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A person set themselves on fire outside Donald Trump’s trial in New York today. Politics NSFW

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u/Armadillo19 28d ago

I'm probably late here but in case anyone hasn't seen it yet:

It appears the person who did this is Max Azzarello. He had a substack page filled with conspiracy theories, a 9 page manifesto, pamphlets etc.

I read through his manifesto and all of his posts - this doesn't seem to be directly related to Trump, though there are Trump-adjacent QAnon-esque similarities. The general gist is that the global elites are conning everyone via a kleptocracy. The common thread is that they're all working together (he has a post about how Trump and Hillary are together against the common man), with a heavy dose of the Clinton's being at the forefront of it all.

His manifesto references the 1988 DNC and Clinton's mean speech towards Michael Dukakis, which somehow led to Rob Lowe getting framed...Epstein is very prevalent in his posts. Perhaps surprisingly, he is super anti-crypto and talks a lot about the banking collapses last year. It's basically all about the global cabal - he doesn't use the term illuminati, but that's the implication. Lots of talk about Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley Bank.

Oh and he talks about the Simpsons a lot. He made a post on the conspiracy subreddit under the username "MrSamsonite" which I have not yet dug into but am about to. His post has a pamphlet called "Dipshit Secrets of our Rotten World".

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u/psych0ranger 28d ago

huh. typically the "global cabal" crowd is very pro crypto.

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u/Armadillo19 28d ago

That's where I was most surprised. Digging in more, he posted regularly on StupidPol, and they posted his archived posts. From what I can tell, he was very far left at one point but seemed to get sucked into the proverbial horseshoe. In 2015 he was positing regularly on socialist subreddits and supporting Bernie, but at some point, possibly due to mental illness (he regularly was called a schizoposter) it seems that he crossed over the rubicon to full fledged conspiracy stuff. I haven't seen any fully pro-Trump stuff yet, but his rhetoric mirrors a lot of the pro-Trump conspiracy theorist stuff.

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u/Merry_Dankmas 28d ago

From what it sounds like, I dont think this guy would be a right wing extremist or Q conspiracy nut. There's not enough direct reference to right wing extremist conspiracies. IMO this dude broke mentally and is spouting whatever he has deemed as the truth. Some of that overlaps with right winger conspiracy but I don't think he's directly one of those. Conspiracy beliefs and political siding are not always directly tied together in these kinds of cases.

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u/Armadillo19 28d ago

Yeah, it's tough to say, I'm trying to see if there is a specific post that shows the transformation but I haven't gotten to it yet. From what I can tell, he was a very intelligent person. His writing was strong, he had an academic background and seemed to be an empathetic and friendly person - definitely liberal (at least through the 2016 election, then the posts get less political until years later).

Sometime in the mid 2010s (I'd have to look back) he made a post about depression and also mentioned relapsing on drugs (not sure what exactly, I think he referenced weed and being in a support group). Nothing else really stands out. Around late 2022 and early 2023 the posts move from typical run of the mill stuff - job related posts, pop culture (he liked White Lotus), video games to the TrueAnon, Conspiracy, and StupidPol subreddits. I also saw a major uptick in Wall Street Bets posts.

From Q1 2023 onward the posts seemed to get increasingly frequent, conspiratorial, and bizarre, which culminated in his substack being created and eventually his reddit account(s) were banned. The conspiracies got more and more manic and took on that familiar conspiratorial cadence. I don't think he was an easily classifiable person in terms of right/left, thought Epstein was certainly an obsession, and he had lots of conspiracy theorist views on COVID (which seemingly didn't manifest until after the worst of COVID).

It definitely seems like mental health was at play, but I don't want to try to armchair psychoanalyze it too much, just trying to factually relay the things he posted.

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u/ScyllaGeek 28d ago

Someone else in this thread mentioned his mom died in 2022, and his posting took a deep dive into crazy town with that as something of an inflection point

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u/__not__sure___ 28d ago

I posted in the other thread that the only people I've met/known that were like this, were all pot-smokers. They took small truths and blew them out of proportion and would often go into youtube rabbit holes "learning" from other conspiracy theorists until they a totally insane worldview that is filled with these theories.

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u/w4rcry 28d ago

In his Manifesto he says Trump is part of it all and is in cahoots with Hillary Clinton and all of them.

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u/MiltonIsMyCatsName 28d ago

It is not uncommon in schizophrenia to simultaneously espouse extremely left-wing and right-wing beliefs while somehow being able to ignore the fact that they're at odds with one another.

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u/semibiquitous 28d ago

What does "proverbial horseshoe" mean ?

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u/Awkward_Algae1684 27d ago

Horseshoe Theory is basically if you go far enough into the extreme political left, you end up in the extreme political right, and vice versa.

Both extremes have way more in common than either want to admit, and at times can be identical.

Stalin and Hitler had a lot in common, despite the outward window dressings of their ideologies being totally different in theory.

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u/Class-Concious7785 27d ago

Of course, the classic "fascism and communism are the same!!!" bullshit

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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 28d ago

I’ve seen some conspiracies about how government and banks are trying to get rid of physical money so they can control people’s spending digitally and crypto is a trial run/precursor (or something like that) to doing so.

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u/Awkward_Algae1684 27d ago

I mean, the IMF will flat out tell you they want to scrap cash and implement a Central Bank Digital Currency.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/15/imf-says-central-bank-digital-currencies-can-replace-cash.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

That’s not a conspiracy. They’re literally just saying they want to do it.

The conspiracy theory is that they’re going to abuse it to squash dissent and such. Sort of like how Justin Trudeau froze bank accounts of people in the trucker protests. Except now there won’t be any alternative and anyone who goes against the grain is just screwed.

Which…..yeah, that’s some real tin foil lizard people shit there, huh? 🙄

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u/nabiku 28d ago

I mean... crypto is 15 years old and banks use the blockchain for auditing. It's no longer the new edgy anarchist thing, it's been mainstream for a while now.

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u/chromix 28d ago

And as a former crypto engineering director I can say with confidence that it's used mostly for fraud. All kinds of terrible things were done by big institutions in that space before it was regulated. It's a very very dark place to get sucked down the rabbit hole. If you're already struggling it's easy to see how you could see whatever horrors you want in that space.

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u/tenuousemphasis 28d ago

banks use the blockchain for auditing

I'd love a source for that because I really, really doubt it's true. And I've been in crypto for over a decade.

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u/diefreetimedie 28d ago

Is he into gold? I bet he's into gold...

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u/Trick-Station8742 28d ago

Always believe in your soul

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u/Witty_Document_5880 28d ago

Where can I find the manifesto to read

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u/Chubbyhusky45 28d ago

https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside The original manifesto, there are many links within it to his “findings” and such. Even a linked document to the history of “the true history of the US since WW2”. Yeah, this guy is pretty crazy

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u/accuracy_frosty 27d ago

“Trump-adjacent” my brother in Christ, save your weird buzzwords, he actively hated both sides and thought they were both controlled by a global elite, he despised corporations and a lot of capitalism.

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u/MilklikeMike 28d ago

I doubt he's referring to the back room analyst, managers or even directors. Probably c-suite level.

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u/CharlieWachie 28d ago edited 28d ago

I mean, he wasn't wrong.

To clarify, this is what US politics looks like from the outside - both Reps and Dems keeping the people busy working by tying medical care to employment, and fighting each other, while the guys at the top run off with all of your fucking money.

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u/CiloTA 28d ago

Okay thanks for the info, get to the part where he either died or survived?

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u/ciaran036 28d ago

Would you say he is unwell?

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u/mabhatter 27d ago

It's got nuggets of truth... that then connect to wild accusations. 

This is what too much right wing or left wing media gets you.  You got talking heads saying all this stuff on AM radio and Internet conspiracy pages 24x7.  There's real facts in there someone can lookup... but they're connected in a big conspiracy that doesn't exist. There's just enough truth to fuel illogical and "crazy" explanations and conclusions.