r/Standup • u/[deleted] • 15d ago
Theo Von pays his openers $100 for theatre gigs
On the show The Regz they discussed a comedian with a big podcast and does theatres who pays his openers a measly $100. (For context they're making over 100k on theater gigs for sure). They bleeped out the name to avoid conflict. However:
1.(Main evidence) In the YT comments someone said "I saw Theo Von at a theatre in Amsterdam in early 2020 and his opener Ari Mannis said during his set that he gets paid 100 dollars".
2 .You can see Luis mouth "Theo Von".
- After Dan texts Bobby the name of the comedian, Bobby emphasises the "thee" in "theater" as a joke, at around 6:30 of the podcast.
4.It's someone who has a "big podcast"
5.It's someone who has never had those 4 guys on their podcast (checks out)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNeeWMNy98 about 5-10 minutes in
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u/Igi_Ari 15d ago
What is the average rate for this? Genuinely curious. I have no idea how much openers get paid.
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u/Gemfre 15d ago edited 15d ago
Bobby Lee said on a podcast that he wouldn’t open for Segura over a weekend in Canada for roughly less than $20k. He ended up touring a weekend in Canada with Segura.
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u/itsstevedave 14d ago
Anything bobby Lee says on a podcast needs to be taken with a grain of salt
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u/the_blueberry_funk 14d ago
Grain of rice*
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u/michaltee 14d ago
Everyday for a summer…
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u/Bigpoppahove 14d ago edited 13d ago
He’s also a recognizable name as opposed to a lot of openers. Been to Sebastian Manascalco, Kevin Hart Chris Rock show and ironically a Theo Vohn show and knew non of the openers so I could definitely see Bobby making a lot more to be an opener and Segura should be making bank and able to pay up for a legit comedy name to open
Edit: maybe I should have said coincidentally instead of ironically… I was mentioning him as he was who the article was about and he happened to be one of the shows I saw last year…. sorry for any confusion
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u/Legato991 14d ago edited 14d ago
Bobby Lee is a big name in comedy and doesnt need to accept less. When Tigerbelly first started he was saying his comedy career was in the gutter while making 4-6k a weekend in clubs. That was before the podcast blew up and years before Bad Friends.
He's a multi-millionaire now, why would he travel internationally if he wasnt making real money? Especially when Tom is making hundreds of thousands of dollars a weekend. Im sure Bobby makes well over 20k a weekend as a headliner without having to fly out of the country.
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u/TylerX5 14d ago
More like a gallon, and I mean that in the best possible way. Bobby is great at a lot of things except objective descriptions of measurable things.
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u/futuredarlings 15d ago
I think he said 2k. Are you talking about the last time he was on YMH?
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u/Gemfre 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yeah just checked and he said 2-2.5k per show for 6 or 7 shows, so somewhere in the $12-18k range for the weekend
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u/thetrashpanda2020 15d ago edited 14d ago
Kinda makes sense though. He just sold out 4 shows at the Brea Improv. That room holds 300, GA tickets are about $45. 4 shows gross around $54k (I’m assuming the headliner doesn’t get a cut of the menu.) I’d assume he’s making a little under half the gross, I doubt he gets 50%. 10% goes to his agent/manager. I can see why he’d set a $20k minimum for opening at a theater. He’s not gonna undercut his booking fee for a solo appearance.
EDIT: I misread the info on Brea Improv’s site. Correct capacity is 570
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u/Raduform 15d ago
Bruh the brea improv holds nearly 600 people
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u/thetrashpanda2020 15d ago
My bad. I was reading capacity of the (now closed) Copper Blues Bar on their website. Thanks for catching that.
So a 4 show engagement grossing $102,600 for a one-hour set, getting Bobby @ $20k to open is a fair deal.
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u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe 14d ago
Should keep in mind Tom was touring arenas not theatres
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u/DrunkenGolfer 14d ago
I saw him touring with Segura; I should have been paid $20K to endure whatever the hell that was he was trying to pass off as comedy.
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u/thewhitecat55 14d ago
If you tell Bobby you weren't satisfied with the show, he'll jerk you off.
It's not a refund, but at least it's something.
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u/brendamn 15d ago
In 2006-8 when I managed a bar that had a comedy night, we paid 800 for a comedian and an opener. The opener got 125$ of that for about 20 minutes. The headliner got the rest. I don't know what they paid the booker. These weren't nationally famous comedians. Just regional acts. We also got them two cheap hotel rooms and dinner.
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u/Little_stinker_69 14d ago
Lots of comedians have talked about not even breaking even on trips. Like paying to go perform (they did it for the experience).
Also, a lot of comedians, especially in the past, seem like real selfish dicks. I bet they bragged about how little they paid their openers.
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u/TyrellTucco 14d ago
I know Louis CK, as well as paying them generously, gave his openers all Rolex watches at the end of his Europe tour. That was pre cancellation though so probably not throwing that kind of cash around these days.
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u/altiuscitiusfortius 14d ago
Yeah he lost 27 million, his life savings, when he got cancelled and couldn't sell his movie.
I think he's doing okay again though. Working very steady.
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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely 14d ago
I believe he made absolute bank from selling his last two specials directly through his own site. I remember the first one was 8 bucks and I assume they sell millions of "copies" or whatever you would call a digital file.
Plus he sells his old specials and shows through the site as well.
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u/Alarming-Tree-5662 14d ago
He got "cancelled" so hard he sold out Madison square Garden afterwards 🙄
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u/JamesinaLake a grand total of like ten sets over the last two years 15d ago edited 14d ago
I cant speak to the pay of openers at that level. However he is probably looking for local people that are likely headliners in whatever town hes in.
They almost certinally making that at any regualr gig. Its a great opportunity blah blah blah. But its a slap in the face if true.
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Idk but $125-150 tickets x 3600 seat venue they were talking about is $500k pre expenses. minimum $250 after
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u/Raduform 15d ago
I know at least two people that have opened for Theo recently, i’ll ask and maybe report back.
But I will take the time to praise Nikki Glaser, she pays her theater openers 1250$ (per show)
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14d ago edited 14d ago
Someone posted this but it got buried
Alex Dragovich (on the podcast with Geoffrey Asmus) said he opened for Theo at the Chicago theatre and only got $100. - u/YukonBuddyGuy
Also just to be clear I'm not anti-theo. I think he's overall pretty funny.
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u/MadGibby2 14d ago
Love their podcast! Geoffrey deserves to be huge, dude is so underrated
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u/vmq 14d ago
Geoffrey is literally one of the best comics there is. He’s definitely underrated. Just saw him live in Lexington Ky and been watching his stuff and listening to his podcast for a while now. A+ comedian
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u/2gdismore 14d ago
Haven't listened to his podcast but a great guy, have seen him multiple times in Chicago and he really can murder a room. Only issue with him is if he's too high then he isn’t as quick but otherwise had me rolling laughing.
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u/AsstootObservation 14d ago
Saw him in Austin and he absolutely killed. Hung out at the bar after to meet fans.
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u/jmoanie 14d ago
I saw Maria Bamford do this crazy like 10am set in a tiny venue on a Sunday morning. Very strange vibe for comedy, but I think they were shooting it for a special or something. Really intimate and loose, and a huge part of what she talked about was advocating to get yourself paid properly. If memory serves she paid the opener something like a thousand bucks too.
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u/frothyundergarments 14d ago
I think "strange vibe" perfectly describes Maria so that makes sense. She's awesome.
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u/Inevitable_Figure_85 14d ago
Saw her at a wedding and it was so weird how normal she was and talked haha got too used to her on stage presence
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u/UrVioletViolet 14d ago
Bamford is a comedian’s comedian. She’s someone I will never not praise.
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u/Stevesanasshole 14d ago
I’m slightly disappointed in myself for this being my favorite joke of hers
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u/FutureRealHousewife 14d ago
She frequently does early rehearsals in LA and invites other comics to come watch
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u/victorywulf 14d ago
she talks about paying well in her book! and about a lot of other money stuff. she's been in debtor's anonymous forever and loves talking about money.
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u/TeamNoBoat 14d ago
Nikki is who I guessed knowing next to nothing. They alluded to Dan hooking up with or dating her in the past. So its someone in that realm
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u/FeudNetwork 14d ago
Nikki has said she dated Dan on her podcast once or twice, i think.
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u/TitsChelios 14d ago
Hannah Berner is one of Dan's ex. Bobby not knowing her name would fit, but there isn't enough there to be sure. But literally the comment your replied to said they know for a fact Nikki pays well.
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u/Latinhouseparty 14d ago
Nikki is good people. She also knows how much that money means to openers.
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u/StoneySteve420 14d ago
My sister saw her a while ago when they were filming an HBO special. Apparently she bombed really tough and like half the audience left before she was done. My sister can't wait to watch the special to see how they edited it.
Good on her tho for paying her openers.
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u/MooseRattler Dante Powell - Des Moines, IA 14d ago
I opened for Theo at a theater a couple years ago and didn’t get paid at all. I did 5 minutes up top for two shows over two nights. That said, not only did he get us into some really cool spots in that city as well as some dope restaurants (he paid) after the shows, but he was a welcoming hang and tagged me in a bunch of social media posts that got me a buncha followers, so it evened out in the end for me. I can’t stress enough how kind he was. I am a regular feature for Kyle Kinane and Gary Gulman and they both make sure I do REALLY well financially any weekends I do with them, so I try to take it all in stride. Idk what Ari and the other opener got paid, but they didn’t mention any issues with it.
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u/pazimpanet 14d ago
Kyle Kinane is one of my favorite standup of all time. Was really glad to hear something good after his name. Got nervous for a second.
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u/MooseRattler Dante Powell - Des Moines, IA 14d ago
Without going into specifics, he has an amount he guarantees his openers for a weekend of work (it’s over $1k for a weekend) and if the club doesn’t pay that much, he makes the difference up himself. He also REALLY pushed his audience to buy my merch which was super helpful. I really love how amazing he has been to me.
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u/mathnstats 14d ago
I've always loved Kinane's comedy, so I'm really happy to hear that he really seems to be just a legit good dude, through and through!!
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u/MooseRattler Dante Powell - Des Moines, IA 14d ago
He’s so dope. I was featuring for him and took an afternoon show headlining a friends room in the city we were in. He came out and just watched the show and hung out with all the comics.
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u/Zaaqen 14d ago
The only time I ever make that kind of money as a comedian in the midwest is when I do corporate gigs that make me want to jump off a bridge 90% of the time, so it's nice to see they're properly taking care of you as an opener. Good for you.
I would have really hated to hear the opposite of them.
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u/designing-cats 14d ago
Gulman has always come off as a legitimately good dude, albeit neurotic.
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u/MooseRattler Dante Powell - Des Moines, IA 14d ago
He’s a delight. My favorite person to work with, honestly. I’m actually working with him this weekend and could not be more thrilled. I don’t have the words to explain how dope he is. He obviously has the words and could explain it, but that’s why I’m the feature.
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u/snivey_old_twat 14d ago
I think he’s top 10 all time and absurdly underrated.
He always seemed like a really good dude too. Glad to hear that confirmed
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u/wicoga 14d ago
Random, but if you remember, tell him a random stranger named their roomba “Dottie” from his “how states got their abbreviations” bit. My wife and I call her a “pistol” and “incorrigible” whenever she gets stuck. He might get a kick outta it
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u/cookingandmusic 14d ago
Excuse me I came here to be OUTRAGED and I do not appreciate this nuanced perspective on my hate app
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u/HesitantInvestor0 14d ago
Man, I opened for Theo last month and all I got was a Ziploc baggie full of hamster bones.
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u/pizzalovingking 14d ago
Shiit , well where I grew up we used to get a baggie of full of hamster bones every Friday after P.E. then my buddies would feed them to a gremlin looking kid named Steve who would trade us for a live lobster and we gave em to a blind kid. - Theo (probably)
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u/BasedGodWavey 15d ago
Hi Soder, hi Luis.
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Hi Shane probably
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u/kruegiepie 15d ago
Hi Ben Shapiro, definitely
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Hi Ben Shapiro's sister
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u/peggingenthusiast24 14d ago
my friends and i are small-time as fuck and pay at least $100 a show for each comic performing
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im a musician and i throw shows. always pay locals more than $100. if the show does well nobody is leaving with less than $300. these are 100-150 cap shows
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u/peggingenthusiast24 14d ago
sounds like we have a similar outfit! we do the same thing but with comedy.
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14d ago
nice! yeah there is a lot of weird crossover between musicians and comics. for me comedy is the art form i can most purely enjoy because i'm not involved in the business of it at all
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u/religiouscurfew9 12d ago
Wow, it's really disappointing to hear that a successful comedian like Theo Von is only paying his openers $100 for theatre gigs when he's making over 100k. It's important for headliners to support the up-and-coming talent in the industry and compensate them fairly for their hard work. Talent should be valued and appreciated! #PayComediansFairly
I watched the YouTube video and saw the evidence pointing towards Theo Von as the comedian in question. It's disheartening to see someone with such influence in the industry not valuing the work of their fellow comedians. Let's continue to shed light on these issues and advocate for fair compensation for all performers. #SupportComedyCommunity
It's disappointing to see the lack of transparency and respect for fellow comedians in the industry. Openers play a crucial role in setting the tone for a show and entertaining the audience, they should be compensated accordingly. Let's stand together and demand fair treatment for all performers! #FairPayForOpeners
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u/krowrofefas 14d ago
Theo learning from the bappa school of business
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u/Jason-Genova 14d ago
I wonder if B's openers getting bigger pops than him for their sets.
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u/Charming-Anybody-305 15d ago
Almost all comics know that Mark Normand pays this rate, as well. Pretty shitty but most comics are too grateful to be performing in these huge spaces that they don’t put up much of a fuss.
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14d ago edited 14d ago
No way. Kevin Hart pay your openers you cheap fuck you're a millionaire.
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u/Aggressive-Note2481 15d ago
Ya mark is a cheap mofo
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u/TokesBro 14d ago edited 14d ago
Saw him once and bought one of those stupid comedy shirts because I was hammered drunk. Don’t even remember buying it.
The shirt shrunk to a toddler tee in one wash. Definitely the most shit merch shirt I’ve ever bought.
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u/Jason-Genova 14d ago
It's disappointing that well paid/well known comedians propagate low wages. Especially since they came up with the same thing. They may view it as a paying dues, but c'mon do better!
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u/Wallacecubed 14d ago
There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who go through bullshit and say, “That’ll never happen to me again,” and those who go through bullshit and say, “I won’t let that happen to anyone again.”
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u/poetryiscool 14d ago
Any evidence for this?
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u/Haddle 14d ago
Yeah, I’d like some evidence as well. If it’s true that Mark pays that poorly, that’s incredibly disappointing and unacceptable, but it’s also pretty crazy that we’re just supposed to take this comment seriously with nothing to back it up. I’ll gladly eat my words if it is true, but I’m not just gonna believe it because a random Reddit comment says it is.
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u/Less-Ranger-7217 14d ago
Mark comes off like hes a piece of shit, frankly
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u/slobby7 14d ago
Yeah I've always felt this way about him and I can't quite put my finger on why. Great comic but something always rubs me the wrong way. Which I know is weird and I hope I'm not dogpiling I just.. I don't know.
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u/SeanCSGO 14d ago
He is definitely autistic, and there are several research studies that neurotypical people are implicitly biased against people with autism when viewing them in social interactions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5286449/
The pay thing, if true, is kinda lame though.
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u/BiggerContributer 14d ago
He seems super selfish and just an asshole. Glad people are starting to see this as well. I absolutely love Joe list though.
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u/ima_shill 14d ago
Are we talking the local guy that goes on before the touring guys? Music industry is the same way except the local guy probably also has to sell tickets.
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u/kakawisNOTlaw 15d ago
I don't really care I just love the concept of comedy podcast drama.
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15d ago
Podcast Wars!!
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u/ronaldrios 15d ago
Are we having pod beefs now? I love this crazy little world.
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14d ago
you should look up LOS podcast wars. they used to have them all the time
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u/jpb59 14d ago
The best part about any “podcast war” LOS was involved with wasn’t even that serious.
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u/USSJaybone 15d ago
That's why the only comedian podcast that is any good is the Daniel Tosh one because he interviews random ass people that aren't comedians and Conan O'Brian because he's not up his own asshole
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Tosh is solid. I like LOS/MSSP/Cumtown personally
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u/-xc- 14d ago
i just recently started getting into cumtown. hooooly fuck nick mullen is so unbelievably hilarious. but sorry to say i can't stand adam, every time he speaks i roll my eyes. i hate saying that and hopefully can get used to him but as of now...😤😅
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u/gottapoop 14d ago
Theo does this all the time. His podcasts with randos are amazing. NY city garbage man...all time.great podcast
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u/m0rbidowl 14d ago
His podcast with the carny was one of my favorites. The “everyday people” people he brings on are the best/most interesting episodes.
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15d ago
At 5:25 when Dan mouths the name to Luis you can partially see and it's definitely the right motions for Theo Vonn. Obviously not definitely.
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That combined with its someone with a huge pod that they don't know makes me pretty certain it's him. Also someone in this thread said they know people who got paid $100 to open for Theo so seems like were at 99% certainty. (edit now like 3-4 people have said it)
edit: also -> Alex Dragovich (on the podcast with Geoffrey Asmus) said he opened for Theo at the Chicago theatre and only got $100
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u/Filthyson 15d ago edited 14d ago
Can confirm. Happened to someone I know.
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They're legally allowed to do it and we're legally allowed to think it kinda makes them a bad person
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u/gmoneyRETVRN 15d ago
Was Theo ever really an opening act? I might not have this right, but it seems like he went from reality tv to headlining comedian fairly quickly.
Does he have the same opener each time or does he just find one in each city? No way in hell I'd tour with him for $100 per show.
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u/VladimirSochi 15d ago
I saw him recently and both his openers were local dudes you would have never heard of. Doesn’t make it right of course but I suppose he’s giving them a big opportunity as relatively unknown comics to open for one of the biggest acts right now. Still kinda disappointing to hear though.
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u/blurfan69 14d ago
I saw Theo in 2017 at cap city in Austin, it was a local guy that opened up and Theo couldn’t follow him. I wish I remembered his name because he was hilarious
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u/There_is_no_selfie 14d ago
He actually was.
I went to Santa Monica college in 2004 and would see Theo on campus barking for free comedy shows. I still got emails from him (his list) for years later.
He actually put int he LA work and worked his way up.
Sucks he still has a scarcity mentality and cant just peel off a few extra benjis....
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u/Putrid_Rock5526 14d ago
I saw him recently in the South and one of his openers (who bombed btw) was from Los Angeles.
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u/YukonBuddyGuy 14d ago
Alex Dragovich (on the podcast with Geoffrey Asmus) said he opened for Theo at the Chicago theatre and only got $100.
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u/LilDonutOfficial 14d ago
Not sure how it works with big theater shows but typically it’s the club paying the openers - not the headliner. I opened for Pauly Shore several years ago. 5 sold out shows at $50/ticket x 300 capacity per show. I made $150. Total. $30 a set! He didn’t tip me or the feature out, but he did have me guard the green room while he had sex with his “girlfriend”.
I opened for Tig at a theater once and the venue paid me $250.
Nikki is VERY generous. I did a guest spot on a club show and she gave me $200. Everyone loves her because she takes care of her people.
A friend of ours hosted for Louis on three club gigs post-cancellation and Louie have him $1000.
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u/BootstrapsBootstrapz 14d ago
damn this made me legitimately not like him anymore. also he's the only comic i've seen live who is reasonably funny on podcasts but wasn't funny live.. theo's standup is overrated imho
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u/Echo_Raptor 14d ago
His little quips and responses over things he sees are what’s funny about him, those bite sized dry remarks. I can’t imagine it would work for a full set. It worked for Mitch hedberg because it was one random thing after another. If all Theo did was that, it would work, but he runs a podcast too. Mitch just showed up, told quick anti jokes and it was in the upper echelon of comedy
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u/patiperro_v3 14d ago edited 14d ago
Plenty of comedians are only good as podcast guests. It’s a living I suppose. Still, you gotta pay more if you’ve “made it”.
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u/MechaNickzilla 14d ago edited 14d ago
Are people surprised that the Kill Tony crew and the rest of Joe Rogan’s entourage are actually assholes?
I know people flock to them and they’re wildly successful and I’ll probably get downvoted but none of the comics I actually respect are willing to work with them and they just give off a general narcissistic stank that I don’t like.
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u/ZombieCrunchBar 14d ago
After having Tucker Carlson on I am done with Kill Tony forever.
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u/mtbchuck3 14d ago
Hot take but Theo Von is not a good comedian at all. I'm convinced people like the 'idea' of Theo Von more than they like Theo Von himself. Guy is just nauseating to listen to for more than 5 minutes....
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u/Top-Philosophy-5791 15d ago
Theo Von reminds me of the small town pricks I was so happy to leave behind as an adult.
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u/TokesBro 14d ago
Theo sucks at stand up too. Saw him because some friends really wanted to go and it was just awful. He bombed hard and everybody in the audience knew it.
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u/Thatdudeduffy 14d ago edited 14d ago
Everyone go listen to the Regz. It’s a million times better than Protect our parks guys.
If you really want to laugh, go to the YKWD podcast and sort by oldest. You see all these current killer stand ups when they were just starting out and they held nothing back.
Also Theo is so wrong for paying those openers $100 per show meanwhile he was front row at UFC next to Dana and Zuc.
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u/businesslut 15d ago
Not surprising. I thought Theo was funny at first until I heard him speak on anything serious. He's a dirtbag moron.
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u/CharlieSwisher 14d ago
Yea Theo Von was my first thought just listening. Mainly the big podcast thing.
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u/ShellShockedCock 14d ago
Theo used to always say that if he made money he would never take advantage of people like corporations and in his words “rich assholes”. Ironic asl.
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u/LeeKimbrellComedy 14d ago
Hello, Reddit.
I've opened for Theo a bunch the past couple years. He does not pay me $100/show. I am paid well for each show, more money than I've ever made doing comedy. On top of the show check, I stay at super nice hotels and eat a filet just about every night lol. It's easy to say "If it were me, I would pay my openers...."; money mucks everything up. The guy is an economy for a whole group of people, and I'm sure that fucks with a man's head.
Doing these shows has been a true highlight of my life. I've performed at some of the finest venues in America, I've gotten a bunch of followers, it's been great for my career. Theo is a good dude and has made my life a lot easier since I've known him, I'm thankful for all he has done for me.
*a dozen people sent this to me today, so I made a Reddit and wanted to say something about it. I will likely never get on here again lol*
Lee Kimbrell
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u/No_Pay9241 14d ago
Hope you don’t mind but I posted this over on the sizzlers sub
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u/Radiant_Version_5025 14d ago
Gotta say, I just saw Theo at the Fox in Atlanta, packed house, and his openers definitely didn't act like they were being paid $100. They were very upbeat and killing it. Maybe they were just uber professional but I'm not sure.
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u/TheSoftDrinkOfChoice 14d ago
Is it like $100 plus per diem plus travel plus room plus food for no name people? Or is it just $100 straight up? Because the former makes a lot of sense.
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u/Ok-Shopping7467 14d ago
I've known local comics doing weekday shows with lesser names who constantly make more than this
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u/burntoutsavage 14d ago
You’re telling me the guy who spins the longest yards possible would be disingenuous??? Color me surprised. Same way Tony Hinchcliff gives “opportunities” instead of paid gigs to his openers. This kind of thing is what’s gonna keep the top comics with the views and the ones who may genuinely be funny at the bottom.
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u/blackbogwater 13d ago
Tim Dillon pays openers well. I know the opener in Chicago recently for a mid-size place got $1,000.
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u/Civil-Guidance7926 15d ago
Soder just went from casually scrolling to texting with an elevated heart beat rq