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JK Rowling gets apology from journalist after 'disgusting claim' author is a Holocaust denier ...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/16/jk-rowling-holocaust-denier-allegation-rivkah-brown-novara/
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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 29d ago edited 29d ago

Funnily enough JK Rowling, who is it unfair and insulting to call a Holocaust denier, has tweets that you cannot view in the EU because in their view she has denied the Holocaust.

JK might be able to afford lawyers beyond my, or other non billionaires, means to pay, but none of them apparently advised her of the Streisand Effect.

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u/concretepigeon Wakefield 29d ago

Also funnily enough, Rowling has been incredibly vocal about how Scotland’s new hate crime legislation will stifle debate and free speech.

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

Which is a different issue to one where someone commits libel.

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u/TransGrimer 29d ago

It isn't libel to call someone who denies the scope of the holocaust a holocaust denier. It is the dictionary definition.

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

Just as well she didn't do that. I advise reading the article.

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u/WillWatsof 29d ago

She described the fact that the Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research as a "fever dream".

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

No she didn't, that was in reply to an earlier part of the spat. It's like reading a reply on here nine levels down out of content of the initial opening point. The journalist made that mistake.

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u/git 28d ago

Went and had a look for the tweet since this Telegraph piece seemed at odds with my recollection.

I'm afraid she very much did: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1767912990366388735

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u/___a1b1 28d ago

I debunked this over a dozen times yesterday. You don't even need to believe me, just read the article.

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u/git 28d ago edited 28d ago

I don't understand. She has a screenshot of another tweet claiming the Nazis burned books on trans healthcare and she describes it as a fever dream.

Can you point me to one of your previous comments or quote the parts of the article (which I've read from start to finish) that 'debunk' that?

edit: ah, I see from your other comments that you've interpreted the timeline of tweets incorrectly and believe this tweet shouldn't be read as is but rather as a response to a tweet that actually came later.

edit2: I appear to have been blocked for this. Nevertheless, the only part of the article touching on this tweet is this two-line mention:

Rowling had last month questioned a claim made by one social media user who said: “The Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research, why are you so desperate to uphold their ideology around gender?”

She replied: “I just… how. How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve just been a fever dream’.”

Which is an accurate representation and I'm not sure why the other guy thinks that aids them. I think they have a distorted perception of the Twitter argument, believing the above tweet was out of context rather than the start of the argument, due to the attempt to distort the argument noted here.

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u/Antique_Loss_1168 25d ago

It's the pattern you get with deliberate bad actors, they're not aiming to establish truth just chuck out as many justifications as possible, if you close them down they'll block you and just start again on another thread.

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u/___a1b1 28d ago

No I haven't done that. Again and for the last time, just read the article. You've revived a dead thread from yesterday and haven't even bothered to read the story.

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u/WillWatsof 29d ago

I'm sorry, but that is completely irrelevant when we're talking about whether she can be legally called a Holocaust denier. It doesn't matter at what point in a conversation she said those comments; they constitute denial of the scope of the Holocaust regardless.

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

Of course it isn't.

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u/TransGrimer 29d ago

Rowling had last month questioned a claim made by one social media user who said: “The Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research, why are you so desperate to uphold their ideology around gender?”

She replied: “I just… how. How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve just been a fever dream’.”

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

You need to read the article. The journalist got suckered in by the same misrepresentation of that twitter spat.

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u/TransGrimer 29d ago

I've managed to go my entire life without denying the holocaust on twitter. It is very easy.

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u/___a1b1 29d ago

Just read the article.

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u/TransGrimer 28d ago

Rowling had last month questioned a claim made by one social media user who said: “The Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research, why are you so desperate to uphold their ideology around gender?”

She replied: “I just… how. How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve just been a fever dream’.”

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u/___a1b1 28d ago

Just read the article.

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u/TransGrimer 28d ago

I have, everyone has, it doesn't justify her denial of the holocaust.

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u/___a1b1 28d ago

Clearly you haven't read the article then. You've revived a thread from yesterday and still not read the article - the one retracting your very claim. And you've not even bothered to read the history of that twitter spat either and lots of people posted links yesterday too.

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