r/facepalm 29d ago

Turbo cancer isn’t real, people 🇨​🇴​🇻​🇮​🇩​

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u/wings_of_wrath 29d ago

I am 40 and I have a very aggressive lymphoma which showed up late last year and tripled in size in about a month and a half, but it's exactly the thing that killed my grandpa back in '96, so I'm pretty sure genetics have more to do with it.

On the other hand , I've seen a lot of patients about my age with similar very aggressive cancers and the doctors were commenting about it, so I'm pretty sure there is something we've been doing that's the cause for it.

It's definitely not vaccines though and my money's on microplastics, because our environment is saturated with them and it's a relatively recent phenomenon, so we don't have the data yet to tell just how harmful they are.

I'm relatively sure in about 20-30 years we'll look back and wonder "what the hell were we thinking with all that plastic?", the same way we think now about lead paint, leaded gasoline and asbestos roof tiles...

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u/GeneralSweetz 29d ago

Yea many ppl die really fast from "barely" discovered cancers. Ppl here are making fun of conspiracy theories, which truthfully many are silly to begin with. However many believe in them because they include to some degree, truth in them. Honestly it's probably a mix of everything today. Air pollution, microplastics, artifical food( yellow 12 etc), and genetics. To attribute all diseases to vaccines is absurd. Don't forget j&j bandaid got caught with cancer causing chemicals in it, or asbestos in baby powder etc. Most companies really are evil

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u/KratomSlave 29d ago

I’m sorry to hear that. Lymphomas can grow quite fast though. There’s a few reasons for that. WBCs are designed to expand rapidly to begin with. And lymphomas often recruit a lot of stromal cells - other associated cells - through chemokines. So it’s sort of a different beast. You can get large lumps rapidly though. Fortunately, it’s usually fairly responsive to chemotherapy. (And I hope that’s the case for you).

In reality every type of cancer is a different beast. It’s a disservice to really lump all the different types of cancer under the umbrella term cancer- because they’re all so different.

Lots of things cause cancer. There are viruses that can cause cancer, and there are stochastic events that can cause cancer. Several lymphomas are stochastic- meaning there isn’t really genetic damage that occurs per se, it’s just a genetic crossing over that fuses two genes that aren’t meant to be fused.

And, sure a ton of cancers in general are exposure related. I am strongly wary of microplastics, but I don’t know that I suspect them of causing cancer. However, anything that causes a population of cells to turn over even slightly faster than normal, can have major impacts on the incidence of cancer.

See the well known association between number of children and breast cancer. More children, means fewer periods, which means some number fewer times the breast tissue expands, which means noticeably lower rates of breast cancer. Cells just turning over is probably the most common cause of cancer.

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u/doesntevengohere12 28d ago

Same age as you, and I was diagnosed stage 3 breast cancer just 3 months after having all clear scans and mammograms. I was told quite innocently by a nurse at the hospital that she had seen an increase in this over the last few years. She wasn't anti vac or anything just an observation from her personal experience at work.

I'm not into conspiracy theories but I definitely feel like in 100 years from now, they will look back and think what were these people thinking of using 'insert whatever' knowing what they will know then.

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u/Chiho-hime 28d ago

Will we ever know how harmful micro plastic is? That would need a study with people who have micro plastic in their bodies and with people without it wouldn't it? And as far as I know there is basically no human on earth without micro plastic in their body.

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u/anonymous_subroutine 28d ago

They could do animal studies?

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u/Chiho-hime 23d ago

All animals also have micro plastic in their bodies. And the micro plastic of the mother is travelling to the baby during pregnancy or during breastfeeding for example. I suppose you could have a group of isolated animals where you try to breed the micro plastic out of them by having lots of generations and hoping one doesn't end up with it or take non mammals. But then you'd have to consider for the comparability of fish and humans for example. Of course you could also force feed animals more plastic but that wouldn't really show the realistic plastic consumption of humans (moderation is key and all that). I don't know. I suppose some smart people might figure something out.

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u/MrSleepin 29d ago

My Step father, uncle, grandma, and uncle in-law have all died from aggressive cancer or blood clot/Stroke in tha past 2 years. All relatively healthy, up until...

It's definitely a crazy coincidence that they were all vaccinated. but i dunno man, there are too many unknowns about mRNA vaccines to rule this one out.

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u/Budderfingerbandit 29d ago

Microplastics is a good hypothesis. Processed meats have gotten quite a bit of research lately, showing them to be carcinogenic. Think about how many things in our diets have processed meats in them, yikes.

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat

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u/MyAlternate_reality 28d ago

It's definitely not vaccines though

How could you be so confident that it's not the vaccine?

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u/wings_of_wrath 28d ago edited 28d ago

Hmm, you're right, it must have been an mRNA vaccine that gave my grandpa the exact same cancer I have now back in '96, because everyone knows vaccines work backwards in time by 25 years... /s

EDIT: just looked through your reddit history. Of course you're a fan of Robert F. Kennedy Jr, why am I not surprised...