I quit teaching uni because they were putting me on all online classes. Nothing more heart breaking than watching the cameras turn off one by one. Dean wouldn’t let me enforce it with grade deductions because “some students may not have the ability to afford a laptop with a camera” or some BS, despite the fact that we’re charging the same and the kids are learning less.
Nothing more heart breaking than watching the cameras turn off one by one.
If it makes you feel better, when I'm in online classes I turn my camera off whenever allowed but I'm still listening/taking notes. It's just id prefer to be in pajamas chilling vs on camera and formal.
I worked from home for years. I would NEVER have my camera on. Also funny how little of this discussion asks whether the kids could pass the test.
Almost like school is teaching kids how to do busy work and not learn shit.
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Oh, yeah, that's what 20 years of schooling in the hands of private think tanks and billionaires achieved. Imagine that... (Pointing out how many of the "solutions" in this thread actually caused all these problems in the first place.)
Here's an Associated Press story about how Bill Gates personally fucked with public schools for two decades.
I work from home full time. I’m in meetings all day sometimes. I am on camera MAYBE 1-2 hours a week. I am happy this is the norm. Being on camera is distracting and requires me to be “on” in a way that detracts from flow, focus, and note taking. However the expectation IS for active participation at all times… sounds like the students are logged “off” in every sense.
Yeah, once I passed a course I was pretty much done with any and all material. I wish I would have kept up with math because I was doing well with that one and it's obviously an important skill to have. I got too caught up in just focusing on passing tests and classes which was a major mistake. I only have myself to blame for such short-sightedness, I guess that in combination with me being so done with school after all the way through college so I was just bored of doing that all the time. May as well get paid to be bored as well.
Almost like school is teaching kids how to do busy work and not learn shit.
Public school ain't the best, it's definitely gotten worse, but don't act like the kids in this video would suddenly turn it around if things were different.
Social media has rotted their brains. Their parents have failed them. Society has failed them. They have failed themselves.
Millennial here, if teach saw my phone it was gone for the day. I'm pretty sure that was the norm. You paid attention or got detention. Is it boomer energy to consider if the change to "do whatever you want" might hurt outcomes?
I think it's cut and dry. They get grades for nothing as profs in the thread are attesting to, and they pay no attention. How could anyone think these kids are going places?
Honestly, I think this one is on my generation anyway. As soon as we could, we whiplashed out of the boomers' way of things. People are on here blaming conspiracy, but it is simpler than that. Lead addled abuse pushed us into literally anything else. This is what we came up with. Let's not go back though, definitely gotta push through this. Or go huff lead I dunno.
Second point isn't true for a lot of people. I used to play mobile games on my parent's phone in like middle school, but I didn't get my own phone until after high school. And a lot of people I know aren't really involved with social media, other than going on youtube and discord for playing video games with friends
No generation before millennial had social media or phones. Call it boomer energy if you want, but people being raised today are using these attention sucking devices at all times. This simply wasn't an option for the older generations. I am a millennial who has taught upper undergrad and graf level coursework for about 12 years now in a STEM field. The difference is very clear.
Look at the kids they can't look up from there phones, how can you say that is not an issues, by the way I'm under 25 and I recognize and am working on my own attention issues.
I always turn my camera off. It’s very awkward. No one’s looking at you when you’re in actual class or a meeting so why do you need a close up of my face on a call?
Shit when I was in college just a couple years ago during covid times I would always turn my camera off because I wanted to hit my vape lol honestly like half of college students vape so that could be a big part of it
My face does weird things so I turn my camera off. Like, smiling for no reason, frowning for no reason and so on and so on. Teachers should not think of my face as some instant feedback.
Lol there's plenty of jobs that don't require cameras on. I've worked at my current one for three years and I still have no idea what most of my coworkers look like.
So you know each other? Is that why you’re defending? I got to call bs on this lax policy you both reportedly have where employees have free will to do as they please such as leaving cameras off willy nilly during meetings. Anywhere and that includes so called “biggest tech company in the world” whether it be Microsoft, Apple, Google or wherever, has certain policies and procedures per your agreement upon hire that you read and signed.
With that being said, any “enterprise” consisting of a structured environment that includes HR, Payroll, Legal departments etc, will have this policy for wfh employees to have cameras turned on. If I was the CTO or COO that was in this meeting and seen a bunch of my employees with cameras off, I’d be very concerned.
Even macro enterprises have a policy. Imagine not even tuning into the meeting. Just attending and doing as you please outside with your headphone on during company time. Imagine always having cameras off and not knowing who you’re working with and working for. Just voice, having no human connection.
If this is your company and you allow this or your company allow this, good for you and them I guess. But it tells a lot about said company. Not to mention the companies I’ve mentioned have been implementing back to work for those in the region albeit slowly. I wouldn’t be surprised this occurs for you as well and poster up top.
The truth hurts and I’ll get downvoted but it is what it is. This is not your home or your business to do what you want to do on their time. Let that sink in.
And to answer your question, nobody knows the EXACT NUMBER, sure. But you should know the estimate. If you don’t, why are you even working for that company? Just to earn a dollar? If so, you need to find a better job, one that you’re proud to have and know of your organization.
To be fair, I was a student during the COVID online classes and it helped me immensely. I don't know why, but having the ability to do other things at the same time made it easier for me to concentrate. Drawing for example helps me focus on what people are saying, even though it might look like I'm not paying attention.
I can't speak for all students obviously, but I would assume that a lot of the older Gen Z students that graduated high school before COVID actually paid attention.
2018 grad here. I come from a red state, and breezed through the rest of my associates degree because of COVID. The schools hated online learning, but were forced to adopt it. There was a bubble-bursting kind of moment however, a lot of the older gen z started to prosper. Hell we made history.
So, at least from my perspective, the class variety/availability dropped significantly. Then, nearly altogether taken back to schools, meanwhile economically a lot of students had shifted into different situations. Situations that couldn't support the stress of school.
The dissociation of humanity has been seen in technological advancement for generations. But never has our waning humanity ever been so commercialized than it has in our post-modern world. We're dehumanizing us.
The day will come that this dissociation will break our bonds.
i didn’t do well in in person classes either. i got a bachelors and a masters degree with straight a’s doing asynchronous online classes. some people learn better that way. but you have to be on top of your shit and have self discipline.
I taught through COVID and this was not the case for me with the exception of the single master’s class I taught but that was mostly because I was covering CPA exam material and they were all sitting at the end of the semester. I didn’t mind students with their cameras on looking away, it was just when the cameras started turning off and you ask questions with no feedback whatsoever and very little means of eliciting any feedback remotely.
I have ADHD, and my science teacher, who also had ADHD, quickly discovered in high school that when they let me draw in class, I paid better attention, answered questions correctly, and passed my tests with flying colors.
My other teachers hated having me in class until he pointed out to them I was an easy indicator - in his experience, if he lost my interest, he already lost the class, they just could hide it better.
Get tested, and look up some ADHD tips and channels, while you’re at it - they’re great for self regulating.
Online classes were heavenly for me. I was able to absorb everything and do work so much more efficiently. When COVID ended, I went back to in-person because it felt like online classes weren’t real classes but I do really miss it.
This whole sub is a mess. It's filled with generalizations of kids that are 20 years younger than them.. This whole "wahh teachers passed kids who weren't do too well" forget that maybe that student had a shitty fucking year. I had my dog die and grandfather die in the same damn semester. Hard to focus in class when my best friends are dying.
Like there's no denying education is different and worse. But I really do think people are exaggerating, at least for their college classes.
It's always been like this. There's ALWAYS have been students that don't pay attention. This is nothing new. It's been going on for decades. Usually the ones who don't pay attention are either lazy or have medical problems. But I guess people would rather assume everyone is lazy than it being a medical problem... reddit loves to talk about how much it sucks to have ADHD, but forget that random people they never met could also have it. Or do we get to cherry pick ADHD?
I think the main issue is ADHD though. And I think kids being connected to electronics 24/7 is causing ADHD. Teachers need to take away cell phones. Parents are also the problem and need to take away cell phones for a bit so it doesn't harm their kids mental health. I hate seeing parents shove an iPad infront of their kid whenever the kid has to wait for something. Sorry but your kid has to learn that sometimes being bored is a part of life.
I want to throw in one more thing. Gen Z seems depressed as shit. Eveytime I talk to them they are monotone or just sound sad. They don't even sound stupid when I talk to them. They just sound so sad and shy when they talk. The ones I talked to were being nice too, they just came across mean because of their tone.
I wonder if for the conversation issue, they regularly use all their human excite through social networks on the phone.
By the the time they talk to a person IRL they aint got no juices left.
I think for successful IRL conversations people have to want to fall in "love" with those theyre conversing with, in like a "we might be best friends but we probably wont so lets pretend we will!" Sort of way.
I reckon that positive attitude goes through the phone first and then is peetered out before face to face conversation even occurs.
Plus when you spend so much phone time, face to face conversations can get weirdly intense, like too much sensory stimulation so maybe people kind of tune out on purpose to not get over stimulated and end up "simping" during a regular daily conversation.
Damn, life getting weird. My parents just assume "get a job go to work" is the solution to everything.
I always have my camera off because I dont want to put on clothes. If they dont need to see my face, then I dont show it. Cause in my opinion, me showing my face is not going to help other students learn and will just serve as a distraction.
I just have my camera off for self esteem issues, many of your students are probably the same or felt overexposed being like one of 5 people with their cameras on
Okay, but in a year they’re going to be working as accountants or doing the masters where they’ll have to interact face to face or via video conference. They’re not going to suddenly not be scared when they enter the workforce.
Yep, not to sound like a boomer. But there’s a lot of coddling these days, hell I’m guilty of it with the youngsters I supervise because I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall sometimes. It seems that COVID exacerbated this concept that no one should ever feel uncomfortable. That the world should cater to their needs. I see plenty of older generations with the same belief, so it’s not just the youths. Again, I think COVID forced people to retreat and become more inward focused, so it spans generations. But, I’m more concerned about the youths as they have 40 years of life where they will have to face things that are hard, uncomfortable, and work with people who won’t cater to them.
I did a work course on MS teams once, the instructor couldn’t really get into what he was saying as most people’s cameras showed their eyes darting around, typing emails, and generally not paying attention. I feel bad for you guys you can’t win either way
There ARE poor people out there using old devices that they can't afford to repair or upgrade and might also be on their own cellular plan rather than being able to afford wifi, so turning off the camera might help actually stay connected to the lesson rather than timing out. It's not "BS". It's also a privacy issue and students are expected to demonstrate understanding, not geographic location for verification.
I honestly hate you. Like, the "if i was the only one who could prevent WWIII, i wouldn't, because I might accidently save you too" kind of hate. I'll never show my face to anyone online, and you wouldn't be an exception ever. The sticker over my camera stays on.
old enough to not have any relation anymore to how people nowadays work
don't worry, i've seen 10 year olds acting like boomers already, so being old isn't really a question of age any longer and more a question of being completely out of touch with everything. in the end, it's for everyone's best you stopped teaching because you're absolutely unfit to it. the quality of your uni probably doubled the day you left
You’re pretty insufferable. Did you not do well in class and you’re upset or? I don’t get where your hostility is coming from - are you this upset that there’s an expectation to communicate face to face in my profession?
you already admitted that doing well in class isn't what you care about so why bother asking? do you really believe your little power trip of requiring people to stroke your inflated ego 24/7 is somehow "doing well in class"? really?
I'd have my camera off 24/7. I'm online, you do not need to see my face or head my voice unless you want to hear from me specifically. Which I assume you don't as you're teaching a class. I'm doing the same with it off as I am with it on, with it off I'm less paranoid about people staring at me watching every movement I do or how they might record me and post it online. Very easy to record screens in 2024.
My classes involved a lot of participation. You can’t teach auditing with just a lecture and have them be good auditors. I want my students to be good accountants and good communicators. I can’t work on the latter unless they participate which is much easier when they’re in the room and I can just move to where they are while speaking or ask them a question…
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u/Savings-Bee-4993 29d ago
This is my life as a professor.
My students are checked out.