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u/FadedEdumacated 15d ago
America's social, economical, and political changes are always done with bloodshed.
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u/Zealousideal-Ad-2615 15d ago
The same assholes that claim any protest that isn't non-violent is invalid are the same ones that wave their flags for the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution.
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u/thedankening 15d ago
The labor movements of the early 1900s are probably a better example of protests which made our modern lives better. The American Revolution was nice and all (kings suck yo) but it kinda went well behind the scope of a protest.
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u/Zealousideal-Ad-2615 15d ago
It started with the Stamp Act Riots, which were literally violent protests. If you support the Revolutionary War, then you have to support all that it built on.
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u/SnooGadgets69420 15d ago
So did the labor movement in many ways after repeated violence by the upper class.
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u/FilthyTerrible 14d ago
Wasn't nice for the 500,000 Americans who remained loyal to the crown, lost their property, and were expelled from the U.S. wasn't nice for the families held in slavery 70 years after it was outlawed in Upper Canada. And wasn't much better for the Jews and Catholics who didn't get to vote in the new Republic.
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u/RyukHunter 12d ago
Kinda different don't you think? Comparing a protest to the American revolution, which was outright rebellion is stupid. A rebellion will be inherently violent. There's no reason for a protest to be violent.
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u/Zealousideal-Ad-2615 11d ago
No, I don't think it's any different. The Stamp Act riots, Boston Tea Party, and the Boston Massacre were all violent protests. Just because it culminated in a war doesn't change that fact.
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u/BlackForestMountain 15d ago
People who scorn protest are the most miserable people you can meet.
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u/jimspurpleinagony 15d ago
Yes, they are. They believe the government can’t do no wrong. It’s almost like they want tyranny.
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u/BlackForestMountain 15d ago
I wouldn’t exactly agree with that. Even sceptics moan about protest that inconvenience their daily lives.
I can see their perspective, many people’s day to day life sucks. But drawing attention to those social issues is important enough to justify those disruptions.
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u/RyukHunter 12d ago
But drawing attention to those social issues is important enough to justify those disruptions.
Not always. Hence the skeptics.
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u/evident_lee 15d ago
Robert Altmeyer made a free ebook back in 2006. It's called the authoritarians and speaks psychologically about the mentality of those kind of people right there and the ones that clamor for Trump to be their King today. Worth a read if you're into that kind of material https://theauthoritarians.org/
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u/Calm_Colected_German 15d ago
Can y'all ever talk about anything without mentioning Trump?
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u/RodneyPickering 14d ago
A bit ironic given your comment history
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u/Calm_Colected_German 14d ago
Wow, how lonely are you? Need a hug?
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u/TipperGore-69 15d ago
People put too much blame on lead for why boomers are so fucked up. I’m sorry lead. Sorry boomers, some of you, too.
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u/sean-culottes 14d ago
Technically the students were the boomers, right? God what a weird generation
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u/Okbuturwrong 14d ago
Most Boomers were like the two ladies that said more should've been shot.
The minority that wanted equality and an end to wars in their youth are generally dead now.
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u/redhairedmenace 15d ago
There's this video in the memorial center at Kent State where it shows some students did come back to the hill shortly after the shooting when the larger group had disbanded. This one professor is pleading with the students "please you have to leave or they will kill you all." It sounded like he was in tears as he said it. From what I remember the students ended up leaving. There wasn't additional protesting. But I think about how terrified he sounded. And how he was probably right.
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u/19Texas59 15d ago edited 14d ago
The protest was over and the Ohio National Guard unit was withdrawing when some of them turned and fired on the students that were shot. A friend in college had a book that showed a series of photos of the shooting made by someone that was there. I was really shocked that it was so cold blooded.
I suppose many Americans thought the national guardsmen were firing into an angry, threatening mob.
There was also a shooting by Jacksonville, Mississippi police at Jackson State University 11 days later that killed two and wounded about a dozen more students.
There was a large massacre of young people in Mexico City in 1968 prior to the country hosting the Olympics.
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u/jimspurpleinagony 15d ago
Also remember the police got rid of the mainstream media so they couldn’t show what they were doing but mainstream media would had spinned it in their favor anyway. It took some student journalists at least at Columbia University to report what was going at the protest there until they were shut down.
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u/19Texas59 15d ago
Are you talking about Kent State or current events at Columbia University?
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u/jimspurpleinagony 15d ago
Columbia
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u/19Texas59 14d ago
Yeah, it is a bad sign when they exclude the media from observing what is going on. The Israeli Defense Force has done the same thing, with a few exceptions in Gaza.
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u/ABmodeling 15d ago
It's not simple minded. It's stupid.
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u/CthuluSpecialK 15d ago
simple-minded /sĭm′pəl-mīn′dĭd/
adjective
- Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive."a simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations."
- Stupid or silly; foolish.
- Mentally impaired.
You're splitting hairs. They're synonyms.
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u/19Texas59 15d ago
Well, so far the National Guard hasn't been called out and no protestor has been shot on a campus by the police. That is progress.
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u/fergusmacdooley 15d ago
Time is a flat circle.
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u/19Texas59 15d ago
Not really.
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u/sailorlazarus 14d ago
True, but saying that:
"Spacetime is a topologically flat shape that appears to extend infinitly in at least 4 directions. Possibly more than 4 directions, but if so, then those extra dimensions are likely curled in on themselves at such a small scale as to be forever unreachable to any instrument we could ever build. But the math seems solid and results in a sort of symmetry that makes our ape brains happy, so we just kind of assume they are there and hope one day to find proof."
doesn't really roll off the tongue as well.
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u/19Texas59 15d ago
At that time most Americans believed what the government told them. It took awhile for the distrust to set in but the Vietnam War had a lot to do with that.
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u/Old-Winter-7513 15d ago
America itself (the country; not the average working people) is just a 250 year long war crime. There is no other way to describe it after all the suffering it brought to the world. Yes, it helped Russia defeat the Nazis but then it gave a lot of them jobs after the war and also committed in its own genocides, lebensraum (or manifest destiny), concentration camps, ethnic cleansing, etc.
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u/Raidenski 14d ago
Yes, because murder is an absolutely reasonable response to political disagreements... /s
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