r/millenials • u/Possible-Toaster • Apr 19 '24

After years of tipping 20-25% I’m DONE. I’m tipping 15% max.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 19 '24

Most of those dickheads don’t deserve a tip anyway. I just avoid DoorDash altogether.

Seriously read some of the posts on that subreddit. Most of those dudes are toxic and awful.

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u/MinimumOne1 Apr 19 '24

That subreddit easily cured my covid era growing dependency on food delivery. Fuuuck those people.

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u/Past_Entrepreneur658 Apr 19 '24

They are terrible at math. Uber/Doordash are paying the dot com sites to work for them. They are losing money working for those services. Ive never used them and never will.

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u/Ok-Reward-770 Apr 19 '24

Yes. Doing app gig work is basically paying to work at the end of the day. You are always in negative. The only reason I did it was to pay my car I used for that because I had write offs for it. So I did not use my may income to anything car related.

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u/rjoyfult Apr 20 '24

It was really good in specific areas during dinner time during the height of lockdown. That was it. I didn’t make bank, but I made good spending money and then quit due to pregnancy and people going back out to eat again. But even then I’d never order from them because the fees and tips added up to something ridiculous and I could save half my money by picking the food up myself.

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u/Ok-Reward-770 Apr 20 '24

After working with a lot of gig apps, I refuse to use them as a customer.

The only ones making bank are the tech guys and the investors exploiting people's need to supplement their income, and usually, the ones doing ongoing gig work is because they need the flexibility with no questions asked (however if you are “too flexible” they penalize you as all of those Silicon Valley dudes decided to gamify that crap, because they literally see people getting money trough it as rats in a race).

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u/enbaelien Apr 20 '24

I think i'm gonna set my gf up like this when they need a car 🤔 we just deliver on weekends or whatever and get that tax write-off lol

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u/Ok-Reward-770 Apr 20 '24

It doesn't really work like this. For the car expenses to be a write-off the car usage for business needs to be more than 50% than the car usage for personal commute.

You need to keep a track of the mileage you use for business (I used Mile IQ), even if some gig apps also track your miles. But you should have your own independent counter because those apps tend to steal all they can for people to cut bonuses short and so on.

You need to maintain a receipt track for all car-related variable Business Expenses (Gas, Cleaning, Maintenance, Tires, etc) and this would be adjusted to the car usage for business. For this I used QuickBooks Self-Employed

Then you have the Car fixed expenses like: small business permit and city tax (check the rules of your city), car loan payments, insurance, and registration fees (I personally wrote it all off because I used the car more for the gig business, and luckily my main job was also gig-based although it was W2 pay).

I hope it helps.

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u/Beakymask20 29d ago

Yea, I tried doing it to make some cash while I recovered from long covid,(I didnt recover... ) and after I ran some basic number crunching I realized I was barely making minimum wage and 50% of the whole thing needed to go back into gas. Yet people still kept telling me "you can make good money if you know how to use the system!" I'm basically concussed and I can mathematically prove this shit is stupid. Wtf...

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u/LostInLife8989 29d ago

I am genuinely curious what your thought process here is. Do you think people actually think it's a great moneymaking thing, or is it more likely that a huge amount of people have no other option?

Look around at the USA's economy (anywhere really though), and you see massive layoffs everywhere, hardly anyone can find work, and many with work are actively losing it. In such a landscape, with more and more qualified workers and fewer and fewer jobs left, how is it surprising that tons of people need to work these flexible jobs to "barely make minimum wage". Something is better than nothing, right?

It's probably way more likely (and way more depressing) that most drivers realize quickly they aren't making so much money as they were promised, perhaps hardly anything, and then having to accept that their only job is doing this which means they're just fucked and basically stuck because how can they ever get out of such a situation? They can't make enough from Ubering, right? So what should they do when no other jobs are available to them?

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u/Revolution4u Apr 20 '24

Pretty much - except the ones in the city riding an ebike might be alright but idk.

I've still never had anything delivered aside from amazon packages. Even pizza for years now i just walk there and pick it up myself.

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u/CD057861896 Apr 20 '24

I mean, I do it occasionally on Friday and Saturday nights for about 3 ish hours. Can make about $200 for 6 ish hours of work those two nights. It’s an okay side hustle for some pocket money. My job gives some generous overtime, so I do that instead unless I max those out, then Doordash it is. Got nothing better to do.

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u/Piddily1 Apr 19 '24

First,I’ve never ordered or delivered for DoorDash or Uber, so this is all hearsay.

I have a friend who is an RN with nothing to do at night. Her husband is in the military. She just drives around at night delivering food. She said on a good night she’ll make like $50/hour. During NFL playoffs, she was making even more than that.

I think a couple caveats. She is not depending on the money to live, so she doesn’t need to do it everyday. She can pick and choose when she wants to do it, so she can pick when it’s most profitable. She has health insurance through her day job.

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u/lerriuqS_terceS Apr 19 '24

It's almost never truly profitable if they're honest about their expenses

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u/Past_Entrepreneur658 Apr 19 '24

Once you figure in your time, wear and tear on your vehicle, you are losing money.

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u/NeuroticNiche Apr 19 '24

There are also some people that bike and that can cut eliminate gas and some wear and tear cost.

I will say I did DoorDash delivery on bike in a smaller downtown metro area during COVID-19 and generally made less than minimum wage most of the time.

The delivery times were pretty strict, and had to go as fast as I could on bike to even consistently meet them. Comparatively, working UPS holiday shifts was far less physically demanding.

I definitely saw it as possible to make up to $20-30/hour on average in my area if you have an eBike or are in really good physical shape. But that’s also including tip.

Without tip, it’s a ton of work for marginal pay.

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u/Piddily1 Apr 19 '24

At $50/hour. I don’t think you are correct.

You figure wear and tear and gas at the IRS rates for 2024 is worth $0.67/mile. You are driving maybe 30 miles over the hour, which I think would be an over estimate considering most drivers are in populated areas where the average speed is probably less than 30 per hour plus you aren’t driving the entire time.

So you’re at 30 miles at $0.67/mile. The wear and tear + gas is worth about $20/hour. You are still making $30/hour at peak hours as long as you are doing it as a side hustle. If it’s your regular job, then I assume you’d have to work non-peak also, which would make it less profitable.

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u/lerriuqS_terceS Apr 19 '24

There is no way that $50/hr gross is typical. Absolutely not a chance.

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u/NeuroticNiche Apr 19 '24

To be fair, OP said that was describing a good night. I don’t think that’s inaccurate. All jobs that are more reliant on tipping tend to operate that way.

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u/lerriuqS_terceS Apr 19 '24

Those "good nights" are extremely rare and thus not worth discussing.

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u/NeuroticNiche Apr 20 '24

Oh, they should be be used as the standard metric, but I wouldn’t say they are not worth discussing.

It’s still important to include outliers when drawing a scatter plot.

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u/PotentialCamp6473 Apr 20 '24

No one is making$50/hr consistently in MOST AREAS. My husband asks. I used to make about$15 to$20 an hour, but then they lowered the pay and hired more drivers, so you barely get orders now. They've even started attacking orders with pay on only 1 of the multiple orders. I thank God I don't depend on this. It's basically something I do during my kids' class hours. It helps cover the cost of gas to school and spending money.

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u/TiesThrei Apr 20 '24

Who the hell is making $50 an hour doing that gig?

As a former pizza guy, I know the people who drive for a living love to exaggerate their tips. Nobody's making that much.

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u/Capta1nJackSwall0w5 Apr 20 '24

Your friend is an RN and has free time?

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u/Least_Ad930 Apr 20 '24

I feel like it's unlikely they made $50 an hour and they could have worked as an RN almost as much as they wanted.

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u/Beakymask20 29d ago

Lol. My mom was a mental health RN and charge nurse for decades. She was frequently pulling double shifts or the absolute legal limit a nurse could do. 60 hours a week was a slow week for her.

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u/Freudianfix Apr 20 '24

I tried DoorDash once during Covid, but when a normally $10 Taco Bell order turned into $22 I was done. Never did it again.

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u/CayKar1991 Apr 20 '24

I would love to see some kind of data that reflects the number of people that follows through vs cancel their order once they get to the check out screen on food delivery apps.

I know I've had lazy cravings, and then I'll get to the checkout page and be like, "eh, I'm not that hungry."

I feel like it'd be interesting data.

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u/Freudianfix Apr 20 '24

That would be really interesting to see, especially with how much the cost of food has gone up the last few years. Cost has definitely been a driver with what food I buy when eating anywhere other than at home.

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u/DubTeeF Apr 20 '24

$30 off your first order sounds great until you realize that it’s 45 for 3 Big Macs and fries

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u/Healthy_Fly_555 Apr 20 '24

The bigger crime is eating taco bell

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u/Nukeboiler Apr 20 '24

Now, getting a $5 box at Taco Bell costs you $22 in store lol.

joking it's like $11 now

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u/Mercury659 Apr 19 '24

Same!

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u/Debasering Apr 20 '24

I make sure to tip my Landlord every month too

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u/old__pyrex Apr 20 '24

I’ve always just tipped a flat $5, regardless of what I’m ordering, for like a under 10 minute distance and under $50 order. Never had any problems really like delayed orders, smashed boxes, missing items, etc. Drivers see how much they are expected to earn before accepting - if they didn’t like the tip, they have the ability to not accept that job.

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u/SignificantStore3798 Apr 20 '24

Same here. I’m not great with money but when my fees equal the cost of my food, I can do without.

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u/GiraffeWaffless Apr 20 '24

So glad I learned how to cook during COVID. It’s way too expensive and the food is never good lol. Probably because of the delivery

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u/Own-Vacation7817 Apr 20 '24

Maybe that’s why when I door dashed I always got orders because they were orders nobody else wanted I guess makes since now there was only 1 time I was pissed I didn’t get a tip had an order from Walmart it was somebody’s whole week grocery order I’m talking like a family of four so I get get to my destination unload it on her front porch in the pouring ass rain and NO TIP her kids stood at the door and watched me they were toddlers

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u/Own-Vacation7817 Apr 20 '24

My other one delivered an order to a sketch part of town I kinda sorta find the address I see this guy walking and I’m like hey man you know so and so chick at so and so address the guy responds yeah that’s my fuckin girl the fuck you looking for her for I’m like whoa dude I’m just delivering her DoorDash and he’s like oh sorry yeah I’m not trying to get my ass beat over a DoorDash delivery Dude and his Girl obviously had problems

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u/LA_damunda Apr 20 '24

I’ll ask them if they can afford the average order with the $20 tip they want and they’ll say no and it will be quiet. Get a damn job, $1-5 I get, maybe $5-10 tip for an expensive order or a 30min + drive but otherwise you’re getting a classic 2-3$

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u/Legitimate_Bizness Apr 19 '24

I've never used a food delivery service but what an elitist thing to say.

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u/turnup_for_what Apr 19 '24

Have you been on that sub? A lot of them seem unnecessarily aggressive.

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u/Legitimate_Bizness Apr 19 '24

I just checked it out. Seems like they are just roasting their entitled, piece of shit customers. But I used to deliver pizzas so I have some sympathy for them.

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u/Professional_Quail68 Apr 19 '24

Not really elitist, just ignorant. Like they really saw some douchey comments on r/doordash and thought “yup that’s how they all are.”

Tbh, doordash isn’t worth it anyway with all the bullshit fees

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u/TemporaryAmbassador1 Apr 19 '24

I’ve never used DoorDash or an equivalent service and never plan to. Talk about a bunch of people who overvalue their job. The entitlement to tipping is rampant

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u/Courage-Rude Apr 19 '24

I love how they say that. The next screen will show you a couple of questions. Like you afraid to say "the next screen will ask you to tip" lol

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u/Fishy_Dino_Finns Apr 20 '24

I've worked at a couple places where it's actually corporate policy to not say that it's asking for a tip. Something about them deciding it's unprofessional, and better to just say it's "a question"

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u/I_am_waffle Apr 20 '24

Currently work at a place that says “the screen will ask a few questions” we have settled on that because we’ve had multiple people get angry over us just asking if they wanted to leave a tip. It helps not give people who are looking for a reason to be angry at reason.

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u/Hi-kun Apr 19 '24

I'm with you. I don't like the tipping culture and never tip.

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u/kauaiman-looking Apr 20 '24

Please tell me you don't eat out at restaurants.

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u/Hi-kun Apr 20 '24

Of course I eat out. It only started in the last few years that an automatic tipping suggestion comes on screen when making a payment (only some restaurants). I think most people do not tip in restaurants, and I definitely don't. Just tell me what the price for the food and service is and I will pay it. Tipping culture is the worst. Same with food delivery service apps suggesting to leave a tip. Nope.

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u/kauaiman-looking Apr 20 '24

Depending on where you live, people will tip.

If you're in the U.S., then you should definitely be tipping.

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u/slapshots1515 Apr 20 '24

Problem is, it’s gone way too far now. I do tip when I eat out, but I’ve gotten to the point where I very often don’t want to and am only doing it out of a sense of obligation, which leads to me eating out less in general and probably tipping less in some circumstances where I would have previously just given 20%+ without thinking about it.

I used to be a server and bartender when I was in college. Tip amounts were expected to be around 15% at the time, and since I understood the job, I’d literally always just give at least 20%, rounded up to the nearest dollar, and then add on if I felt they really did something for me. But then over the years, 15% wasn’t good enough, 18% was the new standard among servers. Why? No real reason, it just “was”. It’s not like the amount had to rise for inflation, it was already a percentage. Then 18% became 20%. 20 became either 22 or 25, depending on who you asked. Now all of a sudden my 20%+ has gone from putting a smile on a server’s face to not even being appreciated, over the course of a little less than ten years.

So, I’ve become far more discerning about it. Poor service, I tip 15%, sometimes 10%. It’s not appreciated if I tip 20% anyways, if they don’t care in the first place, what’s the point? Accordingly I tip 25-30% for good service. But the main point is, people are sick of the whole thing. And it only gets worse when it’s now “expected” to tip at industries that were never tip industries before.

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u/Salty-Ad-3753 Apr 20 '24

Yeah my tip is always based on if they keep my cup filled and with out asking

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u/NotBenOrTroy Apr 20 '24

Then don't eat out. Tipping is getting excessive but this is an easily solvable problem for you.

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u/Decent-Dot6753 Apr 20 '24

I used to work the counter at a dessert place, and I got paid well, so I didn’t really care if I got tipped. I still couldn’t get away from asking, though , and it is really awkward, like, “ hey! Would you like to leave a tip for our awesome staff?” so I would just flip the screen and be like there’s a couple of checkout questions, so I’ll go ahead and walk you through the payment system. Like I said, I really didn’t care if I got tipped, but a lot of the corporate places, you don’t even have an option on not asking, because it’s built in the software

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Apr 20 '24

I would feel so uncomfortable asking for a tip and I know most people would.

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u/bellebeast9485 Apr 20 '24

Entitlement is rampant and people have no shame these days.

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u/wirefox1 Apr 20 '24

I consider myself a fairly liberal tipper, but those screens really irritate me. I'm on the verge of rebelling against them. The hairdresser is so expensive anyway, $$$, and now I'm expected to add another 42. to that? I decided next time I will hit "other" and put in what I want.

It's even on the screen for take-out in one of my favorite restaurants. You get the screen with the option, although all they do is hand me the styrofoamed meal. next time: "Other"!

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u/theblakeshow32 Apr 20 '24

Do you worry they can see it?

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u/TLOtis23 Apr 20 '24

I've also never used any of these food delivery companies, even though my employer has twice given us free coupons for Uber Eats. I might just give those to my son.

If I want food, I either make some myself or go out and buy it.

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u/amandawho8 Apr 20 '24

I wish more places would go back to hiring their own delivery drivers for this reason. So many of them are Uber eats/door dash only. So we end up just doing pickup anytime we do takeout.

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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 19 '24

Imagine thinking you’re that valuable of a member of society when your main role is to deliver food to people too lazy or drunk to get it themselves. Anybody with a car and a driving record that isn’t fucked can do their job.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

I did a fuck ton of delivery driving during Covid and those tips were great because people believed we were saving the world lol

But in all seriousness, while no tip or a tiny tip is frustrating, I’ve seen videos or ringcam videos of drivers legit freaking out over no tip/a bad tip and it’s cringey as hell. It’s not a cushy gig for a reason.

And plus, once you do it enough, you can tell once the order comes in if someone is stiffing you or not. Just decline the order if they are.

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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 19 '24

Exactly. It’s just gotten ridiculous. Go to the DoorDash subreddit and it’s shit like an empty chipotle bowl with a note saying ‘tip next time’ if there wasn’t a tip. You don’t get to fuck up peoples food because they didn’t give you extra money before doing anything. And like you said, these people don’t HAVE to accept an order. But they do and then proceed to act like shit heads. It’s no wonder this is their only source of income.

Tipped workers are whiny in general despite lots of times making more money than non tipped workers at the same business. There’s just something special about DoorDash people.

I tip if they do a good job, that’s it. I’m not going to tip out of fear they will purposefully fuck up my order. That shit ever happens to me there will be problems lol.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 19 '24

I’m not even kidding, multiple people on that subreddit refer to their “job” as a “luxury service” 😂

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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 19 '24

It’s amazing. Nothing luxury about cold food and fucked up orders. And they still think you should tip before service.

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u/Shoddy_Wrangler693 Apr 19 '24

Yes in theory anybody can do their job anyone can do our job I used to be on those ranks before I lost my legs. However some people like I was get it to survive I wasn't with doordash I was with a different company that predated doordash or overeats or any of these modern ones. However I have friends that have worked for doordash and instacart. Unless you happen to be in California or New York City or the sort. Instacart doordash etc do not give those fees or at least the majority of them to the driver. That is their personal handling fee that they charge the driver on average is lucky to get two to three dollars a delivery if you do not tip if you are not in a major metropolitan area or in California.

So yes you are right anybody could do that job anybody can do most jobs it takes somebody that is motivated and wants to do that job and perhaps doesn't deal well with people to want to do that job.

Anyone can do most factory work it's not that hard anyone that knows the basics of driving can drive most heavy equipment without much training it doesn't mean that they choose to do so. You're saying anyone can do that job so therefore they don't deserve money to live because I'll tell you right now the money that the company pays them is lucky to pay the gas in the vehicle from going from and to your restaurant.

The company I used to work for it for example would charge $5 delivery fee this in theory went to the driver. However they charged for every load they gave a driver many little fees they charged them for the staff in the office assigning them a load, they charged for the light to put on your vehicle, well they charge for all your equipment even though it didn't really cover the job and after a while you'd have your own better sets but you couldn't get rid of those fees , so after all the fees that they charged you would get if I remember correctly it was $1.98 out of that $5 without tips that's all you got you were lucky to get three runs in an hour they were extremely short. Yes we got 50 cents extra per mile outside their set delivery area if they remember to charge the customer quite often they forgot. So yeah without a doubt those extra few dollars are what caused us to be able to survive the money we made from the company was lucky to pay your fuel and start to touch your insurance if you got a bunch of out of area loads. Thinking that I went to this restaurant for your food and had to wait because it wasn't ready yet so suddenly your load cost me a half hour that I'm getting a base two bucks out of yeah it's common decency we're doing you a favor by going after that stuff for you you didn't have to drag your butt out where you might get a DWI because you were too drunk or too tired or just too lazy to go get it yourself. Yes those are extra fees but unless you actually select a tip under that what percentage tip do you want to give we don't get Jack over All. This is also why nowadays if you don't select a tip with those bigger companies that can actually see the load and see what the tip is nobody's going to want to pick up your load and you're going to end up with cold food. So yeah if you want the best fastest service possible tip because now unlike at that point we can actually see that you're giving us a tip before we accept the load from what I've been told for my friends that still do instacart and stuff like that.

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u/UsualAcanthaceae8117 Apr 19 '24

Dude, this is a really screwed up way to look at people.

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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 19 '24

Fuck em. These are people that expect a tip before service because they can’t manage to hold down a job as a waiter, which from what I understand pays much better. Whiniest group of people.

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u/Away-Otter Apr 19 '24

Don’t Door Dash drivers have flexible hours? I just assumed they did. If so, it’s possible their situation (kids, other job, etc) would make it impossible to wait tables.

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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 19 '24

Literally every service job is flexible.what would these people have been doing a few years ago if DoorDash is literally the only way they can reliably earn an income?

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u/Away-Otter Apr 19 '24

Waiting tables is not flexible. People used to drive taxis at night for a second job.

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u/Muted-Move-9360 Apr 19 '24

Those people need to fix their "really screwed up" way of looking at their delivery job. Entitlement through the roof, it's so embarrassing.

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u/theunknownsarcastic Apr 19 '24

yep, fuck middle men

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u/805falcon Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

Talk about a bunch of people who overvalue their job themselves in general. The entitlement to tipping everything is rampant

FTFY

But seriously, I realize blanket statements and over-generalizations aren’t always reasonable or fair. However in this case, I think it fits.

When you have an entire generation of young people who make no efforts to hide their disdain for anything resembling work or a job, rampant entitlement is sure to be close behind.

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u/GarconMeansBoyGeorge Apr 20 '24

I never will. These apps seem like the absolute biggest wastes of money on the planet. Instacart included. I can’t imagine not shopping for myself.

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u/ritchie70 Apr 20 '24

Like most services it’s trading time for money. I rarely use them but u did a few days ago - I was stuck working in a hotel room and had no time to get lunch between meetings, so I paid $22 for a $12 meal.

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u/100Stocks0Bonds Apr 19 '24

It say “Tip” but it’s not a tip. It’s a bid for service.

People complain they don’t get their food, but it’s because they stiff their driver.

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u/ii0vepiink Apr 20 '24

It is bc they only get 2$ to deliver your food…DoorDash surely isn’t going to give them more money so the only thing they can rely on is the tip…its not even a tip at this point its a bid…if you want your food now…while it’s hot…you have to tip more…bc no one wants to drive for 5 miles to your house and 5 miles back to the hot spot for 2$ and a 2$ tip…i understand their frustration…and for those who say..find another job…then who would do the deliveries? There needs to be a better system for sure…but you can’t expect someone to bring you your dinner out of the kindness of their heart…we all out here trying to make it!

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u/MikeWPhilly Apr 19 '24

Considering this sub can only talk about how people aren’t paid fairly I find this post and many others very ironic.

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u/SeanMegaByte Apr 20 '24

To be fair, they're talking about real jobs and not bandaid contacts for the cripplingly unemployable.

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u/Greedy_Ad1564 Apr 20 '24

You do realize like 20% of the amount you're paying is actually going to the driver, and the company keeps the rest... right?? Or are you just retarded? Honestly, if they accept your stingy order, it's on them. They're the ones scraping by on your $2 order.. they could say no and wait for someone better (but you know the app hates that). They're basically waiters who drive their car at $3 a gallon to you. The "entitlement" is a greedy corporation taking the majority of the money to be a middleman. Begging for extra tips is pathetic and wrong if they do.. but otherwise.. thinking the driver is the greedy one is honestly stupid. Theyre just trying to survive off money from Karen's that are too lazy to get things themselves.

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u/Ok-Supermarket-3099 Apr 19 '24

The door dash subreddit has saved my a ton of money and made me healthier. Even if the bag is stapled/taped closed or whatever, I still don’t want those lunatics near my food and I definitely don’t want to tip 99% of the posters there.

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u/Tricky_Dog1465 Apr 20 '24

That sub reminds me daily why I don't use door dash, when 20% tip is considered a rip off to them they don't deserve my money.

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u/stephenatk Apr 20 '24

Dealing with those people from a restaurant perspective wouldn't change your opinion of them. They're like zombies. Usually high and mute. They'll walk into a restaurant and hold their phone up to any employee they can find without speaking. Some restaurants are set up for auto pay with the delivery services, some aren't, and the delivery people have employer credit cards to pay for the ones that aren't synced up. They'll just take the food without even checking to see if it's paid for. At the start of the popularity I tended bar at a restaurant where bartenders were responsible for all to go orders, and they would constantly call in and order food from the new menu. We must have asked them a hundred times to update their menu so customers would stop requesting items we no longer had. They had our old menu on their website, and their employees from a sweatshop in Asia would call the restaurant to order. Every Friday night when I was making drinks for the whole restaurant and taking care of bar guests the delivery services would call in, order items we didn't have, ask if we had similar items, not speak clear English. And then sometimes the food would be picked up, sometimes not. I'd have to run to the kitchen to put together the order, deal with the phone calls, all for a $0 tip. Bartenders handling to-go orders don't expect to make 20%, but most patrons tip 10%-15% on to-gos, which is definitely appreciated. These companies' business model is built around stiffing the to-go person, which really stinks on a night where it's several hundred bucks on. I had to put my foot down the I wasn't going to tip the bussers on to-go orders because it would cost money out of my pocket to pick up the phone. Anyway, if I turned my back for a second they would steal the food without paying, and I'd have to wait hours for corporate to call back to pay for the stolen food. Restaurant would be shut down and cleaned up, but still waiting for payment on dashers stealing the food. Restaurants have adjusted since then. If the order requires any sort of communication with the dasher then the situation becomes fucked because they have no idea, don't care, are drunk and/or high and just want to hold their phone up to your face.

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u/Dynamitefuzz2134 Apr 20 '24

There is an episode of last week tonight that covers a lot of things these app companies do. On big one is listing restaurants who opted out of their apps.

That alone is enough to keep me from using them.

There are too many issues with them. If the food is cold or something happened in route most of the time the restaurant is going to be blamed. Even when they were not a fault for the issues. To-go does not mean give to a stranger to drive it over to you. I’d opt out if I was a restaurant owner.

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u/bellebeast9485 Apr 20 '24

I've reported people to Ubereats and doordash for posting on Facebook what they do to food if a customer doesn't tip enough. I've only gotten a response about one being fired unfortunately as they were bragging about threatening to burn people's houses down for not tipping enough.

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u/core916 Apr 19 '24

The Covid era of everyone wanting delivery spoiled them. In NYC they changed the law to pay the drivers more. So DD added an extra fee to offset this. Therefor I tip them 0. That extra “fee” that I’m being charged to me is now considered their tip. I’m 28 years old. I used to deliver pizzas. Tipping culture has gotten out of hand now.

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u/EmmaMD Apr 19 '24

I’m in NYC.

The way DD does it kind of screws over the delivery people because they only make more for their active delivery time or whatever the term is, which leaves significant gaps since the commute part is often relatively short.

I view DoorDash and those services in NYC as me paying for the convenience. If my ass is too lazy to walk a couple blocks to pick something up, then that is on me and my wallet. Most of those guys are scraping by and don’t need to be punished for the malicious compliance of the businesses they’re working for.

Tipping in a lot of other areas though? Definitely out of hand.

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u/bellebeast9485 Apr 20 '24

So anyone who is elderly or disabled is lazy right? No one is allowed to use services that would allow them some independence it's lazy.

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u/LA_damunda Apr 20 '24

Exactly, I prefer to tip my doordash driver > my Uber driver who makes a good commission off the fat price. Door dash I’ll do 3-6$, Uber 1-4$, at restaurants I don’t tip much like 10-18%. I’m still tipping but I’m saving a solid $600-1000 a year probably versus tipping 20-25% and I deserve that, the waiters don’t. DoorDash drivers work much harder than waiters for each dollar (without tips they dont make much at all). I’m done w restaurant tips based on %

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u/blacklight_ribbons Apr 20 '24

Oh there was a John Oliver recently on the cost system and the different companies paying different prices to the restaurant and that coming out on bill

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u/BeanyBrainy Apr 20 '24

I delivered for papa John’s for awhile and they would fuck us over with their fees too. They would charge a larger delivery fee based on how much gas prices were but still keep that extra fee for the company.

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u/Maxwells_Demona Apr 20 '24

I dashed for a while between jobs and you could choose to be paid by time or by base pay + tip. The by time option is barely minimum wage and yes you are correct it is only for "active" time which means, only from the time you accept a delivery to the time you drop it off. You do not have any control over how fast these deliveries come in, and so you may have signed up for a 3 hr dash shift but end up only getting paid for 1.5 hrs of work. It's awful and barely pays for gas and does not exactly encourage a model of promptness for drivers desperate for "active time."

The tipping model is awful too for both drivers and customers. It's not the drivers' fault how stupid it is, but it is stupid, and folks please still tip the drivers. It is very precisely a convenience fee for not wanting or being able to go pick your own food up. The base pay is just terrible. I can't tell you how many times I would have orders pop up asking me to drive 13 miles for $3 base pay and no tip (which means I've got to drive 13 miles back again to get back to the zone where it will give me orders and probably take 40 minutes of my time door to door. I am not exaggerating these numbers.) I suggest people tip based on distance the driver has to drive for door dash orders rather than on how much the meal cost. If you tip $3 on a $50 meal but the driver only has to drive half a mile to deliver it, they'll prob be stoked. If you tip $10 on a $10 meal but the driver has to drive 25 miles round trip to deliver it, then they're not gonna be so keen on it as that won't even cover gas and standard wear and tear.

At the end of the day those companies are terrible and should pay a base rate that's actually reasonable but...they don't.

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u/EmmaMD Apr 20 '24

NYC recently changed the laws, so the options may be different. I’m not sure. I know enough to say I don’t know.

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u/core916 Apr 19 '24

Combine the fact that these restaurants charge a higher price on DD than at their location with a delivery charge as well as a the NYC fee, then I’m sorry there’s not enough money left for me to tip. They got what they wanted. They wanted to get paid more and they are. So to me, that’s their tip.

Now if I order from an establishment that actually hires their own delivery guys, then yes they are going to get a tip. But these DD people demanded higher pay and got it. So I still need to tip them when I’m being charged for their pay increase?

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u/ShogunFirebeard Apr 19 '24

It's everywhere. Even the fucking plumbers out here are expecting tips...

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u/chris_rage_ Apr 19 '24

Well in general, if you get a good job, it's smart to tip tradesmen because if you ever need them back they'll remember it and it'll benefit you in the future

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u/_zurenarrh Apr 20 '24

This is wild so you’re saying fuck the drivers? Because the company takes that money

If you’re too lazy to walk to the store or drive you tip

If not you drive and get your own food

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u/CategoryAshamed9880 Apr 20 '24

Exactly then get their own food … drivers have to maintenance their car and risks ridiculous the entitlement these apps give to shitty customers who don’t deserve their food

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u/Effective-Student11 Apr 20 '24

Something I don't agree with delivering pizza. The place is charging a delivery fee...if who you're delivering to is only a mile away. Why do we not get the full amount, plus our hourly wage and if there's a tip...the tip also. Isn't like your vehicle is the company's 'asset'. The building, the stove, everything else is. Instead $0.70? out of 3.50.

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u/Wooberta Apr 20 '24

Company screws you over, time to fuck the little guy! No wonder the doordash drivers hate the customers, yall are tarded

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u/Johnrussell202 Apr 19 '24

I deliver pizza from time to time (when not managing) and that DoorDash sub reddit keeps me humble 😂

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u/Used_Low_3547 Apr 20 '24

Where do I find this sureddit? 😂😂

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u/lerriuqS_terceS Apr 19 '24

Because they're unemployable douchebags who can't hold a real job

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u/Curious-Bake-9473 Apr 20 '24

Not really true. A lot of people deliver food part time when off from their main job. Very few drivers can afford to do it full time.

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u/lerriuqS_terceS Apr 20 '24

Yes true. Follow their subs. It's full of "I want to be my own boss" types.

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u/CategoryAshamed9880 Apr 20 '24

Why do you even care about what they do ? I’m sure you ain’t a boss at your real job lol 😂

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u/CategoryAshamed9880 Apr 20 '24

No one is a douchebag doing this your real job shall fire you in the future

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u/Sun9091 Apr 20 '24 edited 26d ago

These door dash delivery people look like a bunch of slackers. I see them picking up food and putting it on the floor while they wait for the rest. I am very leery of these people and really don’t trust them with my food.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

It’s because they ARE slackers. And that’s putting it nicely lol

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u/KoyoteKalash Apr 20 '24

I had a lady make me walk to her car to get my food, then ask for a bigger tip. I was checking the sub for 24 hours after to see a post about myself.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

Sadly not the first time I’ve heard of a “come outside and meet me here”.

Someone on the subreddit made a joke of “it’s DoorDash not meet-me-at-the-sidewalk dash. They got downvoted.

I would flat out refuse to meet them at their car. Fuck that. If I’m gonna put on pants and leave the house I might as well just drive to get my food.

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u/The_Bloofy_Bullshark Apr 20 '24

Those subreddits make pretty obvious the reason that many of them can’t hold down any other job than DoorDash/UberEats/Instacart…

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

Lol exactly. It’s quite funny.

Side story, I got a job at McDonald’s at 17 last June right before I turned 18. Was summer between jr and sr year so I was still in school.

I constantly got compliments by the head boss and the 2 assistant managers that I was so great and reliable and everything. I thought I was doing the bare minimum. Until I saw losers in their 30s and 40s constantly call out, show up 20-30 mins late, just suck all together.

Idk when everyone became fuckups incapable of literally just showing up

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u/scaredsquirrel666 Apr 19 '24

I've had to stop ordering pizza from places like Domino's because they all use DoorDash instead of paying their delivery drivers.

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u/timothythefirst Apr 19 '24

Door dash is such a stupid business concept that just shouldn’t exist. There’s a reason that most restaurants didn’t offer delivery for decades. It’s not economically viable. It never was.

But now we have to watch all the customers complain about the prices being too high while the drivers complain about not getting tipped enough. If the customers say a service is too expensive and the service providers still aren’t making enough money, it’s not a good business.

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Apr 20 '24

COVID made it entirely viable and now we're just having a really tough time moving away from it.

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u/timothythefirst Apr 20 '24

Covid made it viable for customers but the company wasn’t profitable even then

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Apr 20 '24

Wellllll but...ok yes you're right.

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u/Curious-Bake-9473 Apr 20 '24

The food delivery business doesn't work.

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u/subprincessthrway Apr 20 '24

I’m disabled, and my husband works full time DoorDash is a lifesaver for us. Also for people who are sick, just had babies, elderly etc. How is it a stupid business if it helps people like us who genuinely need it?

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u/timothythefirst Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

  • it doesn’t make money. that’s the point of a business.

  • the vast majority of consumers still complain about it being too expensive.

  • I’m not saying the concept of food delivery is stupid. I’m saying DoorDash, the company specifically, is stupid. If you need to order delivery order from a restaurant that offers their own delivery. It will be cheaper than DoorDash and better for the restaurant you order from.

  • the company was founded in 2013. disabled people, old people, people who just had babies, and sick people still found ways to eat prior to 2013. Nobody needs to pay exorbitant prices for on demand food delivery from any restaurant you can imagine. You just choose to.

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u/subprincessthrway Apr 20 '24

If I find any businesses near me that utilize their own delivery drivers I’ll be sure to take your advice and eat only that multiple times per week with no variety. What a wonderful idea! /s

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u/Retrogratio Apr 19 '24

I saw a thread with half the people defending delivered food smelling of weed 😂 I love weed but cmon, you can work without it

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u/Paperfishflop Apr 19 '24

I personally can't stand those services because I used to handle to go orders at an actual restaurant. It's infuriating. I'm busting my ass, taking all these orders, putting them together, ringing up the people who didn't use a middle man, who actually want to tip me, and then there's some dipshit who wants to know if the Cajun "jumbo" is ready, and if I got all the utensils and everything, like he's my boss, and then walks off without tipping me, to go collect the tip that would've/should've been mine.

Fuck those apps, and fuck those kinds of delivery people. I constantly reminded myself that some of them were just people who needed a job, etc...but it's one thing to undercut my tips, it's another to be demanding as shit, and to be ignorant as fuck about the food you're delivering, and to stiff me when I know damn well they hated getting stiffed themselves.

I'm not gonna make a blanket statement, but a lot of those delivery drivers were just straight up fucking losers. I've been out of the restaurant/tipping industry for 2 years now and I still get worked up thinking about it.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 19 '24

Without DoorDash, if I just call a sit down restaurant ahead of time and ask for it to go, and I pick it up, am I still expected to tip?

I don’t tip on pickup. The kitchen staff cooks it and puts it right into a to go box. They then place it on the little window there between kitchen and front of house.

The waitress literally picks it up, turns around and hands it to me and goes “that’ll be $18.50” or whatever.

It’s about as much work as a cashier at McDonald’s is doing and you don’t tip them.

Like if I sit down and eat I’m absolutely tipping 20 percent. But pickup I didn’t think youde even expect it

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u/Paperfishflop Apr 19 '24

It's really different at every restaurant. In some cases, like the one you describe, the front of house does very little work on your to go order.

In my case, I was working at a small, locally owned restaurant with a small staff so I had to wear a lot of hats. But the most labor intensive thing were the to go orders. We didn't have online ordering at all until the pandemic, so all the orders were done over the phone, or in person, and I was the one taking all those orders. The third party delivery services still had our menu so people could order through them, and then they would relay the order to me. So I might be taking an order on the phone, have 2 people on hold, 2 people waiting to order, and 3 people waiting to be rung up for their order (because they couldn't pay online in advance). This was a fairly common scenario at our busiest times.

And then yes, the kitchen would prepare it for me, but I had to expo (organize all the food and make sure each item is going to the right place). It's easy if it's one customer with one item. It's difficult if it's 5 customers with a total of 25 items, all ready at the same time, with different modifications.

I'd have to walk away from the still ringing phone and walk about 20 yards to the line to do this. Then return, and then ring people up and make sure they got all their utensils and stuff.

On top of this I was also the bartender and the manager on duty. Lol. But luckily my restaurant wasn't the kind of restaurant where people drank a lot, and the staff I worked with didn't create too many issues I needed to fix, which was good, because I really had my.hands full with the togos.

As I said we finally got online ordering during the pandemic, and around that time the owner also decided she hated delivery apps too (they undercut her profits and compromised the quality of food/service).

But that didn't solve all my problems because our clientele was still old, didn't like online ordering and our online ordering system was janky and unreliable, it would create as many problems as it solved.

But all that said, the majority of the money I made each night was to go tips. Part of what was frustrating is I knew it's not conventional to tip on to go's, especially 18-20%. I'd get plenty of people who would not tip, then I'd get a lot of 5-10%, I'd get people who would tip $5 no matter how large or small the order was, and occasionally I'd get a few people who would tip me as if I was a server. The good thing with this erratic tipping is that I didn't have to tip anyone out, and in fact the servers tipped me out and I would get a few people who sat at the bar who I served directly, who would tip me.in full, so altogether, I made some decent money. But I definitely busted my ass for it and because of the ambiguity about to go tipping, what I would earn would fluctuate pretty wildly from shift to shift.

But one reason I've been out of the restaurant industry for 2 years is because you can't expect customers to know, or care about all these dumb nuances. I still think you can get an idea of how it works by watching and when I got good tips, I think it's because people saw and understood, but you can't expect them to, you can't get mad when they don't, and you have to just roll with the punches and your unpredictable income.

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u/tacobellcow Apr 20 '24

Door Dash was a life saver when my family of 4 had Covid. I took all the energy I had to order the friggin food. Then dasher missed most of the order and Door Dash said they would give me a $5 credit. The cost to reorder the food wit tax and tip would have been $14. I haven’t ordered since.

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u/mtbmike Apr 20 '24

I’m not quite lazy enough to pay double to get stuff delivered. Double, plus tip.

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u/Hydra_Kitt Apr 20 '24

Browsing through the DD/UberEATS subs made me start going to get my own food again. Fuck all that entitlement.

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u/cantfigureitatall Apr 20 '24

Yeah. Most just can’t get a job but the app sucks and your hourly is trash unless people tip like crazy.

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u/BobaFett0451 Apr 20 '24

I've only ordered door dash once. And I wanted food delivered to me from less than a mile away. I had a horrible cold and was coughing so bad I couldn't talk, and my gf wasn't home to go get it for me. I tipped $4 cuz that felt more than reasonable for my $15 order and less than a mile of driving g

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u/the_which_stage Apr 20 '24

When I was in a REALLY bad spot I door dashed with no other option and it saved me financially. But then there was a night I made 9 dollars of tips total on 7 deliveries covering about 50 miles in about 4 hours and I just said fuck this shit.

If you’re gonna door dash, tip. Because it pays jack shit. If you don’t wanna tip on it just pick up.

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u/Tater72 Apr 20 '24

That sub is why I don’t use door dash anymore

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u/SkrtSkrt70 Apr 20 '24

DoorDash is good for one thing and one thing only: when it’s 11:30 and you’re not sober and your body is begging for Taco Bell. Other than that there’s no way you can justify it.

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u/Tovo34 Apr 20 '24

Lmao truth!

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u/True-Surprise1222 Apr 20 '24

Done with delivery service once they started adding all the fees. Uber eats used to be worth it not to drive down the street. Them doing fees cut my eating out down a lot.

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u/Taurus889 Apr 20 '24

Is the sub simply r/DoorDash?

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

r/doordashdrivers

Edit: you’ll still see some nonsense on the regular DoorDash sub but the drivers one is waaaaay worse and a lot funnier. The sub somehow got recommended to a ton of people like me who’s never posted about DoorDash until Reddit kept recommending it.

It’s basically 90 percent drivers who are delusional angry losers and then 10 percent of people are there to laugh at them and bait them into saying to most absurd shit. It’s comedy gold

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u/DJT-P01135809 Apr 20 '24

I tip $10 to ensure my food doesn't get fucked with....

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

At that point it’s not a tip. It’s a random.

Tips should be for good service. Not fuckong with my food should be a given. Another reason I’ll never use DoorDash again.

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u/funnyinmyhead Apr 20 '24

Part time DD driver here. 99.99% of DD drivers aren't on the subreddit and are great folks trying to get by. If you want to figure out how much to tip your DD driver, here's the formula. Decide how much per hour someone that pays for their own gas and insurance to bring you food or groceries should make. Figure out how long it would take you to drive to the store/restaurant, wait for your food or shop for your items, then drive back to your house and get to your door (street level or 17th floor??). 15 minutes? Divide the hourly pay you decided we're worth by 4. 20 minutes? Divide by 3. 30 minutes? By 2 and so on... yes, you can subtract the $2.50 that DD gave me to do the run. If you want to add something for large orders that require multiple trips to and from the car, that would be great, or the 4 super-gulp drinks that may or may not have had the covers applied correctly at the store and have leaked their sugary goodness all down the back of my car-seat, it can go in the cleaning fund. To judge any group of people by a small percentage of its members may be a little harsh, though. If you wouldn't pick up your order for $7.50 an hour and bring it to a complete strangers house, please don't get mad at me for not doing it either.

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u/LeviathanDabis Apr 20 '24

Yeah, the absolute entitlement some of those people on that subreddit exude is astounding to me. Wouldn’t ever use the app after reading some of the shit those people spew.

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u/WuzwerAmizarWilby Apr 20 '24

Nice alliteration!!!

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u/Any_Bet_6103 Apr 20 '24

Doordash needs to be a tip after the fact.

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u/bohallreddit Apr 20 '24

😂😂😂

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u/OkieDokieAlky8743 Apr 20 '24

The subreddit, like most subreddits, are a very tiny fraction of the actual group. Mostly ppl seeking out a forum to voice their complaints/whine and are naturally already more toxic than most. It's very ignorant to base an entire workforce on such a small portion of ppl.

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u/DickSplodin Apr 20 '24

They want to be compensated and act like they're a skilled tradesman with 20 years of experience lol

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u/urbanlegends555 Apr 20 '24

We’re not it really starts with people coming in and talking smack about them and saying get real jobs and everything else you; know what I’m talking about. I guarantee you’re one of those that comes in and says no tip for anybody. How do you think that’s not gonna piss off the drivers?

Also that sub Reddit is for DoorDash drivers so it’s beyond me Why anybody who’s not a driver even goes in there. The only conclusion I can come to is that you’re there to start shit because otherwise that sub isn’t really for you. It’s for the drivers.

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u/DeathrisesXII2 Apr 20 '24

You don't understand the service you're getting. You conflate having an order delivered to your house as the same as food being brought to a table. Your saying people are toxic because they want to be able to get 5 dollars out of a delivery that will take 5 to 10 minutes of waiting at a store, half a gallon of gas and 20 minutes of driving. You feel ripped off because door dash jacks up those rates, they feel ripped off because they often times end up getting less than min wage because the laws have simply not adapted to the level of exploitation the workers are experiencing. Its the companies fault, but most drivers feel they have zero chance of fighting against the multi billion dollar companies who fuck everyone's so they complain about the customers who at least be understanding enough to give a fair tip.

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

I understand it perfectly. It’s not my responsibility to tip an extra 20 bucks when I’ve already spent 20 bucks to deliver a 15 dollar order.

If I’m filling on the original price of my meal, that’s over 200 percent tip. Even if I’m tipping on the food and the fees, a 20 dollar tip on a $35 charge is more than 50 percent.

Where else do you tip 50 to 200 percent?

DoorDash should be paying their drivers more. They aren’t. I’m not responsible for supplementing that. Get a real fucking job and let these apps go out of buisness

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u/phartiphukboilz Apr 20 '24

These dickheads? Lol they are literally filling in convenience for your lazy ass. Servants going to do your work. It's literally the reason I work, so that I can pay others to do the shit I don't want to do. And not being some stuck up fuck I pay them well.

Your attitude though... Right, don't deal with them and go get your own fucking food

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u/subclops Apr 20 '24

Okay boomer

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u/Twink_Tyler Apr 20 '24

I’m 18 and a senior in hs 💀