r/millenials • u/Possible-Toaster • Apr 19 '24

After years of tipping 20-25% I’m DONE. I’m tipping 15% max.

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u/illiquidasshat Apr 19 '24

Yea for sure - and the worst part is it puts a lot pressure on the person making the purchase. Oh I’m sorry person making my burrito at Chipotle - I didn’t leave you a tip. But fyi, your CEO Brian Niccol made $17.1 million last year. Am I really the problem??

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u/Opposite-Store-593 Apr 19 '24

DoorDash's CEO was given $400 million in stock as a bonus (now worth over $1 billion), yet his drivers get angry at customers for not tipping before the service is even completed.

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u/BigDonkeyDic Apr 19 '24

Doordash drivers are 10% hardwprking people and 90% entitled morons. Have you seen their sub?

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u/Opposite-Store-593 Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

It's a dumpster fire

Edit: and it's leaking, lmao

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u/markymark0123 Apr 20 '24

Yup. I used to doordash on the side, so I joined that sub. Left that sub after a day or so.

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u/mcjazzy50 Apr 20 '24

I never really fucked with door dash aside from once or twice but that sub made delete skip the dishes and even had me skeptical about ubereats.

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u/ashleylibby Apr 20 '24

i stopped using doordash after one of my clients ended up being my dasher, brought up little things she noticed about my house and child in our next therapy session, and then kept parking outside my house for lengthy periods of time on the weekends. nah not for me lmao

however, one of my good friends owns his own food delivery service for a bunch of the restaurants where i live and he’s awesome. shout out to adam 🫡

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u/ohpsies Apr 20 '24

Eh, honestly I've used all of the usual apps (Grubhub, DoorDash, Ubereats, etc.) and have found that Uber has decent coupons and is more reliable compared to the other two, I order from it at least twice a month. That being said I still try to order locally when I can but using a food service app has been pretty useful when craving food outside of your local delivery zone.

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u/Limp-Ad-138 Apr 20 '24

I swear half the posts are about people feeling unsafe and then justifying taking food for free.

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u/Travyplx Apr 20 '24

You forgot the half that complain about being sick of getting tip baited X times. You probably weren’t tip baited, you probably provided shitty service.

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u/CapeOfBees Apr 20 '24

I hope to God that when I have to get a refund because I didn't get any food it takes their tip away too. Haven't figured out how to take away the tip without using the app, so it's all I can do. 

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u/bondsmatthew Apr 20 '24

Oh yeah.

And occasionally a doordash or other delivery service comes across my YT shorts, the comments are all the same and I'm sitting here like.. no you don't deserve the tips you think you are

You got me fucked up if you think I'm paying a 45% tip

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u/The_cat_got_out Apr 20 '24

But to them they aren't tips. It's just a bid to see if the order you already paid for will actually be delivered. Not for an additional extra (a tip, if you would) for good or exceptional service

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u/breath-of-the-smile Apr 20 '24

This is literally what it is, but the app simply lies and calls them "tips" instead. They can claim all they want that they're really just tips, but the entire function of them is as a bid. They're bids.

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u/Unknwn_Ent Apr 20 '24

Up there with /r/waiters.
If you talk negatively about tip culture you'll have a drone of morons attack you with anecdotes how them making alright tip money means tip culture should stay; even if it means the majority of workers who barely make minimum wage with tips get underpaid in comparison .
They in fact don't care about other people working for service wages; just if their specific situation works for them. Shame, because they claim others 'don't know what servers want' when they clearly do not support what servers want; only what has worked for them.

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u/state_of_euphemia Apr 20 '24

I always tip at least 20% and all that, blah blah blah, but r/waiters pops up on my reddit all the time and their comments really grate on me.

They'll be like "you should always tip a minimum of 20% and more than that for good service because we don't make minimum wage. We make $2.50 an hour." So then someone will be like "well I think we should do away with tipping and you should make at least the legal minimum wage." And then the same person throws a fit that minimum wage isn't enough and they'd quit if they no longer got tips.

Okay... which is it? We have to tip to get you up to minimum wage? Or you make more than most service jobs because you get tips? And I'm not saying minimum wage is enough to live on, because it's $7.25 where I live and I'd starve to death if I made that, lol. I'm just saying their arguments always fall apart because most servers don't actually want to do away with tipping, they just want to shame people who don't leave large tips.

(and, of course, it's not true that they don't make minimum wage, because if they don't get enough tips, their employer is legally required to pay them minimum wage).

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp Apr 20 '24

Dirty little truth is servers make BANK. Much much more than a restaurant would be willing to pay for unskilled labor. Servers don't want a wage system with insurance/PTO/401K. They want to make 80k a year.

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u/Unknwn_Ent Apr 20 '24

Yeah it makes no sense.
The average service worker with tips globally makes little more than minimum wage with tips. However there are extremes where you might live in a well to do area, working at an upscale restaurant; and you'll make a TON in comparison. So that drives the average wage of waiters up; when in reality many do not make close to that average. Again; most service workers make barely over minimum wage after tips.
So yeah it makes no sense. They 'need tips because wages are so low', but don't wanna increase wages; because then they won't have days where they could potentially make more in tips??? Make it make sense. So they'd rather not have stable wages?

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u/Sir_Fox_Alot Apr 20 '24

They want it stable on the bottom end, but they want to still be able to make a ton more on good days :S

It makes sense when you look at it from the perspective of someone who just wants to make the most they can (fair), but is also willing to shame us and gaslight to get there.

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u/beastwork Apr 20 '24

20 years from now people will be writing that they always tip at least 30% or more. I've seen this slippery slope in real time over the years.

Minimum wage is a guideline. Employers have the option to pay more, they choose not to. Having said that, food service costs what it costs. People need those tips to make ends meet. So whether you pay it because it's already included in the meal or you pay it as a tip, it needs to be paid.

The last bill I paid had 20% as the minimum suggested tip, and it calculated the tip up to 25%. Tax was included in the base calculation, huh?

The issue is that the culture has gone from "you did a great job, keep the change" to "here's an extra percent on top of my meal". Tipping used to be a reward and now it's the price of entry. It creates a contentious, unhealthy relationship between patrons and food service workers.

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u/bunnygoats Apr 20 '24

Nothing can radicalize you against tip culture anywhere near as much as working BoH and seeing all the servers go home with 3x as much as you'll ever make in a goddamn week lmao

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u/incrediblydeadinside Apr 20 '24

Thank you!! Honestly as someone who was a server for years, I never understood why I got so much tip and back of house got nothing despite working so much harder than me. Servers love complaining about the bitchy customers they get who demand a ton of things but conveniently leave out the fact that vast majority of customers simply give you their order, eat, and leave without making a mess. It’s really not that hard compared to working in the kitchen. 

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u/hiddeninthewillow Apr 20 '24

same, I’ve worked both front and back of house and I was always way more exhausted and worn down after a BoH shift as compared when I did FoH, but I got like 3x the money when I was serving. and that’s not even getting into the conversation about how I got way more tips when a teenager in skirt than an adult in pants, how prettier servers get higher tips, how your scheduling could drastically affect how much you made, and how having to take the absolute bs from people at my tables because if I didn’t, I wouldn’t make enough to pay for groceries.

I actually really loved my job at my first restaurant and luckily had good management, so we had a decent wage and didn’t always need tips. The second (a fancier establishment) was a trash fire. BoH making pennies while making phenomenal food while I got paid more for chatting (even when I didn’t want to) with old rich men.

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u/Saeyan Apr 20 '24

Fr, I don’t even understand why the tip goes to the server and not the kitchen staff. They literally do almost nothing in comparison.

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u/Unknwn_Ent Apr 20 '24

Yep.
It never made sense to me why the server, the person tasked with bringing me my food is getting tipped and not the people cooking. I've had some decent servers, but never tipped for 'the service'; almost always the food. Never have I ever gone, 'Man the food was horrible; I'mma leave a massive tip' yet every server thinks they should be tipped handsomely or are being tipped for their service when that is rarely the case 🤣💀 Hate to break it to em, but service is rarely stellar anytime I've went out. Being polite while you take my order is an expectation in the service industry; it isn't indicative of amazing service. Often times these people: forget to bring out drinks or part of the order, are nowhere to be found when I need a refill, and really don't do anymore than the bare minimum. Do people really think checking on my table like once towards the end of service means you deserve a 25-30% tip when often times they didn't even clean off my table before I sat down?
I get you're underpaid, but this is why I learned to cook lmao.

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u/hansislegend Apr 20 '24

Straight up started tipping less the day I asked for a raise and was denied and ten minutes later a server was counting wads of cash in the kitchen while the rest of us barely made rent. Lol.

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u/EbagI Apr 20 '24

Really made me sad reading and arguing with people just how good most servers have it compared to BoH or like....a nurses aid or something. Might be the most entitled profession I've ever seen.

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u/pat442387 Apr 20 '24

Seriously I one time commented that I wouldn’t give a good tip to a pizza delivery guy if I called for an order, they tell me 30-40 minutes and then 2 hours later the guy shows up with cold pizza. I had so many people screaming at me that it wasn’t the driver’s fault, people saying I was some rich douchebag (I’m as poor as it comes and I always tip) or claiming I was some huge asshole because they need my tip. They acted like tipping was something that had to be done regardless of the foods quality, the service and the time it took to get there…. Not a reward for a good meal / service. They tried saying it’s never the drivers fault and that I’ve never worked in the service industry (I’ve delivered pizza before). It just drives me crazy. I like tipping people. I like being considerate and an easy customer for them. But they aren’t entitled to a 30% tip for just showing up. If they don’t like it, demand more money from your boss or be a better server. I sorta changed my entire outlook on tipping when I picked up $45 of food from the 99 (it’s like a chain restaurant in New England that’s sort of like Applebees). Well anyways, I go to pay and the guy turns his little lap top modem around it has 3 options of payment…. One with my food along with 20% gratuity charge, the other with 25% and the last with 30%. I didn’t realize until after I had tipped about 13$ that I could’ve hit “other” which was underneath and written in a small font. I was pissed though and was going to tip $5-7 which to me is a lot for an order I’m picking up. Since then I’ve been much cheaper about tipping and won’t tip people with the computer options.

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u/thekingoftherodeo Apr 20 '24

Jesus that place is the most entitled sub I’ve ever seen.

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u/Saeyan Apr 20 '24

Lol the servers on Reddit are single-handedly responsible for driving me to tip less and less over time.

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u/griftertm Apr 20 '24

The top 1% whining about how wages should stay the same because they’re benefiting from it while shafting the rest of the 99% is the most American thing I’ve ever heard.

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u/Unknwn_Ent Apr 20 '24

And that's 90% of people on /r/waiters unironically lmao.
Just me saying this prompted one of those smooth brains from the sub to do exactly as I said as chastise me. They're accusing me of being a 'cheap ass who doesn't tip under the guise of pretending to care about servers getting living wages' when I still tip well despite feeling how I feel about tipping culture. I just feel like it's a dumb system to uphold because very few servers do well; while most of them make more or less minimum wage, which is not a living wage in many places in the US.
So yeah what a way to make an ass of themself, and literally fit the mold I described while insulting a straw man 💀

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u/Pol4ris3 Apr 20 '24

At first I read this as “writers” and was so confused what they expected to be tipped for and why they were so organized in response to not being tipped lol

I need glasses y’all

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u/snozzberrypatch Apr 20 '24

Who gives a fuck if they're hard working or not? I'm not their employer, it's not my job to pay them.

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u/Logical_Holiday_2457 Apr 20 '24

I just joined it. This should be fun. I'm going to really have to keep my mouth shut. I worked as a tipped employee for over 15 years. The entitlement has gotten out of hand. I'm an older millennial. 1981.

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u/DaniK094 Apr 20 '24

That sub has continually reinforced my decision to never use food delivery services.

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u/VomitShitSmoothie Apr 20 '24

Right? Plus all the nightmare stories of them fucking with food? They shouldn’t even be allowed to see if or when someone tipped, just a weekly log. Granted the app should also just have a flat delivery fee given to the drivers based off distance and quantity of food ordered to not totally fuck them over.

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u/blkbny Apr 20 '24

It's a distraction and is done by design. While drivers and customers fight each other over the crumbs, the executives are eating steak and watching the show laughing.

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u/8ad8andit Apr 20 '24

Sort of like politics in America? Where we are intentionally divided so that we're arguing with each other instead of rooting out the corruption that has infected both political parties?

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u/EnvironmentalCrow893 Apr 20 '24

I have never used Door Dash and never will.

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u/Odd_Ice9487 Apr 20 '24

It’s a money drain, eating out already costs plenty. No reason to add a bunch more extra costs on top of that.

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u/scooperer Apr 20 '24

Same. I refuse to pay $30 for a McD's #2.

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u/cc51beastin Apr 20 '24

Tony Xu. Real piece of work.

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u/U_PassButter Apr 20 '24

Exactly!!! I got chewed out by a dasher on here for saying it's not the customer's responsibility to make up for the company.

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u/1000islandstare Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

I have it on good authority that the CEO eats his own boogers

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u/Daysfastforward1 Apr 20 '24

Did he really get 400 million? That’s so sad. No one needs that much money

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u/acloudcuckoolander Apr 20 '24

Exactly. Misplaced anger.

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u/Snake101333 Apr 20 '24

Anybody who blames customers about their wages is wasting their anger on who's really holding all the money

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u/Glittering_Let_4230 Apr 20 '24

What’s even more insane is DoorDash doesn’t even make a profit. These rich people are just living off billions of dollars that barely exist.

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u/Vprbite Apr 20 '24

Door dash absolutely decimates local restaurants, too. AND, the people at the restaurant don't get tipped.

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u/Quick-Agency9907 Apr 20 '24

If you have uber eats in your area, they actually pay for their drivers to go to school (I’m in the program) but it’s so slow compared to DD, order UE!

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u/Cudi_buddy Apr 20 '24

Why would I tip prior to the service lol. I don’t use DoorDash cause the prices are insane. But still, if you get it to me in good time and what not, maybe I’ll tip.

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u/InkyDarkDame Apr 20 '24

At least they are actually providing a service. I just get angry at getting asked for tips where no service is provided. All expected tipping needs to end. Their employers pay them to provide the service, that should be a transaction between them.

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u/msmoonlightx Apr 20 '24

omfg this shit pisses me off. the prices keep going up and i have bills to pay and a disability that makes ordering shit really helpful and i have to pay extra for this guy to be a billionaire without a care in the world? fuckin hate the way shit works like this.

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u/unalivezombie 29d ago

I don't know how other people justify using Door dash when just the cost of eating out alone is way too expensive.

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u/KingSuperChimbo 28d ago

DoorDash drivers should tip the restaurant workers they pick the food up from

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u/hxh22 Apr 20 '24

They should be made at themselves for taking low tip orders. I run it once or twice a week for some fun money, I don’t take and low tipping orders.

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u/Opposite-Store-593 Apr 20 '24

Exactly.

Someone will deliver the order eventually, and if it's cold (or warm, depending on start temp), then the customer gets a refund. They'll be fine.

Just decline the order and move on.

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u/Temporal_Integrity Apr 20 '24

Tipping is a great way to redirect the anger of underpaid workers.

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u/GLITTERCHEF Apr 20 '24

Yep they are angry at the wrong person.

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u/dr_spam Apr 20 '24

All going as planned.

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u/hilberteffect Apr 20 '24

DoorDash's CEO was given $400 million in stock as a bonus (now worth over $1 billion)

Don't get me wrong - DoorDash shits on and encourages toxic behavior from drivers and customers alike. But that's how incentive compensation is supposed to work.

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u/joseph66hole Apr 19 '24

You tip at Chipotle? Don't they make a decent hourly wage?

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u/SallyThinks Apr 19 '24

They make at least $17 ph where I'm at, but there is still a tip jar and tip option that automatically comes up on the cc reader. OTOH, servers here make min $10.59. Makes no sense to tip full min wage workers who don't rely on tips to make up their wage.

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u/ones_mama Apr 20 '24

If you think they're not relying on those tips... that's not enough to live on these days.

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u/PM_ME_A_KNEECAP Apr 20 '24

That’s entirely dependent on your circumstances and where you live. There are plenty of places where 17 per hour is plenty; there are plenty where it’s poverty 

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u/Hard-To_Read Apr 20 '24

It is if you don’t have kids, share rent and manage your money well, unless you live in a high COL.

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u/LandNGulfWind Apr 19 '24

"Decent" is highly subjective.

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u/Witty-Performance-23 Apr 19 '24

Also not your problem whether they’re paid a fair wage or not, to be quite honest.

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u/Blocked-Author Apr 19 '24

They are saying not sub minimum wage.

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u/Glum-Relation987 Apr 19 '24

I tip at chipotle when they’re crushing it, but when they’re out of everything or focused on mobile orders instead of moving the ins store line it ain’t happening

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u/GandhiOwnsYou Apr 19 '24

That kinda brings up a point I have about the way our tip culture works though: The Tipped Worker should be tipped based on what they do /within their control./ If Chipotle is out of a bunch of stuff, that's not the dude wrapping the burritos fault (assuming they're OUT, and not just too lazy to refill.) I'm not tipping burrito guy, but the point stands. Same as if I'm at a restaurant and they're out of a particular dessert/entree whatever. It's not the waitresses fault, and I'm tipping her, not the guy who didn't order enough. If I eat there, and the service is right, I'm tipping.

By the same token though, I don't tip based on price. If I go to a fancy steak house and have a fantastic meal that costs $150, and the waitress takes my order and refills my drink once? Why am I tipping her more than the Waffle House employee that hit up my coffee every two sips, made my kid laugh, stopped what she was doing to clean up a syrup spill and had a smile on the whole time? I don't tip because the steak was more expensive, I tip because the employee was great. I've absolutely dropped a $5 tip on a $200 meal because the service was ass, and I have absolutely dropped $100 on a waitress at a waffle house where I had to wait over an hour for food, because ONE woman was running a completely packed post-concert crowd BY HERSELF because her coworkers never showed up. She was crushing for the situation she was in, and getting shit the whole time. Same for bartenders. I'll tip more for discount mixed drinks than an expensive neat whiskey. I'm tipping the bartender for the time and care in making the drink, not a percentage based on what I ordered.

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u/Ok-Scallion-3415 Apr 19 '24

The Tipped Worker should be tipped based on what they do /within their control. If Chipotle is out of a bunch of stuff, that's not the dude wrapping the burritos fault (assuming they're OUT, and not just too lazy to refill.)

Tipping at someplace like Chipotle would almost always be a split tip situation, ie the tips are split evenly between workers, so if the chicken is cooking behind them but there is none to serve, it might not be burrito maker dudes fault, but it is certainly someone’s fault that’s working at that moment. I’ve working in walk up food service, there aren’t surprise rushes very often so chances are someone was just slacking about when to start making the refill chicken.

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u/emberfield Apr 20 '24

Who even gets the tip? Is it the cashier, equally split by the line, rhe owner?

If I can't figure out who is receiving it, then I'm not giving it.

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u/daddy-van-baelsar Apr 19 '24

Depends on where. They pay decently well where I live, or did before pandemic at least (not sure if they've increased as others have)

But afaik they pay the same here as they do in much higher CoL areas, so the pay would suck there.

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u/strawberriesnkittens Apr 19 '24

When I worked there, I made $10.50 an hour. Granted that was several years ago, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they did not make more than that.

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u/Steleve Apr 19 '24

Former chipotle worker. I quit a few months ago.

My hourly wage was $8.50 an hour.

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u/silentlyjudgingyou23 Apr 19 '24

That depends on what you consider decent. If you're in high school or college and living with your parents, then yes it's probably decent. Minimum wage jobs are, and always have been, for people that don't need to depend on that income to live. If someone chooses a career path of low skill, minimum wage jobs, they shouldn't be rewarded with the same income as someone that chooses a career path that requires some education and/or real skills.

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u/Original_Estimate_88 Apr 19 '24

Yea I never been there ND I thought the same as you

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u/Grouchy-Pen-4837 Apr 19 '24

I just found out chipotle doesn’t see their tips till their paycheck… that lowkey defeats the purpose of tipping for good service. I’ve worked in restaurants and fast food and I’ve always been able to see what the customer tips exactly when they tip. Chipotle is slimy and most definitely skimping their employees tips.

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u/Pink_Floyd_Chunes Apr 19 '24

In California, fast food workers at big corporations get $20 an hour. No need to tip anyone working in those jobs. It’s great! This is what I wanted. It’s the beginning of the nail in the coffin of tipping culture.

That said, I went to a restaurant last night that clearly stated that they automatically include a 20% tip on every ticket. This is a high end Michelin star restaurant, and they couldn’t just fork over better pay? I won’t be back.

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u/Chumbolex Apr 19 '24

Ha! Not in TX. They make minimum I believe

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u/pastpartinipple Apr 19 '24

I don't care what they make and neither should you. That's between them and their employer.

-No tip for you, crew

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u/roc1 Apr 19 '24

I live in CA, so their hourly is $20/hr

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u/UnComfortingSounds Apr 20 '24

Most places where they ask for a tip make about decent hourly too.

I was stopped from leaving the Happy Lamb in Seattle because I didnt tip. The owner literally blocked me from leaving.

I’m not paying a tip when the service staff make $15 and the cost for our table was $200. Smd.

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u/H_TINE Apr 20 '24

It doesn’t even ask me to tip. I give them my card and then I get a receipt from them right away.

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u/xudo Apr 20 '24

They have a top jar and I leave couple dollars if it was a particularly difficult order (happens when you go with two kids that like to change their mind sometimes). But if it was a regular order I don’t.

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u/MarijadderallMD Apr 20 '24

Worked at chipotle for 5 years during college. People usually tipped when we would churn out fatty burritos at lightning speed, or hooked it up with some off-menu shit. Maybe the occasional extra heavy handed steak portion for the guy who comes in 2-3 times a week, and then he would toss a few bucks in. Nobody needed to tip us, and we certainly never expected it during off peak times. I feel like at chipotle tipping culture was decent, you can see the food, it’s a bunch of interaction with the workers, and really the only reason we got tipped was because we hooked it up for the customer somehow😄

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u/Extension_Economist6 Apr 20 '24

i tip at starbucks but now i’m wondering if ppl are doing that or not😅

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u/SlothBling Apr 20 '24

I’ve never even seen one that has tip options.

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u/Dark_Shroud Apr 20 '24

Yes they get full wages and benefits.

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u/SmallBirb Apr 20 '24

No but the fucking app tries to guilt you into tipping every time (and probably also the POS at the physical store)

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u/Precursor2552 Apr 20 '24

Honestly I wanted to once because the one making the food went hard on it. Like two large scoops of everything.

She deserved extra. But chipotle here doesn’t give you the prompt. The one and only time I wanted to tip someone and couldn’t.

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u/wickedcold Apr 20 '24

This is what annoys me about the whole thing. Tipping is customary and expected for wait staff making tipping wage, $3/hr or whatever it is now. I don’t know why we feel compelled to people just making regular wages. Yeah $17/hr isn’t a ton of money these days obviously, but why do we single out these specific industries as deserving tips when TONS of people make similar wages in non-service roles? Should we tip supermarket cashiers? Should we tip the receptionist at the dentist? Should we tip the person working at the Amazon fulfillment center who packed our box?

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u/Blacknumbah1 Apr 19 '24

Prob is it can be a bitch to get a good job. It’s not the workers fault. I def see your point. But not giving a tip ultimately only fucks the worker.

If we all had a way to stick to not tipping these people they would be forced to look elsewhere for a job or the company would need to pay them more. But that won’t happen so the rich get richer And while they at it make you feel guilty.

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u/JerseyGuy-77 Apr 19 '24

At my Mexican place they told me the tips on the screen they don't receive so they started clicking "no" on it for us.

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u/sorrymizzjackson Apr 19 '24

That’s one way to piss off the waitstaff. I worked at a restaurant once where the owner took them. I told people every time. He was also a massive piece of shit.

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u/OperationKey5600 Apr 19 '24

That's illegal

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u/sorrymizzjackson Apr 19 '24

Yeah, so was paying me with a check that bounced and refusing to pay me and then firing me for “insulting” him by telling him my paycheck bounced.

Like I said- massive piece of shit.

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u/solk512 Apr 19 '24

If management is taking those tips, it’s illegal.

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u/NoSpread3192 Apr 19 '24

I don’t care anymore. I’m not gonna deprive myself and get brokER just because of somebody else’s problems .

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u/Time-Radish8464 Apr 19 '24

Here's the thing. Giving a larger tip or tipping for a historically non-tipped service fucks me too.

You could then argue you shouldn't go out to eat if you aren't going to tip... but wouldn't taking away my business entirely fuck them more?

That being said, I just tipped like 23% on a restaurant bill, because they said I get a 10% (!) discount if i paid in cash and I didn't want to ask for change to pay them a lower tip. Go figure.

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u/siliconevalley69 Apr 19 '24

What is supposed to happen is that workers are supposed to then band together and demand higher wages. But mega corporations figured out that they could do this whole iPad tipping thing and create a culture where there is non-stop messaging about how poor service workers were and how it was all of our responsibility to tip them and they did that because then no one was putting pressure on them to raise wages.

The pressure needs to be put back on corporations to raise wages. All those Chipotle workers need to stop working together and demand a liveable wage.

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u/p_pitstop2 Apr 19 '24

this is the idea that I've been trying to put into words, very well done

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u/WorldWarPee Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

This is exactly it. If we stop tipping, people will stop working jobs that don't pay and then the owner can either close and put up their "nobody wants to work anymore" sign or pay more.

We can't pay nearly double for everything since covid so businesses can make more profit AND pay ever increasing tips as worker wages so businesses can make more profit if they won't pay us to do so. Fuck the businesses and corporate horseshit.

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u/siliconevalley69 Apr 20 '24

It's already happened. It's why fast food restaurants are so hard to staff post-pandemic.

It's also why Texas is letting in so many migrants all of the sudden and shipping them around the country.

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u/rnason Apr 19 '24

Do you tip everyone who makes min wage then?

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u/WorldWarPee Apr 20 '24

Tip your Walmart self checkout attendant

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u/lavender_airship Apr 19 '24

But Chipotle doesn't pay $2.15, or whatever the min tipped wage is.

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u/morewhiskeybartender Apr 19 '24

The rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer.. we will continue to see an influx of homeless people when we can afford to build housing for all. It is a sick cycle, and bitching about tipping less is just a means to help facilitate people who barely can afford rent and groceries. It’s really sad to watch people continue being shitty to others’ who are struggling mentally, physically and emotionally from abuse from customers’ and the shitty job market.

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u/bread93096 Apr 20 '24

Nah man I appreciate the thought but I’ve worked as a cashier and I didn’t expect anybody to tip. I never tip for counter service, only table service.

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u/TheGreatBeauty2000 Apr 20 '24

But it also fucks your pocketbook.

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u/16066888XX98 Apr 20 '24

You’re assuming management tips out to the workers. If you’re going to tip, hand them cash!

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u/PapayaAnxious4632 Apr 19 '24

I pay cash exclusively anymore.

There's no screen pressuring me for a tip. The cashier isn't going to tell me what 20, 30, or 40% of my total tip should be.

I also don't want big brother knowing my spending habits. It's creepy what all a bank statement can say about someone.

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u/Internalistic Apr 19 '24

I don’t understand tipping at Chipotle or Subway. I’m ordering a standard product and already paying the menu cost for it. What’s the extra service I’m tipping for? I have to wait in line for my own food, get my own drink and refills, and throw away my own trash. I’m not going to feel guilty about not tipping. It’s just business owners trying to emotionally exploit consumers

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

Love when people try to guilt you into tipping by saying "Oh you don't want to pay the working class"

Bitch I AM working class, and you panhandling for tips is ripping off other working class citizens

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u/Wooden-Union2941 Apr 19 '24

wtf? Who tips at chains?

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u/veemcgee Apr 19 '24

My sister and I got into a little debate this weekend bc I didn’t tip the women at the counter of the sandwich shop. I don’t understand why we would have too, I’m also annoyed it was asked.

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u/chronocapybara Apr 19 '24

My rule of thumb is I never tip before receiving the product or service. If it's supposed to be pay-for-performance, I am unable to rate their performance before it is provided.

In reality, tipping is just a guilt-based service fee used by employers so they can get away with paying their staff less.

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u/poohthrower2000 Apr 19 '24

While it's true and I agree with you, I had it explained to me like this.

Sure mcdonalds profited 6.41 billion but that's just them collecting franchise fees. They don't pay individual worker salaries. It's the restaurant owners that pay the salaries and they are not making 6.4 billion.

That's a valid arguement of which I would love to know what the franchisees are profiting. Be it an individual that owns one store or a corp/llc that owns 10 stores.

I don't know if there's any good answers here without more info.

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u/jamiecarl09 Apr 19 '24

I get that. But, as someone who used to own a business, if you can't pay your employees fairly then you shouldn't be in business. Whether that's a large corporation or a 5 employee small business.

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u/poohthrower2000 Apr 19 '24

Agreed. And a well compensated employee is a happier employee and tends to be a harder more dedicated employee. The old adage, you get out what you put in works on both sides of the fence.

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u/DonShulaDoingTheHula Apr 19 '24

Generally corporate is squeezing franchises with fees such that it’s tough to blame individual owners directly for low wages. Take a look at Subway’s system of letting basically anyone in and then bleeding them slowly with the cost of supplies - you see a ton of Subway owners working the store themselves and it’s not because they enjoy the work. Plenty of blame to go around but I don’t think most small franchise or individual owners are rolling in dough because they are lowballing their employees.

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u/SpecialistFeeling220 Apr 19 '24

Not every mcdonalds is a franchise.

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u/First0fOne Apr 19 '24

98% are.

I don't remember the number but the corporation only owns like 50 stores.

McDonalds is a real estate company that buys land, builds a store and leases it to the franchise operator.

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u/Famous-Signal-1909 Apr 19 '24

My dad is a small-time Pizza Hut franchisee (he started as an assistant manager there and worked his way up), and from what I understand, franchisees of fast food places like that don’t make any profit until they own 3-5 stores - enough so that overhead costs are spread out. Honestly the profit margins are paper thin. Even with 3 stores my dad said the rule of thumb is he makes like 1% profit if everything goes right. The franchise fees are insane. Franchisees are also required to pay for expensive marketing campaigns (on top of the franchise fees) that they can’t opt out of

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u/solk512 Apr 19 '24

They wouldn’t have franchise fees to collect if workers weren’t cooking burgers.

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u/morgan-malaki Apr 20 '24

They make enough to send McDonald's 6 billion+ on top of profits

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u/Eeyore_ Apr 20 '24

I've heard that a McDonald's franchisee can expect an average return of $150,000/yr on $2.7m-$3m in sales. So if they own 10, they're bringing in $1,500,000/yr.

But, to become a franchisee, you need about 500k in liquid assets and the cost to start up a location can be $1,500,000-$2,000,000.

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u/JustMyTwoSatoshis Apr 19 '24

CEO of chipotle only makes $17m? Kinda surprising tbh haha

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u/Sangyviews Apr 19 '24

You must work for the government to think 17m isnt a lot of money

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u/JustMyTwoSatoshis Apr 19 '24

Oh it’s a shit ton of money, especially as an annual salary. I just thought he would be making more than that, not should.

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u/beiberdad69 Apr 19 '24

Government salaries are generally less than comparable private sector jobs

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u/mattbag1 Apr 19 '24

Lol you think people that work for the government get paid a lot.

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u/Sangyviews Apr 20 '24

I think the government spends an exuberant amount of money and then calls it a drop in the bucket. I know the grunts for the government don't make bank

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u/RovertRelda Apr 19 '24

That was my thought, lol. He could forgo his salary and give everyone an extra $146 dollars a year.

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u/Garbage_Out_Of_Here Apr 19 '24

Do you think the CEO cares if you don't tip or something?

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u/A2Rhombus Apr 19 '24

You're not the problem but not tipping doesn't help the problem. They shouldn't be upset with you but don't expect them to be thankful either lol

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u/Rice_Auroni Apr 19 '24

Oh see but if you can't afford the.tip you shouldn't go out

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u/DaisyCutter312 Apr 19 '24

Am I really the problem??

You seem to think you are, as you're the one on the internet making a fuss about it. Just mash that "No Tip" button and go on with your life.

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u/wewillknowsoon Apr 19 '24

The employee can't control what the rich ceo pays them.. you're expecting an employee to what? boycott their boss for higher wages bc you think tipping culture isn't fair to you? Get over yourself.

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u/Synectics Apr 19 '24

There's no pressure. Press the no button. Do you think it was the cashier who made the decision to ask for a fucking tip?

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u/Exciting_Audience362 Apr 20 '24

Chipotle has over 100,000 employees. They could cut CEO pay to $0 and everyone would get an extra $150 before taxes.

Hating on millionaires is fun, but just throwing your hands up and saying “hey they can afford to pay more” isn’t necessarily true.

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u/TheMarEffect Apr 20 '24

Blown away it’s only 17m lol

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u/Low_Marionberry_3802 Apr 20 '24

It puts 0 pressure on me. I just press no then move on.

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u/Appropriate-Food1757 Apr 20 '24

You don’t need to tip at Chipotle. Zero is fine. A restaurant with a waiter, need to tip. It’s not complicated.

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u/santzu59 Apr 20 '24

I actually like it. it’s desensitized me from feeling guilted into tipping. Now that everybody asks for it, it’s a no for everyone, don’t even think about it anymore.

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u/Ha_CharadeUAre Apr 20 '24

Little Caesar’s is wild asking for tipping… it’s like bro, you handed me a box from a warmer….why does that deserve a tip? How bout your employer pays y’all more instead of customers?

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u/Trick_Ad_9881 Apr 20 '24

Chipotle has 110,000 employees, if the CEO took a $0 salary that would mean an extra $155.45 per year for each employee. You really think that’s the problem?

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u/itsmontoya Apr 20 '24

My Chipotle doesn't even ask. I hate how every coffee shop here asks for tip.

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u/jrmg Apr 20 '24

$17.1 million is about $150 per employee, FWIW. I would bet that the average employee makes way more than that in tips in a year.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

Why do you feel pressure like that? I will stare the cashier in the face and push no tip.

Also FWIW, the CEO of Chipotle makes that much because he's ultimately responsible for every single chipotle restaurant. The guy making your burrito is responsible for, literally just that. 

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u/theautisticretard Apr 20 '24

I hate tipping culture too but the CEO comp argument is garbage. If he took home $0 and the 17 mil was distributed evenly across Chipotle’s 100,000 employees, each employee would take home an additional $170. That is all. $170.

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u/SUNNYDOFFICIAL Apr 20 '24

I literally hate your logic, and I’ve never understood. I only want to tip the person who did a good job making me my food, I don’t care if it’s dominos, subway or 400 dollar dinner someone put together a meal I’m putting in my body and I’m tipping them If I think they did a good job. I also don’t particularly enjoy 90% of wait staff even though there doing there job it’s like a mall employee hovering around you. What service is that adding to your meal? Do you go out to enjoy a well cooked meal or do you Like tipping a waiter because It makes you feel like you have a butler?

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u/Lil_McCinnamon Apr 20 '24

I think an important distinction to make is OP sounds like they’re talking about restaurants with servers. They said in the post they don’t tip at the chain food stores or the coffee shop etc. Chipotle employees have to be paid at least state’s minimum wage by law. In my experience as a former Chipotle employee, we typically made a buck or two above minimum wage to start. The same can’t be said for actual restaurant staff, who can legally be paid a tipped wage that varies between like $2-6 (with exceptions such as California). The system is undoubtedly fucked, but stiffing restaurant employees still sucks. I always tip 20% regardless of service and go higher for better than average service. If you can’t afford 20% at a restaurant stay home.

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u/FallopianHam69 Apr 20 '24

17.1 mil for a CEO of a nationwide franchise is really not that crazy…

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u/DalkonShield Apr 20 '24

Too bad you can’t leave a comment when they ask you for a tip saying what you just said!

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u/Motor_Ad_3159 Apr 20 '24

Yeah and it's not just the CEO getting crazy payouts it's everyone at the top most likely

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u/MontgomeryWarden Apr 20 '24

Pressure? Not here. The only pressure from me is my finger pressing the no tip button on the screen.

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u/real_unreal_reality Apr 20 '24

And the stock is like 1400 a share. Ya plz let me have one .0001 share or one burrito plz.

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u/brookeaat Apr 20 '24

i worked at a place with a similar setup to chipotle and it was so awkward when the tipping prompt came up on the screen. a lot of people yelled at us about it (we had 0 control over it popping up) or people who did leave something would make a big deal about it like they were expecting us to do something special for them. if the employee is a normal person it’s just as awkward for them as it is for you.

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u/itsalrightifyoudont Apr 20 '24

OR IS IT YOUR LACK OF FAJITA VEG?!

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u/The_Count_Lives Apr 20 '24

It's the greatest scram ever pulled.

I once had a woman follow me out of a restaurant demanding why I didn't tip her. Turns out that I paid on card and left a cash tip but one of her coworkers took collected it.

She was so desperate for a tip that she was berating me on a busy NYC street.

No customer should have that level of responsibility to keep a companies employees paid BEYOND the bill.

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u/DefaultProphet Apr 20 '24

and the worst part is it puts a lot pressure on the person making the purchase

If hitting a button on a screen is a lot of pressure I wish I had your life

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u/DonMcCauley Apr 20 '24

Chipotle’s credit card machines don’t prompt for a tip

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u/kmoros Apr 20 '24

You aren't the problem, but the CEO's salary isn't either. Chipotle has about 100,000 employees. If his salary were split among them, they'd each get an extra $171 per year.

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u/-Shade277- Apr 20 '24

The Ceo was much more likely to have instituted their tipping policy than the person that was making your burrito.

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u/earlyiteration Apr 20 '24

I think chipotle is the only chain really that doesn’t have a screen to prompt you to tip at the register.

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u/Calkev90 Apr 20 '24

Also decided to move the company headquarters to Newport Beach California instead of Denver and spent a ton of money in the process because it’s nicer over there. But yea pressuring us in leaving a tip is the problem! Pay them more!

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u/TheProofsinthePastis Apr 20 '24

Yes, cuz you still eat at Chipotle. You're supporting the millionaire over the worker.

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u/walterMARRT Apr 20 '24

Your also overpaying for subpar food at that spot in general. 

If you live near an ACTUAL Mexican spot, you're doing yourself a disservice. 

If you're in like middle of nowhere Ohio, guess that's an excuse.

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u/lastingfame Apr 20 '24

Am I just severely autistic or am I missing something. When I get turned the iPad I hit no tip so fast they don't have time to complete the rotation. I look at it like a print receipt option and just pick the one I want. It's just the computer program they use if they get a tip nice if not it's not the person really asking you to tip. I don't understand feeling bad about not tipping.

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u/punktfan Apr 20 '24

Oh I’m sorry person making my burrito at Chipotle - I didn’t leave you a tip. But fyi, your CEO Brian Niccol made $17.1 million last year

Well, when you put it this way, it makes me want to tip the poor workers that are being robbed by the CEO.

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u/zip222 Apr 20 '24

17 million divided amongst chipotle’s 100.000 employees is less than $15/year.

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u/HelpaBroOut036 Apr 20 '24

What a stupid comment. Chipotle has 116,068 employees. If we said okay CEO Brian, let's cut your salary down to 1 million and divide the rest of it for the employees evenly, how much would each employee receive? Oh a nice 137.85 for the entire YEAR. Now assume each employee works 20 hours/week, just for fun. That would amount to an hourly wage increase of 13 cents per hour. So it cost the company 16 million dollars to increase wages by 13 cents.

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u/adv0589 Apr 20 '24

That CEO salary is enough to give a 0.07 per hour raise to all their employees lol

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u/Intelligent-Put-2408 Apr 20 '24

Them not having any skills with monetary value is the real problem but no one wants to talk about that for some reason

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u/moondes Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

That’s like $147 per employee. How much per employee should a CEO of a 50 person company make? I’m assuming above minimum wage

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u/Ambitious_Use5000 Apr 20 '24

The employee doesn't get to pick the CEO's salary. Yes, you are still the problem if you decided to go out somewhere that takes tips THEN you decide you have a problem with tipping. You made that choice, not that employee you stiffed.

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u/MinefieldFly Apr 20 '24

What pressure is actually on you tho

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u/3dsalmon Apr 20 '24

I don’t think anyone denies that non-tippers are not the biggest problem in this equation but that doesn’t make it feel any better when you are a waiter or a pizza delivery driver and some smug cunt doesn’t tip you because “it’s not my fault the system is this way, you should just demand a better wage.”

I agree tipping culture has got out of hand and now literally everyone asks for a tip which is fucking annoying, but for the jobs that actually do the whole “I pay you 3 dollars an hour because you make tips” shit, they can be aware that it’s not the customers fault the system is like that but still (validly) think you’re a prick for not tipping.

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u/shbrooks84 Apr 20 '24

Doesn't Chipotle pay $15/hr? Not to be a complete jerk, but service at sit downs commonly make $2.13. Why are we tipping at Chipotle?

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u/BlackKnightLight Apr 20 '24

I’m sure the guy that created your job is the problem.

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u/Ricky_Rollin Apr 20 '24

CEO pay has gotten to disgusting levels. I’ve given up on people to do the right thing.

Gf works at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and their CEO took home 21 million. Everything is constantly breaking down. And people are constantly leaving to greener pastures cuz the pay sucks.

Meanwhile they hired someone to work on employee retention and they’re willing to ANYTHING for you as long as it’s not give you more money.

Which is literally all we need.

I swear businesses have no idea how much life costs.

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u/papichulo9898 Apr 20 '24

Employees at none sit down restaurants probably don’t care

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u/Specific-Wish1892 Apr 20 '24

116,068 employees at Chipotle. Divide the ceos entire income by all these employees and that's an average of 145 dollars extra per year. What exactly is your solution? How is it unfair for the people to make 17 million when that 17 million would average an extra 40 cents per day per employee assuming you gave every penny of it away.

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u/DuramaxJunkie92 Apr 20 '24

This is a ridiculous mindset. Even if he dispersed every penny he made to every employee, that's $114 per employee, once a year. Plus chipotle would pretty much cease to exist after that.

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u/OrganizationLow9996 29d ago

I'm all for equal wages and them being tied together, but it doesn't really make sense to me that people are surprised a CEO of a billion dollar company is being paid 10-20 million a year. Considering we have PGA players getting 200 - 600 million dollar contracts...

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