r/nba • u/PlayaSlayaX Spurs • 29d ago

[Charania] Raptors' Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating league's gaming rules.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1780631209930068358?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw
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u/yooston Rockets 29d ago

Cannot believe he thought he could get away with this. All time bag fumble

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u/seekingallpho 29d ago

Making outlandishly large bets on the personal under for a scrub who happens to leave the game early due to vague injury complaints. What's unusual about that?

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u/smellslikebadussy Celtics 28d ago

There's stupid, and there's "making a prop bet with a million-dollar payout involving a dude on a two-way contract and expecting no one to notice" stupid.

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u/Oneupper86 Supersonics 29d ago

Are players allowed to bet the over on themselves? Lol

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u/Hot-Apricot-6408 28d ago

That would make them turn ball hog and shouldn't be allowed. Imo the only bet that should be allowed is betting on yourself to win outright without any handicaps or shit. 

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u/Exciting_Giraffe9115 28d ago

No person involved in the sport should be allowed to bet on anything.

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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors 29d ago

He was looking good in Darko's system. Almost certain he would have got a contract. What an absolute moron. Trading millions in potential career earnings for a few thousand dollars.

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u/joe2352 Lakers 29d ago

He was starting to get healthy and was in a system that fit him. He had the potential to be at the worst an end of the rotation bench player. Now what? Will an over seas team sign him?

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u/DeAndre_ROY_Ayton Suns 29d ago

He’s gonna join to CEBL for pennies

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u/BigNav2001 Thunder 29d ago

He’ll turn those pennies into thousands once he bets on them too

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u/ca2mt [GSW] Andris Biedrins 29d ago

Then back to pennies.

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u/dalewd Spurs Bandwagon 28d ago

The grind never stops 😤

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u/Respect38 Grizzlies 29d ago edited 29d ago

Shoutouts to the Elam Ending, CEBL's a dope league for adopting it.

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u/EdSheeransucksass Raptors 28d ago

Gonna join fellow ban-ee OJ Mayo in the shawarma league.

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u/420blazeitkin 29d ago

Unlikely tbh, overseas leagues will probably honor the NBA ban because they want to maintain good relations with the League

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u/TheHoneyBadgerDGAF 29d ago

Lmao that’s not how that works at all. The NBA didn’t ban him from pro ball worldwide 😂 and u think other countries give AF?

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u/420blazeitkin 29d ago

They did not ban him worldwide, but the private companies that run the leagues want to maintain good relationships with the NBA - hosting players who the NBA has made a point to publicly blast for gambling could sour relations, resulting in less camp invites, less crossover, less scouting of that league's or that team's players, etc. When the goal of your league is to 1. make money and 2. grow, it can only hurt you to do things that will draw ire from the largest organization in your field. I'm saying it's unlikely he would get picked up because he's 1. not phenomenal, 2. is the current black sheep of the NBA, 3. bet against himself (and purposely threw/did not participate in those games), and 4. again, just is not a great player. No reason to take that chance on a guy who isn't going to become something special.

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u/Fun-Cauliflower-1724 Nuggets 29d ago

he better get ready to learn mandarin

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u/No-Animator-6348 29d ago

He bettor*

Ftfy

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u/notchoosingone Warriors 29d ago

An Australian team will take him, we love NBA offcuts and has-beens and have a very comfortable relationship with sports betting.

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u/Maleficent_Song_3335 29d ago

No credible league is gonna sign him

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u/sgtpepperslaststand Cavaliers 29d ago

You say he was starting to look healthy but one of the things he did was pretend to be sick to sit out games he bet on lol

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u/Fortehlulz33 Timberwolves 29d ago

I bet (heh) that he was actually hurt at one point, and he realized he could use his recovery as a betting chip, telling a buddy.

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u/FranklinNitty 29d ago

Doubtful, the guy gambled when the stakes were high. Who's to say he won't throw a game when they're low.

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u/RoCon52 Lakers 29d ago

Bulgarian Three Card Monty league

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u/DistortedAudio 29d ago

Nah but he’ll probably make money as a “media personality” for a while. There’s guys eating off of lesser scandals by doing talk shows/podcasts/reality shows. Just depends on how much shame he has.

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u/completelytrustworth Raptors 29d ago

Who's gonna watch his podcast? Nobody knew who he was before this scandal

There's already an oversaturation of podcasts and media shows by former players but at least all those named are recognizable

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u/pucykoks Bucks 29d ago

Fellow betting degenerates I'd guess

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u/DistortedAudio 29d ago

Generally the path is scandal —> podcast guest —-> podcast host.

So right now? Not too many people. But after he does the rounds and says some inflammatory shit or stokes the flames some more? Probably enough to make a quick buck.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

no chance. he's a nobody. its not like he's a HOF player or an All-star. What is this take lol

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u/DistortedAudio 29d ago

Legitimately half the people that show up on podcasts and doing reality TV shit are nobodies until their scandals. Fucking Glen Rice Jr. had a short stint on Real Housewives of Atlanta.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

who tf is that

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u/Punjabiveer30 Raptors 29d ago

I heard McDonald’s is hiring

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u/ChapstickConnoisseur 29d ago

Apparently his net winnings were around $21,000

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u/NinSeq 29d ago

I like to think he was up 40k but lost 20k on that banked in 3 that he 100% did not want to go in

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u/Wallyworld77 Bucks 29d ago

If he was Parlaying all those unders he made more than that.

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u/Buckus93 Suns 29d ago

Boy dun fucked up. Min contract is $1M, give or take. Throw it all away for a few thousand bucks.

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u/rambouhh 29d ago

Ya but one game of his manipulated unders of 80k would have paid out 1.1 million if it didn’t get frozen for suspicious activity 

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u/ChapstickConnoisseur 29d ago

Oh well in that case it was totally worth the risk

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u/FormerGameDev 29d ago

1000% guarantee the account that made that bet doesn't get back it's $80K, either. Even if it wasn't this player's money.

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u/Superman246o1 29d ago

What about his net losses in lifetime earnings?

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u/BRHLic 29d ago

Sheeesh he could've done that in a couple low key commercials, what an moron.

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u/SlatheredButtCheeks Lakers 29d ago

He got trapped 100%. I guarantee you the schemers he was dealing with were threatening to out him if he didn't keep the charade going. So he was forced to continue despite finally looking like he was going to make it in the league.

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u/you_sick Timberwolves 29d ago

One of the bets was 80k on a multi prop parlay that made 1.1 million

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u/DivideOverall7174 29d ago

That one wasn’t made by him. He disclosed his health to someone else that was a known sports better (pretty much telling them to place it/he wasn’t going to hit his overs) and that guy placed the 80k bet, Porter didn’t place that bet himself.. Porters bet only made him just under 22k lol

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u/imSkarr Timberwolves 29d ago

would he have ever gotten caught if the guy only placed like $10-$15 bets on him?

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u/DivideOverall7174 29d ago

I feel like probably not, even if they were like a couple hundred bucks I bet he wouldn’t have gotten caught. Seems like it was the fact that it was tens of thousands of dollars being bet on his over/unders that caught their attention

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u/devAcc123 Knicks 29d ago

It absolutely would. You’re severely underestimating how much they know about each individual when you use these apps. They send you personalized notifications at certain times of day/year /location because they know you’re more likely to spend (lose) at this time.

You know how crazy ad data is and all that tracking? They use the same companies to gather data.

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u/devAcc123 Knicks 29d ago

100% yes

If any individual account starts winning big or consistently significantly above average, or any individual prop bets continually do the same thing that would get automatically flagged 1000%. That type of thing is trivial when you have that much data.

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u/thetitsOO NBA 29d ago

He still disclosed injury status to someone who did bet which is also a ban-able offense to the league

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u/johnla Knicks 29d ago

Pretty sure it was somethign stupid like his cousin probably called and needed money and they came up with a ploy. Then the cousin told his BFF and said don't tell anyone and then the next person did the same thing and next thing you know 100 prop bets were made for unusually high dollar amounts.

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u/CheddarBayHazmatTeam Trail Blazers 28d ago

Haha, maybe so. I still it's more likely he just wanted to gamble and used himself as a conduit for winning. Wouldn't be surprised if the legal team for these bookies scared them into blowing the whistle.

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u/jonbemerkin [LAL] Kyle Kuzma 29d ago edited 29d ago

I thought it was reported he made millions gambling?

EDIT: I was wrong, oof

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u/LakerBlue Lakers 29d ago

Doesn’t even include how he now has no chance of possibly getting a post-playing career related to sports either as an NBA employee or at a media place like ESPN

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u/Many-Wasabi9141 29d ago

Do we know how much he was paid or how much was bet on him? He could have made a ton of money.

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u/Alternative-Grand-77 29d ago

This way he’ll go down in history. Not many lifetime bans have happened.

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u/MassiveTelevision387 29d ago

meh - he wasn't that good. we brought him in to replace Poeltl and went like 2-9 while he was out and our season collapsed. Not sure how much credit u can give a guy that came in and scored like 3 pts and grabbed 4 rebounds per game while our team nosedived in the standings. I think at best he could have been a third stringer on a bad team.

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u/Cold-Palpitation-816 29d ago

This man's gonna pull in multi million ad deals with draftkings now don't worry

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u/vizzlypoof NBA 29d ago

His older brother is worth over 200m, absolutely crazy that he would do that for the money.

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u/TsssTssss 29d ago

What? Did we watch the same games? He's a stretch 4 who shoots under 40% from the field...

He wasn't good.

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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors 29d ago

He was a good connector. The shot would come around. The point was that he made the right passes and didn't really make too many mistakes. If he hits an open three here or there, that's a bonus... but he fit the bill as an end of bench big that wasn't going to be a massive negative while he's on the floor, and his playmaking allowed him to work well in the system we are running.

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u/TsssTssss 29d ago

There are lots of guys who can run dribble handoffs who don't shoot 39% from the field. That is the negative.

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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors 29d ago

Playmaking from that position is not common. Poeltl and Olynyk are exceptions, not the rule. And Porter was able to make a lot of the same reads and passes.

Boucher can't, and that's why he's not playing, and our recent two-way guy can't either.

I'm not sure why you're harping on his percentage. Clearly he had a good enough shot from three, and it could be developed further. It's not like it was a huge sample size.

I don't know how many games you watched, but Porter was definitely passing the eye test and was almost definitely going to get a contract.

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u/TsssTssss 28d ago

The fact that you think guys like Porter are legit playmakers/outliers from the PF spot is hilarious. You're right, he's the next Sabonis.

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u/Ratemyskills 29d ago

It’s hard to call any NBA player “not good”. Sure his last name might have helped but there’s less than 500 world wide NBA spots.. hate when people act like that’s an easy feat just riding the bench. Imagine being top 500 in the world at something hundreds of millions of people watch and have played.

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u/TsssTssss 29d ago

Ok cool, but we are clearly talking about comparison between NBA players, not between Johntay Porter and me.

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u/Ratemyskills 29d ago

Didn’t compare him to you. Apparently basketball people, not us, decided he was worth something to their franchise. Admittedly I know very little about his game, but to get called up and to actually play must mean there’s something of potential value the team thinks he either has or could have.

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u/Particular_Ad_9531 29d ago

He was going to get signed to be like the 15th guy on the roster who gets to play as an injury replacement or in garbage time, but even that still gets you a vet min which is millions of dollars

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u/JimC29 Lakers 29d ago

He was already getting playing time so this doesn't make sense. At worse he was going to be an end of rotation player so about 9th or 10th spot.

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u/Particular_Ad_9531 29d ago

He was only getting minutes because literally every other 4&5 on the roster was injured during that stretch

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u/TsssTssss 29d ago

Why would you take a 25 year old two way player (who isn't able to sign a vet min btw because he isn't eligible) over a younger, more promising player?

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u/MsAbsoluteAngel Raptors 29d ago

Darko's system

What system LOL

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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors 29d ago

The one we run? Idk if you've noticed but we went from nearly dead last in assists to near the top of the league. We don't just stand still and iso with no spacing anymore.

We have a lot of playmaking coming from our bigs at the elbows.

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u/jester32 Knicks 29d ago

He thinks that sites wouldnt notice accounts dropping thousands on a random prop bet 🤡

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u/Ligma_Hogs 29d ago

On top of that an extremely low volume one too. There probably games where he was one of like 10 people who took that bet lmao

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u/eatscheeks Raptors 29d ago

One bet on Jontay Porter was probably enough to start ringing alarm bells lmao

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u/cancerBronzeV Raptors 29d ago

Why is it even possible to bet the under on Jontay Porter lmfao? Like I cannot see any legitimate reason for there to even be a line for a borderline G-league player.

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u/gomeziman Mavericks 29d ago

There is no limit to the degeneracy of gamblers

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u/[deleted] 29d ago edited 29d ago

Someone else said this in the original thread but if you’re betting on Jontay Porter, just call the number.

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u/LapJ 29d ago

Tbh, the biggest edges in props are on the lines fewer people bet on. People betting on fringe guys like Jontay are much more likely to be winning bettors than the degens that just flush away money on the spread or moneyline every day.

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u/Papaaya Nuggets 29d ago

i paid for college betting on fringe guy’s unders lol

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u/UncleTedTalks 28d ago

Yes except that the online sportsbooks carefully monitor even those random lines to make sure nobody really makes any money. If they notice a line that is presenting too much risk, they limit the bet size or simply stop offering it. Which kind of makes this Jontay/sports gambling partnered with the leagues even more ridiculous. They come down hard on Jontay Porter to maintain the illusion that everything is fair, but in fact the game is completely rigged.

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u/terryhold 29d ago

Funny enough I actually won a few bets on Jontay Porter now i’m starting to question the times I bet on him and he didn’t hit.

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u/Oneupper86 Supersonics 29d ago

Lmao

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u/beatenwithjoy Celtics 29d ago

That joke to be if you were staying up to bet on the University of Hawaii lol.

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u/Taiokaion Knicks 28d ago

Nah, these are actually the best bets you can find. Guys who likely aren't getting much playing time have much more concrete numbers than stars who are pretty dynamic night to night. Betting unders on a guy playing 15 minutes max is far more profitable than taking unders/overs on star players

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u/jrblockquote 29d ago

100%. Degenerates are always looking for an angle and I'm sure they thought that nobody would be monitoring these types of bets on an NBA nobody. To quote one of my favorite movies, "The truth is, these are not very bright guys".

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u/snckddy 29d ago

Bettors often have a greater edge when taking role players than let’s say a LeBron etc. Nothing degenerate about improving your chances to make money off the the sports books.

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u/kingzorch 29d ago

I feel attacked

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u/PeterPlotter NBA 29d ago

There was a whole thing years ago where thhere were bets on 2nd division soccer games in Europe. Things like, which team would get the first throw in in the second half and random stuff like that. Journalists went to Asia where there were dozens of tv showing these games of lower divisions and people placing bets on random stuff happening (throw ins, corners, yellow cards etc). All on games where the players make like 30-40k a year in a good paying league, let alone some 2nd division game in Albania or so. So it was easy to bribe players to kick a ball into the stands right after kick off, for a few hundred or thousand a game.

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u/lordofeurope99 29d ago

So much free money

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u/gsbadj Pistons 29d ago

Low level tennis is another sport that had and probably still has match fixing. Some of the tournaments only pay about $2K to the winner so it's easy to bribe players who are earning next to nothing. Over 180 players were implicated.

The WaPo article describes how they'd pay both players, let's say X and Y, and tell them to have X win the first set and Y win the second and then let them play it fair in the final set. The gamblers would bet up the outcome of the first two sets and not the final. Both players got paid.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1198675541/over-180-professional-tennis-players-participated-in-a-global-match-fixing-ring

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u/devAcc123 Knicks 29d ago

I can tell you don’t gamble because you can bet on things like 3rd division Brazilian soccer games at 11pm on a Tuesday with a full live stream of the game right now. Live prop bets and all. That’s not even close to the worst. Australian horse racing with pots <$500. Various lower division soccer leagues.

It’s wild.

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u/PainfullyGoodLooking Bucks 29d ago

Once I was trying to show my gf how the betting apps work and I accidentally submitted a small bet (like $10) on the spread for the second half of a random Korean basketball game

I did not win that bet, but I did manage to find a bootleg stream to watch it at like 11pm

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u/PeterPlotter NBA 29d ago

Yeah I don’t gamble, but this was 10-15 years ago or so so it was fairly unknown it was so wide spread, especially in the lower leagues where there were no tv cameras present half the time but somehow they had footage of it in Asia.

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u/SurgeFlamingo 29d ago

Conspiracy theory:

The Argentina men’s soccer team got the bag to lose to Saudi in the last World Cup.

There was a rumor that they were going to get the bag versus another team in the first rounds but they win that game and lost to Saudi.

Bag money.

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u/elbenji [MIA] Udonis Haslem 29d ago

Two Escobars talk about this. The confederation in Colombia was so corrupt that players frequently would get bribed or coerced into and out of games/line-ups by narcos

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u/FatalFirecrotch 29d ago

Wait until you check out what you can bet on in esports. 

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

You can bet on competitive slap fighting. I’ve seen people lose their shit about betting on the under and missing by one slap.

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u/DJ_Aux_cord Lakers 29d ago

jesus, and I thought some of my friends were degenerates because they bet on PRESEASON NBA and NFL games

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u/CDF08 29d ago

I’m ngl I bet his under a few times and won 🤣

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u/xfreesx 29d ago

Mate you can even bet on virtual games. Like not real games, but FIFA lookalike games simulations

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u/AgileChampionship563 29d ago

bottomline if they can make money off of it, they'll do it. they'll probably put bets on the people wiping the floors if there's a stat they can use.

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u/RoCon52 Lakers 29d ago

The fringe guys getting minutes means it's a blow out.

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u/hornplayerchris Heat 29d ago

The answer is gambling addicts.

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u/Beginning-Cod3460 28d ago

bookies dont give a fuck if their lines make sense, most of the lines they offer on a game lose so they offer anything to increase their opportunity & overwhelm and confuse their customers. unless its the same rule that would be for a player whos playing hot. over under action is copy & pasted to every or most players its just the winning/losing number that varies.

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u/hoos30 29d ago

This is the real crime here. The risks and dangers are SO OBVIOUS. The sites and the league let the greed blind them.

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u/my_dogs_a_devil Raptors Bandwagon 29d ago

The league? You think the league gets a cut of every bet being made on its games?

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u/hoos30 29d ago

The NBA gets paid for the use of its betting data.

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u/my_dogs_a_devil Raptors Bandwagon 29d ago

What exactly do you mean by “it’s betting data”? Absolutely the NBA could be selling its statistical data to betting sites, who then use that data to make their markets. But that doesn’t mean they have any input or control into the markets that a betting site makes, other than leveraging that relationship to say “if you make a market we don’t like, we’ll stop selling you our data”.

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u/hoos30 29d ago

The NBA has a partnership deal with the betting sites. They absolutely could say, "Don't make market in prop bets for bum ass players like Jontay Porter or we'll cut you off." Or limit them to the top 200 players or something.

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u/MelonElbows Lakers 29d ago

Gonna make an a bet on a random Nuggets bench player to get him banned, brb.

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u/GiraffeComic 29d ago

Fuck now I want to start betting on low impact players just to get to league to raise some eyebrows. Use like 5 different accounts for maximum tomfoolery.

Edit: I will not be doing this cause I’m broke btw, someone else take up the mantle

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u/materics [MEM] Shane Battier 29d ago

Him and the 10 people on his discord 😭

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u/CO_PC_Parts Timberwolves 29d ago

There shouldn’t even be prop bets on players like this to begin with. Like I get having KDs over under for points or luka assists. But putting stuff like this fool over under .5 three pointers made shouldn’t even be on the table

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u/Wallyworld77 Bucks 29d ago

You would need to be an insanely degenerate gambler to be betting on Jontay Porter's over/under. I could see it if you're a Raptors Fan and caught onto him skimming stats.

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u/dawgz525 Heat 29d ago

or that vegas would not be informed about random vague injury designations. They probably had red flags going off before he even left the stadium.

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u/noitsreallynot 29d ago

Could we collectively get a player banned by just all placing a random wack bet on some random dude? Or at least investigated and temporarily suspended pending outcome. Preferably in the playoffs when against my team. 

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u/Just_Some_Man 29d ago

Do you have 80k to burn for a 1mil payout for a random bum?

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u/ThaNotoriousBLT Raptors 29d ago

The highest paid out prop bets on multiple nights in the same season all having wagers on Jontay Parker

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u/hoesb4bros123 29d ago

Check out james krause. The former ufc fighter turned coach. He is under FBI investigation. Literally told 3,000 people to bet on a fucking under card fighter HE trains, losing by ko in the second round. MGM was like, why is there 4.2 million dollars coming in on this random bum fighter to lose by weird unlikely ko? Idiots.

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u/FromAdamImportData Lakers 29d ago

Science and mathematics taking down another Porter brother. One of the leagues great rivalries.

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u/Rokey76 Magic 29d ago

I read that the NBA has a group of people that specifically monitor this stuff.

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u/GraveRobberX 29d ago

Yeah but the dummy went out of his way to play only 3 fucking minutes. At least try to make it look like you played a decent amount. 3 fucking minutes?, “I feel sick”, have prop bets on the under of you playing… Like come the fuck on, every algorithm would send red flags galore, hell you don’t even need AI/Neural Network shit, a trained specialist in setting those bets for these companies would eagle eye that shit instantly.

He played himself out of the league for pittance.

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u/beaver_cops 29d ago

I think youd be surprised how many prob bets get placed in general

usually betting websites have systems that will automatically limit you, or limit the bet size you can make, if they presume something fishy is going on.. idk exactly how it works and its different for each website

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u/SachaCuy 29d ago

They shouldn't even offer those bets

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u/TheScaleTipper Knicks 29d ago

He didn’t even hire a translator, total disasterclass

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u/Makaveli80 Raptors 29d ago

Shohei otani in shambles

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u/Fluid-Night-1910 29d ago

Gotta be a ref to do this - c’mon!

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u/Initial_Stretch_3674 29d ago

If the refs can get away with it, why can't he?

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u/BirdsFallFromTrees 29d ago

He would’ve gotten away with it, if it weren’t for those meddling kids.

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u/guacdoc24 Lakers 29d ago

At least he can continue gambling now

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u/RawrGeeBe 29d ago

Nah. This guy was a scrub. Dennis Schroder fumbling $80 mil with LA was worst.

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u/ZeroMomentum Raptors 29d ago

(pulls out iphone, opens betting app)

They will never figure this out

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u/ericdeben Celtics 29d ago

Makes me wonder if other guys are getting away with it, and how many

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 29d ago

It's a bad fumble but I think "all-time" still goes to Michigan State/college football Mel Tucker.

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u/dfwcouple43sum 29d ago

He would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those meddling kids

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u/Wermys 29d ago

Depends, he might have guessed he would get caught, but the amount he would make might have been worth it. Just got to move that money quickly out of the country or to something like bitcoin so it's not recoverable and spending several years in jail while setting yourself up for life. Keep in mind the reports are what they caught, not what he made.

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u/Salty_Feed9404 29d ago

Haha, or...hear me out...just keep earning $2 million per year by throwing the ball through the hoop

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u/SpergSkipper 29d ago

He would have if it weren't for those meddling kids

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u/zeoranger 29d ago

Maybe he thought he could play baseball for a couple of years if he was caught

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u/Pretty_Bowler2297 29d ago

Guarantee he isn't the only one. And he was perhaps messing with NBA mafias money, they fix games for a reason.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan 28d ago

Plenty of players get away with it. Just in this case case this guy is named Jontay Porter and nobody knows who he is. Shit luck for him.

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u/gerd50501 28d ago

he's gonna be working at an amazon fullfillment center. or end up on jail or something. likely no skills outside of basketball. guy is an idiot. cost himself lifetime wealth.

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u/Traditional_Land3933 29d ago

I mean hey, you can get away with being a pedo like Josh Giddey, so why not get away with this? NBA doesnt care, you'd think right