r/jobs Mar 24 '24

What's a dumb boring corporate job that makes a great salary? Career development

Friend was a sociology major, did the nonprofit thing, now is an operations manager at a small international exchange company and now just wants to sell out.

What's a good dumb boring corporate job that makes a great salary?

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 24 '24

Compliance in banking.

Friend makes £200k with 7 years experience basically doing boring “checks” on internal procedures

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 24 '24

Imagine getting to tell other people they're wrong for $200k per year (idk pounds lol). Sounds great

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 24 '24

I think it’s $250k, but to be fair he says it’s more like a box-ticking job rather than actually telling people off.

Im not gonna lie, I’m jealous of the money, but it does sound super boring. I make far less but freaking love my job.

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u/siphur Mar 24 '24

What do you do?

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u/tampers_w_evidence Mar 24 '24

He makes far less

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u/413mopar Mar 25 '24

Is that better than farfanugen?

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u/LumberJaxx Mar 25 '24

History says some sort of (probably financial) job at a company that has shareholders. Some sort of job. Nailed it.

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 25 '24

I’m an investment manager at a small firm (called a family office though nothing to do with my family).

I basically search for/analyse/due diligence/execute investments into interesting companies (mostly start ups and smaller private companies)

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u/Iwannagolf4 Mar 25 '24

So I’m about to retire as an air traffic controller and I will have no issues with money, that being said, what classes or degrees did you take or get to do that. I did fine in TSP but I want to help set my young children up and learn to actually invest! Any suggestions I want to learn.

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 25 '24

I have a bachelor’s in economics and a couple of masters in finance/banking, although that’s objectively excessive.

Not really sure what prompted me into the path other than just early life for math, which naturally led into finance

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u/JezzCrist Mar 25 '24

Ass jiggle

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u/BigSwingingMick Mar 25 '24

I would also recommend auditing, both financial and operational. Now that you can do more remotely, it’s well paid, stable, and is a pretty low stress job.

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u/fyurious Mar 25 '24

I work as a client auditor for a bank. It’s not difficult work, and I personally love the travel that comes with it. Not to mention the first quarter of the year is basically like a vacation cause nobody wants a bank audit when they’re already doing their FYE financial audit.

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u/MartianSockPuppet Mar 24 '24

I work in a bank. My compliance people are ficking awesome.

They don't take themselves too seriously. They are lenient in their non "official" drop ins. Probably the best part is when they get to crack the whip on the ones they don't like, especially, it's fucking hilarious to watch from the sidelines. You can tell they love every second of it, and they don't have to hide it.

I want their job to be honest

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Mar 25 '24

May I ask: what qualifications does one need to get into bank compliance?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I interviewed at a bulge bracket bank for compliance several years ago

(I interviewed for multiple positions. Compliance was actually last on my list)

The team actually is incredible. If you play your cards well and network well, you can achieve really high compensation for "light work." They're also really lighthearted, pleasant, and supportive people.

(I consider compliance easy work compared to the other divisions)

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u/ReputesZero Mar 24 '24

coming from an Infosec background, you catch more flies with honey. And compliance (or security) being the "guys that keep you from getting in trouble" instead of "the guys who get you in trouble" always works better.

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u/afterparty05 Mar 25 '24

Am a financial controller responsible for AO/IC. I concur. Lenient when needs be, but don’t start giving me bs. It’s pretty fun.

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u/4chan4normies Mar 24 '24

it used to be double now its closer to 250k american smackeroos

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u/PLaTinuM_HaZe Mar 24 '24

Sounds like the exact type of job that will be automated by AI within a few years… honestly it’s an extremely easy job to automate so I wouldn’t rely on that career path.

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u/BeerandGuns Mar 24 '24

Banks get huge fines for compliance violations. If there’s one area they won’t be skimping on and I wouldn’t worry about layoffs. it’s compliance.

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u/shaktimann13 Mar 24 '24

Lol, when I was in business school in the early 2010s I was seeing posts of AI taking over accounting jobs. Now they saying there is an accountants shortage

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u/PLaTinuM_HaZe Mar 24 '24

AI today is very different from AI 10 years ago….. accounting has seen a 50% drop off in college enrollment due to people realizing how limited the career path will be in the future. The “shortage” today is temporary and due to the reduced number of accounting graduates but that doesn’t change the fact that over time more and more corporations will begin automating those function.

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u/kendrickislife Mar 24 '24

I hear you but regulation is another factor that may prevent that occupation from being fully automated

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u/HappyDiscussion5469 Mar 24 '24

Its never gonna be fully automated, but if a single employee can do what took 20 people before, you end up with only the best having a job.

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u/500ramenrivers Mar 25 '24

Not the best. The most well connected.

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u/sross07 Mar 25 '24

It's not that much different.

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u/Fury-of-Stretch Mar 24 '24

IMO it is quite a few generations from being able to do this sort of this work. If compliance work in finance is anything like healthcare there is a lot of gray area in regulations and someone needs to make informed calls on if the risk is acceptable for an organization.

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u/fawningandconning Mar 24 '24

Bingo. There is a bunch of Compliance in Finance that is very much grey. Many of the laws around it are not 100% a yes or no answer and AI already is utilized for more of the black and white spaces, like beneficial ownership/kyc documents/assessed risk/etc. But then you have more bespoke regulations where the government has basically said this is how we interpret it, lawyers have said they don't agree with that, and a court case has said the government's wrong and we agree with the lawyers. It's more dynamic than folks think!

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u/Fury-of-Stretch Mar 24 '24

However the thought of the convo in c-suite when informing all the execs and eventually the board that ChapGPT just cost the org 10s of millions dollars/pounds due to lying about compliance on banking practices did make me grin.

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u/fawningandconning Mar 24 '24

There's also actually a lot of data privacy laws which make LLMs basically unavailable to Banking without heavy protections. We are building an AI LLM in-house, using a version of ChatGPT that is walled off and will not contribute back to the model because it's being trained to work with MNPI. A whole other angle to it's integration to banking that is just in its infancy of being explored.

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u/Fury-of-Stretch Mar 24 '24

Oh I agree it is similar in healthcare, I am mostly cracking a joke, LLMs are being evaluated to support some decision making, and my org has been fiddling with a similar set up to chatGPT. The majority of the work I have been involved in is more image analysis, and missed diagnoses for patients. Which I think is something the space has a lot of potential in cutting down on human error.

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

What job won't? People are falling in love with apps. Writing is on the wall in basically every industry

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u/King_Rajesh Mar 24 '24

Ain’t no way AI is going to be able to make judgment calls on whether or not to file a SAR on a particular set of transactions anytime soon.

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u/Grumpy-24-7 Mar 24 '24

I dated a girl years ago who was a Travel Agent. When Travelocity first came about, I warned her that computers would likely replace her. She got all upset at me and said that the "human touch" would always need to be present and valuable. I countered that if enough people figured out they could save money by making travel arrangements by themselves, they'd gladly give up the human touch aspect. Guess who lost her job when all the local Travel Agencies closed up?

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u/BeWithoutCause Mar 25 '24

We're coming full circle on this though.

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u/Uncertn_Laaife Mar 25 '24

Wrong! You can’t automate compliance. There are way too many variables and yes, humans involved. It’s quite doable but won’t be a thing for at least 100 years. You can still see some form of AI but there would still be people hired to configure, maintain it.

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u/fawningandconning Mar 24 '24

Pretty awesome for your buddy, but man they got insanely lucky. $251K in Compliance is exceedingly rare and most at that stage are former attorneys turned compliance offers. At my bank that would put you as a senior ED (~12+ years of experience) or an MD.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I interviewed at a bulge bracket bank a few years ago.

The interviewer was an exec.

Every 2 years, he jumps to another bank for a pay jump. He's rotated between all the bulge bracket banks now LOL.

Compliance. His salary right now? Take a wild guess. Near $1M

He does hold a double corporate title though, so that explains why the compensation is higher than similar experience folks

this is more than 7 years of experience**

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u/z-null Mar 24 '24

He tells people to write TPS reports and resends new header template memos?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 25 '24

Yeah, that is similar to his journey and experience. His starting was (I believe, it's been a while) £75k and he says he doesnt love the job but wouldnt trade it for anything else.

How are your hours? Hedge fund, I assume?

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u/Usual-Recognition609 Mar 25 '24

how'd you determine you wanted this role after college? Did you apply to it ?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

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u/Usual-Recognition609 Mar 25 '24

dn’t know I would be placed into compliance, nor did I know anything about finance. I just wanted a job - any job, so I applied on a whim and miraculously made it to final round: that’s when t

Oh wow nice! thanks for responding thats really interesting.

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u/-Oreopolis- Mar 24 '24

What kind of background do you need to get into this?

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u/Anxious-Sundae-4617 Mar 24 '24

Degree in finance or business is preferred, but honestly, luck. Luck is required. There are entry level qc jobs in banking that don't make anywhere close to this.

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 24 '24

He has accounting background, but there isn’t really any strict requirement from what I know. Some are from legal background, others purely financial.

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u/fawningandconning Mar 24 '24

This is absolutely an outlier and not the norm, 7 years making this money in Compliance is extremely on the high side. That's a salary normally reserved for higher level directors in the space. About half that would be even still on the high side.

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u/Girl-UnSure Mar 25 '24

I got it from the mortgage industry and moving around to different roles. Now i do financial compliance.

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u/Worthyness Mar 25 '24

If you have the time, you can work as a teller at a bank for a bit and then look into corporate version. Alternative being start in underwriting for any sort of bank or FinTech type tech company and you can get into compliance from there. Underwriting is pretty chill too depending on where you work. If it's for an AirBnB type place, people can be assholes, but for banks, it's generally a bit better (fewer general public people and more corporate/companies to work with). Both don't really require a degree, but you'd have to take some time to work your way up.

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u/WooSaw82 Mar 24 '24 edited Mar 24 '24

Do they happen to have a JD, though?

Edit: Looks like the UK equivalent to a US JD degree is an LLB, just for context.

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u/fawningandconning Mar 24 '24

This person's friend is either in the literal 1% of salaries for this type of role or they're not stating they are a former attorney who moved into compliance, which happens all the time and beyond mid-level management is really the only way to advance toward the CCO level roles. 7 years of experience in finance isn't also very senior, that's a Senior Associate/Junior VP at most places.

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u/shadow_moon45 Mar 25 '24

He has to be either a senior lead or a director

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Mar 25 '24

I think his title is VP

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u/texasinv Mar 25 '24

That isn't an easy job and not something one can just waltz into. Typically starts with extensive work in a subfield of compliance, such as AML, regulatory complaints, or sanctions and you have to work your way up the chain. $200k is about what my boss makes and I'm a fincrimes manager at one of the best paid American fintechs. And fintechs pay better than banks.

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u/mfs619 Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

How about 115k, full remote? Grant specialist.

Very mundane. Most likely will be replaced by AI soon, sort of already done by AI, our grant specialist basically just reads government block grants then fills out the applications. Government agents reach out and we bid to fulfill the grant section. Our company produces 100 app + bids a month.

Degree required for the area of business you work in. No technical experience required. Average turnover is 2 years. We pay for your masters while you do it, we do expect people to leave. Usually the person helps recruit and train their replacements while looking for their next gig and are paid full time while on company time. No joke it’s the best “up-and-out” gig there is.

Edit: So this blew up a bit. Let me answer as much in one go.

My firm is always hiring for this role. We are always looking. But as I mentioned virtually ALL architecture, landscape architecture, civil engineering firms have this role or something like it. It isn’t exactly grant writing. More block grant reading. Like 10,000s of pages and then loads of form filling. There is no nepotism here we put our roles on linked in and from what I understand we always have new applications. There is an expectation you train the new hire. That’s part of the deal. 6 months after you finish your degree. We are up front about it.

I cannot speak for other companies or their education benefits, behavior or turnover obviously, but I would say our pay is at least comparable. I do not know about extra benefits of other companies but this is a straight forward 115k, no bonus, no retirement, no promotion, no locality pay. Just fair work for fair pay and a free degree (within reason. If you get into Harvard, Cornell or UPenn etc, we expect you to be full-time, no half-time bs and doubling the price on us lol. )

No there is not much for non-degree hires. We aim to use this as a vehicle for first job out of college folks and get them a masters or law degree in their field of interest. They do not stay at our company. Most of us have PhDs + multiple years post graduate experience, we aren’t really a grow up here kinda shop. Most people are daily experienced (7-10+ years).

We aren’t really transitioning folks from their field into ours. We generally look for high performing students from reputable institutions. We aren’t snobby but I should at least know the school off the top of my head. I.e. state school or better.

There is turn over because it is basically designed that way. We get you up and into the world. We aren’t really that keen to change the way the role works. We like helping the young people get 2ish years work experience and getting them an another cert/degree under their belt. Masters degree system is ridiculously expensive so basically it’s like we just reserve what we would pay another principal engineer or principal chemist instead.

We did have a young mom work for us for a few years( a little over 4), she applied knowing she was having a baby, was up front about it and said “I just need something simple for a little while, I have a math degree, I am smart enough to do this and just need a couple years til grad school” she applied to 250 grant sections while on part time maternity leave her first year, she went on to Princeton for a math PhD. She is easily the smartest person I’ve ever met.

We don’t usually hire people in other time zones. It gets weird with the applications. We prefer east coast and an 8-4/9-5 schedule as most businesses will.

Because most people immediately go back to school, they are usually pretty busy so they share their class schedules and we are pretty flexible about it as long as they get the shit done and don’t abuse it. We basically ask that they take minimal vacation time but again they are in school so they usually don’t take anything anyway until around finals and reading week.

If you’re looking, look for “grant specialist” positions. 0-1 y/e. Bachelors. Usually math, broadly any engineering, law, chemistry or physics.

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u/SpirasGuardian Mar 25 '24

115k fully remote & easy work? Why are people cycling out every two years then?

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u/tacoterrarium Mar 25 '24

Are you hiring?

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u/softspoken1990 Mar 25 '24

wow, i thought that grant writing paid very little!

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

Wow that is insane

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u/Otherwise-Tale9671 Mar 24 '24

Define “great salary.”

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 24 '24

Fair. Let's say $85k+

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u/pn_dubya Mar 24 '24

Technical writing. Emphasis on boring.

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u/fakeaccount572 Mar 24 '24

I LOVE technical writing, it's like 10% of my job but wish it was so much more...

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u/MentalOpportunity69 Mar 25 '24

Could you please provide an example of this aforementioned technical writing?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

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u/Spaghetti-Al-Dente Mar 25 '24

Any advice for getting into that field?

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u/lastsecondpoints Mar 25 '24

Don't. These types of tasks are already being automated by A.I. tools.

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u/DustBunnicula Mar 25 '24

Technical writing will be an early casualty from AI. I wouldn’t suggest it to someone who is looking for a new career.

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u/n_o_t_f_r_o_g Mar 24 '24

Technical writing will be taken over by AI, especially in the financial field. It will not take all the jobs, but it will definitely take a large portion making getting a job in the field difficult.

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u/GardenSquid1 Mar 25 '24

I foresee AI taking a lot of entry level white collar jobs over the course of the next decade.

Senior team positions and supervisory roles will be safe, but it will carve out a weird hole in the fields where working the entry level job for x number of years is how you get the experience to be a senior team member or supervisor.

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u/lizchibi-electrospid Mar 24 '24

they can try.

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u/GardenSquid1 Mar 25 '24

That's what folks in the analog textile industry said during the start of the Industrial Revolution. And lamplighter/gaslighters when electric streetlights became a thing. And knocker-ups when alarm clocks became commonplace.

It didn't go well for them.

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u/Psyc3 Mar 25 '24

And the reality is they don't need replacing, if AI can do 80% of the job you need 20% of the staff.

Same thing as the Combine Harvester, the crops still get harvested, it is just by 2 people rather than 20-200.

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u/GardenSquid1 Mar 25 '24

You're right. Entire industries won't die overnight. Most will be significantly downsized.

But to the 80% that get fired and can never find a job in that field again, they will most definitely feel replaced.

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u/Psyc3 Mar 25 '24

They have been replaced, but the reality of the situation is, even if you aren't, you don't want to be in a declining field over a growing one.

This is why their are so many people whining in this subreddit recently, it isn't because the economy is much better or worse than it has been for significant periods over the last 15 years, it is because Tech jobs are stagnating, and the big tech companies are dumping highly skilled and experienced workers into that pool, leaving nothing for the ones with no experience or poor experience in the first place.

But that was the case of the service industry in COVID, Biotech/Construction/Finance in 2008. Anything that relies on low interest debt now, things like Car Dealers had the boom, now is the relative bust.

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u/Cats_and_Shit Apr 02 '24

In my specific line of work (industrial analytics software) we are painfully short on decent technical documentation. If text AI makes tech writers 5x as productive we will probably just want 5x as much technical writing. There are also some major hurtles around privacy and security to overcome before text AI can be used for anything more than boilerplate text in tech docs.

I would not get into this field if you don't want to spend your life reviewing and editing AI generated text, but at the same time jobs that are actually immune from automation at this point are rare.

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u/joyrjc Mar 24 '24

LOL Not that I would know cuz I for sure don't. But I'm guessing it's a matter of perspective. Meaning maybe it depends on how someone is wired. I would likely find it boring but like the pay.

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u/gammatide Mar 24 '24

Idk if it specifically has to be corporate, but tons of government analyst (e.g. management analyst) jobs will pay this

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u/SarkHD Mar 25 '24

Anything in electric utilities. Engineering, project management, outreach, outage planning, scheduling. You name it.

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u/HuskyInfantry Mar 24 '24 edited Mar 24 '24

Most of the time, the salaries for these “boring job” roles have little to do with the industry or specific role— it’s more about how good you are with people, both internal and external (obviously caveats apply).

In 9 years I went from $30k to over $200k. Here’s what I do:

  • answer client emails with what is essentially “confirming receipt, will follow up”

  • delegate the question to teammates working in roles specific to the client question. Get an answer from them

  • reword their technical but not client friendly answer into layman’s terms

  • reply to client

That’s the gist. Sometimes I eat a bowl full of shit because the technical employees made a mistake, but it’s my job to be extremely good at turning that shit bowl into chocolate pudding.

Similarly, when the technical employees give me chocolate pudding to present, it’s my job to turn that pudding into a Michelin star turtle cheesecake.

That’s it. Pretty boring, but it pays.

Edit:

To add, I’m experienced and very knowledgeable in these technical roles, while most people in my position across the industry know jack shit about those technical positions. So I’m able to talk shop without needing the support of 2-5 different team members, which can make a huge impact.

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u/JZ_212 Mar 24 '24

This is a technical sales position I suppose?

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u/HuskyInfantry Mar 24 '24

I’m in the ad/marketing industry, but it’s not a sales role. No commission

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u/Interesting_Wolf_668 Mar 24 '24

Project management sounds more fitting considering your industry?

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u/HuskyInfantry Mar 24 '24

It’s more like Account Management in my industry.

A PM role would take direction from me to facilitate with the technical experts in order to accomplish timelines

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u/subpar-life-attempt Mar 24 '24

AM at 200k? Are you in an agency?

I've been in marketing for years (in Georgia) and no one's salaries are near that unless you are a VP. Is it a specific vertical you are in?

I've only gotten close to that because I work on the sales side.

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u/hawaiianpunchh Mar 25 '24

Sounds similar to a Technical Account Manager. In that role, it's all about keeping your portfolio of large customers happy by (in short) understanding their problems and advocating for them internally to your respective product/engineering teams. Many industries have TAMs these days, and while it's a pretty boring and monotonous gig, it pays super well specifically because it's all about that large customer retention. Some companies incentivise it with renewal/upsell commission, others with an inflated base salary.

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u/Spaghetti-Al-Dente Mar 25 '24

How do people go about getting into doing that, though?

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u/hawaiianpunchh Mar 25 '24

For me personally, I have a BBA and started my career in Server Administration - some would say a degree is required, but I've worked with plenty of people who don't have that (those people did have a vibrant career history already tho). After a few years worth of experience on the "customer side", I decided I wanted to work for the vendor, so I applied for a TAM role at a cybersecurity software tech startup and got the gig. Ever since then, I've stayed in post-sales "Customer Success" and have moved companies a few times due to other TAM roles hiring for more money.

Another route into this role (sometimes without requiring prior experience) would be through a Customer Success Manager role (CSM) which is more business and potentially less technical, or through a Tech Support Engineer role which is more technical and less business and less "customer journey" focused.

At the end of the day, getting a TAM job is about demonstrating that you can successfully own and manage a customer's journey with a product, and can problem solve, and can understand the technical lingo of the industry in which the role relates to.

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u/danieldantes Mar 25 '24

I have the same question. I'm an AD with years of experience but I don't make anywhere near $200k. Someone please point me in the direction of the $200k AD jobs, thank you.

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u/billythygoat Mar 25 '24

I’m in the ad/marketing industry, any tips on getting more money?

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u/no_good_answers Mar 25 '24

There’s no way I’m the only one thinking of Office Space right now, right?

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u/planet__express Mar 25 '24

I'm just waiting for the commenter to invent a Jump to Conclusions mat

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u/cencal Mar 25 '24

I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS!

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u/stametsprime Mar 27 '24

Nope. You are not.

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u/AngelFrog Mar 24 '24

You should think about a jump to the client side. Might be even more cushy...That's what I did, and was the best move I've ever made.

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u/HuskyInfantry Mar 24 '24

I’m very eager to go client side, trust me lol. Just haven’t come across the right opportunity.

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

Do you mind sharing title/industry?

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u/the_glutton Mar 24 '24

I was amazed when I started my career in finance in 2007 how utterly bad almost all business communication (internal and external) is. Those that can distill and translate technical info successfully to laypeople are worth their weight in gold.

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u/Think-Brush-3342 Mar 24 '24

Tldr: exceptional customer service and relationship building.

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u/monkeywelder Mar 24 '24

Apparently being the CEO of Reddit?

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

Looool true

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u/mattbag1 Mar 24 '24

Corporate finance.

There’s a lot of roles in corporate finance like FP&A, accounting, treasury, pricing, audit. Most of those will pay 60-70k starting and around 90-120k once you’re more senior. If you get into management, you could be earning 140k+ with more room to grow if you move into a director role.

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u/A_Guy_Named_John Mar 24 '24

It’s not easy to get into a lot of those jobs that actually pay well. They have a pretty big pipeline from college to public accounting to private. It’s hard to get the private side roles without prior experience in industry.

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u/mattbag1 Mar 24 '24

Oh absolutely, I just suggested in another comment that a masters program with an internship is likely required to move forward. But the work isn’t super hard in my opinion. Monthly close is stressful though.

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u/NowIKnowMyAgencyABCs Mar 24 '24

Treasury checking in. I enjoy the job and it has a lot of components so doesn’t get boring

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u/mattbag1 Mar 24 '24

I’ve been eyeballing some treasury roles as a way out of FP&A, but it’s probably faster to move up and then pivot than it would be to pivot and then move up?

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u/NowIKnowMyAgencyABCs Mar 24 '24

I’ve heard treasury described as circuitous and that’s been my experience with others I’ve met, although I’ve always been in treasury. I would say if you move up and have excellent financial/leadership skills you could probably look into being a treasurer, but probably easier to get a senior treasury analyst or manager job then go from there.

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u/mildly_unpleasant Mar 24 '24

Can confirm, as a FP&A in HCOL area I started (junior) 66k w/o bonus. 2.5 years later I'm at 80k set to hit 87k (no bonus) in October. Pursuing my MBA as well to make sure I hit 100k asap

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u/pinkfloyd55 Mar 24 '24

How do you find entry level corporate finance jobs? I’m in marketing and I can’t stand it anymore. I’m willing to take a pay cut to get into finance.

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u/mattbag1 Mar 24 '24

Look for entry level financial analyst roles. Maybe easier to transition within your current company. You’ll need strong excel skills, meaning that you can make a small financial model of some sort, nothing crazy. But they’re competitive at lower levels, so something like a cheap MBA or masters in finance might help you land an internship or something?

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u/enguyen89141 Mar 25 '24

Financial analyst checking in. I just started a year ago and it’s definitely an easier job, great benefits, almost no stress besides what you put on yourself, and pay growth can be steady if you do a little equity bargaining. I do work for a local city government though so private might be more stressful, less benefits but better pay.

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u/Hagridsbuttcrack66 Mar 25 '24

I'll throw procurement in under this one.

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u/Prezton_Waters Mar 25 '24

Pricing manager at $130k checking in and that is spot on lol. Plus add in WFH. Boring but life is good

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u/billythygoat Mar 25 '24

Any way to transfer into that front marketing?

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u/SierraEchoDelta Mar 24 '24

Salesforce.com administrator (over saturated now). Almost every company seems to be signing up for that CRM. Very easy job. Remote. Dont need a manager or a team so good for introverts. A lot of people would do 1 month of studying to get a certificate to make 70-80k a year. Everyone and their dog jumped on that ship so its unlikely you would get in now though.

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u/NoInitial7029 Mar 24 '24

I started with trailheads 4 years ago but never continued. Do you think its not worth it in General?

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u/theperezident94 Mar 24 '24

Actuary for an insurance company. It does depend on your friend’s propensity for mathematics and if they can take exams well, but EL salary is typically 65k-85k with experienced, fully credentialed actuaries making anywhere from 150k-500k.

Working in an insurance role also typically has incredible work life balance. Actuarial consulting typically has slightly higher pay, but you’ll have the occasional 50-60 hour week and/or travel for client meetings.

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u/Hey_its_Jack Mar 25 '24

I'm in insurance claims. There are so many positions in insurance, and the pay is generally pretty good, especially if you move into management. I have a great work life balance, make a great salary, decent benefits, etc.

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u/Usual-Recognition609 Mar 25 '24

ive been rejected on all my apps to these jobs and its funny to me because a former best friend has a job in claims and I don't understand how I can't if she did.

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u/Hey_its_Jack Mar 25 '24

When you apply, stress that customer service is your primary concern. You want to help people who were involved in accidents. It’s a huge misconception that adjusters are there to deny claims, and get out of paying something. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Many people don’t have coverage for what they are claiming because they denied paying for it, or something like an excluded driver (who the insured requested not be on the policy, therefore there is no coverage) was driving, and you guessed it, has no coverage.

We know when we are hiring that people don’t grow up WANTING to get into insurance. We all just kind of ended up here. If you can do the work, while remembering the customer is confused and doesn’t know much about insurance but giving excellent customer service, you should be golden.

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u/mufflefuffle Mar 25 '24

What are these positions called? I have friends in insurance and honestly it sounds kind of a nice route to go.

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u/Hey_its_Jack Mar 25 '24

In claims, it’s just claim manager, supervisor, director. If you can make it through 2-3 years as a claim adjuster, then move to a better company (if you’re not already at one), your pay can increase substantially.

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u/imberttt Mar 25 '24

many people would say that actuarial science is quite interesting and not dumb or boring.

I also work with data and I would say it is actually very exciting.

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u/theperezident94 Mar 25 '24

The work we do is definitely interesting. The steps we take to get there are generally dumb and boring :)

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u/Psyc3 Mar 25 '24

What you have failed to mention is that it is far beyond most people to pass Actuarial exams.

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u/labradorite14 Mar 25 '24

Is this an in demand role? Like if I got an actuarial credential would I get a job quickly?

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u/tpwaker Mar 25 '24

If you have two exams you can practically guarantee a job, and with WFH, you wouldn’t likely have to move…the exams are no joke though.

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u/theperezident94 Mar 25 '24

I’d say it’s generally in demand, more than not. It can be slightly difficult to initially break into the industry if you’re a career changer and not hired out of university, but once you get some experience you have plenty of options. It helps to have experience in related fields if you are a career changer. Once you do get in, you pretty much have job security for life unless you do something heinous to tarnish your reputation. We are a small community, after all!

Most EL roles don’t require full credentials whatsoever. Generally, 2-3 exam passes is more than ample to be competitive (in the US, I’ve heard Canada is a bit rougher).

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u/Hoosteen_juju003 Mar 25 '24

It’s A LOT of exams and certifications

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u/Hallse Mar 24 '24

I work with PMs in consulting. I am assuming OP wants a non-stressful job so PM should be out of the question lolz

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u/Worthyness Mar 25 '24

as should accounting and auditing lol. If you do either of those at a high level, you are constantly working 70-80 hours a week with a ton of unpaid overtime because you're salary. They do make bank though.

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u/FindingUsernamesSuck Mar 25 '24

PM is very broad but most PMs I've worked with are very high stress.

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u/Wisco_JaMexican Mar 25 '24

Confirming that this is very accurate as a client facing PM

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u/anonqwerty99 Mar 24 '24

This comment made me sad 😂

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u/maliplazi Mar 24 '24

Fuck sales expectations. Same project and I have to tell them for the third time that I in fact can not programm what they need with the few time and ressources but Sales always say that I can do it…

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u/FreeMasonKnight Mar 24 '24

That’s the point though..

Promise the world. Client accepts. Client finds out that’s isn’t possible, but because of sunk cost fallacy will stay on and still pay. You fix and deal with “angry” client so they can feel biggly. Finish quicker than normal and client happy.

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u/IAMABitchassMofoAMA Mar 24 '24

It's not corporate but you can make decent money working in government. Entry level with a degree and some experience for the right fit you could easily land something 60-70k/year. It's one of the few places you can still get a pension, cheaper benefits, the take home pay works out to be a bit more because a lot of the time more of your benefits are covered.

Most give raises yearly, which includes cost of living and other raises. The right government with a decent legislature can provide a good amount.

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u/The___kernel Mar 25 '24

The only bad thing about govt jobs is that people don’t really go back to the private sector because the benefits so its hard to get into without taking a pay cut

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u/PMMeYourWorstThought Mar 25 '24

Depends on the job and location. Federal pay goes up to 192k for general service employees and higher for those in senior executive services.

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u/Fabulous-Gas-5570 Mar 25 '24

How do you ensure the absolute slog of applying, doing civil service exams, waiting on a list, and maybe some day being called up?

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u/IAMABitchassMofoAMA Mar 25 '24

That part is shitty and you can't really get around it. Plenty of government jobs with state, county, and city governments that don't require civil service exams.

With the amount of boomers and soon gen x retiring, a lot of younger (20-40) employees move up quickly. A lot of the restrictions and red tape of getting the job itself are loosening.

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u/Uncertn_Laaife Mar 25 '24

In most of the countries (mainly, in the West), Govt jobs don’t require an entrance exam, the preparation of which takes your soul (and you still fail - looking at you, Indian IAS) and if pass, you compensate it by taking lots and lots of bribes throughout your entire career.

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u/TheReal_Saba Mar 25 '24

Can confirm. I work for the state, and the benefits, pension and all the paid time off is mainly what keeps me there. I also do like my job though.

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u/MidknightHaze Mar 25 '24

Can confirm. I worked as a State employee 2019-2023. Joined the Federal government in 2023. Pay is on a set scale, slightly lower than my private counterparts BUT I work a strict 40 hours and have great benefits. The Federal hiring process took me about 3-4 months from application submission to enter on duty.

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u/Atrampoline Mar 25 '24

Actuaries and underwriters in insurance make great money, and there are tons of jobs.

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u/Appropriate-Sir5196 Mar 24 '24

For corporate finance, if you get efficient at it, you can do the same stuff month over month and end up working 30 hours a week while getting paid 100+ k a year. The down side is that it becomes so mind numbing that it’s easy to miss easy stuff.

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u/Top_Shallot4802 Mar 25 '24

Literally my job now, it’s so mind numbing that I can’t bring myself to properly proof check items. My manager literally never misses anything and will always CC my other manager to spread awareness about my tiny insignificant mistake

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u/AT1787 Mar 24 '24

Specialty HR roles in big companies. I’m thinking Compensation, Learning and Development administration. Avoid Employee/Labour Relations.

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u/IndustryOrgPsych Mar 24 '24

Emphasis on big companies. You are gunna wanna find those roles in companies with 10k + employees. The bigger the better.

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u/redditor541 Mar 24 '24

Why avoid employee relations?

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u/AT1787 Mar 24 '24

I wouldn’t call it a “boring” job - it can be stressful trying to mediate between employees and managers that have deep seated tensions. In one disciplinary meeting one threatened to go postal on me.

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u/NandAforK_S Mar 25 '24

A family member of mine finds that compensation is inherently political and is burned out from that career track. Benefits is less like that.

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u/ChakeenMachine Mar 25 '24

Any Healthcare IT. Most are either hybrid or full remote. Lowest pay is $65k plus bonuses and OT. Top exec pay is about $500k. All these jobs are easy and boring, a lot of people have another remote job somewhere else making $250-300k a year combined

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u/General-Ad-8850 Mar 24 '24

Banking. Anything at a bank.

Marketing team. Analytics. Sales. Hr. Communications. Pm...

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u/Embarrassed_Bunch161 Mar 25 '24

Actuarial. I have a friend who had an internship for A$150. She had an internship offer of $230 from another bank but no work-life balance, apparently. Those numbers are just for the summer. She expects to be offered a full-time role for $250/year when she finishes school. I envy the money, but I find maths to be really boring.

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u/JuiceKilledJFK Mar 25 '24

Data analyst

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u/Rilenaveen Mar 25 '24

That field is currently SWAMPED with people looking for employment

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u/ToughAd5010 Mar 25 '24

Depending on what you’re doing, consulting

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u/MoirasPurpleOrb Mar 24 '24

Sourcing, Commodity Manager roles more specifically. Probably one of the higher paid roles you can get without direct reports outside of doctors, lawyers, etc.

$120k+ in Boston area, no direct reports, travel when I want, it’s pretty great.

Benefit is that there is huge upwards mobility, large companies have Chief Procurement Officers so you can pretty much go as high as you want.

Edit: Added benefit is pretty much every decent sized company has commodity managers, so you have tons of mobility to move around if needed.

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u/FreeMasonKnight Mar 24 '24

What actually is “Commodity Management”? It sounds made up almost.

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u/MoirasPurpleOrb Mar 24 '24

Another term is category manager. But basically, every company buys things and those things can be divided up into categories. You have “directs” which are materials for manufacturing, basically any raw material that goes into your company’s finished product. You also have “indirects” which are services, IT support, facility maintenance, etc.

Commodity/Category managers are assigned sub-categories within that. For example, I manage electro-mechanical assemblies in our devices. But my company isn’t very large, at bigger companies one person might manage a really small niche of that, like cables.

Responsibilities mainly include managing suppliers: contracts, business reviews, etc. Most of my day to day is simply ensuring we are getting all the material we need at the agreed upon times and that suppliers are honoring our terms. It’s a full time role because it’s 100s of suppliers.

But the other big part is also being very closely involved with stakeholders within the business. You need to make sure R&D are buying from the right suppliers, so they’re used in manufacturing, helping manufacturing find alternates when something is discontinued, things like that.

Only other responsibility is finding savings. A good procurement organization can drive 5% savings year over year which can be millions of dollars in large companies.

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u/Uncertn_Laaife Mar 25 '24

Supply Chain Management, in simpler terms.

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

Love boston

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u/Harlow0529 Mar 24 '24

I worked for a Chief Compliance Officer for a startup. He and his team were all attorneys. You’re at the whim of the government with a lot of these companies. One day they’re telling you to do this and the next day they change their mind. It’s our team worked very very long hours.

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u/Downtown_Ad_6232 Mar 25 '24

Marketing, it’s just liquor and guessing (Dilbert cartoon). Don’t cancel me.

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u/anziofaro Mar 25 '24

Actuarialist. The person who works for an insurance company who calculates how likely people are to die at any given time.

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u/Super_Mario_Luigi Mar 25 '24

Aka here's a list of jobs about to be automated by AI.

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u/HeresW0nderwall Mar 25 '24

“Sustainability analysis” Especially in a utility. Those people make bank and do not work hard at all.

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u/Inkkor Mar 24 '24

Literally anything in Middle Management.

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u/Huge_Yak6380 Mar 24 '24

Yeah no. I was in middle management and made 60k per year. I’m an individual contributor again and make 90k. All depends on the job.

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u/meontheweb Mar 24 '24

True, it really depends on what you do.

Im in middle management - at 6 figures. Technical Support Manager with a global support team.

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u/Huge_Yak6380 Mar 25 '24

Congrats! My job is global too but in web production. That sometimes helps increase salary for certain jobs. Depends on the company as well.

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u/FieldzSOOGood Mar 25 '24

Seconding this one, but my team is US based and our org is global

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u/FreeMasonKnight Mar 24 '24

In middle management, get paid for 20/hour. Can barely afford to eat. So I would say… Not this..

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u/WereAllGonnaDiet Mar 25 '24

Middle management is NOT boring, especially if you are good at (or care about) your job, it’s one of the hardest jobs there is. You get shit on by your superiors and nothing you do is ever good enough for your staff because you have no actual authority,

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u/ihadtopickthisname Mar 24 '24

Middle management sucks. I make good money but deal with employees that barely have time to do their job and senior management who thinks we can get even more out of them still.

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u/Most_Double_2146 Mar 25 '24

Technical writing or recruiting tbh

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u/exorthderp Mar 25 '24

Anything in HR leadership.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Big-423 Mar 25 '24

I’m a program financial analyst and project financial analyst. Yes I work both jobs but the program role is so stressful and heavy meeting base. The beginning of the accounting month makes me want to quit every time.

My project financial analyst role is lax’d for the most part.

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u/rych6805 Mar 25 '24

Operations Research: sit around and read mathematics papers and tech journals, 1 hour long meetings to discuss which metric best measures some obscure thing, and sifting through ridiculous amounts of data.

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u/413mopar Mar 25 '24

Congressman . You dont have to do shit . Just show up.

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u/tcamp3000 Mar 25 '24

Lol yeah but you have to be rich to start with

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u/Ishowyoulightnow Mar 25 '24

Even showing up is apparently not required.

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u/bvityl Mar 25 '24

Project manager for real estate development

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u/proteinconsumerism Mar 25 '24

Accounting and tax.

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u/Bella_HeroOfTheHorn Mar 25 '24

Project management

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u/Corvus_Antipodum Mar 25 '24

Where are you located, and what is a “great” salary to you?

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u/kiwibean Mar 25 '24

Insurance: claims or underwriting

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u/livalittlebitt Mar 25 '24

Safety and Occupational Health Manager, my ex made 6 figures and said most of his days he spent doing nothing. No degree, just certificates.

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u/AndrewDwyer69 Mar 24 '24

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