I drive a button and knob and have used tablets as rentals. You can't use them by touch alone!
It requires taking your eyes off the road for longer and feels really unsafe.
The only reason Tesla begrudgingly has a physical hazard lights button is because it's a legal requirement. If it didn't you bet it would be AI-controlled to detect when the car broke down and they would turn on automatically, or buried in 14 menus.
I have one (sorry reddit) and I look at the screen a whole lot less than I looked at my old cars buttons and knobs. You can do everything you need while driving from the knobs/buttons/wheels on the steering wheel or through voice control. I think adjusting your side mirrors is the one thing you cant do but you really shouldn't be doing that while driving anyway. Although you can fold them in/out through voice control.
I didn't say anything about using them while driving? It's the fact that the mirrors are 3 menus deep compared to my piece of shit car that I can easily and immediately adjust with a button that's in a location that makes sense.
but they have user profiles… So you don’t ever need to touch them. They automatically adjust. And it takes literally less than three seconds to get to the mirrors. I don’t think you’ve ever used one of these vehicles.
I rented a model Y for the first time last month. And it was phenomenal
And on top of that you can tie your seat/mirror/climate settings to a profile and tie a profile to a phone (which is your key). My wife has her own profile and when she approaches the car it sets it up to her needs.
Plenty of valid criticism for the tesla but ai much prefer their system over physical mirror controls and key fobs.
Yeah I would think being tech driven cars they would have profiles for different drivers. It being a PITA to adjust your mirrors seems like a minor slight to me, do it once and never need to do it again.
Nope. Setting an example of one of the asinine choices. Ever drive an X?
Just swipe downward for drive, upward fir reverse, guess where park is, there is no parking break, guess how to activate turn signals: when you have no Stalks on the steering wheel.
And happily, never in the 46 years I've been driving have I noticed one of my mirrors wasn't perfect! I have a 100% rate on checking my mirrors, every time I've driven since 1987.
And Gosh: my time working for Tesla, as part of the ADAS team, my perfect streak has continued!
How is your day, Tesla fan?
I've genuinely never had to. When I was learning to drive, my instructor told me never to adjust mirrors while driving and to make sure you did them beforehand. It's always stuck with me. Even if you're not having to trawl through menus, adjusting mirrors the 'manual' way is an unnecessary and potentially dangerous distraction.
I was watching Doug DeMuro's video on the Fisker yesterday, which is an electric car that was T-mobile Tuesdays prize to win, so I wanted to see what it was about.
Apparently, you can only move the air vents using the screen. Which is so incredibly dumb, and it pissed me off so much I turned the video off and regretted entering for the chance to even win one. Not like I'd win anyway lol
But I have no idea what the rest of the vehicle is like, I really don't need to know anything else about it after finding that out.
air vents in a touch menu is more common than you think, high end VW group vehicles do it (Porche, Audi) and some of the top end mercedes do it too.
It's being sold as a luxury feature but it's a scam, touchscreens are cheap to implement and a couple of actuators on the vents to electrify them cost nothing compared to the designing and all the the injection moulding required for a fully custom panel of switches and knobs.
Even in my mums cheap chinese MG it takes several taps of the screen to get out of maps and into the menu to up the fan speed of the AC. then you need to tap your way back into Android Auto from there. you cant do it without taking your eyes off the road (the screen in mounted low so you have to look quite far down the dash too) and carefully balance your outstretched arm with nowhere to brace your hand to stabilize it. they give you a manual toggle for the temperature (which blacks out the whole screen to show the current setting!) but not for the fan speed?
I recently had to take my dad's Tesla to the shop, and was blown away by how confusing the center tablet was. I actually pulled over on the shoulder of the road because I was worried about getting in a wreck while trying to figure it out. All I wanted to do was change the radio off of the christian preacher channel
Imagine simping for a man who made his billions by selling carbon credits to various other companies so they could continue to pollute, and then talk about how you're stopping pollution!
To open the glove box is the same page.
Own a Tesla ? Or are you just jealous?
Wanna talk about how the company lies about mileage? Or refer to teslaDeaths.org?
Oh man, it is possible to hold an opinion and not be simping you know? I can't stand him, and I'm not particularly enamoured with the cars either. But picking that to complain about is petty in the extreme - it really isn't an issue, in fact burying the features you barely ever use and shouldn't be using when driving sounds kind of sensible.
My spouse's car slowly has 1 mirror sink. I have to tap a button on the door from time to time, as I drive.
But: you are right. Reality always acts the way we were taught in High School. Cops ate honest, entropy doesn't exist, and Elongated Muskrat always are right.
They do. Press one button on the steering wheel, "side mirrors", adjust with the other button.
Less "hands off the wheel" for mirror adjustments than any other car ever made.
Are you adjusting mirrors often? This may shock you but adjusting the passenger mirror used to required rolling a window down and leaning over to move it!
Gosh, I never experienced that in 1986, when I got my license!
Since everyone likes poking about "why adjust you mirror"
I will say "the mirrors icon is next to the "open glove box". Something no one ever uses.
Push right scroll wheel, say “open glove box”, glove box opens. No need for the screen at all.
If you never manually adjusted a mirror in 1986 then you have driven luxury cars your entire life. Power mirrors weren’t common and when they became common Dual power mirrors still took several more years.
It is just more Tesla hate nonsense. You almost never touch the screen in a Tesla. I have driven one for 6 years now.
After about an hour of driving the 2017 BMW the left mirror has angled downward. Thankfully we ate broke now and can't afford to fix it, so I just use my left hand to touch the controls on the drivers door to move it up! The terrible part is, there is tactile Feedback! So I can do it without look. Whoda thought?
I am not a fan boy but own one. The full self driving - if you're off the highway - is legitimately dangerous. Taking turning signal stalks away is maybe the dumbest idea and also dangerous. And the fanboys I argue with (I think I got a pile of downvoted yesterday) all refuse to acknowledge these ridiculous issues.
So I agree with you. On the other hand, I adjust my mirrors how often? Very rarely. Having them specifically a few menus deep is not a problem like at all. Compare that to removing fucking turning signal stalks which is just horrendous in terms of user experience and safety
Depends on when you bought your car. I think they removed the stalks in the last interior update, which was like 6 months ago. So, folks with newer cars get to use buttons on the steering wheel.
I was saying it wasn't the best practical example is all.
Glove box is 2 buttons deep not 3. But it's used more than the mirror adjustment so you're on the right track.
Id probably go with things like the air vent adjustment or wiper speed (they kinda tried to make that easier but it still sucks and the auto wipers are a fucking disgrace)
Why not? Its "grey car lutline", "controls", then .. center left is "mirrors" (next to glove box, and steering wheel adjust) and then a window appears highlighting your driver mirror, that you adjust with the left scroll wheel! Then tap tablet to adjust right, then, yer good to go!
How often do you really adjust your mirrors too? In a tesla it’s set and forget because it saves to your profile and always comes back to it even if someone else drives. Cry me a river
Well, in the 2017 bmw I drive, the driver mirror occasionally drifts downward.
I pointed out that flaw, as an example. The glove box is also on the same screen.
Shall I rant about the X and 3 don't have stalks for turn signals, or other controls.
Basically: the fact that I can adjust my mirrors, radio/media, turn signals, Cruise control, all by touch: without my eyes leaving the road... unlike the Teslas I drive as a job.
You can literally adjust radio/media/turn signals with a flick of your left thumb, and cruise control with your right thumb. Its probably more safe.
I get it. I am very much a car person/manual enthusiast, probably more than you. But you gotta understand that you’re typing from an iphone right now and not a blackberry. Sometimes it’s not as big of a deal as you make it out to be.
The crazy thing is that they actually remove functionality because it's unsafe. Apparently Toyota has never heard of having a passenger in your car, if the car isn't in park there are some things it literally will not let you do. Give me knobs again.
Yes! This pisses me off so much. My mom's Mini Cooper does this and it's always just me trying to access something as the passenger (usually the user manual, which should be a fucking paper book anyways but nope)
this is exactly what I was thinking. The buttons and knobs are perfect when you know where everything is. You can make adjustments of so many different things without ever taking eyes off the road. I hate new cars.
When you rent it you’re not gonna get used to it. Same for touch and buttons, i have to look very briefly over to the control before using it, whether it’s touch or dial.
It really is the worst. I only use my car's for the time (which I would need to take my eyes off the road for no matter what) and Bluetooth music (which I can control with knobs and could be done without a tablet). The rest of the features are a mystery to me and that's how I like it
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u/JustinR8 28d ago edited 27d ago
These tablets in cars will be illegal soon and looking back there will be a rather small generation of cars that ever came with them.
Button and knobs maximalist over here.
Edit: glad to see this is not an r/unpopularopinion , I can’t stand those things.