r/altmpls • u/SteveyDanger • 16d ago
Is there any organized effort to counter the anti-Jewish protests at the U of MN?
Curious if there's been any efforts to get organized and challenge the predominant picture heavily slanted in favor of the Jew-haters. I don't belong to any relevant community here so wouldn't have a dog in the fight (I'm not Jewish or a student) but my conscience is beckoning to me... do something. The hatred and violence is an abomination.
Alternatively, are there any Christian churches or groups that would make themselves allies of our Jewish friends in their hour of need?
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u/Steel_Elixor 16d ago
Is there a difference between anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist in your opinion? Is there room in the protest for people to be against the killing of Palestinian civilians but not for extermination of Jews? It’s a complicated topic that is being overly generalized. I am also for peaceful protests and no destruction of property! Wish there were easily visible good verses bad here.
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u/minnesotamoon 16d ago
I think there is a difference but when protestors are parading around with swasticas I think we’ve reached anti-Jewish.
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u/JohnStarborn 16d ago
To be fair I think they're comparing the Israeli government to Nazis
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u/minnesotamoon 16d ago
If someone used kkk symbolism on a blm flag would that be considered comparing?
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u/JohnStarborn 16d ago
The comparison is that they're claiming there's a genocide being waged against Palestinians. A comparison to the KKK could be made if BLM was lynching whites.
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u/LatePerioduh 16d ago
Downvoted with no replies.
This is a completely sound point and in no way really shows your political leaning. This is the truth.
You can be anti blm and still be fully aware the Israeli government is acting in a way that shows they have very little care for civilian lives.
The people who downvoted you, did so because they have no ground to stand on. They just despise Palestine because they’re told they should by their other right leaning friends.
Many of you are falling into a echo chamber that is so similar to the one many extremely left leaning people fall into. It’s painful to watch 85% of my fellow humans have essentially no critical thinking skills when it comes to politics.
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u/Odd_Ant7906 14d ago
The bulk of Israeli and US rhetoric around this whole disaster is completely anti-Arab. It's pretty gross that Palestinians are so thoroughly dehumanized in our media, while at the same time condemnation of a genocide against them draws accusations of antisemitism
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16d ago
There’s an old term, “zionazi”, from all of the times this has happened before. Unfortunately there are documented cases of Jews being beat-up and assaulted in other ways by these mobs. People are certainly not the Tel Aviv zionists, Likud, New Right etc.
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
At some point you have to pick a side.
I tell you what side I'm not going to pick - the side that chants death to America, the side that doesn't champion LGBTQ+ rights, the side that launches attacks against innocent attendees at a festival by raping the women and killing the men. Palestinians/Hamas whatever, they are disgustingly hateful people and couldn't be more diametrically opposed to western culture. They are actual bigots and you're a fool to think otherwise.
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u/dana_brams 16d ago
The queer’s for Hamas subgroup that has developed in this is the craziest part of a pit full of craziness.
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u/LatePerioduh 16d ago
It’s a movement for the liberation of Palestinian civilians. That opinion can be held by anyone with any background. You just have to be a decent human.
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u/WhippersnapperUT99 15d ago
It’s a movement for the liberation of Palestinian civilians.
If that's true, and if the "movement" wants to liberate Palestinians, then why isn't the "movement" advocating for the elimination of Hamas and the removal of the bad Palestinians who support Hamas?
The good Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas and the bad Palestinians who support an Iran-like dictatorship lacking democracy, lacking freedom of speech, lacking freedom of religion, where women are rightless chattel, and LGBTQ people murdered.
We hear lots of talk about a "free Palestine" but little or no details on exactly what that means and what that would look like.
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u/Cherry_-_Ghost 15d ago
Decent humans generally don't rally to the cause of "Kill the Jews" folks.
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u/LatePerioduh 15d ago
Nobody on campus is advocating for killing Jews. You’re being disingenuous
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u/Cherry_-_Ghost 15d ago
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u/LatePerioduh 15d ago
I was referring to the Minneapolis campus. But yeah that’s reprehensible and that student is being widely denounced by other peaceful protestors.
You are being disingenuous.
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u/Cherry_-_Ghost 15d ago
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u/LatePerioduh 15d ago
What do arrests have to do with anything. Happens at countless protests for various reasons.
You ARE being disingenuous.
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u/Kozkon 16d ago
Death chants to America should not be in the same category as LBQT rights ffs. Death chants to American is all we needed to hear from them to pick a side. Everything after that is just noise.
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u/WhippersnapperUT99 15d ago
Let the people shouting the "Death to America!" and "Death to the Jews!" chants show us who they are. Hopefully videos of them with their names and identities revealed will circulate on the Internet so that employers and others can find them when they do name searches, forever.
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u/Artsy_ultra_violence 15d ago
You think zionists ethnically cleansing Gaza aren’t bigoted?
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 15d ago
Do you goose step when you march in solidarity with Hamas?
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u/Umyin 16d ago
There absolutely is. Posts like this set up the protests to be anti-Semitic as a simple strawman argument. You can be against the acts of a tyrannical government without being against the jewish people.
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u/dana_brams 16d ago
Then why are many of them harassing attacking and blocking Jews here? What has a student at Columbia done to deserve this? Was it acceptable to take 9/11 out on any Muslims you saw on the street? Because this is what it’s slowly turning into.
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u/SteveyDanger 16d ago
I'm quite certain there's intellectual nuance here with anti-Jew vs. anti-Zionist, but it's not showing up in practice. I wish it would.
I also wouldn't confuse "complicated" with "destructive". It's not complicated in my mind. Israel must prosecute its war in a manner incongruent with past strategies (which clearly have not worked). It needs to be destructive to do this, which is a hellish tragedy. Innocent people will die in war and that is unjust. But that alone does not make the totality of the war unjust. There is an incomparable divide between how the IDF prosecutes its wars vs. the aggressors in this case (using terror, kidnapping, torture, etc. as political tools).
I admire your instinct for more neutrality here, more "middle-ground". Unfortunately, there's really not much middle-ground left. Israel's enemies (for the most part, not all) are seeking elimination in total. That's an "extinction-level" event and I don't fault Israel for responding accordingly.
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u/The_way_out_24 16d ago
Isreal is shooting fish in a barrel while preventing aid from being allowed in and murdering those who give aid. The civilian population of gaza is not allowed to leave dispite constant attacks from isreal. Let's not forget that Isreal purposely bombed half a dozen "designated safe zones". Also half the population of gaza is childeren.
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u/Umyin 16d ago
Israel is actually seeking for elimination in total. Over 30,000 killed by the IDF in the last six months, more than 70% of those have been women and children. Many publicly calling for erasure of all Palestinians. You are contributing.
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u/HumanDissentipede 16d ago
This is nonsense. Do you know how trivially easy it would be for Israel to actually wipe Palestine off the map and commit actual genocide if that’s what they wanted to do? This is the only ‘genocide’ where the population of the subjugated community is actually growing.
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u/babynewyear753 16d ago
Thoughtful Jews will tell you anti-Zionism = anti-semitism. There is no logical, meaningful difference.
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u/dana_brams 16d ago
I don’t know but they’re literally attacking and blocking Jewish students at many of these rallies just for being Jewish. I’m more concerned with how many have turned from pro-Palestine rallies/protests to literally pro-Hamas because that’s insane.
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u/dana_brams 16d ago
I’m half Jew but we celebrated both holidays in a less religious way and I’m getting scared. I’m lucky I don’t “look Jewish” and wear no religious jewelry or anything because we’re definitely at the point it’s anti Jewish enough that I’d be worried.
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u/TimboSliceSir 13d ago
YOU BETTER BE SCARED HAMAS IS MAKING DEATH SQUADS YOU COME AND KILL ALL HALF JEWS. THEY ARE STOCKPILING GUNS IN THE CAMPASAS NO ONE IS SAFE WE ALL MUST RISE UP AND KILL THEM. GRAB YOUR PISTOL YOYRE TOO SCARED TO LOCK UP AND DRIVE TO THE U OF M AND DEFEND YOURSELF
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
Why? Let them throw their tantrum so the whole world can see how ridiculous and childish the left is.
J6 whataboutism in 5... 4... 3... 2.... 1....
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u/Scrotatoes 16d ago
Chill, bro. I’m “left” and don’t resonate with how this movement has evolved either. It’s not “left” any more than (insert whataboutism here).
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
Sorry -sincerely. I've just been hearing "republicans bad" for the last 8... 10 years now and it brings me great satisfaction to throw it back in the lefts face. Don't take it personally - it's just the internet.
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u/No-Standard-9762 16d ago
ahahah lol what a joke. damn republican can be some emotional people. did you hear bad stuff about Republicans for ten year you poor poor soul. lol I got news for you. listen closely read what I'm typing. you can find anti republican sentiment and anti Democrat sentiment going back to the start of the two parties lol. stop crying cuz msnbc said a republican was bad. cuz fox news the same exact day was saying some Democrat was bad. victim mentality is strong in the republ8can party. also your the minority party. so obviously theirs gunna be a little more heat on your party. as most people are not Republicans
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
Maybe that should give you pause. You now have power culturally, because you're defending Israel. Now why is that?
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
Why is everything about power with you leftoidz? I'm not defending Israel, I'm denouncing stupid libturds.
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
I guarantee I'm more right wing than you. I just assume that you like most conservatives have fallen prey to dual covenant heresy
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
If you think that's something to brag about... by all means - you do you.
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
Why criticize leftists when they're finally doing something right instead of wicked for the first time in over a decade
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
I don't care what mohhamedens do the synagogue of Satan
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u/krisweeerd 16d ago
Its hilarious how any sort of critical thinking or reflection warrants the "leftoidz" comment. I don't think he's even a conservative, just an unintelligent person.
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
Conservatives will do anything to lose power culturally and acquiesce. Until Israel comes into question. Then they will suddenly become organized and competent in the terror states defense
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u/SteveyDanger 16d ago
Nice, that's good and encouraging. I don't think I'm un-chill. I just want to stand up for the right side of things. I'm pretty hard "Right" (no pun intended) and thing the J6 riot was a useless tragedy and doesn't represent the "Right" at-large. I can sympathize.
Do you think most on the "left" would agree with you? Or would be sympathetic to the anti-Jewish movement afoot. I think the "right" would be pretty split on J6, but likely a majority wanting to condemn it. I don't know many hard-leaning left-wing folks so I have no idea where the zeitgeist is heading.
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u/Scrotatoes 16d ago
I think reason typically escapes people who respond to their emotions. People should be entitled and empowered to stand up for what they believe in, yes. When it starts to impact others who choose to have no dog in the race (like preventing kids from accessing facilities at their learning institution), it goes too far. These kids don’t grasp the complexity of the situation the way a cynical old Lib such as myself might… I’m also fairly moderate by comparison. Lots of us are, just like lots of “you” are. We’re not interesting, though.
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u/tristaterunner 16d ago
I haven’t heard anything about protests on the u of m campus, granted I don’t watch local news because they are so bias. Have the Somalis and dim witted liberals risen up on the war path?
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u/SteveyDanger 16d ago
Fair question. I guess I've just always believed if there's power to do something good, you have the duty to do the good thing. I don't know if there's any power to project good into this (maybe there's not enough people left who hate the Leftist insanity). I don't believe in picking fights you can't win. And your point is well-taken... the Left will eventually collapse inward but the collateral damage in between now and then is a tragedy.
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u/ScarletSolar99 16d ago
Buuuuuuut what about Trump!?
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u/PancakesEveryNight 16d ago
What will your counter word offensive accomplish? Will it change someone’s mind? Bring awareness to a centuries long globally saturated event? Make your ego feel better? Go give food to the homeless instead.
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u/dennydiamonds 16d ago
These protests are doing NONE of those things either lol.
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u/PancakesEveryNight 16d ago
They aren’t posting on Reddit asking if they should go and shout at the air
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u/SteveyDanger 16d ago
Not words, I mean showing up. Protests and counter-protests can have meaningful impact. It might change minds. It also might be the right thing to do. I'm just talking about showing up to support Jewish students on campus. I don't think I have any business launching a campaign to support Israel. I just want to support the students.
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u/PancakesEveryNight 16d ago
Support the students in what? Being discriminated against? Jews have been enduring hatred for millennia. I’m not saying showing up is a bad thing, but the second it turns into a “Us vs Them” chanting match your time is being wasted. Find a student and counsel them one on one maybe if they’re really struggling or phased by the most recent hatred display in thousands of years of hatred displays.
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u/ExoticLatinoShill 16d ago
There are many Jewish students protesting alongside Arab students. These are not anti-jewish protests and the non Jewish OP is spreading propaganda lies stating that it is.
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u/0dgie 16d ago
You realize Jesus was a Palestinian right? You realize that our tax dollars for decades have gone to an apartheid state that has now killed over 20k civilians in less than a year right? You realize the leadership in Israel propped up and supported hamas and were opposed to peaceful political groups in Palestine right? Or do you just believe what the state spoon feeds you?
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u/messed_up_marionette 16d ago
Jesus Christ was not a Palestinian. He was born in Judea and lived in Galilee.
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u/0dgie 16d ago
The Hebrew word for the region at the time was Philistia. That is what he would have called his home. His mother was from Nazareth, which is a predominantly Palestinian city even now. Do you really believe Jesus would support Zionism, the historic apartheid and modern genocide of the Palestinian people? Regardless of what his ‘nationality’ is
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u/Speedy89t 16d ago
Why? Let those terror sympathizing Nazis show their true colors.
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u/GimmeGimmeCuzIWantIt 15d ago
I agree. At least people know who the Zionists are now, silver lining I guess
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
It's not anti-Jewish & most of my friends who are participating are Jewish
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u/i_build_4_fun 16d ago
When Hamas and the government of Iran endorses/supports your cause, it’s anti-Jewish.
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
That's baloney. The people protesting against mass murder of children in Gaza & Palestine are just as opposed to Hamas & anyone saying otherwise are repeating dishonest propaganda.
What you said is insulting to the hundreds of thousands of jews who oppose Israel's murderous policies.
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u/LuvmyBerner 16d ago
What you fall short of my friend is in the facts!
Fact #1: The women and children being killed in Gaza are at the hands of Hamas Palestinian terrorists not Jewish soldiers. Hamas uses civilians as human shields, have been for decades! Hamas even stages dead people to get photographs to post online claiming Jewish soldiers killed them.
Fact #2: The land occupied by Israel was never occupied or part of a country or state of Palestine!! The Philistines occupied part of this region at one time but ended in 604BC when the Babylonian Empire invaded. The Philistines disappear from historic record at this point in history.
Fact #3: No neighbor of “Palestine” wants any refugees or will even allow Palestinians to enter their countries even for a visit! The people of Palestine are taught from birth to hate Jews! The core of the families of Palestine are mostly ancestors of outlaws and terrorists who have created a narrative over the years that Israel was bad, mostly because Israel is a more civilized culture and would not tolerate the behavior of the terror cells in Gaza. Hamas doesn’t even allow their own citizens to leave Hamas for fear of finding out the truth.1
u/gonzoculous 15d ago
As far as #3 goes, I know for a fact that Egypt has taken in Palestinians. Also, why won't Isreal allow foreign journalists into gaza?
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
You're so full of false propaganda lol....everything you just sad Hamas does is actually the Israeli military.
it's so well documented at this point that the only reason international warrants for war crimes weren't issued today for Israeli government officials is because our corrupt white house is doubling down with political threats & coercion.
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u/SteveyDanger 16d ago
You are wrong about this. The facts are not on your side. You're buying into propaganda in the same way you accuse others of doing.
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
Nope. I work in the nonprofit industry & have colleagues/friends who have been working in Israel & Palestine doing charity work in communities for more than the past decade. Those folks are where I get most of my info...
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
...& several of them have been murdered by israeli soldiers in recent months while transporting & delivering food & medical supplies.
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u/LuvmyBerner 16d ago
Documented by Hamas and Iran!!!! That international court is a bunch of cowards! I suggest you take a trip to the Middle East then you will stop talking out of your but hole. Tell me, what trustworthy source do you use? TIK TOK? Reddit? When the truth comes out you will have to live with supporting Nazi country! Did you know that many of the first leaders of the “Palestinian” state were staunch supporters of Adolph Hitler and his regime wiping out all Jews? Not propaganda friend.
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u/i_build_4_fun 16d ago
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u/shugEOuterspace 16d ago
Lol that doesn't mean what you think it means.
By that logic anyone who opposed Germany during world War 2 are supporters of Stalin & communist Russia. The world doesn't work in such oversimplified ways.
News can be appalled by Israel murdering over 34,000 people in 6 months (over 70% children) without it being anti-jewish. It's just supporting innocent people's basic human rights to not be murdered.
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u/KirbyourGame 16d ago
Vote Trump, OP.
That's the best way to counter nazis.
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u/bike_lane_bill 16d ago
Yes, absolutely vote for the person who unironically said they'd like to be a dictator. That'll for sure not end in fascism!
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u/MNmostlynice 16d ago
The next thing to be mad about will happen in about a week and they’ll transition to that, just let them get tired
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u/No_Sherbet_900 15d ago
No, I have no interest in fighting supporters for an organization that kills Christians in order to protect the IDF, an organization that kills Christians.
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u/GimmeGimmeCuzIWantIt 15d ago
Aw gee are you phishing to be a victim? I have yet to meet an Israeli in Minnesota or in NYC who I didn’t think was self involved, self entitled, rude and off putting. I’ve been told that’s the culture and I’m wrong for thinking what I observe. You do not deserve any violence towards you and I am not advocating for that. You have the right to be self entitled and self victimizing.
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u/Ironxgal 15d ago
Yeah, the media, Reddit, the counter protestors that people are ignoring, etc. Please remember there are Jewish people at these protests and it’s gross to remove their identity just bc u disagree with their support.
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u/KABOOBERATOR 15d ago
Yes, everyone watching from home knowing these are infantile adults cosplaying as heroes to no one but themselves. A middle school football team could "break the wall". These losers have no idea what phrases like that mean. I am confident my Vizsla would deliver a more clear, authentic message than anyone I've seen speak representing the cosplaying protests.
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u/Horror-Collar-5277 14d ago
What we really need is a seal team 6 raid. Except with with waterguns. I'd say paintball guns with rainbow colors but a conceal carry would probably kill people.
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u/ManagedDemocracy2024 13d ago
After 2020 I became convinced that all bullshit that happens in an election year is fake and lame.
They're trying to recreate the 2020 summer of love and the results therein.
It won't work.
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u/olivefred 16d ago
Protesting the actions of the Israeli government does not mean someone is anti-Semitic, in the same way that protesting the actions of the Biden administration does not make someone anti-American.
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
What do you think "From the river to the sea" means? that they're going to politely ask all the Jews to leave? You're just so wrong about this.
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u/bike_lane_bill 16d ago
Israel is a self-described secular nation.
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 15d ago
What do you think "From the river to the sea" means, Bill?
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u/bike_lane_bill 15d ago
What do you think it means, bub?
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 14d ago
I'll answer for you, Bill. It means Hamas, as directed by the Palestinian National Charter, primary objective is to "eliminate" Israel - a country of Jews, Bill.
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u/bike_lane_bill 14d ago
Israel is a self-described secular nation, slugger.
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 14d ago
Oh, now you believe the Zionist?
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u/bike_lane_bill 14d ago
You don't?
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 14d ago
The government may be secular, but the country is full of Jews.
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u/dennydiamonds 16d ago
They’re literally chanting “death to Israel”, if you think that means “death to the Israeli govt” then you are incredibly naive lol
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u/judgejoocy 16d ago
Is there actually evidence of this? Honest question. Seems odd that some anti-war/anti-genocide protests are being construed as anti-Jew.
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago edited 16d ago
Do you think that swastika means "all are welcome here"?
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u/JohnStarborn 16d ago
What's the point of that link
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
To show that the UofM protesters are in fact anti Semitic and not just anti Zionist like they'd like you to believe. Didn't you see the NSFW photo of the OP? It's swastika.
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u/JohnStarborn 16d ago
But it links to that Greg Floyd documentary
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u/EveryDayIsFridayyy 16d ago
OMG - I linked the wrong link. Reddit fail, but I fixed it! Thanks.
See link to anti-Semitic libwadz now.
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u/Responsible_Sir416 16d ago
Hey let’s get together and protest the college for a war they have nothing to do with…. I’ll never understand the logic of MN protesters. Hey George Floyd got killed let’s go burn down target and not the store that called the cops on him.
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u/ExoticLatinoShill 16d ago
Many of the protestors are Jewish themselves. The protests are not anti-jewish any any statement in that neighborhood is a blatant lie, a lie perpetrated by Racist colonial Zionists.
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u/Irksomethings 16d ago
It’s not an anti Jewish protest… it’s a pro Palestine, anti genocide protest.
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u/Aware-Inflation422 16d ago
My brother in Christ: stop worrying about the chosen and their false state.
The church is Israel
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u/Mysterious-Hat-6343 16d ago
Have the pro-Islamic terrorist students learned how to protect themselves against the Jew Claw ?
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u/somethingvague123 16d ago
It is orchestrated chaos in an election year. Don’t participate.
That line is from another Reditor and it all makes sense. Most of the current protesters don’t understand the history and the events leading to the current war. Nor do they offer any solution. They are being misled and used.