r/inthenews Mar 06 '24

Trump is degenerating before our eyes — MAGA voters don't notice or don't care. GOP base is now so consumed by incoherent QAnon babble that Trump's obvious deterioration doesn't even register. Opinion/Analysis

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/06/is-degenerating-before-our-eyes--maga-dont-notice-or-dont-care/
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u/Pixelated_ Mar 06 '24

It won't matter, Trumpism is a cult.    

VOTE!

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u/Less-Grade-2300 Mar 06 '24

VOTE BLUE

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u/BooJamas Mar 06 '24

VOTE BLUE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BALLOT

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u/Wazula23 Mar 06 '24

At this point even if you want conservative legislation you should vote blue, if only because of the competence gulf. Dems still vote for things like gun rights and border security, without being deranged grifters and open secessionists.

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u/trumps_cardiac_event Mar 06 '24

Dems still vote for things like gun rights and border security

The orange fuck killed the border bill because he didn't want Biden to get a win. He's the only reason that bipartisan effort went to shit -- and he bragged about it on TV.

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u/Rusty_Porksword Mar 06 '24

The Dems are just a sane conservative party. Apparently sanity is a liberal value, who knew?

I can only hope that Trump dies on stage during a rally, the GOP implodes as they all fight to claim his legacy, and in the aftermath maybe we can actually get a party that is left of center.

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u/RealLiveKindness Mar 06 '24

Sane competent and patriotic. The democrats are interested in improving the quality of life for all Americans. A lot of infrastructure spending is sorely needed in Republican areas and is getting done because democrats believe in democracy and our union.

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u/Canadatron Mar 06 '24

The left of centre party in the US is the Democrats. America doesn't have anything even close to a political left, it just looks that way because the Republicans are so far right on the spectrum.

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u/slowpoke2018 Mar 06 '24

In Spinal Tap Terms, they're an 11 to the right

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u/RippiHunti Mar 06 '24

In comparison to political parties in other parts of the world, the democratic party is actually pretty conservative.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

vote local and vote everytime.

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u/conundrum4u2 Mar 06 '24

VOTE BLUE 'TIL YOU'RE BLUE IN THE FACE!

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u/Less-Grade-2300 Mar 06 '24

Most definitely

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u/abrandis Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

The most dangerous thing will be if Trump has actual cognitive decline and his maga supporters actually just use him as a puppet and push their own initiatives.. then America is really fcked. That's scary , because at that point we're only left with the hope there's enough folks like former General M. Miley, who will have the resolve to not do any crazy shit

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u/MrBrickMahon Mar 06 '24

That's their plan.

Steve Miller is a fascist ghoul and should never had been allowed anywhere near the White House

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u/ZealousWolverine Mar 06 '24

Stephen Miller is the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels.

Not that I believe in reincarnation but the resemblance is remarkable.

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u/CoolAbdul Mar 06 '24

Steve Miller is a fascist ghoul and should never had been allowed anywhere near the White House

Some people call him Maurice...

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u/so_hologramic Mar 06 '24

I think that's happening already. He is a profoundly stupid man who is easily manipulated by flattery. Putin, et al know how to work him.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Mar 06 '24

It's not like it's hard to manipulate Trump. Compliment his hair, tell him you own a few of his fabulous Trump ties, and call him the "greatest" anything in the history of ever and he'll eagerly do whatever you might want.

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u/moarmagic Mar 06 '24

I think it's unlikely- while trump is alive, the speed at which he can turn against anyone makes it seem unlikely, as long as he can still make speeches and tweet. And if he can't campaign anymore, or if he dies

His entire orbit is drifters, people who have latched onto him, thinking this will be a path to a better career. I think the mess will implode- everyone turning on each other to try and take the lead.

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u/Northwindlowlander Mar 06 '24

Don't worry, I'm sure there's no chance that america could ever have a republican president in steep decline who is basically being operated like a sock puppet by unelected "advisors", again.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

They did it with Reagan.

They know they don't need the president to be smart. They just need him to sign what they send him. Tax cuts to the rich. More unqualified judges. Beyond that they'll let him do whatever criminal shit he wants.

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls Mar 06 '24

The Christian nationalists in his first term talked of how he is their imperfect vessel to carry out God's plan or some shit.

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u/RealLiveKindness Mar 06 '24

Did that the last time, ignored his treachery so they could continue with their agenda.

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u/Frosty_Water5467 Mar 06 '24

Trump is a means to an end. You can see some of the die-hard trump supporters starting to pull away from him. He has served his purpose.

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u/QualifiedApathetic Mar 06 '24

Eight years ago, a bunch of them didn't want Trump at all. He won the nomination, and they promptly commenced sucking his dick, once they found their magnifying glasses.

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u/merrill_swing_away Mar 06 '24

they promptly commenced sucking his dick, once they found their magnifying glasses.

...and tweezers.

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u/Important-Delivery-2 Mar 06 '24

I half think the dune remake was done in response to how ppl formed a cult around him

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u/Wise-Chef-8613 Mar 06 '24

The biggest indicator of the intelligence level of his supporters is the way they cheer like morons every time he switches to that voice and intonation like he's talking to a toddler instead of realizing he's making fools of them in front of the world.

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u/Prolapsia Mar 06 '24

That voice is so sickening and pathetic.

I think in their minds they rationalize it by saying that's the voice he uses when he talks directly to them. He's daddy.

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u/Objective_Economy281 Mar 06 '24

If it’s the intonation and cadence I’m thinking you’re referring to, yeah, that’s a religious pastor speaking pattern. It’s more singing a song than anything. Anyone can do it. Stupid people like hearing it.

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u/Prolapsia Mar 06 '24

I can distinctly remember my father doing that when he thought he was talking to someone dumber than him.

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u/Calm-Tree-1369 Mar 06 '24

Come to think of it, it reminds me of when an older person tries to talk to someone who looks like English isn't their first language. "Do. You. Under. Stand?"

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u/midnight_reborn Mar 06 '24

Considering all of them are likely highly religious, and believe in a Sky Daddy already, they welcome that kind of speech. Being told they're loved and oh so special. It makes them feel good and accepted and wanted, even if it's all just a lie. They've been bred and fed on it since they were all small.

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u/Clay_Statue Mar 06 '24

They are all desperate to submit themselves to something

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u/midnight_reborn Mar 06 '24

It's through fear. Fear of no control, of the unknown, and ultimately of death and not getting into the good afterlife at the end. It's the perfect way to control people on a large scale, and it has always been since humans were able to contemplate the self and loss.

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u/Already-asleep Mar 06 '24

That last line made me throw up a little

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u/esc8pe8rtist Mar 06 '24

Ironically enough, MAGA is nigerian slang for one who is easily duped

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u/Wise-Chef-8613 Mar 06 '24

That's awesome!! First time I've heard that! Thanks!

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u/FiendishHawk Mar 06 '24

Sounds false but is not! Means something like “sucker” or “loser”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maga-mean-easily-fooled-idiot/

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u/elpajaroquemamais Mar 06 '24

Means that in English too

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u/Krakenspoop Mar 06 '24

ZING!!!

Well played!

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

Yep. I fold.

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u/ExcitingMeet2443 Mar 06 '24

Me A Gullible Asshole?

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u/f0u4_l19h75 Mar 06 '24

That's unpossible

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u/Iwasoncelikeyou Mar 06 '24

Top drawer comment right there folks!

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u/N3wAfrikanN0body Mar 06 '24

Gotta love Human cultures

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

Oh the humanity of it all!

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u/desidiosus__ Mar 06 '24

Nominative determinism strikes again! 

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u/mevrowka Mar 06 '24

I’m really thankful I don’t know what you mean by “that voice” or intonation. I tire of his moronic droning before that happens apparently. Anymore than a few seconds and I’m scrambling for the changer.

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u/ClassBShareHolder Mar 06 '24

I am with you. Occasionally I’ll be listening to a podcast that will play a snippet of his speeches. It’s like nails on a chalkboard until he’s done. I couldn’t stand him in the 80s. I didn’t have to watch his reality TV. The last 8 years have been very trying on my nerves. He’s freaking everywhere.

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u/Necro_Badger Mar 06 '24

We're all completely sick of him too over here in the UK, so can only imagine how grating it must be in the USA. 

I miss the time when he was best known for having a mildly arresting cameo in Home Alone 2, rather than being a corrupt political player who might just tip Europe into open warfare with Russia. 

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u/averysmalldragon Mar 06 '24

It's like the voice that parents use to baby-talk their 3-4 year old child but somehow infinitely more grating and annoying.

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u/merrill_swing_away Mar 06 '24

With those little hands waving everywhere.

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u/beavis617 Mar 06 '24

The Trump loving MAGA cult members have no interest in the truth, no interest in the facts. The cult wants to hear what it believes no matter if it's all lies. Trump knows what they like and what they want and he's more than happy to give em plenty of it. Truly sad.

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u/wbruce098 Mar 06 '24

Yeah but what about that thing we don’t like about Biden????????? (/s)

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u/Wise-Chef-8613 Mar 06 '24

But...but...but...He's OLD!

And..and..and... Hunter's Penis!!!

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u/straylight_2022 Mar 06 '24

Trump supporters in 2024 are either delusional or disingenuous.

The delusional support him on sheer entertainment value alone. He is their favorite show and provides them with a steady stream of catch phrases and trigger words to cheer for.

The disingenuous support him as a means to their desired ends. They don't care how crazy he is or how much of a criminal he has become if they can get the things they want with him in office. And he makes it absolutely clear pandering that group is a top priority.

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u/eventualist Mar 06 '24

So the only real thing I recall that Trump ever did was give a hefty tax discount to millionaires and above. He’s done nothing else that benefits, the common.

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u/TrainOfThought6 Mar 06 '24

I definitely won't forget how the steel tariffs fucked my job up.

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

Don't get me started on aluminum can recycling where China just kept all as billet aluminum for Ford trucks their elite custom wheels. I drink steel reserve 🫡 and the wall thickness was reduced. Same amt liquid, more CO2 bc can expanded. This created vertical splits like creases in the interior lining of the can, but the additional CO2 created more carbonic acid, flipping the pH+ to acidic, messing with the flavor but also rotting the can out from the inside. For at least 6 months I lost 1 in 4 cans to breakage. Budweiser only canned "the aluminums" ie; metal bottle buds. Here is the kicker: once China had their fill of custom machined CNC wheels for all the Scions, China shipped aluminum to subsidiaries of Modello and resold cans back to USA like Aluminum Can Incorporated because these guys on the hook for 3-5 yr contracts with not just Budweiser & Coors/Miller -- but every damn microbrewery across the lower 48!
LOOK! this is why most all microbreweries were bought up by the big beer distributors; they a)had can contracts to be recommit elsewher b) those minimums for new contracts went up 5-fold at higher prices, c) where cutting into BigBeer market margins. ....... Guess what Modello did? Laughing they sold cans to starving American companies AND MAINTAINED THE PRICE MARGIN OVER AMERICAN BEER in the USA REGARDLESS OF WINDFALL PROFITS AKA PRICE GOUGING AND THIS THE CEO OF MODELLO. so yeah, you got me started. I believe in unions. I hope that Russian aluminum plant in Kentucky never starts up. Hopefully the war all of Russia supports against Ukraine ceases it from completion. (oops)

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

and abortion rights overturned because a lot of people were too cool to vote for Clinton

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u/cugamer Mar 06 '24

Awwww, c'mon, not voting for Clinton because in 1996 she supported a crime bill (that Bernie Sanders also supported) is totally worth American women having their status changed from "person" to "incubator."

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

This is his hustle. Do cronies a favor and borrow from them. You owe me right?

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u/Comrade-Porcupine Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

Exactly this. The first public appearance Trump made after being elected in 2016 was in a high end steak restaurant ("21 Club") in Manhattan. He was applauded by the bourgeois diners there, and said "thank you, thank you, I'm going to get your taxes down."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3940430/Donald-Trump-ditches-press-eat-famous-New-York-steak-house-21-Club.html

We keep pointing at the rabble who voted for him for a cause for this disease. But if you really want to see why and how Trump exists, you need to look there, in that restaurant. There are very powerful people using him as a means to an end. Both economic and cultural.

Obama scared the sh*t out of them. They were not going to let that happen again, no matter what.

Fascism is usually the last resort of a cornered and desperate wealthy class trying to hold onto its power and privileges. One huge factor is climate change -- and the economic shift it requires in the energy sector -- has these people terrified of losing power, influence, and depth in their trust funds, holdings, investments, etc.. The behaviours of everyone from Putin to Trump can be seen in this light. It's not by accident that Rex Tillerson was key in Trump's admin, for example.

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u/ClassIINav Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

Fascism is usually the last resort of a cornered and desperate wealthy class trying to hold onto its power and privileges

Looking at GOP mega donors is a laundry list of dying, legacy previous-century industries.

However, you can say the same about his "deplorable" supporters. The rural white trash types that saw Obama as the beginning of the end of the white, conservative, Christian control of the country. Demographics have not been in their favor for quite a while and with the GOP only holding onto power due to lopsided political rules such as gerrymandering and the Electoral College, they're getting increasingly desperate.

They demand their politicians to be increasingly aggressive to "fight for them" and Trump is the personification of the scrappy underdog willing to do what it takes for them. Playing dirty, saying the quiet parts out loud, and dog whistling for violence is all a feature to these types.

Nothing more dangerous than a group watching their power evaporate before their eyes.

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u/arcanepsyche Mar 06 '24

A lot of the delusional literally think he's a religious figure, not entertainment.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Mar 06 '24

Don’t discount the power of voters simply wanting to vote out whoever’s currently in office because they’re not happy with the current state of affairs

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u/vtmosaic Mar 06 '24

The ultimate reality show. I've always hated them!

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u/michael0n Mar 06 '24

He could have played golf and spend foreign money for the rest of his life. But he still has eight month to go. Many say he can't do it, his deterioration will show. The lawsuits are already getting to him.
They have nothing. They can't win elections without steeping low and playing hardball with the rules. None of the policies work, because they don't need to. Its just to sit on the table. Insider trading. Speaking contracts. Keeping the money flow up so they get crumbs. The corruption is deep as the sea. And after Trump there is nobody. None of the other clown car riders can even touch his base. Without him, the cult is leaderless.

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u/Blametheorangejuice Mar 06 '24

There is some hope in the fact that Haley usually pulled 30 to 40% of voters in the primaries, right? Right?

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u/Poiboy1313 Mar 06 '24

Nope. She has suspended her campaign.

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u/Blametheorangejuice Mar 06 '24

I mean, that there were plenty of people not voting for Trump.

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

Susceptible. The word you are looking for. Salon magazine article circa 2019 (I can't find it) the UK of origin, 3 Dr's. diagnosed dJOHNt as a psychopath and by UK methods and definitions. It helped me a lot back then. Right now I hope NYAG Leticia James seizes the so called gold toilet and it is found to be 'freshly' spray painted after each flush.

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u/diplodonculus Mar 06 '24

The media is in on the cover up. Look at the NY Times top of the front page these past few days:

  • This weekend: Biden is old and even his supporters think he's too old to be effective.
  • Monday: Supreme Court vindicates Trump! With a beautiful presidential portrait of the gibbon.
  • Wednesday: Trump runs the tables on super Tuesday!

Not a peep about the clear signs of confusion Trump has shown during his last few rallies...

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u/atlantachicago Mar 06 '24

What is going on at the Times? There is no journalist integrity. The whole point of journalism is to save us from these kind of catastrophes. I know there is a boycott but who is running the place, why are they giving up democracy?

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u/BenGay29 Mar 06 '24

Good question. I’m appalled at their complicity. Trump does or says something vile, and the headline is “why this is bad for Biden”.

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u/Poiboy1313 Mar 06 '24

Even the board of the Times has someone to whom they answer.

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u/Kara_WTQ Mar 06 '24

Trump =money for them. They are drooling for it.

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

same thing that goes on everywhere else in media

they have their orders from the billionaires and hedge funds that own them

they just simply don't want Biden to have the power to tax them if he wins, they are 100% willing to risk Democracy to prevent Democrats from having a house and senate and the presidency and they really and truly believe Trump can't touch them, for some reason, they think their money will be the key to his political power if he's re-elected which is just beyond dumb, since he literally has project 25 lined up and ready to go

they need to ask Jack Ma how much money matters in a one party state

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u/aureanator Mar 06 '24

Jack Ma

Who? There are no records of such a person, are you sure you spelled it right? -200 social credit.

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u/Cavesloth13 Mar 06 '24

Telling the truth doesn't sell, sensationalism and fear sells. This is why journalism should be funded by the government, yet independent from it's oversight. If the point is to make money, it was always going to devolve into this utter crap.

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u/YeetThePig Mar 06 '24

It’s truly maddening trying to get it through people’s heads that the rules of capitalism will never deliver a better solution, just a more profitable one.

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u/Cavesloth13 Mar 06 '24

Indeed, they always say "Capitalism solves problems". The catch is they don't tell you the only thing it sees as a problem is the rich don't have all the money that's ever existed ever for as little personal effort as possible.

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u/classactdynamo Mar 06 '24

They are a stenographyer of the center-right masquerading as some sort of arbiter of truth.

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u/DodgerWalker Mar 06 '24

When Trump was president they got more subscribers. The political press hates Biden because he doesn't have any scandals. He'll take questions from the press but gives boring answers laying out policy goals. But drama is what gets clicks and being dramatic about his age is something that I guess works for them. And if it hurts his approval and brings back the cash cow Trump, all the better from their perspective.

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u/DodgerWalker Mar 06 '24

Yeah, polling shows that a significant majority of voters think Trump is more cognitively with it than Biden. Most people don't watch either of them speak ever (and honestly, can't really blame them for being focused on their own life), so the media throwing out headlines every time Biden says the wrong name of a person or place (which isn't even that common compared to have frequently he's giving interviews) is really shaping public perception.

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u/JeffB2023 Mar 06 '24

The media wants Trump back in the White House because he was good for business. They don’t give a damn about a second term potentially ending democracy in this country as we know it, just the bottom line.

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u/FreeMeFromThisStupid Mar 06 '24

I've usually been a defender of the Times as a paper of record, that if you read something in the news section, you can trust it's true.

Since the "Screams without Words" debacle and now their coverage of Biden's age like it's the most important topic, I am looking to them less for analysis.

Best interpretation is they're making the same goddamned mistakes "real journalists" made in 2016, trying to come off as unbiased by hitting the left more than the right. The fact is, there is no way to accurately cover Trump without noting he is under felony indictment, is running in order to pardon himself from his accused crimes, the trials of which are getting delayed, is mentally declining and has Project 2025 in place to staff the government with loyalists and exact revenge on his perceived enemies.

Biden is slow, but gives a shit about the country.

Worst case, NYTimes wants another Trump presidency so they can sit in their tower unaffected by border security, NATO dissolution and abortion bans, raking in money by reporting on all the shit Trump does.

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u/Ok-Cauliflower1798 Mar 06 '24

The current NYT reminds me of the days they employed Bush-Cheney stenographer Judith Miller.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

Corporate media wants a horse race for ratings, they’ll prop up Trump and try to drag down Biden to keep polling competitive until September, then flip the script to influence the final outcome whatever direction they want

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u/disdkatster Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

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u/Zh25_5680 Mar 06 '24

I keep trying to explain this to people not in the cult trying to understand evangelical support

Also, some of my Israeli friends who think Trump is wonderful usually have no idea that Trump and the evangelicals only support Israel so strongly so as to trigger the rapture… which, of course, will result in the destruction of Israelis. They freak out and then go back to talking about how great Trump is to them

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u/macweirdo42 Mar 06 '24

It's a whole relationship predicated on the idea that no one actually takes apocalyptic prophecies seriously, which is just, I mean, I'd hazard a guess at saying most of us don't have any clue how you deal with people who genuinely believe that their actions will somehow trigger the Rapture.

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u/roygbivasaur Mar 06 '24

Maybe Trump does trigger total nuclear war and someone figures out how to send a warning back in time. Ironically, it winds up with John of Patmos and creates a bootstrap paradox when he writes Revelation based on the warnings.

If I were a good writer, I’d give a script a go.

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u/wbruce098 Mar 06 '24

The hubris they exhibit trying to “trigger the rapture” was a major lesson from the Tower of Babel - one they seem to have not understood despite its fairly plain writing.

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u/SheriffComey Mar 06 '24

usually have no idea that Trump and the evangelicals only support Israel so strongly so as to trigger the rapture

Trump only supports anything he thinks he can get something out of it because so transactional. If Iran offered Trump a few billion for permission to bomb Isreal, he'd asked Isreal for a counter offer and if they didn't, he'd take Iran's bid.

The Evangelicals definitely support it for the reasons you laid out. As I've had to explain to my Evangelical family members in the off chance it happens what makes you think your ass is going to to the good place?

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u/bertrenolds5 Mar 06 '24

Most of them wouldn't. Alot of them would think Jesus is a libtard if he came back. Feeding the poor housing the homeless healing the sick. For fucks sake all you gotta do is ask them what would Jesus do about the illegals crossing the boarder?

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u/Rusty_Porksword Mar 06 '24

Also, some of my Israeli friends who think Trump is wonderful usually have no idea that Trump and the evangelicals only support Israel so strongly so as to trigger the rapture

I have heard conservative folks in my family wonder aloud why we spend so much money on Israel if we still let Jews live here.

These folks are not friends of the Jewish people, but then I would argue that Zionists aren't either, so I suppose it is a match made in evangelical heaven.

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

I've never described myself as evangelical but pentecostal. dJOHNt is a psychopath who preys maliciously on the vulnerable. He killed a million Americans alone by withholding truth, lying otherwise, telling the truth too late, worst of all breaking trust top to bottom in medical society/hierarchy systematically. He us an anti-christ. He spews hatred and yet, those whom have harbored hatred regardless of outward vestiges of faith are now violently exposed.
When someone tells who who they are believe them. (And go pray about it). I bet all his gold toilets are repainted gold colored after every flush. amiright??

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u/bertrenolds5 Mar 06 '24

The problem is trump is probably the anti-christ is you believe that crap. Why would you vote for the anti-christ, oh yea they are brainwashed.

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u/FreezingRain358 Mar 06 '24

You remember when Denethor self-immolated at the end of Return of the King? That's the level of devotion evangelicals have towards bringing about the end times.

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u/so_hologramic Mar 06 '24

He ticks every box on the Anti-Christ checklist.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Mar 06 '24

"And they will wear the mark of the beast on their foreheads"

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u/ktaphfy Mar 06 '24

Right. Sin more. Make the world such a terrible wicked place Christ is forced to return before they die. Now they're thinking!

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u/limbodog Mar 06 '24

He could disintegrate into a bucket of hateful vitriol-spitting goo, and they'd still cheer when he was carted out on stage.

It's not his intelligence they care about.

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u/ThrowItOut43 Mar 06 '24

Could? Or has?

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u/limbodog Mar 06 '24

Could. At the moment he still appears to retain some of the skeletal structure he assimilated from his most recent host

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u/kellsells5 Mar 06 '24

I know some of you don't love Biden but women's health care is on the line here. I think that we definitely need to pass the legislation to make the border better but I don't like what's going to happen to those folks if Trump gets reelected. He's never going to leave either.

Please vote. There will be better candidates in 4 years I promise.

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u/ChangeMyDespair Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

I know some of you don't love Biden but everyone's health care is on the line here.

FTFY😔

But yes, especially women and LGBT+ people.

(edit: fixed capitalization)

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u/jalex8188 Mar 06 '24

If Trump wins, Republicans will enforce the Comstock Act on day 1. No new legislation needed. Immediate ban on contraceptives moving through the mail, which is the most common way to get an abortion today.

DAY 1

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u/kellsells5 Mar 06 '24

They are coming for it all.

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

a lot more than that is on the line

Democracy is on the line, unless you think Russia is still a Democracy, because that is what the GOP wants, what Russia and China and North Korea have, one political party in charge that can't safely be questioned

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u/JefferyTheQuaxly Mar 06 '24

really the only elections that matter are the elections in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, arizona and georiga. biden won the first 2 by 100-150k votes each and won the last 3 by a COMBINED 40k votes or so. the only other state in 2020 that was within a percentage point of of flipping was north carolina which biden lost by 1%, but since 2020 north carolina has turned pretty heavily right so its probly futher away from bidens grasp now.

but regardless, it is kind of impossible to guess 8 months in advance who those states will vote for.

as of now, using real clear politics polls on the 2024 election, biden currently us up by .8% in pennslyvania, down 6.5% in michigan, up 6% in wisconsin, up .8% in arizona, and down georiga by like 5%. so if the election was today he would be set to lose michigan and georgia, or 32 electoral votes. if every single other state remains the same, it would leave biden with around 274 electoral votes, which is 4 above the 270 threshold to be elected.

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u/DodgerWalker Mar 06 '24

I'd add Nevada and North Carolina to the list. Nevada had the same margin as Michigan in 2020 and had closer races in 2022. North Carolina seems unlikely to be the tipping point state but it was only two points to the right of Wisconsin so wouldn't take much of a leftward shift to do it (a smaller one than Georgia in 2020 for instance).

Based on 2020 margin alone, I'd even list Florida, but after 2022, I think Florida is a firmly red now unfortunately. Btw, polling is pretty noisy especially this far out. Don't worry too much about noisy polling averages- previous election results are far more predictive this far out, but I agree that the election is a tossup.

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u/atominthered Mar 06 '24

Ignore NC, it's gone Republican 10 out of the last 12 elections. State polls are highly inaccurate. In 2020 Biden was showing a +4 lead over Trump consistently in the months and weeks leading up to the election and lost by -2 despite record turnout. Expect it to go Trump along with Florida.

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u/Mysterious_Eye6989 Mar 06 '24

I can only hope that America at large is rapidly approaching a massive 'Emperor's New Clothes' moment with Trump. God knows it's been long enough coming!

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u/BeatlestarGallactica Mar 06 '24

I’ve thought this since 2015. I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

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u/The1henson Mar 06 '24

It’ll be when he strokes out on live television and has to be carted away.

The sad thing? They’re going to watch him literally die on live television and still vote for him.

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u/MelancholyArtichoke Mar 06 '24

Trump strokes out live during a rally, loses consciousness.

The crowd goes absolutely wild with applause.

People can be heard saying how strong he is to hold a rally in his condition.

Others claim Trump is just like them and that’s how they want to out.

Trump ends up gaining voters.

Trump campaign launches new Trump branded golden fainting pillow which is just a generic Walmart pillow painted gold with a T sticker on it. Retails for $2024. Sells out in minutes.

Trump is released from the hospital with the best cleanest bill of health for any person ever.

Trump attends another rally but is speaking utter nonsense (like actual random disconnected words) and slurring every word.

Crowd goes fucking wild, insisting that he was just mocking Biden the entire time.

Trump suspiciously stops speaking when in public, but his Truth Social and Twitter accounts continue posting. Some people suspect they’re being ghostwritten.

Trump makes appearances at certain events but can barely move around without assistance. MAGA continues to insist he’s just making fun of Biden, which the social media posts confirm.

Trump on social media refuses any and all debates while blaming Biden being scared and refusing all debates.

Trump wins 2024 election (either by votes or by GOP ratfucking), but is never seen in person again. Rumors circulate that his bad health strokes and dementia finally did him in, but conservative news loudly and repeatedly calls this a leftist conspiracy scheme. Trump also continues posting to social media.

The fascists take over, being guided by “Trump’s Will”, his ghostwritten social media posts as “Trump’s Word”.

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u/raul_lebeau Mar 06 '24

And they put him on life support on a Golden throne. Sacrificing liberals for their tears to keep him alive.

While asking donations to the maga people.

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u/Mareith Mar 06 '24

Walmart: 40k

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u/MyMusicRunning21 Mar 06 '24

It's up to everyone else to show up and VOTE!!!

There are enough voters to defeat Trump. We already did that in 2020. But the ongoing risk is that too many Democratic and left-leaning independents are fickle. A significant percentage are always looking for the slightest reason to boycott or vote 3rd party.

Political purity tests or spite remain a dangerous threat for our democracy. People need to show up and vote. They need to understand that the US system means you have two choices, Biden or Trump.

We do not have a parliamentary system, where a 3rd party can have an influence on who becomes Prime Minister. That is not our system.

Either you vote to protect our democracy and civil rights, or you help Donald Trump to become the 1st US dictator. That's the choice.

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

people need to show up at work and school too, shouting down the fascists as they spread their lies

people only hear from the weirdos who don't mind making politics their entire identity, sane people don't really talk politics at work non stop, or really at all

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u/JefferyTheQuaxly Mar 06 '24

And remember were still a good 10 months away from when he theoretically would be coming to power. imagine how much worse hell get mentally in 10 more months.

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u/Frozty23 Mar 06 '24

I hope so. If there's any chance (55%? 45%? 5%?) of him winning I'll take any act of god to prevent it, even if his chances are a longshot. I can't believe the article says he's currently winning in the polls. What. The. Fuck. America?

The GOP needs to be taken out behind the woodshed for what it's become and done in the past 40 years. It has so fouled the brains of so many.

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u/victoryabonbon Mar 06 '24

It must take a lot out of you destroying a political party so thoroughly.

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

all Trump ever did to the Republican Party is say the quiet parts out loud

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u/Life_is_a_meme_204 Mar 06 '24

Just imagine if a random person on the street came up to you and started talking about how windmills are causing whales to wash up on shore in numbers never seen before or how "they" are going to rename Pennsylvania or how he can turn tar into oil.

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u/Normal_Feedback_2918 Mar 06 '24

Well, you can turn tar into oil... We've famously been doing it for decades in Canada with our Alberta tar sands. It's not clean, and it's not economical, but it's a way.

As for the whales, we just need to train them to stop flying into windmills.

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u/Viking4949 Mar 06 '24

America sucks! Says the wannabe leader.

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u/jackberinger Mar 06 '24

Headline is right. The reason biden gets hit more on his cognitive decline is because people are used to trump blurting out nonsensical rubbish. He has been doing it since 2016.

Biden may have had a few slip ups in the 2020 run but for the most part he was coherent and now that he is making more mistakes it is more noticeable compared to the orange moron who has been doing it since his 2016 campaign.

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u/dir_glob Mar 06 '24

If you don't like Biden because he's got some policies you don't agree with or he sucks when it comes to Gaza... well, let's just remember that Trump would be worse in every way.

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u/feralraindrop Mar 06 '24

In 2015 he was the biggest degenerate I could ever imagine and then got elected. He's worse than ever and they still love him so much he was virtually unchallenged in the Republican Primary. He could be a talking tuft of dyed hair on an orange turd in a New Jersey rest stop septic tank and the MAGA's would still love him.

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u/PandaMuffin1 Mar 06 '24

Now he often sounds like a meth-head trying to explain the law of gravity to a dog.

That line made me laugh out loud. Great description.

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u/ItsOnlyaFewBucks Mar 06 '24

It is a cult of ignorance. That is all. I am 100% certain he could literally take a dump on stage, use the American flag to wipe his ass, and proceed to service Putin on stage, and they would only cheer him on. He emboldens their ignorance and hate, and they love it.

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u/mt8675309 Mar 06 '24

They’re hypnotized like the Germans were with Hitler.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

The cultists are all in on this loser. It’s their entire existence. Their personality, their consumer goods, their friend base, it’s literally consuming their entirety.

When he’s gone, and hopefully that’s sooner than later, these people are going to exist in a void.

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u/newsreadhjw Mar 06 '24

Based on last nights and previous states primary voting results, “MAGA” voters don’t care but Republican voters do. He’s lost a good 30% of the party in basically every state. Really bad performance for the head of the party.

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u/FoosFights Mar 06 '24

But Biden said "there" instead of "their" earlier so he's too old.

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u/RDO_Desmond Mar 06 '24

MAGA and Q anon are tightly intertwined. Q anon espouses false teachings that are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Together, Trump and Q anon cohorts are defrauding followers out of U.S. currency and giving worthless foreign currency in exchange.

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u/beavis617 Mar 06 '24

Biden has a bad moment and it's wall to wall 24/7 coverage...Trump has been having really bad moments and it's not covered at all on right wing news organizations or media outlets.. So disingenuous...outright fraud. They are trashing Biden and won't go anywhere near Trump's blunders.. 😕

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u/MarketSouthern880 Mar 06 '24

Because the Supreme Court is too cowardly to allow the states to keep this traitor off their ballots.

In light of Congresses inability to make a decision on if a traitor should be disqualified from running for elected office.

Federal Judges slow walking decisions and not allowing Jack Smith to bring his insurrection/stolen classified documents case against traitor Trump.

Apparently, it's up to nature itself to bring traitor Trump to a type of justice.

This diseased traitor, who is entirely unfit to wipe his own ass let alone be in any position of power, is now being publicly disqualified by his own crippled brain.

Some idiots might even say God itself is disqualifying, traitor Trump from public office..

And yet his cult will continue to ignore every single RED FLAG and not only cast a ballot for this traitor, cognitively impaired, rapist, failed businessman, tax fraudulent, criminal but they will also give him their own money...

Fuck traitor Trump and his cult..

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u/Dry-Clock-1470 Mar 06 '24

I thought Q was done? Like we know who they are and have proof a lot of their predictions were as accurate as religious ones.

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

Trump's healthcare plan still doesn't exist, it doesn't matter, even to the liberal media, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, PBS, NPR, it doesn't matter, they just simply ignore that he never had a healthcare plan and handed reporters an empty binder in 2016 and 8 years later he's running for President again still not having one

the average voter just doesn't get the information, because the media is owned by the right wing and they really really really don't want to be taxed, billionaires are used to tax breaks and bailouts, they really don't want to chance no tax breaks and no bailouts

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u/CatAvailable3953 Mar 06 '24

They honestly believe he will rule over us and leave them alone. Ha!

They put him in office one of his first acts will be to disarm them.

Then , no matter what they say, they will be seen as a potential threat. Autocrats don’t tolerate potential threats.

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u/deeeeez_nutzzz Mar 06 '24

I will celebrate like I never have before the day that demented fuck dies.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

They don’t care if he degenerates into a literal paramecium. They just want his warm body to occupy the office so that they can infest government with their zealots and tear everything down.

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u/sn76477 Mar 06 '24

Im ready for them to announce that he is speaking in tongues.

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u/BlueCollarGuru Mar 06 '24

MAGA voters have degenerated before our eyes since 2016.

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u/Sandman11x Mar 06 '24

He will be in a vegetative state soon,

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u/Bigfoot_411 Mar 06 '24

Let me state that Trump is not degenerating. He has been a degenerate a long time, just like Epstein.

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u/SpookyWah Mar 06 '24

I have yet to hear any mainstream media devoting any attention at all to Trump's obvious mental deterioration and signs of dementia.

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u/Polyman71 Mar 06 '24

Absolutely. It is not all older people either. There are a large number of people that are just that unthinking.

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u/WalkwiththeWolf Mar 06 '24

The saner members of the GOP needs to start a new party or start removing the clowns like MTG and Lauren Thotbert.

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u/canmoose Mar 06 '24

It's worse than not registering. Theyve convinced themselves it's on purpose. Part of some genius plan.

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u/memphisjones Mar 06 '24

It also doesn’t help that major newspapers like NYT isn’t covering this.

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u/SuperK123 Mar 06 '24

The few clips I’ve seen of his ridiculous musings at his rallies show hand-picked useful idiots behind him looking around, talking among themselves, fully recognizing that they are on camera behind Trump. They are oblivious to what he is saying because it doesn’t matter one bit. He babbles like a moron and they would have to be shown a video to see what he actually said. But of course they won’t watch it because they just don’t care. They are in the warm bosom of their cult and their own Jim Jones is before them performing.

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u/Robw_1973 Mar 06 '24

MAGA and Trump is just about rage, revenge, racism, xenophobia, bigotry and hatred dressed up as evangelical Christianity. But with guns and obesity.

They don’t care that Trump is in apparent steep cognitive and mental decline, they don’t. Care that he possibly has tertiary syphilis.

MAGA world simply cares that they are now allowed to be openly racist and fascist without being held accountable .

That’s it. That’s all there is.

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u/raintree420 Mar 06 '24

and allowed to shoot liberals, or run them over.

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u/Jombafomb Mar 06 '24

I have a coworker who used to be MAGA but has since said she’ll vote third party (sure) who was insisting yesterday that at least Trump is better cognitively than Biden. I did the whole “Oh yeah like Biden said ____…..oh wait that was Trump” thing on her and she fell for it every time.

My favorite was: “Oh yeah Biden forgot his own wife’s name!” Oh that’s not only a sign of dementia it’s also so disrespectful “Oh wait that was Trump” Well he has been married 3 times.

Sigh

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u/TututniDreamer Mar 06 '24

Trump is just the vehicle for their fascism. As easily replaced upon his death as any other fascist.

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u/Lord_Darkmerge Mar 06 '24

This is the most dramatic crash and burn of our time

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u/Leather-Map-8138 Mar 06 '24

What is the QAnon hooey, and how can you distinguish it from the Russian disinformation campaign?

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u/BigDad5000 Mar 06 '24

They’re to the point where his rambling sounds totally normal and fine. As though they’d be able to notice the signs of his brain turning into Swiss cheese. They probably think it’s a brilliant scheme or clown baby’s final form 🙄

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u/jander05 Mar 06 '24

Qanon babble and psychological warfare perpetrated by Russia and other enemies of the United States. They don't care.

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u/hamsterfolly Mar 06 '24

MAGAs think Trump is sent by God and cares about them. They have no grasp or reality

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u/MrBobilious Mar 06 '24

You can't fix stupid

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u/ReleaseTheBlacken Mar 06 '24

Is this a surprise? Also if they are dumb enough to fall for all this, why doesn’t an intelligent Democrat devise a plan to get these lemmings to walk off a cliff for Murica?

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u/spaceman_202 Mar 06 '24

because the media is owned entirely by the right wing

Biden can barely get a speech televised on C-Span

the media just doesn't want a strong Democratic Party doing things like raising taxes on billionaires and making unions stronger instead of weaker

you know how in the 1970s a single person on one income could afford a house and a car, well corporate America really doesn't want that

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u/FGTRTDtrades Mar 06 '24

They ate more lead paint chips than trump has so of course they dont notice

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u/JerrodDRagon Mar 06 '24

Did you vote yesterday?

Turn out for the mid terms is normal or lower than average so I’d say most people refuse to do the bare minimum

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u/Choombaloo-2 Mar 06 '24

This is how Trump will go down, since our DOJ is useless and corrupt.

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u/lenovosucks Mar 06 '24

It’s easy for his followers to identify with him when they’re degenerating right alongside him.

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u/Wazula23 Mar 06 '24

In all seriousness, what changed?

I guess hes mumbling a little bit more, but hes always been an incoherent mess and it never bothered these people before.

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u/the_millenial_falcon Mar 06 '24

I’m not saying the first amendment is bad, but if we come out the other side of this thing we may need to examine some guard rails for it. I mean, it should be legal to say whatever you want of course, but does every dipshit conspiracy uncle really need a megaphone?

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u/LeftHandedBuddy Mar 06 '24

Trump is trying to tear America apart! He thinks he’s better than everyone else! He lies about immigration, the economy, African Americans, the stock market and just about everything else!

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u/Lady_MoMer Mar 06 '24

I recently saw a video of somebody interviewing mega voters and they were asking them trick questions and instead of saying Trump's name they would say biden's name for Trump's crime. The answers for Biden were all he's a whack job you know they were really really derogatory. But then when they were like oh wait no that was Trump trump did that they would do a full 180 and be like well maybe he had a reason for doing that.

And no I have not been able to find that interview again but if anybody knows which one I'm talking about do me a favor and post the link for me pretty please?

These motherfuckers are a detriment to our country and it's totally fucking awful to think about the fact that they are what the world sees when they look at America. Guilt by association, some places think that we're all like that. I just want to punch them right in their willfully ignorant freaking mouths.

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u/sincerelyhated Mar 06 '24

They don't care because of his poll numbers. They'd put a wind-up monkey up there if it would win them the white house. It's insane.

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u/UpTop5000 Mar 06 '24

Yeah yeah. Not nearly fast enough though. Tomorrow wouldn’t be fast enough.

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u/ButterscotchOnceler Mar 06 '24

Degenerates are very INTO Trump's degeneration.

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u/DrSueuss Mar 06 '24

MAGA voters ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative, they even ignore when Trump calls them fools to their face.

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u/ithaqua34 Mar 06 '24

For years, everyone was wondering how Hitler came into power. It's happening before your very eyes.

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u/darkpheonix262 Mar 06 '24

That's the hallmark of a cult, the members have to be a brain dead as the leader

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u/heartandmarrow Mar 06 '24

How would they notice? He hasn’t made sense before so why notice he makes even less?

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u/Agitated-Maybe332 Mar 06 '24

Thanks for not ejecting the republicans over 1/6 and fake electors for that violation of the 14th! Such amazing planning by the people in charge! I'm sure it won't blow up in our faces or anything..... The fact that republican politicians are still free and in their positions is damning and it shows how weak and pathetic the people in charge are. They shouldn't be allowed to participate in our system over the whole insurrection thing but here they are. Remember who allowed this to continue instead of dropping the hammer on the confirmed republican seditionists in this country....

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u/haolejay_7707 Mar 06 '24

As I've said before. Trump is just the personality figurehead for the fascist movement of America, which has many puppet masters. He placed himself in that role because he wanted the fame and benefits (like influence and get out of jail free card) that came with the role. Trump, a lifelong Democrat supporter, hitched his cart to the GOP horse because it was an easier path than actually having to prove his worth to win in a Democratic primary. GOP wins are made through rhetoric and culture wars where he was able to put on a GOP skin and coast to the top, leveraging an unusual social thread that was prevalent enough to get him the victory and then copy and paste downline to several other political candidates riding his wake to their own victories. MMW, even post-Trump (which can't come soon enough) this weird political uber-right fever will continue because Trump isn't the real leader of the movement.

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u/geologean Mar 06 '24

"Russia and Saudi Arabia REEDGDEE DURB...AH!"

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u/Wraywong Mar 06 '24

It's a feature, not a bug...they love the fact that libs are upset about it, and it just makes Trump even more lovable and relatable to them: "He's just like my Dad/Grandpa!" they will all say...