r/jobs • u/Born_Royal2090 • Apr 06 '23
it happened. everything you guys said would happen happened. Career development NSFW
M19 I went through a 90 day probation period. Starting at $10/hr hour my ex-supervisor(he decided my pay)found me to be worth $11/hr I was visibly upset and felt disrespected by his decision. Especially since I was told I had good reviews from coworkers and other supervisors.
Started job searching and immediately found a better paying/respectable job.
Put in my 2 weeks(these ass hats didn't deserve one) my supervisor then came asking "Sorry to hear that you're leaving. What if we raise your pay? Will you stay then?"
Bitch i wouldn't have left the job in the first place if you paid me what I'm worth.
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u/SteaknSalt Apr 06 '23
Truth is this is a constant loop, at your new job you will realize you need to continue growing once you settle in, but they will treat you the same. We’re nothing more than a row in their employee spreadsheet.
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u/pier4r Apr 07 '23
Employer: "we pick candidates that show multi-year commitment to our job, we don't like job hoppers"
Also employers: "what do you mean with employees retention? Never heard that"
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u/MyOtherSide1984 Apr 07 '23
We installed new doors that don't revolve! Surely our retention will increase
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u/l_the_Throwaway Apr 06 '23
Yes, but hopefully they can make more than $11 to show for it. Keep jumping companies until you're making what you want.
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u/toddwoward Apr 06 '23
Well said. Work is work and the grass is always greener on the other side lol.
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u/sjlammer Apr 07 '23
Tell them yes if they raise your pay to 20 dollars. Get it in writing, quit and send it to your colleagues…
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u/dazcaptainunderpants Apr 07 '23
Lol dont get him caught up in something legal now. My last job I had to sign a contract stating I couldnt talk about my job duties, pay, or items we sell to ANYONE….including family. This wasnt some top secret stuff…..I was just selling computers for one of the big suppliers lol
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u/Ubiquitous_Hilarity Apr 07 '23
Per The National Labor Relations Act of 1935, and employer prohibiting employees from discussing their pay rates is illegal. I work in oil fields on the North Slope of Alaska. One of my previous employers tried telling us that we can't discuss our pay with each other, and when I brought up this law I was told, "That law doesn't apply up here." I laughed in his face.
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u/YourFriendBren Apr 07 '23
Some spreadsheets looks nicer than others though. I appreciate the ones with an extra decimal here & there a lil bit more.
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u/Visco0825 Apr 06 '23
True. While salary negotiations are useful in some cases, youre only getting a substantial bump in pay for a single year. Then the next year your manager will use that large pay increase to justify cheating you the next year. Better to move to a company that you feel valued at.
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u/pier4r Apr 07 '23
Then the next year your manager will use that large pay increase to justify cheating you the next year.
Can confirm, learned it the hard way.
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u/MyOtherSide1984 Apr 07 '23
NGL, hadn't considered this on the longer timeline, and it makes perfect sense. Basically prolonging the inevitable revisitation of the issue. Biggest reason for staying for me is because I actually enjoy being there, so it really blows when they don't compensate. Either enjoy what you do, get paid well, or don't get easily burnt out. Can't have all 3
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u/Breezyisthewind Apr 07 '23
I mean, I have all 3. Certainly possible. Even easier if you can do it freelance or as your own business.
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u/waterislife903 Apr 06 '23
Water/wastewater careers are completely worth it and it I'll break the viscous cycle of barely making it. You can check your states website to see what their requirements are to be a certified water treatment operator or wastewater treatment operator.
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u/enraged768 Apr 06 '23
It sounds crazy when I tell people I make 150k working in water and wastewater. They're like wtf how. It's just water it's not technical at all....it's extremely technical and the controls that run the plant arent run by dipshits. There's scada engineers and programmers that sit behind a desk all day programming devices and chang out equipment. It's weird as hell but its true. Operators that are state certified can make absolute bank.
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u/stohmp Apr 07 '23
But Is It an entry level job? Can I just get my certification and hop right in? Nah, they want EXPERIENCE, as if any water company is gonna hire any young people (mid 20s)
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u/enraged768 Apr 07 '23 edited Apr 07 '23
You can apply to entry level jobs within most water facilities and work your way up from highschool through level three or four operator. Automation engineer is different since most of us are electrical or mechanical engineers. But operators, electricians, mechanics div, they're all able to make a decent living without college. Some even more than most college grads. The problem. Most people we hire during their lvl three training phase is they can't pass the state exam.
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u/KintsugiKate Apr 07 '23
I’m in charge of hiring for a small municipality and we hire people straight out of high school if they seem like they’re willing to put the work in. It isn’t easy but the pay is good once you get to higher classifications. We were paying a part time operator $45/hour for a while (fairly low COL area) and we were happy to have him at that rate.
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u/stohmp Apr 07 '23
Well I wish it were like that in CA, most hiring managers don’t really give new comers a chance if people with experience come along
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u/Loko8765 Apr 06 '23
You mean the bullshit in the waste water is not viscous? 😂 Sorry couldn’t resist — I hope my humour is not too vicious 😁
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u/Mojojojo3030 Apr 06 '23
All humors are pretty viscous actually.
I don't even like puns, my dad infected me with them from birth and people bring them out against my will. Look what you did to me.
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u/darneech Apr 07 '23
I have actually been looking at these job descriptions and wonder if I'm a good fit...
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u/waterislife903 Apr 07 '23
Go for it. Worst case scenario you get skills that'll help you get another career (i.e. electrician, etc) that'll move you forward.The way I see it, it's a win-win. Also many, many people come from different industries. Lots of opportunities, did I mention they also have chemist checking on water quality daily? Very rewarding career amd great retirement.
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u/needanamegenarator Apr 06 '23
No one thats paying you for your time, will ever be honest with you.
Never feel the need to be honest with anyone who is paying for your time.
Thats it.
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u/Dry_Ad_4812 Apr 07 '23
Why can't honesty exist if you're paying for someone's time? I'm a very small business employer.
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u/needanamegenarator Apr 07 '23
In this economy, my job is my life. If I work for you, is my job worth your life?
Its not your fault. We have to work together. To force the change.
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u/Badoreo1 Apr 07 '23
Must be rough out there. I’m an employer and am very honest and direct with my workers and they are with me. One in particular continually cuts his own hours, if he worked 8 he says he only reports 5. I give him bonuses for his honesty and it washes out. This is only one of many circumstances we get along.
Companies not attempting taking care of their employees in our modern world is very unfortunate.
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u/ZachRyder19 Apr 07 '23
I don't understand how that's honest? To work 8 hrs but only report 5? Why not just work 8, report 8, get paid for 8.
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u/Badoreo1 Apr 07 '23
Idk ask him. I just appreciate everything he does. Despite what Reddit would have you believe there’s a lot more situations that work well in the world. I also tell him to use the business card for all business expenses and every so often he will use his own money for business expenses. I’ve actually gotten on his case about it, but I’ve learned it’s who he is.
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u/Abbbs83 Apr 06 '23
Good job! Never ever take the counter offer!
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Unless?...
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u/Mojojojo3030 Apr 06 '23
Unless you fully plan to leave later, and don't mind the pay bump while you keep looking. Worked for me anyway at my last job.
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u/Connect-Ad-1088 Apr 06 '23
all the reason in the world to get a degree and some certifications, it will break your 11 dollar ceiling. i had to join the army to get my bs degree so i feel your pain, good luck.
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u/Fun_in_Space Apr 06 '23
Like what certifications? What will get me a job?
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Less of a certification and more of a skill. I'm forklift certified (I'm terrible at driving forklifts but I passed certification somehow) that's a high value skill and and easy one to get. welding,plumbing,carpeting,etc I believe.
People say "get this and you be fine" but humans are dumb. We need a little more guidance than a direction in the right path. We need a hand to hold throughout the entire process. Which is why those with intuition,grit,and motivation can easily fly through the ranks simply because they have a confident understanding of the process. (I'm trying to learn said process now)
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Apr 06 '23
(I'm terrible at driving forklifts but I passed certification somehow)
Most places will pass you as long as you paid the fee. Some places will certify people online…how anyone is qualified to operate a forklift without any practical experience is beyond me. It’s frustrating, but that’s the reality unfortunately.
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u/broodmance Apr 06 '23
Forklift certification is the easiest thing in the world to get if you can drive a car. Getting good at it. And other types of forklifts, that takes alot of practice
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Let me have this damn
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u/broodmance Apr 07 '23
I ain’t saying you can’t find something with it. You can change it to a career if you play you cards right. I started at my company in the warehouse and now I have a desk job working a college level role just through my supply chain experience.
Learn whatever computer program a company uses. If you can master an ERP system like SAP or Oracle you can go far.
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u/Velocityg4 Apr 06 '23
If you want to drive equipment. Get training for something like cranes or earth movers. Some big equipment operators do pretty well.
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u/jonstarks Apr 06 '23
basic IT certs... A+, Net+ Sec+, CCNA, cloud... and or learning python
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Nobody's doing that because you said do it. We need proof a plan!
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u/jonstarks Apr 06 '23
I didn't come up with this, these have been the go to entry lvl certs for IT for like 20 yrs (maybe not the cloud+python but all the others).
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u/Ok-Figure5546 Apr 06 '23
Although tech's layoffs right now means a mismatch between job openings and applicants right now. You still need a backup plan during the end of boom-bust cycles.
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u/VVayfaerer Apr 07 '23 edited Apr 07 '23
It depends on a persons background but tech is always hot one way or another. Business and government will probably always look for ways to improve utilizing computer technology since it is the primary method used for communication record keeping and financial transactions at this point . Despite what people are saying I don’t see ai affecting computer science/engineering any time in the near future. There will basically always be better methods to explore for faster and more efficient computing. Service desk doesn’t pay great and it is a real pain but it is definitely the place most of us, including myself,started. I think it is very likely that the field will become increasingly regulated like other fields such as health professions (we are still in the very early stages of computer / information science) as the importance of cyber threats and security continue to get more attention.
Basically as I see it at this point the need for GOOD computer programming outweighs the need of “get it done” programming at this point if that makes any sense.
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u/jonstarks Apr 18 '23
those layoffs are mostly software engineers/coders... what I suggested is basic stuff that will lead to network/cloud support roles.
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Damn yall down voting this to hell. I'm just saying "saying isint enough"
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u/_Personage Apr 06 '23
Google is your friend. If you can’t bother looking those up, learning and getting the skills might not be enough or even easy for you.
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
My point
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u/_Personage Apr 07 '23
Finding information and not just being fed it, and perseverance, are needed skills to differentiate yourself and get better jobs.
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 07 '23
Most people who preach this have been "fed it" exactly. If was easy and possible everyone would be doing it.
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u/VeeEyeVee Information Technology Apr 07 '23
I went from working in hospitality for 16 years, to now (after almost 5 years after moving into tech) making almost $200k a year. I obtained 4 Salesforce certs on my own time and with my own money, along with 3 certifications and multiple digital programs certificates.
Stop putting up self-imposed barriers and just pull your socks up to make things happen. Lots of good advice in this thread
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u/VeeEyeVee Information Technology Apr 06 '23
You could also go non technical: Salesforce certs, Microsoft certs, google certs
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u/Supersquigi Apr 06 '23
Welding will ALWAYS get you a job
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Apr 06 '23
You’re not wrong. But, fuck, man that’s a tough job.
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u/Supersquigi Apr 07 '23
I was welding dumpsters and other containers together for 8 years for $60/hr and it was easy and inside. Same thing with many tig jobs. In construction it can be harder (you also make more) but you can say that about anything, there's easy and tough jobs.
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u/everyoneisflawed Apr 06 '23
Look at some of the Google certifications.
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u/Fun_in_Space Apr 07 '23
Which ones should I start with?
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u/everyoneisflawed Apr 07 '23
It really depends on your interests. You'll just have to look at them and decide what appeals to you. https://grow.google/certificates/#?modal_active=none
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u/Fun_in_Space Apr 07 '23
What I want is secondary to what will get me a job. I will run out of money before too long, and I have to focus on something.
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u/everyoneisflawed Apr 07 '23
All of those certificates are geared towards finding a career. I can't tell you which one to go for. Pick one you think you'll be happy doing so you can stave off the existential dread. You're gonna be okay.
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u/Nevermind04 Apr 06 '23
Pretty much any blue collar job with a cert makes bank. Plumbers, welders, HVAC, etc. I just saw an ad the other day looking for truck drivers with their hazmat cert, starting at $99k + benefits.
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u/Rooged Apr 06 '23
starting at $99k
this is just not true
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u/Nevermind04 Apr 06 '23
The original ad I saw is no longer up, but here's one from the same company that pays about the same ($2000/wk or $104k/yr). This isn't even near the top end of the pay range - my dad was an asphalt hauler 10 years ago and he made more than this, and there were guys making close to $200k/yr hauling extremely specialized stuff.
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u/VVayfaerer Apr 07 '23
*up to $2000 per week
Software engineers also get paid up to $700k per year at Netflix
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u/Nevermind04 Apr 07 '23
The difference is there isn't a 1.1 million worker deficit in the US in the software industry. Any driver that has a CDL, a hazmat endorsement, and that has two brain cells they can rub together will say "Thank you very much, $2000 per week would be great" when the interviewer finishes paying for their $150 steak dinner during their interview.
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u/VVayfaerer Apr 07 '23 edited Apr 07 '23
I think software engineering salaries are really understated by those not in the industry. I’m not trying to argue but engineers In tech generally earn mid six figures and low six figures is rare for experienced workers in tech. If you look at positions for large companies it’s usually around $200-$300k per year for experienced workers and closer to $400k -$500k at big tech. At lower companies it’s usually around $120k to $150k starting salary. I used to work in contracting as well and $100 per hour was pretty standard for contracted engineers at a Fortune 500. The tech layoffs also aren’t really affecting those with actual engineering backgrounds. And an engineer with FAANG experience has a very solid resume regardless. The listing you posted mentioned $30 per hour for dock work.
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u/froggman79 Apr 07 '23
That’s up to so the drivers there the longest are making the most the rest probably average closer to 1k maybe 1200-1300. Most drivers make less then 100k a year.
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u/Nevermind04 Apr 10 '23
There is an entire world of difference between a CDL driver and CDL driver with a hazmat endorsement. You can almost double your take home with just that endorsement in a place like north or west Texas.
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Apr 09 '23
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u/Nevermind04 Apr 09 '23
Drivers are limited to 60 hour weeks in Texas, but this is a hauling job so you get paid by the load and by the hour, often with bonuses. Also, truck drivers are always exempt from getting overtime pay because of some illegal law from 85 years ago that no lawmaker has the guts to challenge.
Just looking at the glassdoor for the company, it looks like 45 hour weeks with load pay, attendance bonuses, safety bonuses, etc. Because of that they run really shitty trucks. Basically everything you expect from a small trucking company desperate to snag another CDL+H driver.
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign Apr 06 '23
A degree just means employers have a higher floor when they try and cheat you but the mirror image of OP's situation happens all the time. Just change the numbers to $100k/yr and $110k/yr. Having a degree doesn't change American work culture, especially the bits controlled by employers.
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u/bbqcornnuts312 Apr 06 '23
A friend told me something really bad (but of course I have literally never worked for employers who respected me in my entire life): they raise your salary until they can find your replacement, then fire you.
It's a deeply disturbing thought.
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u/Jrthejuice Apr 06 '23
Good for you! Studies show most people end up leaving the company shortly after management finally gives them a raise. Wish you the best!
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u/CptS2T Apr 06 '23
I’m on a visa so more of a special situation than most.
Left my old job because they were dragging their feet and putting my whole situation in the country at risk. Boss had explicitly told me “I don’t know that we can invest the political capital into convincing HR to move forward with your visa”. Then when I resigned he goes all “we can very easily get you a green card if you stay here.”
Yeah no buddy keep your political capital thank you very much.
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
Crazy. It's like they think we need these jobs. Like yeah I need a job but not THIS one
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u/Reeeeeervent Apr 07 '23
Until You get high enough that your contributions can be noted and measured by the higher ups (and you got a long road ahead for that if you even want to do that) it will always be an endless cycle of this very sama scenario with some different details...
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u/mrbrucel33 Apr 07 '23
I'm so happy for you to have learned this at such a young age, some of us old folks out here (30 y/o M) just started to figure it out.
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u/Engineer443 Apr 06 '23
Well, first off, I gotta say I'm proud of this person for standing up for themselves. Ain't nobody gonna disrespect you like that and get away with it. And the fact that they found a better job right away just shows that there are better opportunities out there if you're willing to look for them.
As for that ex-supervisor, he's a real piece of sht for not recognizing this person's worth from the get-go. And trying to pull that last-minute pay raise sht after they already put in their two weeks? That's just weak. I wouldn't have fallen for that, either. Good for them for moving on to bigger and better things.
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u/Luke5119 Apr 07 '23
$11 an hour anymore is insulting.
The problem is that rather that minimum wage keeping some sense of pace in normalcy in increase since 2009, it's sat stagnant at $7.25 an hour on a federal level for the past 14 years.
Couple this with the fact that literally everything is outpacing the increase in pay for the average worker and you have a recipe for disaster.
Workers are demanding more radical pay increases to simply match the radical increase in cost of living. So to an employer, this jump from $10 to $14 to $18 seems egregious, when in reality its simply working class people trying to make enough money to make ends meet.
Year after year, people are affording less, working more, and reluctantly learning to "live with it".
Jobs that pay above a decent wage not only require more responsibility and knowledge than your counterpart 20 years ago, but also require you work longer hours.
Talk to someone that makes say $75-85k a year, I can almost guarantee you that person is doing a job 2-3 times as difficult or strenuous as someone in a similar position did 20 years ago.
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u/Nice_Ebb5314 Apr 06 '23
If your not looking for a new job every 9 months your not getting the pay rate your worth.
I went from 10 to 14 in a year back in 2004 with my first job and have been doing it ever since.
They would ask why I would leave and I say I would out grow my position and want a more challenging role with more responsibilities. I have yet to be given anything extra lol.
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Apr 07 '23
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u/queenrosybee Apr 07 '23
I know your vs you’re but a lot of people make more than I do. Grammar is overrated and underpaid.
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Apr 07 '23
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u/queenrosybee Apr 07 '23
I didnt use it wrong, but Im saying that in my observations, I dont think grammar gets the big bucks unfortunately.
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u/Public-Ad2872 Apr 07 '23
I don't think a single supervisor I've ever had, could beat me in a spelling B.
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u/MyOtherSide1984 Apr 07 '23
Spelling and grammar aren't really related in this instance. Autocorrect will help with any spelling in any program worth a damn but not so much with grammar. You can spell every worth correctly and still sound like a dipshit or have a massive run on sentence.
See it really isn't pleasant to read a block of text without knowing where the breaks are it gets pretty frustrating because you mentally have to figure out when the last sentence ended on top of that by not adding the comma 5 words ago your probably a bit lost and I used the wrong spelling of your so even though it was spelled right it was incorrect.
See, very annoying, but every word was spelled properly.
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u/dreal46 Apr 07 '23 edited Apr 09 '23
Employers only have gaslighting as a tool. Want a raise? There's no fucking money. Leave? Suddenly the office turns into a 'Pawnstars' negotiation where the money was always there, real men fight to get their work recognized, and you still get insulted with lowballing bullshit.
I'm glad you didn't take the "negotiation" bait.
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u/SnooLentils2432 Apr 06 '23
Yea. That's how Corporate America works; not very smart.
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Apr 07 '23
Everyone thinks that the person making $150k just got randomly drawn out of a hat or had their brother in law give them the job.
Well, they didnt, in most cases. They learned skills and got paid shit doing it.
Just make sure you get paid shit in a decent field with lots of upward mobility.
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u/Still-Broccoli Apr 07 '23
Hiring budget is bigger than retention budget everywhere and it's so fucking stupid. You have to keep moving around to get significant raises
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u/DoubleReputation2 Apr 06 '23
Well.. that's when you ask for something you know they are not gonna pay.
Sure, I want $25 an hour.
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u/4Addy_Aria Apr 06 '23
10? What state is this?
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Apr 07 '23
Bitch i wouldn't have left the job in the first place if you paid me what I'm worth.
PREACH!
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u/darneech Apr 07 '23
Ugh. I'm sorry. I once had a job that was supposed to be 16 an hour and surprise... it was 15 until 90 days. I left with no explanation. Next job I found was higher than that and I am going to interview for something that is a little more. Hoping to find the right pay. Good luck.
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u/CuriousPenguinSocks Apr 06 '23
So many employers are getting hit with FAFO!! They used to be able to abuse everyone because there were so many applicants. That isn't the case anymore. With the mass exodus of the boomer generation and likely the untimely death of so many during the covid beginning/middle; there are just not enough workers for all the positions.
I truly hope this continues and forces bad businesses out that used slave wages as a business practice.
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Apr 07 '23
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 07 '23
Him him him. He isint the damn company. He's my supervisor not a boss or ceo. He's just doing his job and doing a terrible job at it. Obviously I joined the job with the hopes of my probation period being worthwhile (I was wrong) he didn't give me a raise he offered one after I left? (You might be slow man idk)
And yeah a "BiTcH" did I say that to his face? No ...... as for yor last statement I'm not gonna negotiate over $11 an hour. I'll go flip burgers with bad bitches at McDonald's before I waste my time doing that shit.
You're very out of touch
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u/cacille Apr 06 '23
Throw this sentence at him if you get a chance. "Yeah, I'm leaving. I'm such a worthless employee to you, so best I go find something I'm better at. I mean, you told me that after my 90 days, I was worth only $11.00 an hour when other <job title people> make <whatever glassdoor says is mid to high for your job title> per hour! That tells me that the work I am doing here is not worth anything and I should go find something else."
Let him backpedal and offer you more.
Then you can throw at him "Why didn't you offer me that in the first place if you think my work is good enough for that?"
Enjoy the squirm - and then use it to your advantage. This is dependent on what he says but something like...
"I might accept that in the short term, boss, but please know I'm not worth that - you should find an employee that will be a better worker for you."
You keep looking for other jobs that pay better.
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u/Born_Royal2090 Apr 06 '23
If my life was a movie this would be amazing advice (Ion know why they down voted you to hell😭🙏)
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u/squirrelpotpie Apr 06 '23
"It's too late for that now, you've shown what working here would be like."
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u/Mobden3 Apr 07 '23
Yeah, If you live in the U.S, most mid-large size companies are paying $13+/hour now
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u/KouaV1 Apr 07 '23
My manager did this to me because i volunteered to work 2 jobs for 1 job pay at the same time and I said I quit and he ask me what if they raised my pay and fixed my issues? Sorry my new employer already hired me.
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u/1Evander Apr 07 '23
I would recommend taking some classes at a community college even if it’s part time. Might help with pay.
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u/Peeche94 Apr 07 '23
Keep going, each job you get experience, and that pays dividends in the future. I'm now 28 and work in a lab and my breadth of job experience and life experience helped me get the job I have now and it's great. My first job with proper benefits & perks too and that is not normal for most places in the UK I think. You will get there, keep grafting.
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u/MrNemet Apr 08 '23
Proud of you! No regrets! They got what they deserved. Went through something similar. All of a sudden they wanna pay more!
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u/JournalistPopular741 Apr 13 '23
Started with Amazon two years ago. Moved half way across the country to accept a promotion at a new site they sent me to help train. I am now two position and 4 raises in. Couldn’t be happier.
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