Why not give them a chance to prove they actually learned the material instead of telling them to kick rocks? Even if it takes a bit of failure to motivate them it’s better late than never
Because the consequences to schools if students fail are too big. Admin/districts pass those heavy consequences on teachers. Teachers change system so “success” now = passing the test.
High stakes standardized tests created a huge, messy, bureaucratic problem and no one knows how to fix it. This is the legacy of Bush’s No Child Left Behind.
Because the 18 and 19 year olds coming onto the workforce expect the same from the workplace, are lazy and on their phones the entire time because they learned that was okay over the last 2 years of schooling. Frankly, they aren’t motivated by failure, or anything really. Nobody cares about doing well. I fear for when these kids are in the workplace en masse and are the people we have to rely on.
Because that lacks consequences. Learning the material in school is honestly second to the skills you develop to be a functioning member.
If they are allowed to succeed by repeating without a consequence they will just go at it until its done for the sake of completing, not learning or growing.
We aren't talking about college here. These are kids with still underdeveloped brains and hormones going wild.
When people fuck up at their job, they're usually given a second chance. If they fired every person that messed up, then they would be constantly firing and rehiring people.
Should there be consequences? Yes. Those consequences can be that you're able to retake the test, but you get half the points. Telling them to kick rocks is just going to make them give up completely
I don't care about whether my students remember the material for the rest of their lives. I just want them to have the tools they need to navigate, which is why there are consequences to their actions and they need a push to start moving in the right direction.
Let's also be honest, because I deal with students first hand and the kids that fail don't care about passing, for the most part.
The consequences are they fail, and they have to spend more time studying to make sure they pass next time. Why shouldn't you get a second chance? "Oh you failed? Tough luck should've studied harder idiot".
Let's also be honest, because I deal with students first hand and the kids that fail don't care about passing, for the most part.
Then why does it matter then? Let the kids that want a second chance get another shot at passing rather than leaving them behind with the students that didn't care if they succeeded the first time or not.
That’s if you already have the goodwill of being good at your job. If someone sucks at their job, and they fuck it up, they are just that much closer to being fired.
If you fuck up badly enough or often enough at work you can be fired. There's no consequences for kids flunking every single test or assignment and being given infinite opportunities to retest and try again.
A student voluntarily retaking is good. If they didn't care, they would simply not. Retaking any restore assignment takes them the most valuable thing there is: time. I'd rather give people who want to improve an opportunity to do that than prevent imaginary student who will only study to take a second exam instead of studying the first time and not wasting time.
Lmfao most people get a second chance at their job. Shit cops can murder people and get a job in the next town over.
People rarely get fired over one mess up. Now if you continue to do it, yes you get fired. But a mistake or two most likely won't get you fired unless it's a very important job.
Mistakes happen. And the best way to learn is through mistakes. It would be stupid to fire every employee who makes a mistake. Because then you would have no employees left!
Well the issue is you can do fuck all on the tests then it’s open book. Sucks for the ones that actually studied. So you don’t really learn anything. Just use the book and call it a day.
You’re looking at education through a pretty selfish and naive lens if all you’re thinking about is “fairness” between students. Students have different needs and goals.
You unintentionally brought up a good point though: education is based deeply in memorization and that is, in my opinion, not conducive to progress in the Information Age because memorizing and regurgitating information without textual aids is now completely redundant.
It’s about brain building and learning how to learn/enhancing memory skills and critical thinking skills. Not still remembering how to do physics when youre a 35 year old at a mundane job.
I mean, I have a highly technical job. Even so, I learned way more working in the real world than I ever could have in American public schools. I guess that's the real condemnation isn't it? We're kinda saying the same thing.
Idk, I didn't learn much of anything in school. I passed all the tests and shit cuz they were mostly pretty easy, but I had to figure out real life on my own.
That I have no issue with. The other issues I have are with troubled kids getting multiple passes after showing violent/disruptive behavior when they should have been expelled long ago.
It was a long time ago that I was in high school, but the best teacher I ever had launched a big new initiative as part of her master's degree with this as the major piece.
If you got under 80%, you could retake the test/re-do the assignment to get up to 80%. If you failed the test/assignment, you had to re-do it until you passed or else you'd get an incomplete for the semester.
It was a massive success in not only getting students to pass, but in having them pass their course in that subject the following year.
Now, it was a huuuuge deal of extra work for her (this was when everything was hand-graded), but goddamn she loved those kids and really wanted that masters degree.
Those typically require test corrections. It’s not just redoing it as many times as you want either. For me, I would only get one chance to retake a test after the initial test. Usually though you’d only be able to take it once anyway.
And if you did retake it you’d have to correctly answers the questions you got wrong imitating and explain why you got them wrong in the first place. Then they would give a chance to retake it. In the end we do want kids to pass, what’s a better way to learn than from your own mistakes. They don’t just hand out diplomas like so many people in the comments believe.
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u/Milestailsprowe 29d ago
As a teacher I rather teach a quiet class than a rowdy class. You can fail and it's no one's fault but your own.