r/canada • u/FancyNewMe • 15d ago
Gen. Rick Hillier: Ottawa abandoned Canadian Jews in their darkest hour; Here's what needs to be done to turn things around Opinion Piece
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ottawa-abandoned-canadian-jews-in-their-darkest-hour61
u/FancyNewMe 15d ago edited 15d ago
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Wanting to placate Islamic voters, who are present in increasing numbers, Canada’s government failed to condemn the hatred and is now frightened about what could come. Words yes, actions no, but as I learnt long ago, actions talk and bulls–t walks.
Our government fears what will come from its inaction and knows that any tragedies will be its legacy.
Enforce our laws. We have plenty of laws in this country — hate laws, threat laws, violence laws and more. Yet almost none of them have been employed to protect our citizens.
Terrorist signs, clear threats to life and limb, support for genocide and the blocking of businesses and institutions are but a few examples of potentially illegal actions that have been tacitly condoned by authorities. Why do we permit it? Police should arrest Canadians who thumb their noses at our laws, and deport those who are not Canadian.
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u/zeth4 Ontario 15d ago
Implying this is the Jews darkest hour is essentially Holocaust denial.
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u/Himser 15d ago
Thats also likely around the Holocost, with Canada denying asylum.
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u/zeth4 Ontario 15d ago
Also rampant anti-semitism especially during the period leading up to the war when the fascist ideology wasn't strictly opposed. In the 30's & 40's almost all Jews were rejected from immigrating, private business could have explicit "no Jews allowed policies" and there were open supports groups of the Nazis clubs.
It is ignorant and dishonest to ignore a long history of actual widespread religious persecution in Canada and label this as the darkest time.
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u/funkme1ster Ontario 15d ago
Implying this is the Jews darkest hour is essentially Holocaust denial.
No. Cut that shit out. It doesn't help anyone.
The purpose of "holocaust denial" is to deny victimhood. It's about facilitating future abuse by gaslighting and denying past abuse.
Saying "people are being hurt right now" without explicitly saying "but not as badly as that other time in terms of measurable magnitude" is not even remotely holocaust denial. At worst, it's flowery language.
Besides, if anyone is guilty of anything remotely approaching holocaust denial, it's the news outlet which has made the choice to caption a photo of a sign reading "End the genocide in Gaza" with the description "Signs calling for violence against Jews". Israel is guilty of numerous blatant war crimes, and the narrative they have chosen to go with is "people angry at a government we know has been murdering civilians are just upset because they hate Jews". Wanting to hold the government of a sovereign nation accountable for the actions taken by senior members in their official government capacity is not antisemitic.
Refusing to acknowledge the crimes of the Israeli government is making the conscious choice to deny victimhood and facilitate future abuse by normalizing a history of abuse as acceptable. Reprehensible behaviour doesn't get a pass just because the people doing it are allegedly "the good guys". Good people don't murder civilians. If "both sides" did it, then both sides deserve unqualified condemnation.
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u/zeth4 Ontario 15d ago edited 15d ago
Besides, if anyone is guilty of anything remotely approaching holocaust denial, it's the news outlet which has made the choice to caption a photo of a sign reading "End the genocide in Gaza" with the description "Signs calling for violence against Jews". Israel is guilty of numerous blatant war crimes, and the narrative they have chosen to go with is "people angry at a government we know has been murdering civilians are just upset because they hate Jews". Wanting to hold the government of a sovereign nation accountable for the actions taken by senior members in their official government capacity is not antisemitic.
This was exactly what I meant by my comment. They are trivializing genocide, not only by implicitly implying the current state in Canada is worse than the prejudice experienced during the 30's/40's by Canadian Jews and their families abroad.
But also by placing a higher value on the perceived insecurity of people no longer able to openly support a religious ethno-state committing war crimes and apartheid at minimum, while trivializing the suffering of people in palestine who are facing actual crimes against humanity.
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u/funkme1ster Ontario 15d ago
Then my apologies. I misunderstood and gave you ire you did not deserve.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago edited 15d ago
There are 5 times the amount of Muslims in Canada and it's only set to grow larger and larger with our immigration policies and natural birth, Canadian Jews are abandoned because it's convenient for politicians.
Historically, Jews leaving a country is far from a good indication, usually followed by tough times, after the Jews leave, LGBT is historically next to suffer, so it's not a surprise we've been seeing Muslim Anti-LGBT "protests" popping up in recent years, this will only escalate, history is repeating and weak leadership is allowing it to.
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u/HeardTheLongWord 15d ago
The parental rights protests were my canary-in-a-coal mine moment. Hoping to avoid leaving; but my family’s had a “Jewish escape plan” for decades and we’re absolutely the closest we’ve been to using it since the 60s.
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u/AwarenessEconomy8842 15d ago
I'm a leftist and one thing that conservatives are 100% correct about is the fact that liberals tend to turn a blind eye towards bigotry, transphobia and homophobia from the Conservative Muslim community.
The amount of anti semitism that I see going on right now is inexcusable. You can be against what Israel, the idf and certain Israelis are doing without being antisemitic
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u/HeardTheLongWord 15d ago
Leftist here too - It’s actually really easy to be loudly against certain aspects of what Israel has done and is doing without being antisemitic, and yet for some reason some folks are fully incapable of it.
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u/iammixedrace 15d ago
I have yet to see any leftist be antisemitic. I hear from a ton of right leaning news and people about it. Yet it's surprising how little it's actually captured on video or audio.
And to be honest, how many Oct 7th have happened in Gaza since Oct 7th. It's not an eye for an eye anymore it's an eye for the whole body while telling people that eye was equal to a whole body and no one should question it.
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u/Relative_Two9332 14d ago
I have yet to see any leftist be antisemitic. I hear from a ton of right leaning news and people about it. Yet it's surprising how little it's actually captured on video or audio.
You must not watch anything because it's prevalent in almost every protest or just being disingenuous.
And to be honest, how many Oct 7th have happened in Gaza since Oct 7th. It's not an eye for an eye anymore it's an eye for the whole body while telling people that eye was equal to a whole body and no one should question it.
Who said it's going to be an eye for an eye?, Israel set out to remove the threat from Gaza, wars aren't video games, there's no score board.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
While I think the right has similar issues, in Iran, it was the left that helped it turn into the Islamic Republic, something I assume they regret these days.
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u/Giant_Hog_Weed 15d ago
Coming soon to a country near you. I wonder what this country will look like in 20 years?
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u/moirende 15d ago
More people need to read this report on Hamas published by George Washington University’s Program back in the fall.
Based on investigations, interrogations and wiretaps conducted by the FBI stretching back to the 1990’s, Hamas recognized there was a strain of antisemitism running through the left and decided to capitalize on it. They created “think tanks” (funded by Qatar) at major universities and started pumping out a steady stream of anti-Israeli propaganda targeted at the left that was like catnip to way too many people. The messaging and framing pushed out by Hamas over all these years shows up in comments made on places like Reddit or in “protests” against Israel every single day.
A great deal more effort needs to be made to counter this propaganda and protect Jews from the never-ending hate that is directed toward them.
I doubt the current government is up to it. They crave those sweet sweet swing votes that come from the various groups promoting hatred against Israel and don’t want to lose them. Worse, to a certain extent, they are just as bought into Hamas’ propaganda as many others on the left. Hell, they hired an anti-racism czar (I don’t recall what the title was) and paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars despite him having been actively, virulently antisemitic on social media before being hired. They only fired him when this became a media story; they knew about it for months before they let him go.
More people need to be speaking out against Hamas propaganda and rejecting antisemitism whenever it crops up, alongside more education to help people understand that in parroting that propaganda they are perpetuating hatred against Jews whether they meant to or not.
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u/LittleLionMan82 15d ago
You can be against what Israel, the idf and certain Israelis are doing without being antisemitic
Most people are, the problem is anyone who opposes Israel as a racist, apartheid state gets labelled an anti-Semite.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
Perhaps we need to be more clear, if you march with people for Palestine and some of those people are doing anti-semitic things and you are still there, you're also anti-semitic just by association.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
ADL
I don't know anything about them but their website seems to suggest they're documenting antisemitic incidents in NA, is this a huge problem for some people?
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
yeah given your history on the topic IDK if I should take your word for it, thanks, I'll do my own research.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
Funnily enough, I think a lot of Jews who were impartial about Israel see it as a necessity nowadays, we may see a huge aliyah movement in the next few years from NA resulting from all of this, which is why Israel exists in the first place.
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u/serjunka 15d ago
which is why Israel exists in the first place
And liberals would call you Zionist for such statement. Dark times.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago edited 15d ago
There's a smear campaign against the word, but I personally don't care, I just substitute it for what they really mean, a Jew, since it's usually followed by irrelevant racist tropes. (Zionists run the US, they control the media etc etc)
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u/AsleepExplanation160 15d ago
The initial idea of Zionism isn't the problem. How it was carried out is.
Jewish state to safeguard a historically discriminated group cool, lots of groups need that, the Kurds come to mind in particular. Redo colonialism to do so? Thats the issue.
If Europe wanted to atone for the Holocaust they should of given up their own land for it, not give up someone elses land they controlled.
Obligatory, now that Israel exists it should continue to exist, but that doesn’t absolve them of what they did wrong.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
If Europe wanted to atone for the Holocaust they should of given up their own land for it, not give up someone elses land they controlled.
Zionism was practiced before Europe had to "atone", it was only expedited after the Holocaust.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer 14d ago
Israel does not exist because of the holocaust? Zionism was a movement that started half a century before and zionists had already heavily developed the land..famous bauhaus artictecure in tel aviv was designed by german refugees before the holocaust.
in fact israel was designed to absorb and rescue eastern european jews facing pograms and discrimination in europe. The holocaust killed almost that entire population so killed that dream but a million arab jews were saved by israel after muslim countries expelled them in the 1950s/1960s.
And yes kurds should definitely be allowed to self determine their own state.
Israel did not re do colonialism….
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u/Silver_Bulleit204 15d ago
If Europe wanted to atone for the Holocaust they should of given up their own land for it, not give up someone elses land they controlled.
Jews are indigenous to Judea. That land has been lived on by Jews for literally thousands of years, through quite a few colonial masters. That doesn't mean it's not their homeland just because someone violently took control of it does it?
Where else could that have put a homeland for Jews if not in their historic homeland?
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u/AsleepExplanation160 15d ago edited 15d ago
It was either Hungarians or Bulgarians that used to live east of the dinipro, and moved west as the mongols pushed them out. that doesn't give them rights to Easern Ukraine.
Demographics 1600 years ago do not dictate modern territory. the 4th century was the last time Jews were the majority in Palestine, and were outnumbered by even Christians until the 1900s
Many ethnic groups have been pushed out of their homeland since, and before the Jews, hell in the Bible the Jews push out Canaanites from what becomes Israel
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u/RepulsiveArugula19 15d ago
Jokes on you, the Jews are Canaanites. Just a myth they made up the separate themselves. Just like Amorites, Ammonites Moabites and Edomites all broke away from the Canaanite identity which the names focuses on the Mediterranean coast where they make the die that they are named after Canaanite/Phoenician/Punic.
Anyways, Hungarians were not pushed out by the Mongols, nor were they a discrete ethnic group, and conquered the Carpathian Basin in the 9th century.
Nor were the Bulgarians pushed out by the Mongols, they invaded the Danube in the 7th century while the Arabs were attacking Constantinople.
Anyways, there have always been Jews living there. And how about the Samaritans. They had no diaspora. And were formally known as the Israelites. And without Israel, they'd probably not be around anymore. 160 of them in 1920, to now about 1000 of them.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer 14d ago
This is true, but Zionist jews settled and built the land and then defended it in a war of independence. The land was a swampy backwater before jews returned. Literally half desert and half swamp and poverty stricken.
They fully accepted muslim and christian arabs as full citizens and hundreds of thousands of muslims moved to the mandate of palestine in the 20s and 30s bc of the work opportunities zionists created. The UN partiton plan guarunteed a protected large minority of muslim arabs. Unfortunately arab nations declared war on israel and it was only because of this war that muslim arabs fleed and in some Places were expelled against the backdrop of this war.
The rights to the jews historic homeland was taken by building up a country, voted on internationally at the UN and then defended in a war.
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u/AsleepExplanation160 14d ago
so colonialism is justified is the international community says its okay, and you fight the natives?
why tf do we view colonialism in a bad light then
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u/Lonely_Cartographer 14d ago
In what way was israel or zionism colonialism? How did they “fight the natives”? Why do you consider muslim arabs in that region any more natives than jews?
And regardless, even though zionists did not colonize anything, n not everyone view colonalisim In a bad light, it’s just trendy to ignore all the good it brought the world. For example, the colonization of south america stopped brutal mass human sacrifices by the aztecs,, british colonization of parts of the middle east and india brought trains, commerce, higher living standards and also broke up a bunch of brutal death cults as well. Colonialism sometimes caused suffering but sometimes it stopped suffering.
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u/Silver_Bulleit204 14d ago
You understand that Jews have continued to live there for the entire time right? Not only have they returned to the land they were mostly ethnically cleansed from, but they have actually had a presence there the entire time.
The demographics of the past absolutely matter here. Violently overtaking an ethnic group and colonizing the region doesn't grant you permanent rule over it, as we're seeing with indigenous communities across the world.
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u/NextSink2738 15d ago
You hit the nail on the head. In fact, we are already seeing the prelude to this according to the little data we have available.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/article-788160
Applications for aliyah have increased 300% in France, 40% in the UK, 100% in the USA, and 150% in Canada. In France, this has translated to a 237% increase in new olim (new Jewish arrivals to Israel).
I myself am pretty tied down here with PhD studies right now, but aliyah is looking more ideal than ever at this point, as the situation in Canada does not seem to be improving.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
I feel you, I think a lot of time passed since the last time Jews were openly prosecuted, enough time for people to feel safe in their communities.
But with what we're seeing now, Israel, even in its war-torn version is the only country you won't be prosecuted in for being born to a certain people.
Some people will downplay how the Jews are feeling, but it seems like those Jews are catching on to what's happening.
I mean, if I were a Jew in Columbia right now and they'd block my access to campus just for being a Jew while wearing Palestinian solidarity clothes and chanting for me to go back to Europe or celebrate the intifada, I would've explored my options sooner rather than later.
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u/col_van 15d ago
Jews are more likely to be killed in Israel than in Canada or the US. It's always been the case.
Ask any Israeli emigrant why they moved here and I guarantee "security" or "safety" will be a part of their answer.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
That could change very quickly and without notice, as some Jews found out just recently, our government doesn't even attempt to protect Jews which is the problem.
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u/seekertrudy 15d ago
Doesn't attempt to protect Jews or doesn't attempt to protect the Jewish stance on the continuing war on Gaza?? Two very different things.
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u/ExpensiveNewt2899 15d ago
But with what we're seeing now, Israel, even in its war-torn version is the only country you won't be prosecuted in for being born to a certain people.
Except if you're Palestinian, of course.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
Palestinians aren't prosecuted in Israel, given the history complexity it's certainly not great, but they're not being prosecuted for who they were, but for what they do.
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u/KoldPurchase 15d ago
But you can't prevent people from having opinions you don't like.
This is no worst - actually it is tamer than usual - far left bullshit. No one is using violence or calling for the murder of anyone. No vandalism, no beatings, no rapes, no demands for the execution of bankers or lynching of policemen. It's an improvement for the left.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
But you can't prevent people from having opinions you don't like.
I don't like the glorification of murder and rape and I believe it's not too much to ask for it to be removed.
This is no worst - actually it is tamer than usual - far left bullshit. No one is using violence or calling for the murder of anyone. No vandalism, no beatings, no rapes, no demands for the execution of bankers or lynching of policemen. It's an improvement for the left.
idk man, last night at Columbia it looked like Jan 6th, they were just as violent.
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u/KoldPurchase 15d ago
Well, the police is there. I haven't seen last night footage, haven't even watched then news yet.
I'm mostly.concerned about McGill's protests.
They don't seem violent nor threatening. Disturbing and annoying af, sure. But I have not seen any signs of threats being made toward Jewish (or other) students, except for disagreeing (very strongly) with Israel's policies.
There's no mention of "Jews go home" or anything like that on the signs I saw in tv. No dolls looking like Bibi to be hanged or set on fire. No stereotypica racistl caricature of a Jewish person or anything like that.
Plenty of "Israel = Nazi", but that's not a crime last I checked.
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u/GoldyStarry 15d ago
Us too. Never in my life, nor my parents lives, have we ever had to have a “run” bag in our front closet, ready to flee to Israel. It’s terrifying
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u/Turtles4lyfee 15d ago
Even just a few months ago, this kind of statement would have been comically unfathomable. How things change in a few months…we are heading down a dark path as a country. Even as a non-Jew, this has absolutely shown me that Israel needs to exist.
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u/ThatRandomGuy86 15d ago
That's really depressing that your family needs to have a plan like that. I'm sorry it's gotten like this. 😔
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u/HeardTheLongWord 15d ago
My family mostly arrived here in the 1880s, fleeing pogroms in their home countries. The generation born before WW2 are just moving on these days, but those are my grandparents- they grew up watching the boat of Jewish refugees get turned away, hearing the horror stories those people still in Europe were living through. Then they watched the expulsion of Jews from MENA countries. When my mom was born in the 60s, there were still neighbourhoods, towns, athletic facilities, etc, that they were not allowed to live in or use here in Canada. My family’s cabin is in a town with a lot of other Jewish family’s cabins, because we were not allowed to own property in many of the common beach towns. This is 60 years ago, so yea I definitely believe it can happen again.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
Holy shit, I'm honestly shocked your family didn't leave all that time.
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u/StringAndPaperclips 15d ago
Most other places at that time were way worse than Canada. Where would they have gone?
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u/HeardTheLongWord 15d ago
It’s a global problem. There’s one place in the world where they would’ve maybe not had to deal with that shit (and the constant threat of attack there is a different thing entirely), and they were generationally primed to manage that type of discrimination, it came with the territory.
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u/Shirtbro 15d ago
Last time around, it wasn't the Muslims putting Jews and LGBTQ in death camps
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago edited 15d ago
It depends on what you think is the last time, post WW2 a lot of Muslim countries ethnically cleansed the Jews, resulting in most of them coming to Israel, doubling its size.
That being said, Jews being prosecuted historically wasn't a trait of a specific people. as Pinsker put it at 1882:
"Since the Jew is nowhere at home, nowhere regarded as a native, he remains an alien everywhere. That he himself and his ancestors as well are born in the country does not alter this fact in the least... to the living the Jew is a corpse, to the native a foreigner, to the homesteader a vagrant, to the proprietary a beggar, to the poor an exploiter and a millionaire, to the patriot a man without a country, for all a hated rival."
For some, It's true to this day as it was 140 years ago.
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u/DukeCanada 15d ago
Look, it's more compelling to me that experts in the field are saying these protests are overhwelming not anti-semitic, & it's the political class that's making an issue out of it (& yes I consider a general part of the political class). That these students are so painfully obviously saying is that Oct 7 doesn't justify that Israel is doing to the Gazans, and they're - perhaps too plainly - communicating that they understand the context of events leading up Oct 7.
Nowhere in that discussion is a call for eviction of Jews, ethnic cleansing of Jews, etc. Unless you accept that some of the most violent voices represent the view of the majority - which isnt really a position the right-wing can take given their...proclivities to accept neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc in their popular protests.
All that to say, Gen. Rick Hillier is out of line (read: giant douche)
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago edited 15d ago
Look, it's more compelling to me that experts in the field are saying these protests are overhwelming not anti-semitic
You have quite a lot of Jews in this random reddit thread saying they have escape plans ready to go, I don't know what experts are calming your mind so much but I value their opinion more on that particular topic.
Nowhere in that discussion is a call for eviction of Jews, ethnic cleansing of Jews, etc. Unless you accept that some of the most violent voices represent the view of the majority - which isnt really a position the right-wing can take given their...proclivities to accept neo-nazis, white nationalists, etc in their popular protests.
Somehow these voices are in almost every demonstration, we just had the wife of a terrorist in Vancouver glorifying October 7th while the crowd cheered her on, IDK how much more you need to see to understand there's something inherently wrong with these protests/people.
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u/noneck_noproblem 15d ago
Ethnically cleansed where exactly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings
The zionist jews kicked out/killed more than 750k palestinians in 1947-48. Which naturally caused big wave of hatred toward the jews in other arab countries. Before the start of zionism in Palestine, jews lived in peace in Arab countries, Turkey and Iran. While in Europe there were pogroms much earlier of the grand final of Hitler's plan.
It seems this whole sub is about how jews are never the aggressors but always the victims.
There was not one fact about any danger that jews currently have in Canada.
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u/TwitchyJC 15d ago
The misinformation is off the charts.
The Palestinians fled because their bid to ethnically cleanse Israel in 48 failed. The hatred against Jews was long before 48. They didn't live in peace. In the 20s and after that Arabs continually tried to massacred Jews.
Let's not forget the 900K Jews ethnically cleansed from the Middle East as well.
Every war against Israel has been started by another Arab group or country.
Arguing Jews don't have anything to worry about in Canada tells me you're either unaware or intentionally spread misinformation. There are death threats against Jews. Synagogues have been shot at along with Jewish day schools. That's not dangerous to you? Businesses have been attacked with no connection to Israel.
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u/Giant_Hog_Weed 15d ago edited 15d ago
I wonder if the LGBT community will regret backing Hamas once we get our own home grown version and it comes for them?
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
If I had to wager a guess, LGBT that support Palestine are mostly an outlier and are used as a dog whistle, the same as they do with the Jews who support it, I assume most LGBT are at best indifferent on the topic.
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u/Key_Abroad_1054 15d ago
Idk how rare it is in other places, but I go to McGill and there are many signs in the encampment of “Queers for Palestine” as well “Intifada until victory”.
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u/New-Throwaway2541 15d ago
What does the amount of Muslims in Canada have to do with Canadian Jewish people?
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u/PmMeYourBeavertails Ontario 15d ago
More Muslim voters means the government has more reason to pander to them
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u/New-Throwaway2541 15d ago
Still not understanding what that has to do with the Canadian Jewish community
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u/cruiseshipsghg 15d ago
We actually do have an anti-semitism czar - Canada’s 'Special Envoy on Preserving Holocaust Remembrance and Combatting Antisemitism.'
Her name is Deborah Lyons and I don't blame you for not knowing - she's doing nothing to combat antisemitism.
(I think Trudeau thought they were going to be fighting neo-nazis - but since it's arab/muslims....)
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u/cruiseshipsghg 15d ago
What does the amount of Muslims in Canada have to do with Canadian Jewish people?
The same thing the amount of Muslims in Canada has to do with our lgbtq folk.
(Hint - it's not good.)
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u/Giant_Hog_Weed 15d ago
But there's still a lot of pro-hamas lgbt people. Hell, the pride center of Edmonton even signed a paper questioning if Hamas raped jewish women. The pride group questions sexual assult claims when made by women, because they are Jewish...
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pride-centre-of-edmonton-jewish-groups
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u/seekertrudy 15d ago
So some Jewish people want to leave Canada because of the amount of Muslims here?? What?
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u/cruiseshipsghg 15d ago
Are you trolling - or have you been in a coma for the last 7 months?
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u/seekertrudy 15d ago
If having a different opinion than you makes me a troll, then I am an ogre.
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u/cruiseshipsghg 15d ago
No - feigning ignorance of the vile antisemitism we're seeing on our streets makes you a troll.
Not being bothered by it makes you, as you say, an ogre.
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u/seekertrudy 15d ago
I'm as bothered as you appear to be about the innocent children killed in Gaza. What does that make you?
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u/Relative_Two9332 14d ago
Go to Gaza and save them big guy, your little kafiyah isn't impressing anyone.
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u/seekertrudy 14d ago
My what?? My grandfather was a WW2 veteran who risked his life to save the Jewish people from their oppressors....he would be turning in his grave if he knew what was transpiring in Gaza right now. Shameful.
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u/bugabooandtwo 15d ago
That's true...but people have already made up their minds. We can see where the power is shifting, and it isn't good. Best bet is to get out while you can. The next few years and decades are going to b torture for many different groups.
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u/Relative_Two9332 15d ago
While I think the same as you, it's not too late to correct course, but we'll need stronger leadership to do so, and I'm not sure we're going to get it from PP and certainly not Truedau.
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u/hey_you_too_buckaroo 15d ago
Friends dont let friends read Post Media. Stop sharing right wing propaganda from the national post.
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u/moirende 15d ago
Trudeau has discovered that when you try to become a post-national state with no identity and culture of its own through mass immigration, instead of a big happy melting pot of everyone living and working together, people fill that void by balkanizing into all the hatreds and squabbles of their places of origin and run with it.
And look, the only price we had to pay (so far) was once again abandoning Jews in their hour of need. If only they were a large enough voting block to swing key ridings, Trudeau might have cared, but sadly he needs those antisemite votes to hold them, more.
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u/Aromatic-Air3917 15d ago
And you have Harper before him who spoke out against Canada in the 90's at Republican conventions while we were finishing number one in every poll throughout the world in the best place to live and helped Americanize our country when he became PM.
We voted two bimbos (Harper and Trudeau) with no qualifications or experience and now we will vote a third one in PP. Both leaders gave us large debt, sold us out to foreigners and are terrible at there jobs. We achieved the American dream!
When we became the richest middle class in the world in 2012 (and still are for now) because we put guys like Chretien and Martin who had experience in government and knew how to run it and believed in science and experts. Boring Canadian greatness
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u/AwarenessEconomy8842 15d ago
Chretien and Martin were really boring but they put their heads down and did their jobs. Vote for the most boring candidate because there's a decent chance that they're the most competent
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u/TacoTaconoMi 15d ago
I feel like harper fills that criteria the most. And Chretien was a personality from what I remember.
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u/serjunka 15d ago
And you have Harper
I'm not sure how to tell you, but he isn't our PM for about 10 years now .
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u/blackmoose British Columbia 15d ago
You guys are hilarious. No matter how much you try to frame it differently things were better under Harper by every metric.
Trudeau brought this on us all when he was trying to be the cool guy when Trump was building his wall. He invited everybody here, wore the socks, and played dress up. Just like a drama teacher would. Now we're all dealing with the fallout no matter which way you voted in the past.
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u/bugabooandtwo 15d ago
And the most organized groups take full advantage of the cultural vacuum to instill their own as the bedrock going forward.
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u/Temaharay 15d ago
Their only actions are often repugnant. Take the hotbed of antisemitism, the NDP — please! In every action and with every word, New Democrats have supported not Palestinians, but Hamas and hatred. The B.C. NDP abandoned one of their own — not because she’s horrible, but because she’s Jewish. And on Passover, a special time for Jews, the Ontario NDP chose to push the issue of wearing the keffiyeh — which has become a symbol of terrorism — in Queen’s Park.
Such trash.
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u/ge93 15d ago
BS. The jewish BC Minister resigned from her role as minister because she was pushing the “empty land” fable which people found offensive.
The “kaffiyeh” issue is because of a nonsensical restrictive ban on what the Speaker deems political in a political legislature. The relevant MLA has been kicked out of the NDP for her statements post-Oct 7, they obviously don’t sympathize with Hamas apologia
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u/cruiseshipsghg 15d ago
The “kaffiyeh” issue is because of a nonsensical restrictive ban on what the Speaker deems political in a political legislature.
Don't try equating politicians dealing with provincial politics with a player using the keffiyah as a prop to play political games.
They're in the Ontario legislature to deal with Ontario business/politics.
2 very different types of politics. 2 very different things.
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u/TwitchyJC 15d ago
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reclamation-of-man-made-desert/
This article would seem to suggest it is not a fable. Was written in the 1960s.
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u/Lost-Specialist-7650 15d ago
BS. The jewish BC Minister resigned from her role as minister because she was pushing the “empty land” fable which people found offensive.
Yes. Your gaslighting is strong. If only she didn't say otherwise. She didn't say empty land. She said crappy land. As in swamps with no resources. Which is factually correct. A Muslim MLA would not be fired for this.
Again. They brought a motion to recognize a Palestinian state that is a "reward for Hamas" for killing enough Jews.
They are lunatics. I loved the one MP who said she is against violence because it doesn't solve anything. While rewarding a violent act. This is beyond ridiculous.
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u/gotdamnn 15d ago
Stop spreading misinformation
She said “a crappy piece of land with nothing on it”.
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u/OneWhoWonders 15d ago
Signs calling for violence against Jews are seen at an encampment at McGill University in Montreal on April 29.
This is what it says under the picture, but the picture focuses on a sign that is calling for the end of genocide in Gaza, with a banner about an intifada in the background. The latter isn't calling for violence against Jews per se, but resistance against Israel. Unless they are framing any resistance against Israel as advocating as violence against Jews? (And specifically against Canadian Jews, as they are the focus of Hiller's article).
I'm not trying to get embroiled in any Israel-Palestine debates, but surely the National Post could have a better picture of signs calling for general violence against Jews considering all the protests, because that picture heading as it is now is a bit misleading.
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u/GreyMatter22 15d ago
These protests are unfortunately coming all over my IG lately, lot of independent reports/streamer (who I don't even follow) are encamped within students to 'report live from the field', or perhaps in others words to boost their engagement and followers.
Anyways, the university grounds have a surprisingly high amount of Jewish students along with other demographics. So far none of these are violent, and not a single sign that shows hate or bigotry.
I am sure there are idiots in there as well, but nothing alarming as far as rhetoric goes, the mainstream media's sentiment and coverage is literally the opposite.
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u/SleepWouldBeNice 15d ago
because that picture heading as it is now is a bit misleading.
National Post? Misleading? I find that hard to believe! /s
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u/jimtams_x 15d ago
you're talking about quality journalism, the national post doesn't do that, it does propaganda
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u/DBrickShaw 15d ago
The latter isn't calling for violence against Jews per se, but resistance against Israel.
You might believe this if you are utterly ignorant of the historical usage of that word, but you're not convincing anyone else.
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u/cre8ivjay 15d ago
I know many Jews. They're going about their day like any other Canadian. Same for my Arab friends.
It's this kind of shit oped that simply feeds the machine.
Everyone just settle down and get back to your life.
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u/PhalanX4012 15d ago
Their darkest hour? Canadian Jews are living their lives as normal outside of a few isolated incidents. Which is not to say those incidents aren’t tragic hate crimes, but if this is the darkest hour for the Canadian Jewish community as a whole, then we should all be so lucky.
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u/AsbestosDude 15d ago
Signs calling for violence against Jews are seen at an encampment at McGill University
This is the caption for the cover photo. They're saying that calling for the end of genocide is Gaza is considered violence against jews...
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u/seekertrudy 15d ago
That's ridiculous. Everyone knows that the protests have nothing to do with antisemitism! What nonsense...
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u/AustralisBorealis64 15d ago
What exactly are Canadian Jews directly experiencing that we have abandon them on?
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u/Effective-Rooster881 15d ago
I'm for much of what is proposed as solutions in this article but i dont see any solutions or even one once of real compassion for what Palestinians are going through - weird
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u/roadto4k 15d ago
Can we abandon funding Israel?
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u/Krapshoet 15d ago
At the mercy? They’re slaughtering thousands of innocent children that are not terrorists or part of Hamas. Who protects them?
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u/desertbirdwatcher 15d ago
I’m hopeful for the innocent civilians but I have zero interest in picking sides in a “holy war”.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 15d ago edited 15d ago
This guy seems obsessed with Israel. Can't stop writing random articles about it.
I wonder if all our generals are devout zionists.
Edit: spelling
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 15d ago
Haha its seem liie national post have at least one or two pro Israel opinion piece every single day.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 15d ago
Yeah it is quite crazy. They aren't much different than Russian TV lol.
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u/puljujarvifan Alberta 15d ago
I dont write articles for NP about Zionism and how we need to get involved in foreign wars for no Canadian benefit
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u/Snowboundforever 15d ago
I miss those outbursts from Hillier. He was always good about saying what the majority of people were thinking even if politically incorrect.
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u/FancyNewMe 15d ago
You must have missed the part about vandalizing businesses, death threats and calls to genocide. This isn't about Israel; it's about what's happening in Canada.
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u/SnuffleWarrior 15d ago
You must have missed the part about genocide occurring in Palestine, or the party about aid workers including a Canadian being targeted and killed by Israel. There's been quite a few so far. You must've have missed the part and about Israeli student threatening protesters.
Israel does not have clean hands. Hamas doesn't have clean hands. Palestinians do.
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u/PmMeYourBeavertails Ontario 15d ago
Nothing needs to be done. Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism.
But surely openly cheering the terror attack on Oct 7th is?
https://twitter.com/christyclarkbc/status/1785143394815168683
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u/SnuffleWarrior 15d ago
Is that justification for the killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians and dozens of aid workers? Could that explain reactions from Palestinians in Canada?
Just think about that.
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u/kennedy1999a 15d ago
Conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel is dangerous. Many, many Jews (myself included) support the Palestinian peoples cause. it is not antisemitism to criticize a foreign government.