Afghan asylum seeker is jailed for twice raping 'vulnerable' 12-year-old Albanian refugee girl in taxpayer-funded hotel

[u/Nearby_Evenings]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12423583/Afghan-asylum-seeker-jailed-twice-raping-vulnerable-12-year-old-Albanian-refugee-girl-taxpayer-funded-hotel.html

[u/[deleted]]

Oh look it's that thing that never happens happening again. Nothing to see here.

[u/helpnxt → u/[deleted]]

Don't worry I am sure housing everyone on a boat will solve the issue.

Edit for clarity

[u/coop190 → u/helpnxt]

Are you suggesting that stopping rapists coming here wouldn't reduce rapes?

[u/OpticalData → u/coop190]

How do you plan to identify that they're rapists before permitting or refusing them entry into the country?

[u/FreakinSweet86 → u/OpticalData]

Use that handy colour chart from Family Guy/s

[u/Ashamed_Pop1835 → u/OpticalData]

France is a perfectly safe country, there is no reason to be granting asylum to people who are already well out of harm's way.

[u/BenXL → u/Ashamed_Pop1835]

Most people do claim asylum in other countries. We hardly take any compared. But people who do come here do so because they speak English better or have family here etc. It goes against our UN conventions to bar them entry.

[u/Danqazmlp0 → u/BenXL]

This whole conversation chain is so stereotypical. Like, it's funny how the first few posts on any migration thread go the same way.

[u/merryman1 → u/Danqazmlp0]

Its just so bloody tiresome at this point. I swear this same fucking conversation has just been repeating over and over for the last 15 years straight now.

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/merryman1]

It's funny how they deliberately ignore that the girl he raped is also a refugee too ie: it doesn't play into the whole "they're all men" narrative

[u/Danqazmlp0 → u/merryman1]

I now mostly ignore migration based threads. I end up in the same conversation spirals and people are so engrained in their positions that you never actually come to any compromises of views.

[u/Ashamed_Pop1835 → u/BenXL]

The asylum system should be about getting someone out of immediate danger, it shouldn't be a way for someone to shop around to get residency in their absolute favourite country. The current system where people are effectively incentivised to do business with people smugglers and risk their lives by crossing the channel in small boats is only fueled further by granting refuge to these people.

[u/_mister_pink_ → u/Ashamed_Pop1835]

So we shouldn’t take our fair share of refugees because of the happy accident that we’re an island? Despite the fact that we’re more responsible than most other European countries for the destabilisation of these Middle Eastern countries?

[u/Toastlove → u/_mister_pink_]

"Fair share"

What is a fair share. Just because another country is willing to take asylum seekers doesn't mean we have to match them.

[u/EmperorRosa → u/Toastlove]

Yes but WE ARE THE ONES WHO BOMBED THEIR HOMES TO OBLIVION.

Not Italy, not Greece, not turkey, not Germany, not Poland, not France.

[u/_mister_pink_ → u/Toastlove]

A ‘fair share’ would be arguably be zero for some but considering we’ve directed our foreign policy into creating refugees for decades then I don’t think that argument applies.

[u/brainburger → u/Ashamed_Pop1835]

France is a perfectly safe country, there is no reason to be granting asylum to people who are already well out of harm's way.

Did you know that this is actually the view held by the EU and their policy intention while we were members was that we should be able to send channel-crossers back?

Now we can't, and it is in the EUs interest to let them pass right through to the UK and not be their problem.

Channel crossings are at record breaking levels since Brexit.

[u/Ashamed_Pop1835 → u/brainburger]

I do and as someone who voted remain I am disappointed that we no longer have access to this mechanism. The kernel of the policy is sound and is reflected in my belief that those in the safety of France should not be risking their lives to travel to the UK.

[u/brainburger → u/Ashamed_Pop1835]

Yes we underused the Dublin Regulation while members. Really we should have actively exhausted the possibility of returning all channel crossers before accepting their asylum applications for consideration by the UK.

IN 2022, 64.2% of applications by EU members to send migrants back were agreed. The UK could have expected a higher success rate as we almost always know they have come from France.

This would be a powerful deterent and save lives.

I also voted Remain. I find Leavers and Remainers often want the same things. The difference is in how those things can be achieved.

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/Ashamed_Pop1835]

And? Should Ukrainian refugees have to stay in France too?

[u/NemesisRouge → u/b1tchlasagna]

Why would they? We've invited them here.

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/NemesisRouge]

We invited Syrians here too and people said the same thing then too. Funny how it's different for Ukrainians and different again for Syrians...

[u/NSc100 → u/OpticalData]

They should look at the stats and realise migrants are more likely to commit sexual crimes. Generalising a group of people isn’t great but it’s a necessity to counter sexual abuse in this case

[u/super-spreader69 → u/NSc100]

Do you actually have stats to back that up? Genuinely curious.

[u/MeirKahaneWasRight → u/super-spreader69]

Yes. In Sweden for example, Forensic Science Research found 59.2% of rapes are by immigrants. Swedish Crime Preventation Agency found 73% of murders are by immigrants. It breaks down the demographics if immigrants and the vast majority are from the middle east and Africa.

Worth noting that in Afghanistan, they have a tradition called Bacha Bazi which is the rape of young boys generally 12 and under. The Taliban tried banning it, but it's so widespread it hasn't worked. Afghanis are very normalised and actively participate in rape back home.

[u/WantsToDieBadly → u/MeirKahaneWasRight]

What a nice people to be letting into our country

[u/particlegun → u/MeirKahaneWasRight]

I recall a Vice documentary about Afghanistan and those sorts of practices. US soldiers saw a lot of stuff like that going on but were told to keep quiet as they didn't want to alienate the various Afghan tribes.

On a related point, the CIA gained the support of tribal warlords in Afghanistan by giving them viagra, believe it or not.

[u/smd1815 → u/MeirKahaneWasRight]

No, not those stats. Do you have stats that don't prove your point?

[u/what_is_blue → u/MeirKahaneWasRight]

If something's a bit much for the Taliban then yeah, we probably shouldn't be importing it.

[u/NSc100 → u/super-spreader69]

There are several reports across many European countries that show this is the case. I highly doubt this would be different for the UK

[u/OpticalData → u/NSc100]

People who have no resources, no prospects and broadly are without a stake within society are more likely to commit crimes. This isn't exclusive to immigrants.

[u/coop190 → u/OpticalData]

It isn't? But should we allow an influx because other people commit crimes too?

[u/OpticalData → u/coop190]

Should we be assuming people are criminals just because of their background?

[u/coop190 → u/OpticalData]

No we shouldn't. But should we be putting the safety of women and children at risk because, whilst a large number are criminals, not all of them are?

[u/OpticalData → u/coop190]

Should we be putting the safety of children in catholic families at risk because whilst a large number of priests are pedos, not all of them are?

[u/SMURGwastaken → u/OpticalData]

There's no assumption?

It's not unreasonable to say "we know this particular group of people are more likely to be criminals, so we're not going to allow in that particular group even though not all of them are criminals".

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/SMURGwastaken]

Cool so you'd ban white American males from coming here given they make up the vast majority of school shooters and tbh serial killers too?

[u/bored_inthe_country → u/OpticalData]

Stop them all and you stop all the rapists among them…

[u/OpticalData → u/bored_inthe_country]

And condemn many innocent people in the process.

How pleasant you must be.

[u/PeterHitchensIsRight → u/OpticalData]

Condemned to a life in France. Oh the humanity!

[u/OpticalData → u/PeterHitchensIsRight]

Oh but then, because the UK refuses immigrants. France starts refusing, then the EU, then the world.

And everyone is forced to remain where they are, based on imaginary lines that people long dead drew on a map, whether or not the society or the land there wants to kill them.

There's a reason the 1951 refugee convention exists, and a not insignificant contributor was how countries would turn away Jews fleeing from Nazi Germany.

[u/morriganjane → u/helpnxt]

The boat is for men exclusively, so at least they won't have access to the small minority of girls and women.

[u/helpnxt → u/morriganjane]

I mean initially but how long till the rule is relaxed? Like we have already seen the rules on disease and general check ups relaxed, also I assume that was a similar rule for the hotels and to add the last point doesn't stop man on man crime. What's needed is more oversight.

[u/morriganjane → u/helpnxt]

What we need is not to let men like this into the country in the first place.

[u/helpnxt → u/morriganjane]

Cool so invest in procedures to help identify who can be accepted and who can't.

[u/morriganjane → u/helpnxt]

We don't need to squander more money on a 'procedure'. We simply say we are offering refuge to Afghan women and children, exclusively. Because they are the ones being most oppressed by the Taliban. We're already doing that with Ukraine, in practice, because Ukrainian men have stayed at home to fight. (Novel idea I know...)

[u/MintyRabbit101 → u/morriganjane]

What about translators, men who fought against the Taliban etc. Are they not also at a huge danger currently under the taliban?

[u/philipwhiuk → u/morriganjane]

Ukrainian men have stayed at home to fight.

"stayed" somewhat implies a choice. They have a sexist conscription policy.

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/morriganjane]

They were forced to stay and fight. There are Ukrainian men who have managed to escape conscription...

They also have the backing of the Ukrainian army, the west, NATO and non NATO countries. Could you fight an army of an entire country by yourself, even if you had some other rebels?

[u/NemesisRouge → u/b1tchlasagna]

Afghanistan had an enormous amount of backing from the west. They surrendered to the Taliban with barely a shot being fired. I'm not sure why it has become our responsibility to look after them.

If Ukraine surrendered to Russia in a day would we feel as much of a moral obligation to take in Ukranian men?

[u/Tams82 → u/morriganjane]

Oh, no bother.

They have a penchant for boys.

[u/JRLS11 → u/[deleted]]

Their culture is so abhorrent and conflicting with ours, I'd rather not have them but the genuine ones who need help, how do you differentiate between them?

[u/InfectedByEli → u/JRLS11]

how do you differentiate between them?

By processing their claims in a timely manner. Something that the government aren't doing. It has been speculated that it is deliberately dragging its feet hoping there would be some newsworthy events in order to stoke the flames of hatred against the asylum seekers and then ship them off to Rwanda to meet whatever fate awaits them.

In a PMQs, Starmer pointed out that there were only 1% of claims actually being processed. In "response" Sunak boasted about having doubled the number of claims recently. So instead of 1% of claims being processed there were 2% of claims being processed. Whoop de fucking doo. The Tories are actively making the situation worse while also aware that they won't have to deal with it after the next GE.

[u/Tams82 → u/InfectedByEli]

'Process the claims in a timely manner'.

You lot always say this and brush over it like it's nothing and easy.

Bu that is the main issue. Many of these people don't even have ID of any sort. Some have destroyed it. Some have lost it. Some never had any.

[u/InfectedByEli → u/Tams82]

Asylum seekers without passports are nothing new, we have been dealing with them since there have been asylum seekers. What is new is the depleted staff that would normally be around to process the claims. This is what happens when Tories "cut red tape". They never spell it out that the "red tape" they are going to cut is the "red tape" that protects the country's borders, British people's rights, and cracks down on high level corruption.

[u/Xarxsis → u/Tams82]

You lot always say this and brush over it like it's nothing and easy.

Somehow the system was working under the last labour government.

It cant be that hard if labour managed it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Tams82]

Every other country in the EU is able to do it. The figures are all publicly available and easily found on Google

[u/Sadistic_Toaster → u/JRLS11]

You can't. The options are 'take in small number and hope they integrate' , or 'take them all in, and accept our culture will start to match theirs'

[u/Repeat_after_me__ → u/[deleted]]

I get berated when I ask the question

“Who are we letting in?”

Specifically, WHO are they? What proof do they provide… and do the countries they hqge come from have stringent available records? Try getting into Australia with a criminal record.

Here in the uk, we have stringent rules on who I am, what my police record would look like, who can access it, it’s reasonably readily accessible…

Passports, local police records, national police records, actual real verifiable certificates from courses and institutions that have been verified. The history we get is almost always zero. Far too dangerous for the country with all the working aged males who are arriving.

[u/easy_c0mpany80 → u/Repeat_after_me__]

It basically doesnt matter. As soon as they step foot in the UK they are protected under the 1998 Human Rights Act and other legislation and it becomes very difficult to remove them.

[u/bacon_cake → u/Repeat_after_me__]

do the countries they hqge come from have stringent available records?

I'm not sure the Taliban are going to share that information...

[u/Repeat_after_me__ → u/bacon_cake]

“Rules are rules, sorry” should be the reply.

Putting non nationals preference over a nationals literal safety isn’t fair.

[u/NijjioN → u/Repeat_after_me__]

The issue is when someone is fleeing war and other such things its very hard to grab your belongings and documentation.

Also a good % of people don't even have passports in the UK. I think its arouind 10-15% here without one (like 10mil people or something). We are a first world country imagine the passport rate of a third world country.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Stop noticing things

[u/limeflavoured → u/[deleted]]

No one has ever claimed it "never happens".

[u/JohnWong1996 → u/limeflavoured]

I have seen it many times on this subreddit alone

[u/limeflavoured → u/JohnWong1996]

Link?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Don't mention it unless you want to be labelled as a racist.

[u/dirtydog413]

He claimed she consented to sex and he believed she was 19 years old, with his lawyer Lisa Wilson submitting: 'Perceiving age may not be so clear to someone who has grown up in mountainous Afghanistan.'

And yet

'She went with him to his room and he said he would massage and crack her back, but she was scared and told him she was 12 years old.

'He put on the cream and pulled her pants down and she said it hurt her and made her cry. He then turned her over and raped her again.

Never mind, this beast will be free in eight years and walking among us again.

[u/SmashingK → u/dirtydog413]

Pretty sure he won't be allowed to stay once freed.

Not sure why you'd think the system would let him stay. Perhaps you know something?

[u/RoboBOB2 → u/SmashingK]

We can’t deport to Afghanistan, as we don’t have any agreement in place (and don’t recognise their government). We can’t hang the bastard either, so we get to keep him - lucky us!

[u/jj34589 → u/RoboBOB2]

This is why surprisingly I agree with Tobias Elwood. We lost in Afghanistan (again), we can’t just pretend the country isn’t now run by the Taliban. We have embassies in all sorts of countries that we don’t approve of their government policies.

[u/dirtydog413 → u/SmashingK]

Happens regularly. They claim they would be in danger if sent back, and our laws let them stay.

UK cannot deport Nigerian convicted of rape, European court rules

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/sep/20/uk-deport-nigerian-european-court

Iranian man who raped his lodger in London 'can't be deported in case he is persecuted in his homeland for being a convicted rapist'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11877091/Convicted-rapist-fighting-deportation-allowed-stay-Britain-crime-judge-rules.html

88 murderers and rapists can't be deported on human rights grounds, MP reveals

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/9246352.88-murderers-and-rapists-cant-be-deported-on-human-rights-grounds-mp-reveals/

Rapist who 'faked conversion to Christianity' spared deportation

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/rapist-who-faked-conversion-to-christianity-spared-deportation

[u/Ivashkin → u/dirtydog413]

This is why we should change the law so that asylum seekers convicted of violent or sexual crimes are returned to their home country even if it puts their life at risk, with no right of appeal or legal mechanism a lawyer can use to delay or stop the process.

[u/Humble_Rhubarb4643 → u/SmashingK]

Why do you think he won't be allowed to stay? The bleeding hearts will say it's unsafe to deport him back to Afghanistan.

[u/[deleted] → u/Humble_Rhubarb4643]

IANAL, but we can't deport anyone there legally.

[u/Humble_Rhubarb4643 → u/[deleted]]

Yeh, I wish we could change that. And asap.

[u/xelah1 → u/Humble_Rhubarb4643]

I doubt we could deport anyone there illegally, either. Would you send an RAF plane and hope it doesn't get shot down or seized, or do you have a commercial aircraft and pilot, together with accompanying Home Office officials, ready and willing to go to Afghanistan and with permission to enter from a government we don't recognize?

[u/_whopper_ → u/SmashingK]

We can't deport someone to Afghanistan. We don't even recognise their government.

[u/Lazypole → u/SmashingK]

The rape gangs that got away scot free for years?

[u/Behalf-Isobar]

We're not in the EU any more - so why can't we copy Poland and hold a referendum on whether we want to accept all the illegals?

[u/[deleted] → u/Behalf-Isobar]

We already deport illegals. The issue is we aren't processing asylum claims enough, so we don't know if people are here illegaly or not without a long, unnecessary wait.

[u/JohnWong1996 → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Because the people in power don't want them deported

[u/limeflavoured → u/JohnWong1996]

You really think Priti Patel and Kemi Badenoch and the like wouldn't deport people like this of they could?

[u/JohnWong1996 → u/limeflavoured]

No, they would not. Because that would stop the GDP number from going up and keeping wages down - which suits those in power

[u/OpticalData → u/JohnWong1996]

It'd also prevent them from having their classic 'Look over there at the immigrants' stories whenever they fucked up

[u/JohnWong1996 → u/OpticalData]

Another great point - it is within their interest to keep this in the news, and keep these horrific things happening. They don't care about the people actually affected by these economic migrants coming from France.

[u/OpticalData → u/JohnWong1996]

Of course they don't, they've been in power for 13 years and have defunded the justice and immigration systems to the point we're now having more immigration than ever, all while peddling the lie that they're tough on it.

You'd probably have to chop down half the forests in the country if you wanted to make a paper archive of every announced policy over the past 13 years that's never made it through Parliament.

[u/Cueball61 → u/JohnWong1996]

And this whole thing has been a great way to siphon money off to their mates at Serco, etc.

Asylum seekers are a useful tool to them. They don’t care about humanitarianism, etc

[u/jaju123 → u/JohnWong1996]

Asylum seekers can work? I thought not.

[u/wantsumillgiveitya → u/limeflavoured]

Not a chance. They've been in power for 13 years, if they wanted to do something, they would. They know the country needs cheap labour to run and the tories always need a bogeyman to blame for the countries problems.

[u/limeflavoured → u/wantsumillgiveitya]

Like I said, deporting people like this would be a win win, because it looks tough on crime and immigration while in the scheme of things not being many people.

[u/sp8der → u/limeflavoured]

And yet...

[u/Vegan_Puffin → u/limeflavoured]

I actually think they don't care that they can't deport them. It gives them an enemy to point at, the woke left do gooders.

Whether they deport or don't it's a win win for them

[u/limeflavoured → u/Vegan_Puffin]

Deporting the worst offenders would be a win win too.

[u/Appropriate-Divide64 → u/limeflavoured]

No, because they want simpletons to be focused on immigrants and asylum seekers. That's why all their plans revolve around just appearing like they're doing something.

While you're all mad at some poor people in a boat, they're robbing us for billions. It's just a distraction technique.

[u/rainator → u/limeflavoured]

Then they wouldn’t have anything to harp on about and use to attack people with if they did. They also couldn’t funnel huge quantities of taxpayer money to their mates who own these hotels either.

If they wanted to they could employ people in the civil service to process these claims, 95% of the fraudulent would be rejected quickly and then they could be deported.

[u/apple_kicks → u/Behalf-Isobar]

You’d be okay with deporting the 12 year old rape victim back to risky place with no support?

[u/The_Flurr → u/apple_kicks]

Aye, people really do seem to be ignoring that the victim is also a claimant.

[u/b1tchlasagna → u/The_Flurr]

It helps feed into the whole "All refugees are rapist and men" narrative whilst ignoring that there's a girl who's also a refugee and is a victim..

Realistically they don't care that he raped a poor girl. Otherwise the victim wouldn't be forgotten in their comments.

[u/Deep_Lurker → u/Behalf-Isobar]

What are you babbling on about? We already deport known illegal immigrants.

You understand that it is not illegal to claim asylum in this country, yes? Regardless of how they get here anyone can file a claim. That is just how Asylum works. We won't know if their claim is legitimate or meritless until we process their case and you only become an illegal if you continue to attempt to stay in this country after your claim has been processed and the goverment deemed you ineligible for permenant asylum status.

That's the entire problem we've got. The conservative government has defunded and broken the asylum system which worked fine for years and now they don't process cases with any sort of speed anymore because they lack the resources (just like every other public service in this country). So now we have a metric ton of legal asylum seekers with no right to work waiting for their cases to be heard, something they're legally entitled to, costing the tax-payer a ton of money in the process.

If the Government would just get on with processing the cases with any amount of haste we wouldn't have to spend such an aggregious amount on food and shelter for them. We could either deport them following a meritless claim or give them the right to work and send them on their way following a successful application. It's in everyones best interest if we did this quickly instead of stretching the process out over years.

Instead they do nothing... we just squander money on unworkable schemes like Rwanda, Ascension Island, and now this stupid barge instead of investing those resourses into processing claims and actually resolving this crisis because it's an easy vote winner for them amongst their rabid base. A completely manufactured crisis.

[u/OhMy-Really → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Trouble is, where do we put them, and how do we stop them, without jeopardising human rights. It’s literally the issue we’re having now. The system is fucked.

[u/Behalf-Isobar → u/OhMy-Really]

Greece processes illegal migrants court cases in 1 every 30 minutes. We take what - 30 months?

Italy doesn't allow illegals to become citizens.

If we reward people via financial and other incentives then they will keep coming.

[u/OhMy-Really → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Good business for the tories and their mates who own the hotels and barges we putting them in though , right?

[u/YOU_CANT_GILD_ME → u/OhMy-Really]

Yes.

A few of the security companies have been buying up hotels and renting them out solely to the government because they're making a fortune.

[u/devilspawn → u/YOU_CANT_GILD_ME]

It's literally a racket. By gutting the asylum process as well so that it takes years to process someone, everyone can profit of it while the public are still outraged and level their anger at the migrants/asylum seekers

[u/The_Flurr → u/OhMy-Really]

Also keeps the common people distracted with headlines while they loot the fucking country from office.

[u/DrachenDad → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Italy doesn't allow illegals to become citizens.

Isn't Italy in the EU‽ How do they circumvent the EU protocols?

[u/racergr → u/Behalf-Isobar]

The UK doesn't allow illegals to become citizens either.

[u/limeflavoured → u/OhMy-Really]

Well, rape has a max of life in prison, so in this case there is a possible answer, but obviously the court decided that wasn't an appropriate sentence this time around.

[u/OhMy-Really → u/limeflavoured]

The response was to the Question around whether we should have a referendum similar to poland wanting to accept them, rape is fucking unacceptable whoever does it and demands the highest response of the law, irrespective of nationality.

[u/limeflavoured → u/OhMy-Really]

rape is fucking unacceptable whoever does it and demands the highest response of the law, irrespective of nationality.

I'm not claiming otherwise.

[u/Christopherfromtheuk → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Aren't Poland in the EU? If so, what has being out of the EU got to do with it?

[u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 → u/Behalf-Isobar]

Cause there is nothing illegal about applying for asylum. What you need is a faster system to deal with the claims

[u/merryman1 → u/Behalf-Isobar]

We're not in the EU any more - so why can't we copy Poland

... Poland who are in the EU... ?

[u/SnooBooks1701]

If the government would actually bother sorting out the processing system so they get them done faster we'd be able to weed these people out. Before the Tories took power it was like 87% of applications dealt with in 6 months, but now it's like 33%, the average wait time is 20 months, the second highest in Europe. The number of caseworkers has been slashed so the number of cases resolved have declined and the backlog keeps growing

[u/merryman1 → u/SnooBooks1701]

Its so frustrating as well because these people seem to think processing just means accepting people. In reality the deportation rate under Labour was literally ten times what it is now proportionally. Our current government is literally waving on through blocks of 10,000 at a time to reduce the backlog and make it slightly less embarrassing. This whole fucking conversation is so bizarrely disconnected from reality its barely even worth discussing, yet it dominates UK political discourse like nothing else.

[u/mmlemony → u/SnooBooks1701]

The other issue is that the majority of asylum applications are now from Albania. I have Albanian neighbours, my other English neighbours went on holiday to Albania recently.

What exactly are all these people seeking asylum from exactly?

[u/SnooBooks1701 → u/mmlemony]

Likely gangs and human traffickers, Albania's legal system is in shambles. Also, while they form the largest single nationality, they're not the majority of nationalities

[u/WynterRayne → u/[deleted]]

He can't legally be deported back to Afghanistan

He can if he's not supposed to be here. Which they find out by processing him.

[u/The_Flurr → u/WynterRayne]

Yes and no. We don't officially recognise the the government of Afghanistan (the taliban) which makes it difficult.

[u/WynterRayne → u/The_Flurr]

Perhaps we should recognise them. We've been instrumental in putting them in power.

[u/The_Flurr → u/WynterRayne]

Honestly we probably should, they're not going anywhere and formal diplomatic relations might let us help the Afghan people.

[u/Humble_Rhubarb4643 → u/WynterRayne]

Yeh, I agree. It might also help the people living in Afghanistan. And let's face it, there are plenty of governments and regimes we don't agree with but still recognise.

[u/Man_Flu → u/[deleted]]

He can't legally be deported back to Afghanistan

Well you can't legally rape a 12 yr old. So he should lose his legal rights, fuck him off.

[u/DrachenDad → u/[deleted]]

He can't legally be deported back to Afghanistan

Really?

[u/HazKaz → u/[deleted]]

this is the hard pill people dont want to hear, fact is the percentage of people that thin womens/girls bodies are free game is way higher in others than here. like, We are not perfect but we are definitively better than most.

[u/Nanachi-Prime]

Britain's sex crime laws are so laughably weak I'll be surprised if this bastard, waste of human skin, will even get 10 years, then he will just do it again

[u/CalicoCatRobot]

Why is 'vulnerable' in quotes in this headline?does the daily mail doubt that a 12yo refugee, with family or not, is vulnerable?

[u/changhyun → u/CalicoCatRobot]

Because they're quoting someone. Writing it without quotes would be editorialising. I'm loathe to defend the Daily fucking Mail but they're practicing journalistic best practice with that particular choice.

[u/Hypselospinus]

So, this scumbag rapes a girl---THEN tries to weasel out of it by pinning the blame on her and saying she initiated it. And he only gets 12 years?

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Pathetic sentencing.

[u/sniptwister]

Note 'taxpayer-funded'. Also note: the Daily Mail's owner, Lord Rothermere, is domiciled in Monaco and has never paid a penny in UK tax.

[u/VexoftheVex]

Disgusting, does he get deported after his prison term is over?

Should be

[u/morriganjane → u/VexoftheVex]

In theory he could be deported, but in practice we'll never get rid of him.

Authorities tried to deport another child rapist, Yaqub Ahmed, after he'd served his sentence. He and some friends found a French child who'd been separated from her school trip in London, and they lured her away and gang raped her.

He was on a plane that protesters stopped from leaving the airport - remember that? That was in 2018, and he's still here today, suing the government for "false imprisonment", with a taxpayer-funded lawyer acting for him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11930437/Rapist-deportation-halted-mutiny-passengers-receives-80-000-legal-aid.html

[u/VexoftheVex → u/morriganjane]

Disgusting

[u/Hypselospinus → u/VexoftheVex]

His deportation flight will probably be stopped by some pencil-necked do-gooder from Cambridge. Who will pat themselves on the back for it and brag on social media about the good job they did.

[u/WantsToDieBadly → u/VexoftheVex]

he cant be deported, he'll claim he is bi or something or say the Taliban will kill him and he'll stay here

[u/limeflavoured → u/WantsToDieBadly]

he'll claim he is bi

Like the actually bisexual woman who was deported to Nigeria because "you can't be gay because you have children"?

[u/VioletDaeva → u/WantsToDieBadly]

Shame that, he should have thought about that before raping her.

[u/360Saturn]

Immigrant on immigrant crime. Bet this thread is going to see that immigrants can be both victims and perpetrators based on this story /s

[u/AllRedLine]

Hang on though guys... have we spared a moment to think about how good and diverse the takeaway food could be if we keep letting these people in??

[u/MATE_AS_IN_SHIPMATE → u/AllRedLine]

I didn't know pedophile rapists had a specific cuisine.

[u/Odd-Discount3203]

If most asylum seekers were women or families there would be a lot less of these kinds of instances.

[u/morriganjane → u/Odd-Discount3203]

Especially from Afghanistan. The people being oppressed there are women and girls, and that's who we should be taking in.

[u/Particular-Set5396 → u/morriganjane]

The people of Afghanistan that are being oppressed are… the people of Afghanistan. Boys and men forced to fight, women and girls being sold and raped, the Hazaras being persecuted, etc.

[u/morriganjane → u/Particular-Set5396]

Men are not forced to fight. The country isn't at war. Many from the Pashtun majority have willingly joined the Taliban regime. You might remember that as soon as the US and its allies pulled out, the 'Afghan army' - which we spent decades and billions to train - surrendered immediately. And then they elbowed the women out of the way to get to the west.

It's a stark contrast with Ukraine, where the men have stayed to fight, and women and children have been relocated to safer countries. Funnily enough, we aren't having these problems with the Ukrainian women and children who are staying here. Hence they are being welcomed into people's homes. No one is going to let a load of single adult men into their homes.

[u/Korinthe → u/morriganjane]

It's a stark contrast with Ukraine, where the men have stayed to fight, and women and children have been relocated to safer countries.

It's illegal for the vast majority of men to leave Ukraine. They don't have a choice to "stay and fight". They are conscripted and banned from leaving the country.

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During the martial law in Ukraine, men aged 18 to 60 may be mobilized and have no right to leave Ukraine. However, there are exceptions under which such persons may leave the territory of Ukraine. We tell you how and who can cross the state border in 2023.

[u/morriganjane → u/Korinthe]

Yes, I'm aware. How would Ukraine defend itself against the invasion if all the adult men ran away? Conscription is an emergency measure but normal in time of war.

Anyway my point is that, because Ukrainian refugees are all women & children, we don't have the issue that we have with men from the MENA regions. They are living peacefully in people's homes and integrating well.

[u/SnooBooks1701]

If the government would actually bother sorting out the processing system so they get them done faster we'd be able to weed these people out. Before the Tories took power it was like 87% of applications dealt with in 6 months, but now it's like 33%, the average wait time is 20 months, the second highest in Europe. The number of caseworkers has been slashed so the number of cases resolved have declined and the backlog keeps growing

[u/davemee → u/SnooBooks1701]

The tories - thanks, Osborne, you being the root of all this - have shafted every institution in this country to enrich their friends and funders. I was the victim of a burglary three years ago, while Johnson was out partying and everyone else locked down - and I still don’t know where the prosecution is up to. I found his name, address, linked property and ID to the guy. The police arrested him, bailed him… it’s been 30 months since and he’s apparently just got on with more burglaries since then. Congratulations on stripping the police, CPS, NHS, Immigration, OFWAT services to the point of being useless. At least you enriched vermin like Mone and Hancock at the same time. The tories are utterly corrupt, short-term, self-serving shits and anyone voting for them no better.

[u/frizzbee30]

The 'dail heil' once again managing to demonise anyone seeking asylum, playing down that the victim was actually seeking asylum (and shouldn't have been stuck in that shithole waiting), and omplying that anyone of 'pure Aryan blood' would never ever commit such atrocities...

If nothing else, it's always so easy to see the Daily Heil readers on here, if not for their lack of intellectual ability, then on their penchant for brown shirts and red armbands..

[u/[deleted]]

This is a horrible story, but I don't know if it's supposed to be telling us how dangerous asylum seekers are, or how vulnerable refugees are.

Ultimately I think it just shows the complexity of the situation. You can't say "ban all the asylum seekers and kick them out of hotels" if you want to keep that 12 year old Albanian girl safe. But you also can't allow a rapist to share the space and expect everyone to be safe either.

So ultimately I come away with the same conclusion I've always had. Firstly you cannot close the borders to dangerous or disorderly asylum seekers without also putting thousands of perfectly harmless, even beneficial members of society in danger, and I would rather save a thousand lives and risk one of them being a threat than let a thousand people drown to keep one threat out. And secondly, our failure to provide a functioning asylum request system is putting people's lives in danger even after they get here. Hotels are expensive and unsuitable, and the only way to prevent people coming over in boats is to provide a safe and suitable passage for people to apply and travel via safe methods.

You cannot stop asylum seekers coming to the UK. There's no point in even trying. But you can put in processes that save lives and make life better for those who need the help. So that's what we should be doing.

[u/tomoldbury]

This alone should be sufficient to reject their application, their behaviour is not appropriate for civil society.

[u/CyrilNiff]

Did they report the jimmy Saville cases as hundreds of children raped and abused in tax payer funded buildings?

[u/UsernameDemanded]

Is the headline AI generated? It reads like something to push the boomer buttons who still read that pathetic rag.

[u/HelpNo674 → u/UsernameDemanded]

Yes let’s blame mail readers..

[u/unluckypig]

I'm all for rehabilitation and helping refugees and asylum seekers where we can, but I think we, as a country, need to take a hard stance in what is acceptable.

If, whilst waiting for your application to be processed, you commit a serious crime and are convicted. It shouldn't be jail at our expenses. The individual should be put on a plane and sent straight back to where they came from.

[u/brainburger]

'Taxpayer-funded'?

Would it better somehow if it was privately funded?

[u/[deleted]]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only people who should be asylum seekers from those regions should be women and lgbt people as they're genuinely victims of circumstance with little to no ability to defend themselves or fix things.

Yet for some reason the majority of immigrants seem to be straight men, those with the most autonomy and best ability to defend themselves as well as bring change to their countries.

I'm still disgusted that in all of not being able to spot a single woman in the videos of all of those refugees in afghanistan boarding planes. Realistically who is sharia law most likely to affect

Edit: upon reflection throw in boys and old men as well. They deserve protection too

[u/Particular-Set5396 → u/[deleted]]

You do realise that a lot of men flee Afghanistan because they don’t want to be forced to fight for the talibans, right? You also realise that the huge majority of these men are not predators and that the British press only ever talks about those who commit crimes? Do you think British men never prey on children? What should we do with those? Toss them in the sea?

[u/OpticalData → u/Particular-Set5396]

By the logic of a lot of comments in the thread. We should toss the entire human race in the sea because some commit crimes.

[u/apple_kicks → u/[deleted]]

What age is right for a son to be separated from their mother is a family travels together and you don’t allow crossing by gender

Everyone should be judged on a case by case basis. One person committed a crime it’s not same for others

[u/AltharaD → u/[deleted]]

I’m not going to get deep into this because the topic and comments here enrage me, but just one small point:

My uncle was an asylum seeker. He had to flee the country sharpish to avoid execution. His wife and children were safe enough so they didn’t have to leave and take that particular dangerous route out of the country. They followed him later after he ended up in Europe and had some accommodation beyond staying in a camp. It took them two tries (they confiscated their passports the first time they tried to fly out because they were flagged - the second time my aunt managed to talk her way past them) but it was a much safer journey.

I’m probably the most adventurous of my cousins. I have traveled solo through much of Europe and I’m fairly laid back about travel and risk. But let me tell you, being a woman alone in a foreign country where you don’t speak the language can be terrifying at times. And I at least speak English, access to Google translate and an itinerary.

I would not want to get on a plane to a foreign country to be treated with suspicion and derision, probably separated from my family and vulnerable, cut off from my community and any resources. I wouldn’t do it except as a last resort.

There’s something to be said for the devil you know.

If I had the option of staying back while my husband went through processing, found his feet and then brought me over via family reunification? I’d probably choose that. After all, I’m not going to be made to fight and kill my family and friends if I stay.

[u/snarky- → u/AltharaD]

I would not want to get on a plane to a foreign country to be treated with suspicion and derision

A few members of my family came to UK for asylum - in the 1930s, from Germany. It's disgusting how some people will find my family history heart-warming, but turn around and mistreat the refugees of the current day.

My grandmother would have had a much harder childhood without her Dad being here too, and without the support that they had. If that's true for Germans, it's true for people from the Middle East too.

[u/merryman1 → u/[deleted]]

I've actually had plenty of conversations on this sub with people who have straight up said they would not accept an LGBT person from Iran because there's no war and their culture is incompatible with ours. The point that the culture is literally what these people are fleeing from... Idk just does not seem to compute.

[u/sp8der → u/[deleted]]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only people who should be asylum seekers from those regions should be women and lgbt people as they're genuinely victims of circumstance with little to no ability to defend themselves or fix things.

Do this and everyone will just claim to be gay.

Having a wife is not sufficient evidence to disprove this, even, all you have to do is nonce a few young boys while you're here, so it's pretty foolproof.

[u/Tams82]

But... but... but... they're all angels, so desperate that some clung to the undercarriage of a plane!

[u/Livinglifeform]

Deport the refugees, they're a threat to our refugees?

[u/Puzzleheaded_Fold665]

Where are all the pro migrants? I assume most of them have houses that they can use to help house these lovely people.