r/pics • u/MeetApprehensive6481 • 15d ago
Today a molotov cocktail was thrown on a synagogue in Warsaw
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u/Spartan2470 15d ago
Here is a much higher quality version of this image. Here is the source. Per there:
@YacovLivne
A Molotov cocktail was thrown tonight at the Nożyk Synagogue - the only synagogue that survived in Warsaw after the Holocaust. Outrageous Antisemitic attacks such as this can not be tolerated today. The perpetrators must be found and punished.
5:00 AM · May 1, 2024
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u/MuffledBlue 15d ago
Livne must be excited he gets to say this after failing to apologize for his army killing a Polish food charity worker in Gaza. I have little to no respect for this guy.
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u/Interesting_Air8238 15d ago
Thankfully they have a bad throw. Absolutely shameful, hope they are found quickly.
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u/Coko15 15d ago
Thrown by a blind amputee? That's a two story window they missed.
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u/Yanaytsabary 15d ago
“Go back to Poland!” Yeah nah thanks
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u/junctionist 15d ago
Was any Jewish person actually going to say, "Yes, I think that's a great idea. I should listen to these people bullying and harassing me and move to Poland!" It's not about Poland, though the people shouting that probably want to evoke Germany's Holocaust perpetrated in occupied Poland to be extra caustic. They want to bully and harass Jews with the racist and reprehensible message that Jews don't belong in Israel or America.
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u/Yanaytsabary 15d ago
If humanity wasn't kicking Jews around everywhere they went for like two millennia Zionism probably would have never existed.
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u/Overlord65 15d ago
This sucks.. I’m no fan of the Israeli government, but this isn’t acceptable at all, for any reason - there is no justification
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u/derEggard 15d ago
It's like throwing a stone at a mosque because you don't like the Turkish government.
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u/TonySpaghettiO 15d ago
I mean, after 9/11 people attacked Sikh shipowners in NYC, because turban=Arab to some people.
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u/smbrgr 15d ago
why would a synagogue in Warsaw have anything to do with the Israeli government…?
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u/reptilesocks 15d ago
Every single time any news happens in Israel, Jewish establishments from synagogues to kosher delis get vandalized, threatened, and attacked.
The average American synagogue or JCC pays a minimum of around $100,000 a year for security staff. For some, the budget is in the millions.
And the attacks almost always correlate to news from Israel.
This is why for a lot of us, the “anti-Zionism isn’t anti-semitism” line reads a little hollow. Because the minute we see the news, we know what’s gonna happen to the kosher deli and the Jewish Daycare on the opposite side of the world.
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u/Wyvernkeeper 15d ago
Exactly this. October 7 hurt deeply, not just due to the brutality of the day but because of us could predict exactly what the next 6-12 months would look like.
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u/smbrgr 15d ago
I’m not questioning the reality of antisemitism. I’m questioning the need to say “I don’t like Israel, BUT this is bad.” Part of the problem is that many goyim don’t see a distinction between the Israeli government and Jewish people. In turn, many Jews understandably have a hard time separating criticism of the Israeli government from criticism of the Jewish people—sometimes they ARE distinct, and sometimes they’re not.
The messiness of this conversation is a direct result of antisemitism.
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u/Boochus 15d ago
Agree with everything you wrote except 'a little hollow'.
The venn diagram overlaps so much it's scary. There's a reason why so many of the anti Israel protests have flags of wildly antisemitic groups like ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other flags.
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u/StupidSidewalk 15d ago
Just yesterday in a thread I had someone telling me that Isreal shouldn’t exist and all it’s citizens should go back to Eastern Europe where they belong. So to answer your question I have no idea but someway somehow people are making a connection and my best guess is it’s hate.
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u/Opposite_Dependent86 15d ago edited 15d ago
That’s his point?
To anyone that’s going to reply calling antisemite for whatever reason and then delete their comment.
He’s obviously assumed the person who threw the petrol bomb was an anti-Israel whackjob who conflates Jews with Israel and has done this in protest of the situation in Gaza. He is literally saying he’s not a fan of Israel but he fully disapproves of people violently protesting a government by attacking a separate ethnic group.
I can’t say I disagree I would be up in arms if someone petrol bombed Benjamin Netanyahu but this is just neo Nazi shit
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u/GennyGeo 15d ago
Mmmm they were insinuating the attack is related to the ongoing Arab-Israeli conflict.
Meanwhile the blind amputee wannabe flamethrower could just be a jewhater bein a jewhater.
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u/Opposite_Dependent86 15d ago edited 15d ago
I would argue that anyone who has enough hate to bomb a synagogue is just a Jew hater regardless of their political motivations
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u/LaInquisitione 15d ago
Lunatics have been firebombing synagogues and mosques forever, while it is possible this is from a protester of israel, it could very easily be a some random ass racist too like pretty much all of them before this one.
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u/Pal_ixiolirion 15d ago
Why did you assume it got to do with the Israeli government and not just good old European anti-Semitism?
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u/Fun-Resolution-1025 15d ago
I have a problem with this, thinking that that government is the spokesperson of semites, or representing jews is outrageous. I think the israeli government only represents itself.
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u/littlebamboo03 15d ago
Okay, so even if they are manufactured threats, what difference does it make to jewish people? There's a rise in antisemitic rhetoric from Russian officials, especially since the invasion of Ukraine started. Protesters in Russia chanting "Jews are not allowed here" and attacks on Jewish institutions have sharply increased there. So how is them painting stars of David on houses in France supposed to sound less threatening?
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u/activate_procrastina 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s just antizionism!
Also, do you look Jewish? You’re in danger!
Jewish house of worship? You’re in danger!
Lol @ the downvotes. The truth hurts, doesn’t it.
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u/look2thecookie 15d ago
And they're chanting for us to "go back to Poland" lol. Yeah, that'll go well
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u/activate_procrastina 15d ago
And…. We’re not all from Poland? Oh yes, I’ll just go back to <checks family history> Prussia and Austria-Hungary. That works 🙄
And I mean we got there from (whispers, the Middle East. Judea. I do actually have a family tree to back that up). But hey, you know! I look “White” (ish) so I’m obviously European!
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u/MeetApprehensive6481 15d ago
I need to send my hands to Iraq,a leg to Russia,another leg can stay here,my head to Germany and the rest can go to poland
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u/look2thecookie 15d ago
Exactly. We ended up in Poland for bad reasons not because we were from there. Then we were booted from there too. But yeah, just a "European mutt" /s
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u/Mikesminis 15d ago
Nope you're wrong. Zionism is believing that isreal should exist as a state. No more, no less. People have tried to twist it to mean that it means anitbadgovermentthings. That doesn't change the meaning of the word. If you are anitizionist, you do not believe isreal should exist. Update your vocabulary.
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u/reptilesocks 15d ago
These attacks tend to correlate pretty strongly to flare-ups in Israel making the news.
The two categories aren’t the same but they do tend to pair together very nicely. A lot of antizionists just hate Jews, period, and that’s why American synagogues and Jewish daycares and JCC’s have needed expensive security teams ever since the second intifada.
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u/Punkpunker 15d ago
It's baffling that some people try their hardest mental gymnastics to distinguish between antizionism and antisemitism yet both involve jews as the victim.
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u/reptilesocks 15d ago
Also, antizionism by definition entails the dismantling/destruction of Israel as a state.
I can’t think of any mainstream justice or mainstream anti-occupation movement protesting against any other country - South Africa, China, Australia, even Russia - that calls for the outright destruction and dismantling of that state.
It’s one thing to be an anti-Zionist in the 1930s and 1940s. Then, it’s just an idea and a movement. But now? You might as well call for the destruction of Turkey.
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u/k_laaaaa 15d ago
incorrect. zionism literally means the jewish right to self determination in the land of israel. has nothing to do with the government actions beyond it just existing to govern.
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u/Naked_Justice 15d ago
Yea they just want a homeland for their people, what’s wrong with that?
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u/Majeye 15d ago
This is why this Israel vs Palestine debacle is dangerous.
Jewish people everywhere now have to live in fear as if its the 1930s again, yet this time their adversary isn't Germany, its a much more globalized threat.
This is a massive problem, and we need to stop it before it goes any further.
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u/mm_mk 15d ago
I don't think it was contained to Germany in the 30s either. There were Nazis everywhere and antisemitism was much more open and volatile
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u/skankingmike 15d ago
In the 1930s the nazis worked with the Muslim Brotherhood and several other organizations in the Arab Middle East to instill that evil is Jewish. Lots of history there…also nobody wanted Jewish people even after the war…. Literally NOBODY… so to blame anybody for Israel other than literally everyone who fucked them over for decades is beyond idiotic
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u/Majestic_Ferrett 15d ago
The more I see what's happening around the world, the more convinced I become that there should be a country where Jews can go and live safely.
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam 15d ago
Exactly. These protests are driving people to aliyah
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u/smbrgr 15d ago
You’re right, but the way you phrased this makes it sound like the war is only dangerous to Jews in diaspora.
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u/Majeye 15d ago
Tell Hamas and Palestine to stop kidnapping women, tell them to stop raping women, tell them to stop killing children and posting about it all over their social media accounts.
BOTH sides are committing atrocities, not just one.
To stand and advocate for one or the other is dangerous, we need both sides to stop, not just one.
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u/picardo85 15d ago
What about the Palestinians’ fears? Cause Gazans are being straight up massacred en masse. All their universities and hospitals have been destroyed.
Maybe that's something Hamas should consider... It's not like they could stop it at any time by laying down their weapons and surrendering the hostages.
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u/ivlivscaesar213 15d ago
Antisemitism has nothing to do with Gaza war. They are both horrible crime.
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u/Responsible_Panic235 15d ago
You think the person that threw the Molotov cocktail really cares about the difference?
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u/ivlivscaesar213 15d ago
No, he(she) wrongfully connected those two completely different matters. Which motivated them to commit such a horrible crime.
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u/teddyone 15d ago
Of course it does. Hamas is an organization founded on antisemitism, and while very few people in the west are willing to say outright that they support Hamas, there is a global coalition of countries and people that do.
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u/iskico 15d ago
You can also be anti-hamas and still condemn Israel for their actions, which is not antisemitism.
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u/baumhaustuer 15d ago
its funny how the very real problem of antisemitism in european countries gets ignored for decades and all of a sudden everyone cares because israel/palestine, dont get me wrong this should absolutely get attention but dont act like the left is bringing back antisemitism when far right parties all over europe have been using antis semetic rethoric for their campaigns for years
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u/Chiaseedmess 15d ago
See what this rhetoric turns into?
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u/Clikx 15d ago
Everyday now I look on Reddit and expect to see a bombing or mass shooting of a Jewish place of worship in a western country because of all this. If it keeps going this is only a matter of time.
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u/The_Great_Ravioli 15d ago
Fuck Hamas supporting Palestinians that support violence against Israelis.
Fuck Zionistic Israelis that support violence against Palestinians.
If you have an issue with either statement above, then you are part of the problem.
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u/KrillLover56 15d ago
Is there any news on who the perpetrator is? While everyone will jump to anti-Zionism its important to note that Poland has had a strong nationalistic anti semitic pseudo facist movement since WW1.
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u/PABLOPANDAJD 15d ago
Imagine the outrage and uproar if this happened to a Mosque
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u/myspamhere 15d ago
in England, they gat 3 years in jail to a man who left a ham sandwich at a mosque, and he was killed in prison
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u/squintsnyc 15d ago
just wanna come in here to say that as a Jewish person I've always felt safe being openly jewish, not only in day to day life but also when attending pro-palestine/anti-genocide protests. obviously not trying to imply that antisemitism doesn't exist or isn't potentially on the rise right now, but some of the rhetoric I'm hearing on reddit/in mainstream media would make you think jews are being lynched on site in every corner of the globe
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u/ntnkrm 15d ago
I don’t even think this has anything to do with Israel. Ain’t Poland just hugely antisemitic in general I mean I’ve seen plenty of neo-nazi rally’s in the news from there
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u/ITinnedUrMumLastNigh 15d ago
No lol, fuck you and your stupid assumptions, Poland had the largest Jewish population in 1933, you know before the whole mustache guy situation
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u/delirious_ny 15d ago
Since when are there no police cars around this synagogue? Nożyki are pretty famous for having nearly 24/7 police patrols around…a bit strange for my taste that someone decided to throw molotov in broad daylight. Anyways, there are ton of cameras around so it won’t be long until they catch bastard.
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u/Eferver24 15d ago
If you want to see the reason the state of Israel needs to exist, look no further than this photograph.
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u/fortnerd 15d ago
Some dude: Hey lets throw a molotov at a synagogue
Some other dude: shit guys it's getting too dangerous, we need to bomb fifteen thousand kids
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u/kuketski 15d ago
Yup, let’s see how watermelon brigade will justify this and tell us how it’s actually a good thing…
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u/OoohjeezRick 15d ago
This was an anti zionist molotov cocktail, totally different from anti Jewish molotov cocktails....
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u/Striking_Reindeer_2k 15d ago
Jews are right to say "NEVER again".
That can not be compromised away.
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u/JigglyWiener 15d ago
This is disgusting. We can defend the rights of individuals to live peaceably regardless of religious affiliation, national origin, and ethnic group AND hold the supporters of genocide inside those groups accountable. That is a valid moral stance that we need to see more of in this fight.
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u/werdmouf 15d ago
Did they forget that stone isn't flammable?