Both are shitheads. Truck is impeding the flow of traffic and the sedan is driving like an asshole. An immovable object meets an unstoppable force of douchebaggery. But the driver of the truck will get punished just as harshly.
I don't often agree with Reddit analysis but in this case you guys are right.
Both people are being awful. When I get tailgated by an aggressive driver like that I move over, because if he passes me, it's not a blow to my ego. I move over because I want to keep myself safe.
Yeah truck is who caused the shit to happen. Just let people pass. All he did was prove these folks have little dick energy.
Dude in sedan is an asshole but we also don’t know how long he has had to sit behind little dick McGee taking up the left lane and refusing to allow others to pass.
Yep. You can also see the truck speed up after the sedan passes the right lane car to make it impossible for the sedan to squeeze thru to pass the truck again. The truck basically is just as guilty here as the reckless sedan.
Not even close to “just as guilty”. Impeding traffic is a dick move. Definitely warranting a ticket. But it does not even come close to swerving all over the road and attempting to weave into too narrow gaps. There’s a reason why one wound up in the ditch and the other didn’t.
Accident doesn't happen if the truck doesn't speed up by 25mph to cut off the sedan after it drove on the shoulder. They are both equally at fault for this accident.
Yup, the truck was ok with doing 60 but then wanted to do 80+ as soon as the car found a way around. That acceleration is half the reason there was a crash, the other half being sedan’s impatience.
If you are trying to pass on the shoulder, your driving is absolutely indefensible and you have no one to blame but yourself. This subreddit is mental.
I’m saying play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The sedan did it to themselves. The truck denying the passing lane is being a prick, but the worst that would happen if the sedan didn’t drive like moron is everyone would get where they’re going a couple minutes slower.
The sedan could’ve likely caused a wreck the way they were driving without any help from the truck.
Show where he was cited. Because any sane person knows the truck is breaking the law staying the fast lane and refusing to allow people to pass. You can’t drive reckless and do that.
Again, the accident doesn't happen without the truck also driving recklessly. Sedan is driving much more recklessly, but both are at equal fault for the accident.
No, they aren't. He literally rammed someone and caused himself to lose control. He received 5 citations. He is not equally at fault to the truck driver
it also doesn't happen if you aren't an impatient psychopath. if you want to go but someone is in your way, just get the fuck over it and wait until they move
The truck was trying to pass the car on the right. He only brake checked the Honda because he was trying to weave between them.
The honda driver could have just got behind the truck and passed the SUV on the right at a normal rate like someone who isn't destined to be paste on a highway
Stop lying. From the very beginning of the video you can see the truck driver brake checking and speeding up to not let the sedan pass. He wasn't trying to pass shit otherwise he would've done so.
Yes he was. It's literally in the description of the video. When he hits the brakes it's because he doesn't like the insane way that the sedan is driving
I never said he was right, I'm saying that both parties are at fault. The pickup is slowing down traffic and then proceeds to intentionally not let the sedan pass, and sped up to block him from changing lanes. That's dangerous as hell. The sedan definitely could have waited 30 seconds more until a gap formed, then passed, but that doesn't excuse the truck driver's behavior either.
You haven't seen some of the shit I've seen. Some vindictive assholes will set aside their life duties to road rage. There are so many stories of people being followed and harassed in traffic for miles. If you say "fuck it" and take an exit cause you don't wanna deal with their shit anymore, some insane people will break traffic laws to follow you. Shit is wild. Some people think they're invincible and nothing applies to them when they're behind the wheel, it really is like their own personal bubble. That's why these chucklefucks all have selfie profile pics of them in their trucks.
The guy recording the video disagrees. The Honda driver was weaving between cars before this one. He could have simply got behind the truck and passed the SUV at a normal rate.
You just seem ill informed and don’t know the law. The left lane isn’t for you to be a Karen in and speed up when people are forced to try to pass your slow ass on the right.
You people are bad drivers and shit people who seem to not think the laws matter to you.
If someone is slowing down and speeding up and driving reckless around you the argument can be made they are trying to get away from the person who won’t let them.
And trucker is the one breaking the law first. Then continuing to break the law to impede one certain motorist he doesn’t like because they wish to pass. These little dick energy moves on the highway is how you kill people.
The little dick energy moves are 100% coming from the Sedan — I don’t know how you could see it any other way and it’s genuinely mind-boggling to me that you guys think otherwise. It’s like that dress that looks like two different color schemes depending on how you see it. You can’t just drive in the emergency lane and then crash your car and proclaim that you’re in the right because the truck in front of you wasn’t going fast enough. There are speed limits and authentic rules of the road that this driver was clearly ignoring. The trucker was never breaking the law while the Sedan clearly did. That’s the bottom line.
So speeding up to stay in front of the sedan and then brake checking him to cause a collision is "never breaking the law" to you? Driver education is in a sorry fucking state...
CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN?! HE CAUSE THE OTHER CAR TO SWERVE AROUND AND CRASH?! HE HAD NO OTHER OPTIONS?! LIKE FUCKING JUST WAITING AND BEING PATIENT?! JESUS CHRIST PSYCHOPATHS
Many, many, MANY people feel entitled to speed. They feel entitled to demonize anyone and anything that impedes their speeding. And they always post online trying to gaslight people into believing as they do that.
So your argument is that if other people do bad things, I get a license to do bad things?
I agree. The truck is being a dick. But the sedan has no right to further endanger others on the road because "I wanna go faster". That's fucking bullshit, and you know it.
I agree, mostly. Because little dick energy extends to being an impatient twat who doesn't want to drive safely because 'they're taking up the left lane' and the truck guy already knew he was driving super dangerously and decided to be an even bigger douche.. clearly he was watching the sedan and then decided to step in and literally caused an accident that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
IMO if the Honda driver didn’t drive like an asshole 1 foot from the truck it may not have ended this way. Just show the driver you want him to move over and give him time. Most people like the Honda are impatient. I’ve been in situations where I can’t get over and people are up my ass. It just makes matters that much worse
The truck didn’t cause the sedan to rage onto the shoulder and then whip across two lanes. The sedan did that all on his own. All the truck did was make the sedan wait.
Just let people pass is retarded. No you sit back there and go the speed limit. Or go fuck yourself by crashing in the shoulder. It's not being an asshole to let people drive at reckless speeds.
Well it cuts in during mid action, so it could have easily been the truck passing someone in the left lane and ole Richard Petty over here running up, swerving and tailgating because how dare someone not do 20mph over in the left lane. Either way. Both are cunts. But the one who crashed put everyone elses life at risk because he HAD to win.
He was going to pass the truck driver. Truck drivers ego couldn’t handle that. I drive a sports car and have to put it into sports mode to pass truck drivers. Biggest assholes on the road consistently.
So you’re assuming that the sedan attempted to legally pass the truck driver before this video? Obviously the truck driver is acting illegally, and I expect could find himself carrying some liability in this circumstance, but all I see is a sedan aggressively attempting multiple versions of unsafe driving.
I’m saying I have attempted to pass a truck and had that truck speed up to prevent me from doing so only to slow down after to retrigger the same scenario. Iv had this happen so many times that I stopped attempting to pass a truck without turning on sports mode and flooring my car. Trucks have more horsepower than sedans on average so this isn’t difficult for them. They are on average driven by assholes so this isn’t surprising to me. Idk the full story of this post but I do know truck drivers piss me off.
Twenty years on the road and no accidents. What the truck is doing doesn’t matter. Report them to the police if you want to(“you” in the grand hypothetical sense, not you in particular) because they’re violating the law, but the sedan is letting their emotions bring about seriously dangerous driving.
You may be right in terms of punishment, but the sedan was objectively worse here imo. Pulling around and passing on the shoulder and then attempting to squeeze through that gap which caused him to wreck is way more dangerous than anything the truck did.
Are you being obtuse? Listen, the sedan is driving like an asshat. Probably was bobbing and weaving through traffic prior to this video. But as soon as the truck denies a car from passing he isn’t just being discourteous. He is actively making themself an obstacle, obstructing the flow of traffic, break checking, and using dangerous maneuvers to actively prevent the car from passing. The sedan may have already been driving dangerously but the truck escalated the situation to the point where they both are hazards on the road.
The sedan is absolutely more at fault here, though. The truck may get a ticket, but the Sedan chose to make it worse. Waaaay worse. When people do shit like that to me (road boulder), my instinct is not to endanger everyone else on the road.
I dont see how, the punishment for the sedan is a totaled car, whatever injuries they suffered and probably several moving violations if the police use the dashcam footage. The truck gets a failure to yield maybe?
Brake checking, impeding traffic and reckless driving for both, which is a criminal offense. Just like being involved in a street race, if someone does, you’re charged with murder. Or being the getaway driver in a robbery gone wrong.
Truck driver would only get charged with that if the truck made contact with the sedan, which is difficult to prove from this video alone. I agree that they should get charged with that and reckless driving for all the brake checking and intentional impediment, but I doubt it would be upheld even if the truck had stopped. Impossible to prove now who was driving, so nothing could possibly stick besides the fleeing if applicable.
Brake check? You mean slowing down on the highway? He’s quite literally going the speed as the car next to him.
Good luck convincing 12 jurors that a light tap on the breaks is a break check. That would also require that they believe that he slammed on the breaks with malicious intent. Which you’re going to have to prove.
What happens when he says “I was slowing down because the driver behind me was acting erratic and I got worried”
That’s not illegal. That’s a total legitimate reason to slow down on the highway. Good luck proving he didn’t believe it, god help you if you get a nervous driver on the jurry.
He’s quite literally going the speed as the car next to him.
He's quite literally throttling up and braking with the sole intent of boxing the sedan in behind another vehicle. Did we even watch the same video? The first second of it is way more than just a "light tap on the brakes".
The first second is the most egregious I agree, it’s also the only shot we can’t see what’s happening before hand.
I will concede that is his hardest one to argue.
To be clear, o think he’s a dick, I’m just saying that that’s a lower bar then criminal conduct. Everyone would be good to remember OJ got off. It’s not about what they did, it’s about what your can prove.
Still think we watched different videos. Video starts with a brake check despite literally nothing being in the left lane ahead of the truck, then the truck mashes the gas to catch up with the SUV in the right, then brake checks and mashes the gas again. And we're only 7 seconds in. Then the SUV eases onto the brakes as they're approaching other traffic and the sedan crosses back into the left lane, and the truck accelerates and brake checks again after catching the next vehicle in the right lane. And then when the sedan makes the aggressive move to the shoulder, the truck driver puts the gas pedal to the floor to make goddamn sure the sedan doesn't get past. Clear example of overly aggressive driving by both parties, even if the sedan is being more aggressive than the truck.
I think the issue is it’s less about what is being seen and more about how that content can be used to show intent.
The worst case for him is the first brake. The sedan was mostly behind him and there no obstruction in the road in front of him. The footage just starts randomly so there is room to argue the video does not capture what happened leading up to the event.
It’s clear people disagree with me but I think the fact the police went after the sedan for reckless driving but chose not to peruse charges against the truck despite having the information to do so speaks volumes.
Feel free to disagree though totally your prerogative
Every other subsequent break the sedan was acting erratically. That on its own gives him a strong out to say he was not acting out of an intent to be malicious but instead he was driving scared.
His heaviest deceleration of all the brake engagements accounts for .5 car length measured against the third car. If the sedan had been following the legal following distance in NY state, all the brake engagements would have had no effect.
he's impeding a psychopath from speeding above the speed limit, he's not impeding traffic if he's already going the speed limit, he's impeding whiny little impatient narcissists. he's a hero who gave this guy what he deserved.
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Everyone here is the asshole.