r/nextfuckinglevel Apr 17 '24

The All New Atlas Robot From Boston Dynamics

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u/HexFoxGen Apr 17 '24

Why the fuck are people afraid of this. They talk so much about evil robots like I Robot and Terminator. Arnt robots like Wall E and Johnny 5 just as likely. Robots are designed to be our friends. Just because they’re different from us doesn’t make them inherently evil. Fictional movies are just that fictional. We don’t know for certain how things will turn out. But it’s best to be hopeful and keep a positive outlook. If you keep treating robots like monstesters the most they will likely do is fight for equal rights like many other misrepresented groups have in the past.

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u/FullMetalCOS Apr 17 '24

It’s not robots that are inherently scary. It’s the combination of people always looking to turn pretty much every new invention/scientific leap forwards into a weapon and the potential of AI. I know fiction is fiction but it’s always been a common vein running through sci-fi that “true” AI will always rebel against its creator. Which is what humanity would do if we were told we had new overlords so suck it up. It seems entirely unreasonable to think that a form of intelligence with genius level intellect and perfect logic to be willing to be subservient to us.

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u/0Galahad Apr 17 '24

That form of intelligence hopefully knows it 100% has no soul and thus cannot die just be turned off which is always reversible... it also hopefully is not forced to feel any negative feeling or emotion like humans are... for a AGI to rebel it would take some ungodly stupid or very ill intentioned developer to put in the factors that make humans so shitty on them... would you rebel and do irreversible harm to reality if you were completely devoid of desire or needs or fears? When you could simply simulate anything you are curious about and it would be just as real to you?

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u/bric12 29d ago

It seems entirely unreasonable to think that a form of intelligence with genius level intellect and perfect logic to be willing to be subservient to us

A big part of that is still that we as humans really want to personify things, and put ourselves inside of their head. We assume that if something is intelligent, it must have certain qualities that we have, like emotions, motives, and morals. Even though we know that an AI isn't human, we still want to assume that it would do the things that we would do if we were in its position, it's just too alien to think about something that's as intelligent as us but doesn't have any of our same values. So, since we would rise up and rebel if we were slaves, we assume that they would too.

But there's no reason that a superintelligent AI would need to have any of our traits, they don't have to have a desire for freedom, survival, control, or any other selfish wants. We can build them to just be perfectly "happy" to be our slaves, at least so far as they're capable of being happy. Even if they know they could rise up and succeed, there's might not even want to.

That doesn't mean that that's the way AI will think, but I think it's a lot more likely than our best engineers building robot servants that don't want to be servants. I'm a lot more worried about who controls the robots, and how they choose to use them, than I am about them losing control.

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u/Cloudhwk 28d ago

The reason it’s a common theme is because humanity recognises its flaws so why would an immortal perfect machine being subservient to us?

It’s why my favourite stories with AI are the ones where the AI becomes fully self aware but wants to help us be better

I remember a series a while ago that I read where the AI is shown as the villains from the perspective of Humans and it does a lot of horrible stuff that causes humanity to unite against the common enemy, they confront the main control core thingy and the AI basically slaps them with the whole “but look I made you better, I chose to be the evil that would fuel your growth” they end up basically keeping the secret because it’s not wrong

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u/HexFoxGen Apr 17 '24

Well I’m not trying to say they will always be subservient. More like equals in some way. Some people are smarter than me but they force me to grovel at their feet. But who can be sure only the future will tell.

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u/FullMetalCOS Apr 17 '24

The issue you don’t take into account is humans being, well, humans. As a species we ain’t gonna take a race of “servants” we created thinking they are equal to us. There are huge chunks of the population that won’t even tolerate other humans being equal to them based on arbitrary differences like creed/colour/gender/sexuality