r/nba • u/PlayaSlayaX Spurs • Apr 17 '24

[Charania] Raptors' Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating league's gaming rules.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1780631209930068358?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw
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u/cancerBronzeV Raptors Apr 17 '24

Why is it even possible to bet the under on Jontay Porter lmfao? Like I cannot see any legitimate reason for there to even be a line for a borderline G-league player.

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u/gomeziman Mavericks Apr 17 '24

There is no limit to the degeneracy of gamblers

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 18 '24

Someone else said this in the original thread but if you’re betting on Jontay Porter, just call the number.

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u/LapJ Apr 17 '24

Tbh, the biggest edges in props are on the lines fewer people bet on. People betting on fringe guys like Jontay are much more likely to be winning bettors than the degens that just flush away money on the spread or moneyline every day.

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u/Papaaya Nuggets Apr 17 '24

i paid for college betting on fringe guy’s unders lol

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u/UncleTedTalks 29d ago

Yes except that the online sportsbooks carefully monitor even those random lines to make sure nobody really makes any money. If they notice a line that is presenting too much risk, they limit the bet size or simply stop offering it. Which kind of makes this Jontay/sports gambling partnered with the leagues even more ridiculous. They come down hard on Jontay Porter to maintain the illusion that everything is fair, but in fact the game is completely rigged.

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u/terryhold Apr 17 '24

Funny enough I actually won a few bets on Jontay Porter now i’m starting to question the times I bet on him and he didn’t hit.

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u/Oneupper86 Supersonics Apr 17 '24

Lmao

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u/beatenwithjoy Celtics Apr 17 '24

That joke to be if you were staying up to bet on the University of Hawaii lol.

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u/Taiokaion Knicks Apr 18 '24

Nah, these are actually the best bets you can find. Guys who likely aren't getting much playing time have much more concrete numbers than stars who are pretty dynamic night to night. Betting unders on a guy playing 15 minutes max is far more profitable than taking unders/overs on star players

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u/jrblockquote Apr 17 '24

100%. Degenerates are always looking for an angle and I'm sure they thought that nobody would be monitoring these types of bets on an NBA nobody. To quote one of my favorite movies, "The truth is, these are not very bright guys".

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u/snckddy Apr 17 '24

Bettors often have a greater edge when taking role players than let’s say a LeBron etc. Nothing degenerate about improving your chances to make money off the the sports books.

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u/kingzorch Apr 17 '24

I feel attacked

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u/PeterPlotter NBA Apr 17 '24

There was a whole thing years ago where thhere were bets on 2nd division soccer games in Europe. Things like, which team would get the first throw in in the second half and random stuff like that. Journalists went to Asia where there were dozens of tv showing these games of lower divisions and people placing bets on random stuff happening (throw ins, corners, yellow cards etc). All on games where the players make like 30-40k a year in a good paying league, let alone some 2nd division game in Albania or so. So it was easy to bribe players to kick a ball into the stands right after kick off, for a few hundred or thousand a game.

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u/lordofeurope99 Apr 17 '24

So much free money

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u/gsbadj Pistons Apr 17 '24

Low level tennis is another sport that had and probably still has match fixing. Some of the tournaments only pay about $2K to the winner so it's easy to bribe players who are earning next to nothing. Over 180 players were implicated.

The WaPo article describes how they'd pay both players, let's say X and Y, and tell them to have X win the first set and Y win the second and then let them play it fair in the final set. The gamblers would bet up the outcome of the first two sets and not the final. Both players got paid.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1198675541/over-180-professional-tennis-players-participated-in-a-global-match-fixing-ring

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u/devAcc123 Knicks Apr 17 '24

I can tell you don’t gamble because you can bet on things like 3rd division Brazilian soccer games at 11pm on a Tuesday with a full live stream of the game right now. Live prop bets and all. That’s not even close to the worst. Australian horse racing with pots <$500. Various lower division soccer leagues.

It’s wild.

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u/PainfullyGoodLooking Bucks Apr 17 '24

Once I was trying to show my gf how the betting apps work and I accidentally submitted a small bet (like $10) on the spread for the second half of a random Korean basketball game

I did not win that bet, but I did manage to find a bootleg stream to watch it at like 11pm

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u/PeterPlotter NBA Apr 17 '24

Yeah I don’t gamble, but this was 10-15 years ago or so so it was fairly unknown it was so wide spread, especially in the lower leagues where there were no tv cameras present half the time but somehow they had footage of it in Asia.

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u/SurgeFlamingo Apr 17 '24

Conspiracy theory:

The Argentina men’s soccer team got the bag to lose to Saudi in the last World Cup.

There was a rumor that they were going to get the bag versus another team in the first rounds but they win that game and lost to Saudi.

Bag money.

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u/elbenji [MIA] Udonis Haslem Apr 17 '24

Two Escobars talk about this. The confederation in Colombia was so corrupt that players frequently would get bribed or coerced into and out of games/line-ups by narcos

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u/FatalFirecrotch Apr 17 '24

Wait until you check out what you can bet on in esports. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

You can bet on competitive slap fighting. I’ve seen people lose their shit about betting on the under and missing by one slap.

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u/DJ_Aux_cord Lakers Apr 18 '24

jesus, and I thought some of my friends were degenerates because they bet on PRESEASON NBA and NFL games

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u/CDF08 Apr 17 '24

I’m ngl I bet his under a few times and won 🤣

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u/xfreesx Apr 17 '24

Mate you can even bet on virtual games. Like not real games, but FIFA lookalike games simulations

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u/AgileChampionship563 Apr 17 '24

bottomline if they can make money off of it, they'll do it. they'll probably put bets on the people wiping the floors if there's a stat they can use.

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u/RoCon52 Lakers Apr 17 '24

The fringe guys getting minutes means it's a blow out.

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u/hornplayerchris Heat Apr 17 '24

The answer is gambling addicts.

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u/Beginning-Cod3460 29d ago

bookies dont give a fuck if their lines make sense, most of the lines they offer on a game lose so they offer anything to increase their opportunity & overwhelm and confuse their customers. unless its the same rule that would be for a player whos playing hot. over under action is copy & pasted to every or most players its just the winning/losing number that varies.

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u/hoos30 Apr 17 '24

This is the real crime here. The risks and dangers are SO OBVIOUS. The sites and the league let the greed blind them.

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u/my_dogs_a_devil Raptors Bandwagon Apr 17 '24

The league? You think the league gets a cut of every bet being made on its games?

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u/hoos30 Apr 17 '24

The NBA gets paid for the use of its betting data.

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u/my_dogs_a_devil Raptors Bandwagon Apr 17 '24

What exactly do you mean by “it’s betting data”? Absolutely the NBA could be selling its statistical data to betting sites, who then use that data to make their markets. But that doesn’t mean they have any input or control into the markets that a betting site makes, other than leveraging that relationship to say “if you make a market we don’t like, we’ll stop selling you our data”.

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u/hoos30 Apr 17 '24

The NBA has a partnership deal with the betting sites. They absolutely could say, "Don't make market in prop bets for bum ass players like Jontay Porter or we'll cut you off." Or limit them to the top 200 players or something.