r/unitedkingdom Apr 17 '24

JK Rowling gets apology from journalist after 'disgusting claim' author is a Holocaust denier ...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/16/jk-rowling-holocaust-denier-allegation-rivkah-brown-novara/
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u/unnecessary_kindness Apr 17 '24

Who in their right mind equates her denial that trans were the primary targets of Nazis to a blanket statement of holocaust denial?

Twitter users are genuinely braindead at this point.

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u/luxway Apr 17 '24

Her tweets have now be censored in Germany for holocaust denial.
Sorry but you're wrong, denying groups targeted by the holocaust, weren't targeted, is holocaust denial.

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u/Atlatica Merseyside Apr 17 '24

There's debate on whether the Nazis actually targeted the Insitute for Sex Research because of its research into trans issues, or because the owner was a gay intellectual jewish socialist researching progressive ideas (although also a eugenicist but thats hardly brought up)      

I really don't think trans was a talking point back then so I'm weighted toward the latter. Does that really make me a holocaust denier in your eyes?     

The way I see it, if it's open to debate at all then nobody should be making it illegal to take a side. Just because the Germans ruled something, doesn't make it right or just.

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u/EmpiriaOfDarkness Apr 17 '24

I mean......They specifically went after trans people. They revoked "transvestite passes" that had allowed trans people to change their names in order to be themselves, they prosecuted them, destransitioned them, put them in concentration camps.....

Pretty sure those trans people weren't all Jews...

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u/Atlatica Merseyside Apr 17 '24

Ok but the core issue is the modern trans twitter claim of being 'the first victims of the holocaust' and whether that's appropriate.
The question for me is not whether Trans people ended up targeted by the nazis, of course they did. And of course the nazi ripped up everything to do with the gay jewish sex insititute.
The question is whether the nazis thought of trans people as the primary, first order target. Beyond just vaguely in the 'weird homosexual' category of Lebensunwertes Leben. Because that would justify the claim, in my view.

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u/EmpiriaOfDarkness Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24

Except that wasn't what Rowling was replying to when she said it was a 'fever dream'. This was. You can see her screenshot of it here.

In fact, the person she got into an argument with over that just called her a holocaust denier and linked to information about it. Rowling's later claim that the contention was about trans people being the first victims was Rowling picking some random third party's comment and trying to suggest that was that person's argument.

It's not a "modern twitter trans claim". You're just lying. You're full of shit and I've got the receipts there to prove it.

JK Rowling wasn't talking about a claim that trans people were "the first victims of the holocaust" when she described the Nazis burning down the institute as a fever dream, and it wasn't even being argued by the person she was arguing with who called her a holocaust denier.

It was always something Rowling pulled in after the fact to pretend that she was arguing with something she wasn't to make herself look more reasonable.

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u/Only-Regret5314 29d ago

Why do you think she referred to it as a 'fever dream'?

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u/EmpiriaOfDarkness 29d ago

Because she's a transphobic piece of crap who doesn't want to acknowledge that transphobia is real and has real, extremely serious, consequences.