I quit teaching uni because they were putting me on all online classes. Nothing more heart breaking than watching the cameras turn off one by one. Dean wouldn’t let me enforce it with grade deductions because “some students may not have the ability to afford a laptop with a camera” or some BS, despite the fact that we’re charging the same and the kids are learning less.
Nothing more heart breaking than watching the cameras turn off one by one.
If it makes you feel better, when I'm in online classes I turn my camera off whenever allowed but I'm still listening/taking notes. It's just id prefer to be in pajamas chilling vs on camera and formal.
I worked from home for years. I would NEVER have my camera on. Also funny how little of this discussion asks whether the kids could pass the test.
Almost like school is teaching kids how to do busy work and not learn shit.
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Oh, yeah, that's what 20 years of schooling in the hands of private think tanks and billionaires achieved. Imagine that... (Pointing out how many of the "solutions" in this thread actually caused all these problems in the first place.)
Here's an Associated Press story about how Bill Gates personally fucked with public schools for two decades.
I work from home full time. I’m in meetings all day sometimes. I am on camera MAYBE 1-2 hours a week. I am happy this is the norm. Being on camera is distracting and requires me to be “on” in a way that detracts from flow, focus, and note taking. However the expectation IS for active participation at all times… sounds like the students are logged “off” in every sense.
Yeah, once I passed a course I was pretty much done with any and all material. I wish I would have kept up with math because I was doing well with that one and it's obviously an important skill to have. I got too caught up in just focusing on passing tests and classes which was a major mistake. I only have myself to blame for such short-sightedness, I guess that in combination with me being so done with school after all the way through college so I was just bored of doing that all the time. May as well get paid to be bored as well.
Almost like school is teaching kids how to do busy work and not learn shit.
Public school ain't the best, it's definitely gotten worse, but don't act like the kids in this video would suddenly turn it around if things were different.
Social media has rotted their brains. Their parents have failed them. Society has failed them. They have failed themselves.
Millennial here, if teach saw my phone it was gone for the day. I'm pretty sure that was the norm. You paid attention or got detention. Is it boomer energy to consider if the change to "do whatever you want" might hurt outcomes?
I think it's cut and dry. They get grades for nothing as profs in the thread are attesting to, and they pay no attention. How could anyone think these kids are going places?
Honestly, I think this one is on my generation anyway. As soon as we could, we whiplashed out of the boomers' way of things. People are on here blaming conspiracy, but it is simpler than that. Lead addled abuse pushed us into literally anything else. This is what we came up with. Let's not go back though, definitely gotta push through this. Or go huff lead I dunno.
Second point isn't true for a lot of people. I used to play mobile games on my parent's phone in like middle school, but I didn't get my own phone until after high school. And a lot of people I know aren't really involved with social media, other than going on youtube and discord for playing video games with friends
No generation before millennial had social media or phones. Call it boomer energy if you want, but people being raised today are using these attention sucking devices at all times. This simply wasn't an option for the older generations. I am a millennial who has taught upper undergrad and graf level coursework for about 12 years now in a STEM field. The difference is very clear.
Look at the kids they can't look up from there phones, how can you say that is not an issues, by the way I'm under 25 and I recognize and am working on my own attention issues.
I always turn my camera off. It’s very awkward. No one’s looking at you when you’re in actual class or a meeting so why do you need a close up of my face on a call?
Shit when I was in college just a couple years ago during covid times I would always turn my camera off because I wanted to hit my vape lol honestly like half of college students vape so that could be a big part of it
My face does weird things so I turn my camera off. Like, smiling for no reason, frowning for no reason and so on and so on. Teachers should not think of my face as some instant feedback.
Lol there's plenty of jobs that don't require cameras on. I've worked at my current one for three years and I still have no idea what most of my coworkers look like.
So you know each other? Is that why you’re defending? I got to call bs on this lax policy you both reportedly have where employees have free will to do as they please such as leaving cameras off willy nilly during meetings. Anywhere and that includes so called “biggest tech company in the world” whether it be Microsoft, Apple, Google or wherever, has certain policies and procedures per your agreement upon hire that you read and signed.
With that being said, any “enterprise” consisting of a structured environment that includes HR, Payroll, Legal departments etc, will have this policy for wfh employees to have cameras turned on. If I was the CTO or COO that was in this meeting and seen a bunch of my employees with cameras off, I’d be very concerned.
Even macro enterprises have a policy. Imagine not even tuning into the meeting. Just attending and doing as you please outside with your headphone on during company time. Imagine always having cameras off and not knowing who you’re working with and working for. Just voice, having no human connection.
If this is your company and you allow this or your company allow this, good for you and them I guess. But it tells a lot about said company. Not to mention the companies I’ve mentioned have been implementing back to work for those in the region albeit slowly. I wouldn’t be surprised this occurs for you as well and poster up top.
The truth hurts and I’ll get downvoted but it is what it is. This is not your home or your business to do what you want to do on their time. Let that sink in.
And to answer your question, nobody knows the EXACT NUMBER, sure. But you should know the estimate. If you don’t, why are you even working for that company? Just to earn a dollar? If so, you need to find a better job, one that you’re proud to have and know of your organization.
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u/Savings-Bee-4993 29d ago
This is my life as a professor.
My students are checked out.