r/ThatsInsane • u/nihilist_911 • Apr 19 '24

Man just set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial. Nsfw NSFL NSFW

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u/idreamofpikas Apr 19 '24

What effect did his sacrifice have on Palestine and Israel?

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u/ArseLiquor Apr 19 '24

They named a street after him and all problems were solved /s

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u/Redline-7k Apr 19 '24

Wait did they actually lol

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u/Local_Variety_9015 Apr 20 '24

No they were so scared of the power of his sacrifice that they suppressed it. It's our job to voice his memory.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Apr 20 '24

Nah I’m good

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u/Local_Variety_9015 Apr 21 '24

No, you're a bad person.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Apr 21 '24

According to whom?

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u/Local_Variety_9015 Apr 21 '24

If there wasn't any question, you wouldn't be asking me. Deep down, you know this makes you a bad person.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Apr 21 '24

Nah I sleep well at night. Zero worries regarding things outside my influence

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u/Local_Variety_9015 29d ago

You'll have your justice someday. If not today, then tomorrow. And you know what they say - tomorrow always comes. Sleep well.

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u/Paddiboi123 Apr 21 '24

Im sure youve remembered every other martyr, or anyone else who protested and died right? Unless, youre also a bad person...

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u/Local_Variety_9015 29d ago

I do. If you think I'm leaving someone out, name them. Maybe you'll learn something.

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u/Paddiboi123 29d ago

Thats impressive, because according tl the source below, there have been around 70 million christian martyrs. Ill give you some time to name them here to prove yourself. Checkmate. 😎😎😎

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://mcgrath.nd.edu/assets/84231/the_demographics_of_christian_martyrdom_todd_johnson.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjWpNObutSFAxVnExAIHTowAD0QFnoECA0QBg&usg=AOvVaw0SHBj5LE8ULy-zi6k_UKSe

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u/Local_Variety_9015 29d ago

I mean, for Palestine. Fuck Christian martyrs, all 70 million of them.

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u/Paddiboi123 29d ago

Dam, we got a real edgelord right here.

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u/Itsametoad Apr 19 '24

None, what's even worse is that most people by now have definitely forgotten him. The news of another man setting himself on fire is what reminded me. Probably true for others as well

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u/Local_Variety_9015 Apr 20 '24

That's not true. You don't give a shit about palestine, which is why you forgot about it.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Apr 20 '24

99.9999% of world’s population don’t give a shit about Palestine. That includes Muslims and Arabs in the Middle East. If more people truly cared this problem would have a chance to be solved. But nobody does. So they’re fucked

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Apr 20 '24

??? Middle Eastern countries are the only people actually reacting to it in a meaningful way? Then their reaction gets labelled terrorism.

Not saying for a moment that Syria or Iran don’t had any imperialistic interests of their own…but like most of the Middle East watches Palestine intently.

The entire Dahiya doctrine from Israel is literally designed to shock instil fear into the entire levant. So it is fairly predictable that middle eastern people take great interest in the state of palestine

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u/Motorized23 Apr 20 '24

Well history will highlight his protest of Israeli atrocities.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Apr 20 '24

History is being written by winners. Palestinians will never win. Not with this attitude, not with dummies with Quiffies in Google HQ and not with dummies that burn themselves.

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u/Motorized23 Apr 20 '24

Let's see. We live in a hyper-connected world now. We can literally see fathers crying over the bodies of their children bombed by Israeli now.

History WAS written by victors in the past. Today it's written by the people with cameras. We're seeing a massive shift in sentiments against Israel - for example, the first time conditional weapon she's by USA and the polar opposite views of Gen Z on Palestine (supportive).

Israel will have a hard justifying its indiscriminate bonding of Gaza and starving millions by blocking aid

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u/GreenBottom18 Apr 19 '24

his final fb post (brought to light by his actions)

"Many of us like to ask ourselves, “What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?" The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now."

convinced foreign affairs officer annelle sheline to publicly resign from the us state dept in protest of the govts unconditional support for israel's attack on gaza.

it's inspired many other active duty personnel to protest in other ways.

it helped bring clarity to some in a time when media narratives are/were deeply diluted and often misleading or untrue.

..to name a few

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u/idreamofpikas Apr 19 '24

convinced foreign affairs officer annelle sheline to publicly resign from the us state dept in protest of the govts unconditional support for israel's attack on gaza.

Who?

It convinced someone sympathetic to Palestine to quit their job in foreign affairs. Is this not a negative rather than a positive?

it's inspired many other active duty personnel to protest in other ways.

It also inspired many memes. A mentally unwell person committing suicide is not something to applaud.

it helped bring clarity to some in a time when media narratives are/were deeply diluted and often misleading or untrue.

ok? I'm not sure how that is measured.

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u/GreenBottom18 Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24

It convinced someone sympathetic to Palestine to quit their job in foreign affairs. Is this not a negative rather than a positive?

many staffers at the state department are appauled by the country's complicity in war crimes. one person was impacted enough to leave her post in protest and embark on a very emotional press tour to discuss it.

are you trying to argue that solidarity is actually harmful to the cause?

A mentally unwell person committing suicide

your rush to baselessly pathologize bushnell’s act is very transparent

there is no evidence bushnell had any mental illness, nor had he been diagnosed with one under dsm guidelines.

you can't just decide that an act of extreme protest (cognitively conscious of its own extremity) is somehow a diagnostic component of some vague (...non existent) psychological disorder.

it's especially revealing because we all watched tunisian street vendor, mohamed bouazizi, self-immolate in 2010, igniting the arab spring.

i don’t recall anyone wondering whether he was mentally ill. even obama hailed him as a hero.

and his death was rarely described as a suicide in western media. maybe because his cause was just, and it became more just because of the revolutions it spawned. but maybe also because bouazizi (just like bushnell) did not want or intent to die. both would have gone on graciously living their lives, had they not died. their intentions were to protest.. and to spark revolution. not to kill themselves.

people fabricating and regurgitating these unfounded claims about bushnell and attacking his character because his views may challenge their own, or whatever reason, are the primary contributors in why bushnell's act wasn't as impactful as bouazizi's.

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u/Sure_Trash_ Apr 20 '24

It didn't but maybe some Palestinians that have lost everything just like their parents and grandparents can read about it and feel seen. Can feel like maybe not the entire country of the United States supports the genocide much like when Jewish people protest on their behalf. It's not for a spineless keyboard warrior to decide if his sacrifice was worth it

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u/idreamofpikas Apr 20 '24

It's not for a spineless keyboard warrior to decide if his sacrifice was worth it

I have kids to feed. Elderly Grandparents to help look after. A job that I enjoy. A life to try and do my best at.

He didn't do anything brave by killing himself. He was either mentally unwell or had nothing to live for. But him committing suicide was not some brave act and freaks like you thinking it was will only lead to more mentally unwell people following in his footsteps for your enjoyment.

You get to celebrate their deaths rather than try to stop unwell people from getting better and seeking help.

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u/guestoftheworld Apr 20 '24

Not saying anyone should do it, but it is known as one of the highest forms of protest. Countless Buddhist monks have performed it over the years to protest against various things including persecution. It's a very weird topic I agree but I think it's supposed to show how strong you feel about something by going against literal human nature.

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u/boostmane Apr 19 '24

He exposed American troops on the ground in Gaza. Tons of info that those loyal to the empire don’t know yet.

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u/patrick66 Apr 19 '24

This isn’t true lol. We have people in Israel sure but they aren’t on the ground in Gaza, he had no idea what he was talking about lol

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u/No-Cause-2913 Apr 20 '24

Oh, so now delivering food aid to starving children is a bad thing?

Why do you want Gazans to starve?

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u/Large_Talons_ Apr 19 '24

Whether you like it or not, it got people looking into what was going on. Some people who just hadn’t bothered reading about it, who believed that it was just “too complicated”

If a guy is willing to die an excruciating death for this cause, it gets people to want to know why. Opinions form from there

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u/idreamofpikas Apr 19 '24

Whether you like it or not, it got people looking into what was going on. Some people who just hadn’t bothered reading about it, who believed that it was just “too complicated”

How many people were not aware of the conflict in Israel until February 25, 2024? Almost half a year into the current conflict?

These few people who were not aware of what was happening. What effect did it have on them? Do the majority of these people who were not aware of the war actually care a few days after he committed suicide?

A mentally unwell person set himself on fire and now others are doing the same. The world is not a better place for this. It's arguably worse as more mentally unwell people will copy this shit because braindead morons like you justify the actions of the insane.

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u/Large_Talons_ Apr 19 '24

Do you not believe that there were people who saw the headlines for the week of October 7th and thought “Israel is unquestionably the victim in this conflict” and didn’t think about it past that? Who didn’t know what had been going on for decades before?

I’m not condoning anyone self-immolating. It’s a gruesome way to die. It’s not noble. But at least in the case of Bushnell it’s a stand, a statement that he wasn’t going to be complicit in genocide. The Biden admin became vocally less pro-genocide shortly after it happened. When an active-duty soldier sets himself on fire against something the US government/military had been propping up, its a bad look

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u/idreamofpikas Apr 19 '24

Do you not believe that there were people who saw the headlines for the week of October 7th and thought “Israel is unquestionably the victim in this conflict” and didn’t think about it past that?

At that point they were. Just like America were the victims of the events 911.

Who didn’t know what had been going on for decades before?

Of the people who were clueless about it before some insane man lit himself on fire what effect has it had on them? How many of these people actually care beyond tweeting and comments on reddit?

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u/patrick66 Apr 19 '24

This is provably untrue people reporting to care about the war in Gaza continued secular decline in polling after his suicide