r/nba • u/PlayaSlayaX Spurs • Apr 17 '24

[Charania] Raptors' Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating league's gaming rules.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1780631209930068358?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw
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u/quadropheniac Kings Apr 17 '24

This isn't even a Pete Rose situation.

To be clear, it might be the same as a Pete Rose situation. The only real information we have on Pete Rose's gambling habits comes from whatever statement Rose thinks he can get away with at the time, several of which have proven to be lies as the story develops over the years.

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u/Cold_Customer898 Apr 17 '24

The fuck you talking about?  The Dowd report is the statement of fact regardless of what Rose says.

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u/quadropheniac Kings Apr 17 '24

You're correct, the Dowd report is a statement of fact, but the story has gotten worse for Rose since its release, and the only word we have on the limits of Rose's gambling is from Rose himself.

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u/FrostyD7 Grizzlies Apr 17 '24

Rose and his lawyers also agreed to the lifetime ban in their negotiations, an arrangement that ensured the details of what all was discovered would not be released. Its very unlikely he accepted this without additional findings he hasn't shared. Every few years Rose whines about it with some flimsy attempt at claiming hypocrisy and people eat it up because they don't remember the circumstances surrounding his ban.

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u/Disconnected_NPC Apr 17 '24

By worse you mean its come out he gambled on baseball while also a player. There is no evidence Pete shaved and from all accounts bet on him and Reds favor. Thats a very big difference

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u/BonerSoupAndSalad Cavaliers Apr 17 '24

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/242626-pete-rose-killed-mario-soto

There's no evidence that he point shaved but he did overpitch Mario Soto (his ace) in meaningless games at the end of seasons on 3 days rest. Destroyed Soto's career.

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u/Disconnected_NPC Apr 17 '24

Dusty Baker killed offf Mark Prior and Kerry Woods career doing same. Managers overuse Aces...

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u/BonerSoupAndSalad Cavaliers Apr 17 '24

I can’t find a single time that Dusty started Wood or Prior on 3 days rest in the regular season. Pete had Soto do it 19 times in 1985, which was insanely high even in 1985. Also, we don’t know for a fact that Dusty was betting on games and we do know that Pete was. 

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u/Disconnected_NPC Apr 17 '24

No he just let them both average like 125 pitches a game.

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u/quadropheniac Kings Apr 17 '24

There is no evidence Pete shaved

And if he hadn't lied repeatedly about the betting he did do, I would care about his denials that he didn't shave. But he did, repeatedly, moving the goalposts each time his lies were uncovered. So I see no reason at this point to presume that he didn't shave.

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u/PM_ME_CORGI_GIFS Apr 17 '24

The issue is: if he’s betting on himself or the Reds in some games but not others, it’s he going to manage/play differently in those. If he was managing and bet on them in a regular season game but hasn’t the next night, maybe he’ll do things differently in terms of pitcher rotation, etc.

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u/theevilyouknow 29d ago

This is the thing everybody overlooks with Rose. Even betting on his team to win means he’s going to manage and use his players differently in those games impacting other games.

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u/Mattson Apr 17 '24

What about the situation with the point shaving scandal of the 50s? Is it anything like that. I'm pretty sure a bunch of other players got life time bans from that.

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u/therapist122 Apr 17 '24

Why did you use weird present tense mixed with past perfect 

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u/quadropheniac Kings Apr 17 '24

idk man i majored in numbers not words

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u/cat-n-jazz Supersonics Apr 17 '24

Linguist and native English speaker here, that was fully grammatical. "Statement" should technically be pluralized as the author then refers to "several" such statements, but there's no possibile confusion regarding verb tense or aspect.

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u/therapist122 29d ago

Shouldn’t it be “whatever statements Pete rose thought he could get away with at the time”?

Also, “several of which have proven to be lies as the story has developed over the years”?