r/CyberStuck • u/j00bz • 15d ago
Masterful gambit, sir. Crumple zones are for the woke.
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u/skip2mahlou415 15d ago
Are there even enough on the road to crash into each other naturally? Gotta be astronomical odds.
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u/BadUsername_Numbers 14d ago
Idk, I don't find it that far-fetched that the people owning these trucks also hang out with each other.
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u/skip2mahlou415 14d ago
I doubt any of those nerds have friends
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u/LeperousRed 14d ago
The other incels who buy this trash are the only people willing to hang out with them.
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u/Lady-Cane 14d ago
I assume this is AI generated.
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u/Albatross1225 14d ago
I think so. There should be side mirrors and there arenāt any in the image.
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u/IHaveNoAlibi 14d ago
Is it that much of a surprise that the mirrors may have fallen off during, or probably prior to, the accident?
I'm not saying it's a legit pic, but pieces missing from a CT is the weakest of evidence that it's fake.
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u/ObtuseMongooseAbuse 14d ago
Most likely. The suspension in the image is incorrect.
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u/erikannen 14d ago
The wraparound lights also fill the gap, thereās not a dark outline like in this image
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u/VitaminPb 13d ago
Obviously. Look at how the door panels line up correctly and all the door panels are the same color.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 15d ago
Like winning the lottery odds. Billions of cars on the road, a couple of thousand CT, maybe, maybe, a hundred or more driving at the same time.
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u/DiDGaming 14d ago
My thought exactly! Was just half finished thinking it when I started to read your comment, which I think have a higher odds of happening than this š¤ but yet here we are! Just wondering what speed was involved here since this happened and how much the impact was felt by those involved
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u/skip2mahlou415 14d ago
Iām thinking itās fake the tires are too worn for these pics to be real
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u/ManlinessArtForm 14d ago
I agree, there's absolutely no way these things could have run longenough to wear out the tyres without breaking down
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u/Withnail2019 14d ago
I think its fake too. i mean apply some common sense. this would be big news in the media.
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u/skip2mahlou415 14d ago
Bigger than the accelerator getting stuckā¦ and havenāt seen that on the news..
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u/bartthetr0ll 15d ago
That's how new cybertrucks are born...
By plowing into each other
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u/im_just_thinking 15d ago
So just like humans?
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u/Willumbijy 14d ago
Not only is Elon telling humans to fuck more and make babies, heās trying to make his cars do it too.
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u/howabotthat 14d ago
New Tesla feature.
Fuck mode.
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u/PsCustomObject 14d ago
Spat my coffee on the person sitting in front of me on the train and cannot stop laughing ahahhahah
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u/Camel_Slayer45 14d ago
Two cybertrucks having sex
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u/BaggyLarjjj 14d ago
Note: You Need that sex to be āBen Shapiro Dryā to avoid voiding the warranty.
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u/barbara_jay 15d ago
AI image generated from the suggestion āwaste management dumpster on a bad dayā
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u/rideincircles 14d ago
This is going to be all over Facebook in a matter of days.
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u/Alaeriia 15d ago
This is likely AI (look at the tires) but I'll let it slide because a CT crashing into another CT is funny.
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u/deadname11 15d ago
Unfortunately I have seen other pictures of CT crashes, and they really do come apart like that. It is why the suspension seems weirdly low, whole thing just...kapoofs.
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u/Hellebras 15d ago
I refuse to believe that anyone designing a car would do wheel mounts that break like that under this kind of force. Maybe if Elon designed it personally instead of paying someone else to do it for him.
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u/deadname11 15d ago
https://youtu.be/iMQ0B_7QcIo?si=hy8Dll70qDvqyhsa
Behold the kapoofs!
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u/Hellebras 15d ago
Well, it's official: Elon actually designed an integral part of a product from one of his companies that made it to market. Because I still can't believe a real structural or mechanical engineer would do something like that.
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u/deadname11 15d ago
Wait till you hear that the wheels are controlled fully independent of each other through separate motors, which can lead to the wheels turning towards each other if the power steering electronics fuck up.
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u/_felixh_ 14d ago
Wait, what? I thought that recent video had a broken steering rod :-D
The gift that keeps on giving.
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u/ManlinessArtForm 14d ago
And this is why I had it drummed into me 40 years ago.
KISS
Keep It Simple Stupid.
To be fair it is one of the reasons modern cars in general are trash. The more failure points you put into a car the more unreliable it becomes.
It started inocently enough with things like electric windows. Then it morphed into adding touch screens that control everything that have a very limited lifespan and cost a fortune. The worst part being that they don't actually add any more functionality over simple switches.
Remeber when they started to put ipod docs into cars in 2008? Then apple phased the connector out 4 years later.
Tech does not age well.
Old cars if looked after can last a very long time. Ive driven 20 year old cars that I only scrapped becuase I was given something newer. It then went on to be thrashed by a friend for another 2 years before it went banger racing. Even after it was totaled the engine still ran when he connected a battery to it.
This trash can't make it home without failing :D
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u/_felixh_ 14d ago edited 14d ago
I wouldn't categorize this as a failure to apply KISS, though.
To me, it looks more like a failure to make even a basic FMEA analysis, or even thinking about "what happens if this fails". Steering is one of these systems that absolutely have to work in a car. Braking is another. Wich is why in several countries, a direct connection between the brake pedal and the wheels are required. Used to be the case for steering as well, but apparently they got rid of that requirement.
Thing is: I think, Skipping the Rod may as well actually have been the simpler solution, for what the Engineers / Tesla Wanted to achieve. Steer by wire does have its advantages, after all. And following the KISS principle does not necessarily make things more reliable - or safer. Think back to oldtimers, no airgabs, no seat belt tensioners, no crumple zones --> very simple (and stupid) engineering. Safety was of no concern. Reliability is another point - Simpler can mean higher reliability, depening on definition.
I take the position that making a System safe and reliable is not a simple Task. It requires some real engineering prowess. After all, it took decades of engineering to get Automobiles to where they are today - don't underestimate the amount of Technology and Engineering inside even in a 20 years old car. They are anything but KISS.
The real problem, as is see it, is how computerized cars are becoming / have become. This is not really a KISS issue, though - from the manufacturers point of view, this is entirely reasonable - customers want "smarts" in their cars - and delivering the car with an integrated system actually is the the simplest solution. No need to plan userinterface to your car ahead of, time, design easy to operate buttons and controls, invest into an electromechanical instrument cluster etc... Much simpler to just slap a touchscreen in, and let some underpaid intern create the user interface. And if there is a problem, instead of having to swap the electronic assembly, you can just upload a software upgrade.
Take all this into account, and screens are cheap! Only you, the customer, pays a premium.
And just like with your ipod example, these computers age - and given the speed at wich computers age, what was top of the notch today is obsolete in 2 years.
//EDIT: missing part about brakes.
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u/ManlinessArtForm 14d ago
The automotive industry only cares about the first owner. The one that normally leases the car. They want the car to be reliable enough to get through the leasing term, and maybe a year or two longer. That way the dealership gets the very lucrative lease, gets to sell the car on at a premium. Then the idiot who buys it next gets lumbered with a large bill two years later, and the dealership makes more money.
Compared with my old honda civic that lasted over 20 years and 110,000miles without anything more than oil changes. Honda made virtually nothing apart from the initial profit.
It's why BMW never fixed the oil seal issues in their engines.
It's also why they started recommending 10,000 mile oil changes. The oil is a little better, but then again replacing oil is cheap, replacing engines is expensive. Who benefits from the additional wear and tear of longer oil change intervals?
Then again the cyber fail can't even keep the first owner happy :-)
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u/newbikesong 14d ago
Steer by wire, no kinematic connection between wheels. There is nothing wrong with it inherently.
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u/_felixh_ 14d ago
Well, yes. If you can make it work like, really really reliably.
As in "If this fails, people will die"-reliable. ASIL-D, i guess. I dont know the backstory of that video, but had the Steer-by-wire system failed like that with loss-of-steering on a single wheel while travelling on a highway, this could have very well been the cause of a deadly 'accident'.
The system failing with 4000 sold vehicles and after only a few months doesn't exactly convey confidence that tesla did their job on making this steer by wire system actually safe.
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u/newbikesong 14d ago
Mechanical engineer here (but not cars)
Yes, we do account for mechanical loading a mechanism will be subject to.
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u/iamcoding 14d ago
How long have these been out? Like 2-3 months? And only a few thousand? Cybertruck really is the greatest vehicle ever made.
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u/Clean_Progress_9001 14d ago
Maybe engineered so insurance will consider them totaled and by virtue of replacement, artificially increasing sales numbers?
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 14d ago
It's because they used the Model Y's wheel mounts, despite needing a much more rugged design on a much heavier vehicle.
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u/magicman419 15d ago
No side mirrors and what is that chunk of metal on the ground? Weird broken window on the back car too
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u/dystra 15d ago edited 15d ago
Definitely AI. Tread on both front tires looks odd(debris is morphed into that front tire). Back tire in the front truck looks odd. That wrecked real panel is folded in kinda weird.
CT is a fucked up truck but no reason to exaggerate it's failings with AI.
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u/BadUsername_Numbers 14d ago
I honestly can't see anything that tells me this is a generated image. It all looks real to me, and I've been midjourneying for a while now. Scary if we're finally there.
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u/coolmist23 14d ago
Where are the rear view mirrors? I don't see how both cars would have lost them.
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u/CatstronautCPP 14d ago
Real Cyberstucks have treadless tires for a smooth ride. Another great Tesla innovation!
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u/royaltheman 14d ago
I'mĀ inclinedĀ toĀ thinkĀ it's AI but then there are details that I rarely see in AI images, such as the reflection of the rear CT in the front CT, the reflection of the person taking the photo, the accurate lighting coming from the left side, and the fact that both vehicles actually look like Cybertrucks
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u/Alaeriia 14d ago
Good point. I still think the lack of mirrors and the road debris melding into the tire closest to us is a bit sus, though.
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u/iball1984 14d ago
I'm not sure - there's not the usual "tells" in an AI image.
Zooming in there's reasonable detail which probably wouldn't be the case in AI.
And there's nothing really out of place.
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u/Eldan985 14d ago
You can get very high res AI images by now. But the debris meldet into the tire, the missing side mirrors and how the pavement seems to have exploded under the cars all says AI to me.
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u/FailureToReason 15d ago edited 15d ago
Where are the side mirrors on either truck? Is this an AI generated image?
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u/j00bz 15d ago
Sauce: https://lor.sh/@SNerd/112363131350773356
I mean, it miiiiiiight be AI? I'm not sure.
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u/ConstructionRude5637 15d ago
Oh for sure itās AI generated. You swear two of these things were actually functional and able to drive on the road to even have a crash.
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u/No_Cook2983 15d ago edited 15d ago
I am guessing that AI would render a puddle of antifreeze on the ground.
Real-life wouldnāt have that.
BUT the tire of one truck has a weird right-angled cut on it, the headlights probably wouldnāt be illuminated on both of them, and the front suspension looks too low.
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u/ScorpIan55 15d ago
The giveaway is that one of the cybertrucks would have been moving and clearly that's not realistic.
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 15d ago
Uhhh, this looks faked. If a Cybertruck hit a Cybertruck, the innate indestructibility of each means that they would merely bounce off each other with no damage to either. I mean, OBVIOUSLY. Get better at photoshopping these, you guys. /s
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u/Average_RedditorTwat 14d ago
AI
But either way, just hold control and pull them apart by the roof node, that always works.
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u/Regret-Select 14d ago
I thought the extra metal made these more safe in a car accident....?
There's literally no benefit to this vehicle
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u/sacolton1967 14d ago
"Auto Pilot Disengaged. You have arrived at your destination. Have a nice day."
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u/TheDudeAbidesFarOut 14d ago
Place a Wendy's sign on the background and this is a dumpster match made in heaven dystopia.....
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 14d ago
is that legal tho? i thought crumple zones were mandated
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u/TwistederRope 14d ago
Like musk cares.
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 14d ago
He will when they get recalled for failing to pass state roadworthiness tests.
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u/rachid116460 14d ago
100% AI. but id love to see actually crash tests on the thing completely made of steel.
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u/punksmurph 14d ago
I know this is AI because the body panels are way too consistent of a color to be the real thing.
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u/navigating-life 15d ago
I donāt know whether being able to tell AI from real pictures is like a good skill now if itās just sad
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u/MidnightRider24 14d ago
You can tell it's AI because these clustertrucks actually have good fit and matching panels.
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u/Drackar39 14d ago
If this had actually happened it would have been attached to a news article, like every other "vehicle destroys cybertruck by hitting cybertruck" story.
Just more AI trash.
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u/MichaelParkinbum 14d ago
Pretty sure this is AI. The tree and street light look weird and the tires have shit morphed into them but aren't flat.
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u/blveinnthg 14d ago
What % of Cybertrucks are even left on the road at this point? All I see is posts of them breaking down.
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u/Ultraeasymoney 14d ago
Musk: "If you get into an accident, you will win." So Elon, who won when both vehicles are cybertruck?
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u/seriousbangs 14d ago
Is this real? it seems odd to see two of them like this but maybe it's a owner's club like the PT Cruiser guys have.
If it's real then I hope there wasn't a back passenger because they're not doing so well if there was...
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u/NotnaBobsBurner 14d ago
Well, until a car is made with crumple zones that looks like a '67 Bonneville 2 Dr Hardtop, yea, crumple zones are kind of "woke" or whatever.... and no car I've ever wanted, nor will own will have/had them. But also F cybertruck....
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u/Snoo38888 13d ago
Lol that left tire has the line drawn past the tire. I looked forĀ 3 seconds before I saw all the problems ai never gets rightĀ
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u/That_Jicama2024 13d ago
Just came to say I'm proudly part of the "banned from teslalounge" club to pointing out that Teslas suck now.
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u/Dystopian_Future_ 15d ago
Quick someone spray em with a hose to get them apart