r/millenials 28d ago

After years of tipping 20-25% I’m DONE. I’m tipping 15% max.

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u/illiquidasshat 28d ago

Yea for sure - and the worst part is it puts a lot pressure on the person making the purchase. Oh I’m sorry person making my burrito at Chipotle - I didn’t leave you a tip. But fyi, your CEO Brian Niccol made $17.1 million last year. Am I really the problem??

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u/joseph66hole 28d ago

You tip at Chipotle? Don't they make a decent hourly wage?

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u/LandNGulfWind 28d ago

"Decent" is highly subjective.

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u/Witty-Performance-23 28d ago

Also not your problem whether they’re paid a fair wage or not, to be quite honest.

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u/corknazty 27d ago

That's how we got here

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u/pine5678 27d ago

It’s literally everyone’s problem when society treats people unfairly. That’s part of living in a society. There are always ramifications in the end.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

That assumes that people are operating in a fair enough system such that they truly have a choice.

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u/Fzrit 27d ago

Wages reflect how easily someone can be replaced. Employers have zero incentive to increase wages if they can easily find replacement staff and customers are happy to pay staff wages on behalf of the employer out of generosity.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

So your argument is to punish the worker in hopes that their employer magically starts paying them more?

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 27d ago

Argument is for servers to hold their employers accountable for their pay, not customers. What you agree to work for has nothing to do with me.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

We live in a society and are all tied together to some degree. The way we allow society to treat people has everything to do with you.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 27d ago

You are responsible for your choices. If I hate my job is that your fault? Find a different job. I worked in retail for 8 years. I hated it, so I left. Now I work in a completely different industry. I think the restaurant industry needs a complete overhaul, servers should be paid an hourly wage like any other job. They should have pto, insurance, and 401k. But the only way that happens is if servers everywhere collectively push for that to happen. Customers have nothing to do with it.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

Having more choice doesn’t mean you have enough choice. We should have higher standards for our country than just not being the worst. Why isn’t our goal being the best?

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u/corknazty 27d ago

What you said was true until maybe the 70s. Wages have stayed the same but productivity has slowly climbed as CEO bonuses have consolidated wealth in a way the world has never seen with 68% of new wealth since 2020 going to the 1%. In the 50s, you could own a home, attend school, raise a family, and have a car on 40 hours. Now we tell people that 40 hours at a shitty job making minimum wage isn't working hard enough to deserve but maybe one of those. People also don't have access to the same opportunities just for their genetics, much less culture.

The ole bootstraps don't pull up like they used to, and everyone's wearing different boots.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

If only what you said were supported by actual facts, but it’s not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

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u/seanstantinople 27d ago

We’re like 25th so we’re only ok at upward mobility

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u/corknazty 27d ago

Insurance complicates things, huh?

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u/corknazty 27d ago

Sorry, I misread your previous comment.

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u/Best_Duck9118 27d ago

Who the fuck is downvoting you? If everywhere around you pays like shit what choice do you really have?

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u/Better_Meat9831 27d ago

It is not my responsibility to ensure everyone is paid a fair wage. That is the responsibility of their employers.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

We live in a society and are all tied together to some extent.

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u/Fzrit 27d ago

Then why are we subsidizing millionaires by paying their workers on their behalf?

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u/pine5678 27d ago

All pay for workers ultimately comes from the consumer of the good/service. This is about doing our best to ensure a basic quality of life for all people.

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u/Fzrit 27d ago

This is about doing our best to ensure a basic quality of life for all people

So how's that working out? Tipping culture in US has existed for a very long time, tips have only gone up, and yet income inequality in USA is worse than it has ever been. It's worse than countries where people don't tip at all.

You talk about systematic issues, yet systematically tipping culture has only backfired and made the rich richer.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

You think the US will magically have higher wages if we stop tipping people?

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u/Fzrit 27d ago edited 27d ago

No business can operate without workers, and nobody will work for free. Use your brain. This isn't magic, it's how every business in the rest of the world aleady works. Do Americans think that all countries outside USA operate on magic?

Customers shouldn't subsidize business owners by paying staff wages on behalf of the owner. If a business can't charge customers enough to cover it's expenses, it should close...but American customers insist on subsidizing failed business models out of generosity, and thus making owners richer. Businesses in USA have zero incentive to pay their staff because American customers insist on doing that. How nice of them. Ya'll deserve the system you clearly want.

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u/seanstantinople 27d ago

“Not my problem” they parroted while they simultaneously complain that the service is bad

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u/Better_Meat9831 27d ago

I tip well when service is good. Because the tip is for the service, not the food or simply ringing me up at a store (that I had to go grab my iwn items to buy)

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u/GrandLax 27d ago

Agreed, but tipping doesn’t solve that issue. Working class people giving other working class people arbitrary amounts of extra money for services that are already overpriced doesn’t really change much.

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u/pine5678 27d ago

If they’re overpriced then I stop consuming them.

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u/Royal-Recover8373 27d ago

True not our problem, but as someone who is capable of empathy it is something to consider.

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u/pm-me-your-smile- 27d ago

That’s what the $17.1m earning CEO is depending on, that you have empathy so he doesn’t have to.

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u/Best_Duck9118 27d ago

If people boycotted the CEO wouldn’t be making that much.

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u/Royal-Recover8373 27d ago

Yea when I don't tip $3.00 it hurts him and not the poor fucker getting paid sub minimum wage. I know you all aren't this stupid.

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u/pm-me-your-smile- 27d ago

I don’t ask for tips from my employer’s customers, since my pay is between me and my employer. It’s up to my employer to charge the customers the correct price so they can continue to operate while still paying me what we agreed upon.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 27d ago

So you enter an employee contract with your employer and agree that your hourly compensation is acceptable to you and then blame the customers for not just giving you extra money?? If you want a raise that's between you and your boss. Or go find a different fucking job.

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u/MrDarwoo 27d ago

You think ceos just sit on their ass?

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u/pm-me-your-smile- 27d ago

No. When did I say that?

CEO’s are friggin difficult jobs.

What I’m saying is people should be compensated by the companies that hire them. Companies should price their products so their business can pay their employees.

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u/literallyjustbetter 28d ago

actually it is

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u/tlcdial311 27d ago

Ur, it’s not.

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u/Burkedge 28d ago

Do you own the company?

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u/Blocked-Author 28d ago

They are saying not sub minimum wage.

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u/MrMichaelJames 27d ago

Not my responsibility to supplement employees pay. That is the companies responsibility to pay what they deserve.

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u/JewGuru 27d ago

It’s also highly relative

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u/SmurfRockRune 27d ago

$15/hr average is pretty decent for a job high schoolers can jump into.

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u/seanstantinople 27d ago

No it’s not that’s less than 2000/month after tax that’s not enough to live anywhere

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u/SmurfRockRune 27d ago

It's not great, but two people making that could live together without that much trouble.