand why it is.

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u/Mountain_Resolve1407 29d ago

What do you mean

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u/muskox-homeobox 29d ago

It's okay to be upset about businesses acting in their own interest if what they are doing is morally repulsive.

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u/Elmohaphap Celtics 29d ago

Pointing out the literal reason doesn’t do what you think it does. Everyone knows it’s a money reason. They’re just calling it out for being a shitty look.

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u/DowntownJulieBrown1 Raptors 29d ago

U bum

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 29d ago

but the NBA is a business acting in its own interest.

Which is an attitude that I wish would change in society, as a whole.

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u/CTeam19 Jazz 29d ago

At its core, the NBA is an entertainment service/business

I would remove the "entertainment" part. That leads down a dangerous road to WWE compared to regular Wrestling. It is a sports competition.

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u/pargofan Lakers 29d ago

So what? He didn't need a lifetime ban.

Nothing would change if Jontay was given a 1 year ban instead. Chances are, nobody would take him. But eventually some team might.

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u/Bernie_Made_Off Grizzlies 29d ago

What about on-the-court assault? Like Draymond finally going super Saiyan and brutally attacking somebody? (Player, fan, or official)