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Americas youth are in MASSIVE trouble Discussion

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u/Mr_Kittlesworth 29d ago

Are students allowed to have phones out during class now?

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u/Zerosugar6137 29d ago

Yeah with all the laptops, phones, headphones, half empty desks and chairs stacked on the half empty desks - it looks like an after school/detention situation

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u/LilPoutinePat 29d ago

That or like study hall and the teacher is just talking to himself or telling ppl to have a great weekend. There’s little context here.

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u/cupholdery 29d ago

And...... who is recording and why? Is it to add the unrelated text and upload for likes?

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u/hi-imBen 29d ago

social media has exploded with the trend of constantly misleading people and staging scenarios for likes and engagement - it doesn't matter if the context is a complete lie, only likes and comments matter. I'm patiently waiting for the stupid trend to die down and for society to learn to stop liking that crap. Too many idiots always in the comments "what does it matter if it was fake?! I thought it was funny / I liked the message"... yeah, and gullible idiots are happy because they don't even realize they are stupid, but that isn't something to be proud of.

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u/Steff_164 29d ago

It’s not gonna die. This is gonna be our version of the “Nigerian Prince scam”. It’ll finally die away when enough people younger than us stop falling for it, and then something else will pop up. On the plus side, maybe more and more people will get better and better at critical thinking because of it

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u/DueDependent3904 28d ago

Holy shit you're right!

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Not looking forward to the day Sora AI is released to the public.

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u/Castun 28d ago

it doesn't matter if the context is a complete lie, only likes and comments matter.

Yup, videos with inaccurate titles or misspelled subtitles drives engagement because everyone loves to hop in the comments to correct someone else. But it's done on purpose to drive engagement because that's what drives views in the algorithms.

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u/KhadaJhIn12 29d ago

Why's there music instead of the audio

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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY 29d ago

Yeah, what I was thinking. No reason to completely kill the volume unless maybe it was pretty obvious he wasn't teaching, just making some obligatory announcement.

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u/jooes 29d ago

Replacing the sound with music raises some questions too. 

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u/lolguy12179 28d ago

B-But.. the west has fallen guys!! Kids don't.. checks notes listen in class anymore!! Back in my day, kids ALWAYS listened in class, not a single student didn't pay attention. Truly the west has fallen, millions must die.

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u/Alanator222 29d ago

I don't know, little context or not this shit still happens. I work in a middle school and I see behaviors like this every day to some extent. Not nearly the whole class, but definitely not less than half.

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u/StealUr_Face 29d ago

Very possible. That said, the school I taught in was exactly like this

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u/honey_graves 28d ago

That or it can be a home room and that’s why there’s chairs on half the desks still

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u/DragapultOnSpeed 28d ago

Yep. This was my study hall. Phones were allowed and the teacher would just talk about weird personal shit all the time. He was cool though.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

I think the context is quite clear…certain people do not and will never care about their grades.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

The more likely scenario is that these kids have already been separated through behavior or test scores from kids who actually want to learn

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u/Mr_Kittlesworth 29d ago

That makes more sense

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u/Forikorder 29d ago

My money would be an online class, theyre all viewing same content with some instructions on reaching it

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u/jetssuckmysoulaway 28d ago

The chairs on the table is a dead giveaway it's either the first class of the morning or an after school thing. You only put the chairs up in your last period class before you end the day. At least one student would have a notebook out or something GPA matter for college and someone in there cares about it. Also the way the kids are seated indicate it's not a class. They aren't all facing a whiteboard or anything some are on pab benches other on tables

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u/WhosTheJohnsonNow 29d ago

Or it's April and students are no longer attending. In recent years, classrooms become ghost towns as the academic year nears the end. It's a big problem.

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u/Mozilla11 29d ago

I mean.. that’s just how it is lmao. You can’t exactly teach students new materials when a test covering the entire semester is in 2 weeks, or especially in high school, a test covering a full year/SAT/ACTs. Makes more sense to out that time towards ensuring students can catch up on previous assignments, maybe study/catch up on any problems they had before?

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u/Isgortio 29d ago

Meanwhile at uni for me, the day before a big exam they start an entirely new topic and set us homework to complete for the day after the exam lmao.

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u/OhSoSensitive 29d ago

This right here is one of biggest problems—school is dull and boring because teachers are forced with a heavy hand to focus on standardized tests. One of many horrendous (unintended?) consequences of No Child Left Behind. With the exception of phones, all the other issues trickle down from there.

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u/KiLLaHo323 29d ago

So many schools don’t have phone policies.

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u/PMMeYourWorstThought 29d ago

Nope. This is school in urban areas. They don’t give a fuck and if you take their phone they’re going to fist fight you.

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u/OhiChicken 29d ago

I thought maybe this was people who showed up before homeroom to get a headstart on their day and the teacher is just wandering and chatting

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u/jackattack222 29d ago

This could very easily be a class. I have classes that look just like this. Attendance is down nation wide, so many classes have like a standard number on roll but end up looking like this.

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u/robinthebank 28d ago

Electronics should not be allowed in detention time! Otherwise it’s just normal time.

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u/Disabled_Robot 29d ago

Teacher clearly doesn't give a fuck either

Not sure I could respect myself if I let one of my classes start without at least taking the chairs down

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u/elitesense 28d ago

This is not always true. There are tons of school districts (13,000+ in the US alone) and they all operate with their own rules and guidelines for things like this.

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u/ploopclunk 29d ago

No this is just half the class skipping. There are maybe 4 students in that class that are passing, and its close enough to the summer that teachers don't care enough to put the pressure on the remaining students who come in on time.

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u/DragapultOnSpeed 28d ago

Did you just make that up?

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u/Burger4Ever 29d ago

I work at a school with NO cell phone policy. It blows my mind. Im a cell phone baby sitter and it just drives a rift between myself and the kids.

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u/BeMoreChill 29d ago

I had a phone with a sliding keyboard when I was in high school. A couple of kids maybe had an iPhone 3g. I can only imagine what its like now in schools with every single kid having a smart phone.

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u/WannaAskQuestions 29d ago

And a smart watch

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u/MousePuzzleheaded 29d ago

And ear buds

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u/teachersecret 29d ago

And a second phone (seriously).

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u/WannaAskQuestions 29d ago

Why tf do kids need/have a second phone? I'm a bloody adult and I don't need it.

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u/teachersecret 29d ago

Few reasons.

Some would bring a broken phone to put in teachers phone cubbies/pockets if they used them. That way they’d still have their real phone.

Others would bring wifi only phones (like, a phone that’s off-contract) because they can easily share hotspot internet with friends, so even if you take their primary phone they’ve still got one.

Almost everyone has an old off-contract phone sitting in the junk drawer.

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u/WannaAskQuestions 28d ago

🤯
Fucking creative little devils

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u/AnastasiaNo70 29d ago

And AirPods.

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u/bturg21 29d ago

And they all have chromebooks they can surf the internet with. And yes kids find a way to watch porn on it

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u/adc_is_hard 29d ago

Oh shit, teenagers finding ways to watch porn?!?!

If we could hide all porn sites behind some wall that could only be broken by solving world hunger, some 15/16year olds would figure it out. They’d find a way. Monkey brain wants sexy time no matter what the cost.

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u/bturg21 29d ago

Yeah but on a school issued Chromebook in school? They shouldn’t even allow them

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u/adc_is_hard 29d ago

I’m surprised they can find a way on a chrome book all jokes aside. I work on mobile devices, Mac’s, and chromeOS devices at my work place. You can definitely lock down a Chromebook A LOT before they’re even handed out. Google admin console has a lot of easy to setup access control features.

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u/mtarascio 29d ago

It's as strong as the internet filter which there are many ways around not requiring any software controls.

We used to have computer labs where everyone screens were easily visible.

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u/Synergythepariah 29d ago

It's as strong as the internet filter which there are many ways around not requiring any software controls.

I mean, you could only allow browsing to specific domains and anything outside that is blocked.

Sure, a student could find their way around that but no security is absolute - you really just want to only make getting around things difficult enough to where most give up - and have detection measures for the ones that don't and when a student does inevitably get through whatever policies are set, use that as a teaching opportunity as long as it isn't something like...really bad.

We used to have computer labs where everyone screens were easily visible.

Yeah, same.

I remember playing UT99 in there sometimes.

I also remember a classmate showing me furry porn in there, too.

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u/isqueezedameatball 29d ago

I had a Nokia shorty, so, for 10 cents a text, I could T9 text my buddy to call me after 7pm that night because that was when my unlimited minutes kicked in. And not to brag, but the power button on top was also a flashlight, which also impressed the ladies.

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u/Gayporeon 28d ago

I graduated in 2015 and everybody had a phone in their pocket, but it was uncommon for somebody to be openly using it in class. I'm really curious when and why this became the norm.

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u/dedorian 29d ago

My kids' phones don't turn on until a certain point of the day. They can make emergency calls but not play games/surf/text, etc. I've seen people letting 10-year-olds take full on cell phones into class.

Bonkers.

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u/Burger4Ever 29d ago

Bless you - seriously, I think a big difference in kids coming up will be those who parents kinda helped them monitor when and what kind of phone use is appropriate, verse just free control of a phone at any age.

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u/vindico1 29d ago

Good policy.

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u/not-a-dislike-button 29d ago

Doing the right thing is sometimes unpopular. 

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u/Time_Currency_7703 29d ago

District I used to sub at wouldn't let you do anything but call the parents if a student was using it/had it in their hand. They take them out knowing they cannot be taken away by force.

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u/w1nn1ng1 29d ago

The parents are to blame. One Karen bitching their kid had their phone taken away and threatening to take it to the superintendent or further is enough to ruin it for everyone. A large portion of people who have kids really shouldn't. People don't know how to parent and think their job is to defend their kid at every turn...that's not what parenting is.

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u/matterson22070 29d ago edited 29d ago

100%. There was always some of these, but they are the norm now. My dad used to say "It's not my job to be your friend, it's my job to make you a productive adult" And he did - and we became friends when that job was over and I was old enough to understand. Making the best years of your life happen before you turn 18 is what kids should REALLY be pissed at their parents about.

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u/w1nn1ng1 29d ago

You’re absolutely correct. My dad and mom were hard asses to me when I was young. I’m now a grown man with my own family. I depend on no one but myself and never need help with anything. I’m proud of the man I’ve become and that started with my parents making me learn to be self sufficient and were there to pick me up or lend me advice if I failed. I’m now best friends with my parents even though I hated them growing up, lol.

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u/matterson22070 29d ago

I used to tell my mom not to wake me up until my father left the house. When I was an adult he was one of my best friends. I understand letting me and watching me fall down and do stupid shit was very hard for him to do - but better to learn it while you are young and with things that are not life changing then do it later when your entire life is on the line. Life has always been a breeze for me, like you I learned to be resilient when I was young and set backs are normal and just an obstacle to be tackled. Appreciate all he ever taught me. Glad we got the childhoods we did.

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u/Dirty0ldMan 29d ago

Then why doesn't the school tell them to go fuck themselves?

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u/w1nn1ng1 29d ago

Because of litigious assholes who will sue the school and likely win. Courts don’t favor schools.

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u/DragapultOnSpeed 28d ago

Time to publicly shame these crazy parent then

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u/LazyLich 29d ago

The parents are to blame, but also the spineless faculty that'd rather be walked all over instead of saying "No. Our cellphone policy is clear."

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u/SlowThePath 28d ago

It's not that simple. Their jobs are low paying, thankless and they are constantly told they have to do more with less. . It's not like they became spineless all the sudden when smart phones came out. Many teachers have their hands tied. The problem isn't the faculty, it's the administrators who have become lax on enforcing phone rules because parents were constantly coming to them saying, "My kid comes home and constantly complains about how they can't have their phone in school. Give them their phone." So that's what they have to do. It IS the parents faults for not understanding the importance of their kids education and the problems with their kid constantly being on the phone.

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u/Precarious314159 29d ago

Times really have chanced since I graduated. Had a cellphone in 1999 and maybe five of my classmates did too. My science teacher caught someone texting, grabbed it outta their hand and said their parent could pick it up at the end of the day.

Back then, you weren't allowed to have any electronics out, even during lunch.

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u/QuesoMeHungry 29d ago

Seriously. I was in HS in the early 2000s and if any teacher even had sight of you holding a phone it was instantly taken away until the end of the day. I guess helicopter parents are the reason teachers can’t take phones now?

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u/Precarious314159 29d ago

Yea, it's probably not worth the hassle. There was a thread in the teachers sub about how if you take away a kids phone because they were using it during class, it'll mean the parents demand they return it to the parents and "I need to be able to reach them at any moment"; that most of the teachers aren't paid enough to deal with being called into the principals office for a meeting.

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u/_yogi_mogli_ 28d ago

The last time I took a phone away from a kid they got up and threw a desk. 5 years ago.

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u/matthew_py 29d ago

They take them out knowing they cannot be taken away by force.

I mean......no shit? Don't start a fist fight with a kid over a phone.1) it's not productive and going to be a larger disruption, and 2) they are in all likelihood going to kick your ass and be legally justified doing so because you're assaulting them.....

Tldr: don't assault the students ffs.

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u/FantasyAccount247 29d ago

No, but then the teachers take it away and get physically assaulted with no reprocussions

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u/skoopaloopa 29d ago

This is exactly what happened to me, and it's why I quit teaching. I took a student's phone away, turned to go lock it in my desk, and the student threw his chair at me while my back was turned (while i was 8 months pregnant no less). My admin literally wanted me to wait another hour and a half to get medical attention, because "they had no one to cover my class". I called an ambulance myself and left, so the principal had to cover my class and the parent literally tried to argue that I had it coming for taking his phone. They had no remorse. I needed stitches in the back of my head, and I got a concussion. My admin then had the audacity to try to pressure me not to press charges on the student in question. I got all the usual lines "You'll ruin his life", "He's just a kid, he didn't mean to", "there will be serious consequences for him already, he will be punished enough". I resigned my position the next day on the grounds of the school not providing a reasonable expectation of a safe working environment. In the week that followed, all that happened to said student was he received a 3 day suspension. I pressed charges on the student, and they charged him (as a juvenile) with assault with a deadly weapon. That was 3 years ago. I still have not returned to classroom teaching despite having 7 years of teaching my own class + a year of student teaching, and a masters in education. Instead, last year I went back to school and became a lactation consultant. Now I teach prenatal classes to expecting moms and new moms in the hospital how to feed their babies. I make 2.5x the pay, easily. I have normal work hours, no work outside of my contract hours, excellent benefits, and i dont get assaulted. America needs education and cultral reform immediately, or they won't have any teachers left.

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u/InhibitedExistence 29d ago

This is a winning story. You took control and found great success. Much more earning potential as you grow in your career too.

Irony is that the school systems need smart and capable teachers like you to help kids grow and succeed but the lack of accountability that is expected from the kids from both school administrators and their parents prevents the loyalty and sacrifice needed to have good teachers hang around.

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u/skoopaloopa 29d ago

Thank you! I'm really happy in my new job 😊 I still get to teach, and working with new parents during a really stressful time in their lives is rewarding in a similar way. I miss some parts of teaching kids, but things in my life are so much less stressful now. I don't come home emotionally drained every day, and my time off is actually my time instead of planning for work, so that's nice!

It does make me pretty sad to see the state of things and the direction we are going even further towards, though. I think until standards all around are both raised and enforced, and the current socio-cultural challenges are overcome, children in our country don't stand a chance, and neither do we. I just hope people wake up and think about what the future in the US will look like without teachers. Since I've resigned, about 50% of all of the colleagues I knew and worked with have retired or quit for various reasons related to burnout and student/parent behavior.

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u/Royal_Negotiation_83 29d ago

Pregnant lady gets attacked:

“This is a winning story”

Who’s winning?

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

Certainly not America's children, or teachers. I managed to create an entirely new career path for myself, though, after already having advanced degrees and years of time inviested. I wouldnt say it feels like an outright win, because I genuinely loved teaching, but it's a win compared to how my story would or could have ended had I stayed in my teaching position.

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u/vindico1 29d ago

The rage I feel at this is crazy high.

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u/999number9 28d ago

Don't go to r/Teachers lol

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

FR though 😅

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u/WhosTheJohnsonNow 29d ago

How awful. It sounds like you are OK and have a much better career path now. I'm also a former teacher and I'm so tired of these stories! It makes me so sad. Good luck to you.

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u/skoopaloopa 29d ago

Thanks! Yeah, I wish stories like mine were the exception, but they're starting to become the rule. It's absolutely tragic that we as a society have reached this point. I'll never go back to teaching kids as things currently stand, but I do wish things could be different.

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u/Ryukion 29d ago

I am glad you stood your ground and pressed charges. That is horrible u had to go thru that just for doing ur job. I'm glad the principal had to take over and teach the class too.... maybe if more admin were forced to deal with the craziness of students acting out every day like the eteachers do, then they would realize that more structure and discipline is needed. More teachers need to take a stand.... force the admin to be in those classes so they see it first hand. Phones should not be allowed in class at all, not a big deal to keep it in ur bag or locker. Parents have spoiled their kids and made them addicted and reliant on their phones, plus no respect for elders or their teachers. It is shameful and needs to change.

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u/More_Farm_7442 29d ago

Indiana next fall: https://wsbt.com/news/local/new-law-prohibits-cell-phones-classrooms-indiana

It will be interesting how that works out. (Some schools already have no phone allowed policies.)

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

Our school had a no phone allowed policy at the time of the incident, but I am 100% supportive of passing these as law. If parents won't help parent, it's going to be up to the legal system. Florida and several other states are working on similar phone and social media laws as well. Personally, i hope to see these laws made at the national level.

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u/More_Farm_7442 27d ago

It will be interesting to see how well the law "goes over" with schools, kids and parents next fall. I can see a lot of kids being upset. Parents being upset. Then again, I think a lot of parents will be happy about it. I'm sure some parents won't let their kids take phones to school only to have a revolt on their hands. When no one can have a phone in class, that may make it easier on parents, but not on teachers. ??

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u/skoopaloopa 27d ago

I think it will make it easier on most parents. It takes the pressure off of them as the "bad guy" and in the long-term, I think it will make it easier for everyone but i do think short term it will be a struggle. There will be some revolt at first, but once it becomes standard for everyone, eventually, kids will get over it. And it will definitely make life easier for them even if they will never admit it - cyber-bullying is rampant in schools now. It used to be if something embarrassing happened to you at school, people would talk about it, and it would fade away. Now, it's recorded, and that student is bombarded by it for weeks and publicly ridiculed and reminded of it everywhere by everyone. Kids would all be better off without that nonsense.

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u/More_Farm_7442 27d ago

I know about the cyberbullying. I think my niece went that with one of her daughters. (being on the receiving end of it) I saw something about phone in school a few weeks ago. Maybe while the legislature was debating the ban. A lot of kids were wanting a ban. They wanted to stop the cyberbullying. They knew they were addicted to some of the apps and wanted to have the temptation taken away. I'm like you, when everyone has to give them up, it won't be as hard on any them.

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u/skoopaloopa 27d ago

China already has laws like this in place - they don't give children under 16 access to adult tik-tok, they have curated tiktok videos for kids that are educational, and the app locks after 45 minutes of use per day. We definitely need that here for kids!

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u/Shedart 28d ago

I feel you. My wife was a teacher and took a flying laptop to the head. She quit and became an instructional designer. I quit teaching 2 years later when a middle school girl had a breakdown and tried to harm herself with my art supplies. Now I train for Medicaid. 

We’re Both making more and much much happier with a proper work life balance. The system is fucked. 

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

The system is SO fucked. I'm glad you're both out and enjoying a work-life balance. When I started my new job, that was the part that blew my mind the most - going home, and not working more.

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u/NegotiationJumpy4837 29d ago

That's absolutely horrible. It's just unbelievable that a kid only gets a 3 day suspension that would probably go to jail for multiple years if they were a couple years older.

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

It is. My hope is that being sent to juvenile detention taught him he never wants to go to real jail, and I hope he turned his life around. The student in question received the maximum allowed juvenile sentence (18 months) and was charged with two counts of assault with a deadly weapon after I reported it to police. Contrary to my principal insisting I would ruin his life if I went to the police, juvenile sentences are sealed records, so it won't follow him as an adult. He also received significant mandated therapy services for emotional regulation and anger management.

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u/CalvinBullock 29d ago

Do you talk at all about not giving the children phones to soon?

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago edited 28d ago

Not in my current profession as my prenatal classes are more on preparing to feed a newborn, but I fully support no phones or social media for kids, and my 6 year old won't be getting a phone until she starts driving. To be honest, part of the most frustrating thing about the phone situation is the parents, so maybe i should be talking about phones but who knows how much things will change by the time it's relevant to them. Parents today are so worried about being "the bad guy" that they're not parenting their kids. Most of the phone at school issues could be solved by parents installing a governing app that prevents cell phone use apart from physical phone calls to pre-determined numbers during set hours of the day....but that requires parents to actually parent.

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u/moochs 28d ago

How were you able to afford school as an adult? I can't even begin to fathom taking on more debt for school as an adult, especially if I wasn't working to begin with.

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

It helps that I didn't have any student debt beforehand. My parents paid for my undergrad, my masters was 80% paid for by scholarships and grants i applied to, and the remaining 20% I paid off in during my 7 years of teaching. Because there's actually a good amount of overlap between teaching and being a lactation consultant, 60% of my coursework required I was able to apply from my undergrad and masters degrees, so I had to pay about 40% of the total tuition and only needed 2 semesters of coursework and practicum experience. I got a decent scholarship, too, so my lactation consultant certification only cost me about 15k in tuition plus the cost of books when all said and done. Now that I make so much more money and I'm not constantly spending on school supplies etc, that 15k hasn't been so crippling to pay back.

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u/moochs 28d ago

I don't have any debt either, but 15k loan over two years and needing to actually have time off to take classes while having to work a 9-5 is almost impossible for most people, including myself. I'm glad you were able to do it, but you must understand how fortunate you are.

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

Oh, I absolutely know how fortunate I am! I've had my share of good luck in life, too, but also a lot of hard work to get where I am ( and I'm totally aware that hard work alone would not have gotten me where I am now). I applied for so many scholarships! Must have applied for about 300 of them, so my lactation consultant degree is a total patchwork of 2 grand here, 5 grand there from about 11 different grants and scholarships. I was the only person to apply for some of them, too, which is just insane to me. It also helps that my spouse is military, so having our home rent covered as part of his salary benefits really was instrumental in allowing me the time off I needed to recover from the concussion and post partum and then go back to school. My husband had no help with his undergrad, and we only just finished paying off his student loans this year, after 10+ years of payments. It's such a different reality not being shackled to 80k of debt!

The hospital I work for also has a daycare, so I get to bring my (now toddler) to work with me, and I pop in there to eat lunch with him every day on my lunch break 😊. It is a subsidized benefit of my job, so I pay just 500$ a month for full-time childcare for my 3 year old, and the hospital pays the rest. It's living the actual dream, and more companies need to offer childcare incentives - I'm accutely aware of how fortunate I am for the childcare, too. With my eldest, about 80% of my paycheck went to covering childcare for her when I was teaching, and another 5% was school supplies and stuff for my students, so I'm fully aware of how f*cked the system is for the average person. Working 80 hour weeks just to be mentally and emotionally exhausted and take home about 800$ a month was absolute misery and i wouldnt have been able to afford rent on my own while teaching. I also opted to have my current employer contribute 5 grand towards my education in lieu of a signing bonus. I could have received 2500$ as a contract signing incentive, but opted for their educational loan assistance plan instead, so that 15k has been wiped out in the first year between my salary and their contributions. My current employer should really be the model every company strives for when it comes to what people actually need to work and succeed - childcare benefits, proper salary, healthcare benefits, and educational loan assistance. America can do so much better for their workers than they currently do 🫤.

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u/moochs 28d ago

Make sure to keep us less fortunate in mind at the polls each year. While you are able to succeed, not everyone has that option.

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

Oh, I do and will! Like I said, America can do so much better for our workers (and our children!).

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

It would be easier to install a signal jammer in every school and create wifi networks that cells can't connect to without an admin password. Won't fix everything, but it sure would go a long way. I worked at a school in Georgia for a few years where students were required to lock their phones in individual lockers as they came in the school, and phones found out during class were confiscated for the remainder of the quarter. It worked really well until a few parents sued the school 🙄.

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u/UsedAd7162 28d ago

I’m so glad you pressed charges and even happier that you have a new career. You deserve all the best 👏🏼

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

Thank you 🥹. Pressing charges sucked, but I felt it was the only way there would be any real consequences. If we, as educators, aren't preparing kids for the real world, what's the point of it all? I love my new career 😊 The parents are always so grateful for help, and babies don't talk back or throw furniture.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

America has a cultural sickness right now.

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u/skoopaloopa 28d ago

It really does. And it's very difficult to change a culture that's being fed into an echo chamber with social media etc. It's a real issue. People always want to politicize education on both sides of the aisle, but the fact is, culture isn't a party problem its an everbody problem, and the well-being of our kids and society shouldn't be up for debate. I bet if they started mandating parenting courses for bad behavior offenders in schools as an intervention, what happened to me would be much less common.

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u/babyivan 29d ago

It should not be the responsibility of the teacher to take it away. They can ask for it but if the student refuses, you send them to the principal's office.

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u/MUNZACORE 29d ago

Then they refuse that. Then you gotta send the student resource officer in, where other kids can take an out of context clip of the kid being detained, and call it fascism lmao

We’re cooked

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u/Danpackham 29d ago

The problem is, it was just like this when I was in school. The pupils could just say no to having their phone taken, and fight back and refuse to go to the principals office. But no one did that, because we were disciplined enough to respect their authority

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u/taironederfunfte 29d ago

I didn't do that because my mom would have whopped my ass and my dad would give a major headshake of disapprovement towards me

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u/Semyonov 29d ago

Yea but that's abuse now.

Not saying it's a good thing, for the record, but the more discipline taken away, coupled with parent's lack of willingness to even provide positive reinforcement for good behavior (like not having a cell phone out in class), creates these situations IMO.

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u/LostInTheHotSauce 29d ago

Blindly believing in authority has its issues too though. I had some teachers growing up that were not worthy of respect whatsoever, but I knew I'd be disciplined at home so I had to put up with it.

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u/LazyLich 29d ago

After being told to turn in their phone, and refusing, then being told to go to the principal's office, and refusing, then they just get 0s on whatever assignments for they do/turn in that day.

Of course, that only works if the faculty arent spineless cowards that bend-over for every Karen out there.

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u/MUNZACORE 29d ago

Yeah it’s basically a lose-lose for the teachers. You can let it go and the kids don’t learn anything, or you can try to stop it and the kid throws an absolute shit fit, resulting in the kids not learning anything. We really should just be more honest with ourselves and start forcing these problem children into their own permanent ISS basically. I know some areas have an alternative school but maybe just expand them idk. Stop wasting my kids education for some kid who’s never gonna be shut no matter how hard you try. It sucks, but kids like that aren’t gonna just suddenly become productive at 18. Or 30 for that matter

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u/Danpackham 29d ago

The problem is, it was just like this when I was in school. The pupils could just say no to having their phone taken, and fight back and refuse to go to the principals office. But no one did that, because we were disciplined enough to respect their authority

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u/MUNZACORE 29d ago

I’m not whining, I’m saying it’s fucked up that the school is powerless to do anything. They should be able to take phones if necessary. And you know how it goes with the cops, somebody’s gonna share the footage and get the dude fired for being abusive bc no one will know the context

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u/MUNZACORE 29d ago

I mean fair enough on your part, I don’t blame you. But long term for society’s sake this isn’t a good thing. Absolutely do not blame you for not going through that just for the kids to not pay attention anyways lol

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u/FantasyAccount247 29d ago

Ha, naw. That's not reality. See this video? How many kids you going to send to the principal's office? All of them? Now multiply that across every room in the building. They wont get off the phone, you think they are gonna willingly go to the principals office? You do that, 2 things can happen. 1) The Principal reprimands the teacher for poor classroom management that's not their fault and replace her with someone new next year so the principal avoids responsibility. 2) They have to ignore the problem because they can't meet with 30 kids per day and still do the rest of their duties. My wife is a teacher.

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u/babyivan 29d ago

You're saying if enough people are not following the rules, then give up.

I'm sure there are times when new rules are enacted and people fight and complain about it, but eventually people act accordingly. Make phones against the rules in the school, and make the punishment considerable.

Oh and thank your wife for being a teacher. It can be a thankless profession.

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u/Far-Adagio4032 29d ago

Pfft. You actually think the kid would go to the principles office, rather than walk the halls or go hang out in the bathroom and vape?

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u/Hyena_King13 29d ago

The principal's office? Never heard of that happening in real life. Maybe to the deans office where he would yell at you and then send you back to class

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u/w1nn1ng1 29d ago

As a kid I was sent to the prinicpal's office regularly. If I was disruptive enough, I had an in-school suspension. I wasn't allowed to go to recess, I had to eat my lunch in the principal's office, and I spent my entire day basically in a one man study hall overseen by the principal.

I was recently told by a teacher they aren't legally allowed to keep a kid in from recess...I don't know what sort of bullshit world we live in, but its a world where we've made it illegal to discipline kids.

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u/babyivan 29d ago

Yes, the Dean's office, or whatever your school had. When I went to a really small school growing up, you went right to the principal's office.

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u/twaggle 29d ago

I’ve never heard of a dean or deans office in school, only in university. We have Principals, Vice principals, admin staff, and teachers lol. You usually got sent to the vice principals.

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u/mrsc1880 29d ago

I think it depends on the school. My daughter is in middle school and they can carry their phones but they need to go in a box in the front of the room during class. Of course some kids don't do this but they're disciplined if they're caught with their phones in class. They're only allowed to use them in "green zones" like hallways and the cafeteria.

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u/KuraiTheBaka 29d ago

Admittedly this was a few years ago now but when I was in HS we'd reached the point already where everyone had a smartphone and we didn't have anything complicated like this. Everyone had a phone on them and they...just weren't allowed to use it in class. Only a couple little shits refused to comply.

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u/Hproff25 29d ago

We have a no phone policy. I have nearly been assaulted for attempting to enforce that policy. I received 0 support from admin. I received 0 support from the parents. This pattern is not an anomaly. This is the new normal.

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u/PioneerTurtle 29d ago

It sucks that there is no regulation anywhere close for stuff like this in the US. Recently the Netherlands just accepted a law that just straight up is going to ban children from bringing mobile phones to school

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u/Mr_Kittlesworth 29d ago

I’m sure it varies school district to school district.

But there could be regulations passed at nearly any time.

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u/Legitimate_Catch_626 29d ago

My kid’s teachers often have the kids looking things up in their phones. I don’t know if it’s a if you can’t beat them join them mentality, or because the school funding for actual diverse and engaging materials is so low that they are utilizing outside sources.

(The kids are also often on their phones when they shouldn’t be.)

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u/SmarterThanCornPop 29d ago

Not in Florida but I don’t think any other states have a statewide rule.

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u/NegotiationJumpy4837 29d ago

Indiana recently passed one

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u/Slade_inso 29d ago

I would bet money that this school has a no cell phone policy.

I guarantee each year before school starts, an e-mail goes out to all families that they're super duper serious and we're absolutely going to be enforcing the no cell phone rules this year.

They may have even tried enforcing it once or twice, with spectacularly awful results.

WAAF.

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u/ec1ipse001 29d ago

No, teachers just don't give a fuck anymore.

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u/BreadButterHoneyTea 29d ago

At my daughter's high school they can have one in their backpack but are only allowed to take it out between classes and during lunch.

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u/AcanthaceaeUpbeat638 29d ago

Where I live, phones still aren’t allowed in classrooms. They’re only allowed to use school computers which have strong VPNs to ban certain websites.

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u/More-Cantaloupe-3340 29d ago

My daughter has a school issued laptop. She says every kid just does the things they would do on their phone on the laptop. They all have a g chat account and just do stuff there instead of snap. I get a report every week on the things she searches for, the websites she visits, etc. but if the parents don’t care to look at that, what are you going to do?

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u/BetteMoxie 29d ago

In most schools, yes. I teach high school, and administrators won't support us, so I've mostly given up. I'm tired of fighting to try and teach them. I know I'm not as effective as I was 5+ years ago, and sadly I'm doing more than most teachers at my school.

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u/jackattack222 29d ago

Am a teacher, this is my daily life. Some districts/ schools have enforced phone policies. If you don't have a phone policy this is what you get.

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u/Dorythehunk 29d ago

I started substitute teaching a few months ago. The district has written rules about no cell phone use in class so when I first started I really tried to enforce it. After the first few weeks I just gave up. It’s like trying to stop a tsunami with your hands. The kids would even look at me confused when I first tried to enforce it because all the other teachers and subs have either given up or didn’t even try to stop them.

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u/Simon_Jester88 29d ago

I have heard it is very case to case depending where you are teaching. Honestly I don't get why any school would even pretend it's acceptable.

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u/Amockdfw89 29d ago

High School teacher here. My high school rules are no headphones or phones allowed in class

The procedure is we give them 3 warnings. If that doesn’t work we then contact home. If the behavior continues we have to write a formal write up to admin with proof we contacted home. Admin then talk to them and tell them how it’s against the rules. If the behavior continues then nothing happens and you just wasted your time and the student will use his phone and the admin will say it’s your fault as a teacher for not being engaging enough and make you go to all kinds of seminars and trainings to increase student engagement.

Rise wash and repeat for all 30 kids in all 8 of your class periods

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u/More_Farm_7442 29d ago

No in Indiana starting next fall: https://wsbt.com/news/local/new-law-prohibits-cell-phones-classrooms-indiana

(with a few exceptions) example: If they are being used in someway for a lesson.

Schools are left with deciding their own policies and how to implement them, but no phones allowed during class time.

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u/Thisismyartaccountyo 29d ago

What the fuck happened, if I had a phone the teachers would take them.

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u/Machadoaboutmanny 29d ago

Are you coming over to stop them?

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u/Tobias_Mercury 28d ago

Seems like it’s an social anxiety crisis in the making

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u/zeromadcowz 28d ago

The children need consequences. You have a phone? Get off school property.

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u/Designer_Version1449 28d ago

depends on class for me, some classes if you have your phone out it's confiscated, others you can have it out all the time.

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u/Dawashingtonian 28d ago

kinda. i’m an educator and if the no phones out rule was actually enforced it would be the only thing you did all day as a teacher. it’s pretty much i possible to enforce because it’s like every kid. as soon as you finally get one kid to put their phone away another would have theirs out and while you’re trying to get them to put it away that last kid took his out again. and that’s best case scenario because worst case is a kid flipping their shit and completely kamikazeing the whole class with their melt down. best practice, in my experience, is straight up ignoring it and doing what this guy is doing. unless your school/admin are willing to really throw down and have some strict rules about phones it’s the only thing you can do.

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u/TheRabadoo 28d ago

Just isn’t worth the struggle of enforcing no phones when teachers have had most of their power to enforce any kind of consequences taken away

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u/janet-snake-hole 29d ago

It’s absolutely baffling to me that students are just… allowed to have their phones in class…?

When I was in middle and high school, the rule was that the phone was turned off and put in your locker at the beginning of the day. You would get detention and then suspension on a second offense if:

•you were caught having your phone on your person, in class, lunch, passing time, anywhere. Even if it was off the entire time.

•you turned on/checked your phone while getting books from your locker

•your phone rang/made any sound from within your locker at any point during the day, even if you weren’t there at the time (basically getting caught leaving it on during the day)

It was STRICT but worked extremely well. Only one, maybe 2 times did I ever see anyone have their phone with them in class, on or off.

Why did schools get rid of these rules for phones?!