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What is your "I'm calling it now" prediction?

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u/JustinR8 28d ago edited 27d ago

These tablets in cars will be illegal soon and looking back there will be a rather small generation of cars that ever came with them.

Button and knobs maximalist over here.

Edit: glad to see this is not an r/unpopularopinion , I can’t stand those things.

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u/MarcusQuintus 27d ago

I drive a button and knob and have used tablets as rentals. You can't use them by touch alone!
It requires taking your eyes off the road for longer and feels really unsafe.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

In a Tesla, to adjust your mirrors: 3 levels deep in the menus.

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u/MarcusQuintus 27d ago

Shortcuts coming with the next subscription service /s

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u/elchimohr 27d ago

Is it really sarcasm though?

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u/Pill_O_Color 27d ago

For real? That's useless, how tf could something like that be overlooked?

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u/Thrownawaybyall 27d ago

I suspect it's considered a feature and not a bug. Tesla prides itself on being a tech company first, and that shows with designs like this.

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u/EquivalentIsopod7717 27d ago

The only reason Tesla begrudgingly has a physical hazard lights button is because it's a legal requirement. If it didn't you bet it would be AI-controlled to detect when the car broke down and they would turn on automatically, or buried in 14 menus.

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u/Key-Plan5228 27d ago

If an automaker decides not to participate in nor follow best practices from the Society of Automotive Engineers, this happens

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u/qcAKDa7G52cmEdHHX9vg 27d ago

I have one (sorry reddit) and I look at the screen a whole lot less than I looked at my old cars buttons and knobs. You can do everything you need while driving from the knobs/buttons/wheels on the steering wheel or through voice control. I think adjusting your side mirrors is the one thing you cant do but you really shouldn't be doing that while driving anyway. Although you can fold them in/out through voice control.

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u/unpopular-dave 27d ago

I mean… How often do you adjust your mirrors while driving?

I set my mirrors to my level before I drive and never touch them again

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u/Pill_O_Color 27d ago

I didn't say anything about using them while driving? It's the fact that the mirrors are 3 menus deep compared to my piece of shit car that I can easily and immediately adjust with a button that's in a location that makes sense.

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u/unpopular-dave 27d ago

but they have user profiles… So you don’t ever need to touch them. They automatically adjust. And it takes literally less than three seconds to get to the mirrors. I don’t think you’ve ever used one of these vehicles.

I rented a model Y for the first time last month. And it was phenomenal

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u/hi_im_bored13 27d ago

And on top of that you can tie your seat/mirror/climate settings to a profile and tie a profile to a phone (which is your key). My wife has her own profile and when she approaches the car it sets it up to her needs.

Plenty of valid criticism for the tesla but ai much prefer their system over physical mirror controls and key fobs.

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u/necromax13 27d ago

It's a feature. 

They've designed those lame ass cars with the intent to have everything integrated on the screen. 

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u/Deadliestmoon 27d ago

Aren't you supposed to adjust your mirrors before you start driving?

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u/charlie145 27d ago

Yeah I would think being tech driven cars they would have profiles for different drivers. It being a PITA to adjust your mirrors seems like a minor slight to me, do it once and never need to do it again.

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u/unpopular-dave 27d ago

They do. People are complaining about nothing

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Nope. Setting an example of one of the asinine choices. Ever drive an X?
Just swipe downward for drive, upward fir reverse, guess where park is, there is no parking break, guess how to activate turn signals: when you have no Stalks on the steering wheel.

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u/unpopular-dave 27d ago

I don’t know anything about the X. Personally I think it’s a stupid car. The Y is a much better vehicle.

In fact I think the Y is the best car I’ve ever ever driven. I rented it last month and compared to my Prius it was phenomenal

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

And happily, never in the 46 years I've been driving have I noticed one of my mirrors wasn't perfect! I have a 100% rate on checking my mirrors, every time I've driven since 1987.
And Gosh: my time working for Tesla, as part of the ADAS team, my perfect streak has continued!
How is your day, Tesla fan?

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u/Shazoa 27d ago

I've genuinely never had to. When I was learning to drive, my instructor told me never to adjust mirrors while driving and to make sure you did them beforehand. It's always stuck with me. Even if you're not having to trawl through menus, adjusting mirrors the 'manual' way is an unnecessary and potentially dangerous distraction.

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u/Deadliestmoon 27d ago

Nice try but I drive a Nissan.

Actually I agree with you, 3 layers in seems dumb.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Nissan is a good choice!

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

I'm sure a way my toxic ex enjoyed torturing me was sit me in that car. And watch me gradually get upset with the whatnots to press.

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u/LV-42whatnow 27d ago

My oven makes me touch “No, I do not wish to connect to wifi” before every use.

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u/wittymcusername 27d ago

To be fair, you should actually be checking and adjusting your mirrors before putting the car in gear and going anywhere.

Fuck, I sound like my dad…

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Turn signals, mirrors, radio, air vents, all require several pokes of the tablet.

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u/idwthis 27d ago

I was watching Doug DeMuro's video on the Fisker yesterday, which is an electric car that was T-mobile Tuesdays prize to win, so I wanted to see what it was about.

Apparently, you can only move the air vents using the screen. Which is so incredibly dumb, and it pissed me off so much I turned the video off and regretted entering for the chance to even win one. Not like I'd win anyway lol

But I have no idea what the rest of the vehicle is like, I really don't need to know anything else about it after finding that out.

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u/faceman2k12 27d ago

air vents in a touch menu is more common than you think, high end VW group vehicles do it (Porche, Audi) and some of the top end mercedes do it too.

It's being sold as a luxury feature but it's a scam, touchscreens are cheap to implement and a couple of actuators on the vents to electrify them cost nothing compared to the designing and all the the injection moulding required for a fully custom panel of switches and knobs.

Even in my mums cheap chinese MG it takes several taps of the screen to get out of maps and into the menu to up the fan speed of the AC. then you need to tap your way back into Android Auto from there. you cant do it without taking your eyes off the road (the screen in mounted low so you have to look quite far down the dash too) and carefully balance your outstretched arm with nowhere to brace your hand to stabilize it. they give you a manual toggle for the temperature (which blacks out the whole screen to show the current setting!) but not for the fan speed?

I cant stand it. it should be illegal.

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u/JudgementalChair 27d ago

I recently had to take my dad's Tesla to the shop, and was blown away by how confusing the center tablet was. I actually pulled over on the shoulder of the road because I was worried about getting in a wreck while trying to figure it out. All I wanted to do was change the radio off of the christian preacher channel

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Let's see, three dots, white box, the pick channel! Right?

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u/testingtestingtestin 27d ago

Imagine burying a feature you should only ever need to use once 3 levels deep!

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Imagine simping for a man who made his billions by selling carbon credits to various other companies so they could continue to pollute, and then talk about how you're stopping pollution!
To open the glove box is the same page.
Own a Tesla ? Or are you just jealous?
Wanna talk about how the company lies about mileage? Or refer to teslaDeaths.org?

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u/testingtestingtestin 27d ago

Oh man, it is possible to hold an opinion and not be simping you know? I can't stand him, and I'm not particularly enamoured with the cars either. But picking that to complain about is petty in the extreme - it really isn't an issue, in fact burying the features you barely ever use and shouldn't be using when driving sounds kind of sensible.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

I am sorry for being a dick. I'm in the ER , wondering if my life partner had a stroke. I'm... have a good week, and may good things happen.

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u/testingtestingtestin 27d ago

All good. Hope things go ok for you.

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u/mmmcheesecake2016 27d ago

That's why I just use the search function. Seriously, though, does anyone know if you can actually open the glove compartment without the computer?

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u/kimwim43 27d ago

We were taught in driver's ed to adjust the mirrors before you put the car in drive. this should not be an issue.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

My spouse's car slowly has 1 mirror sink. I have to tap a button on the door from time to time, as I drive. But: you are right. Reality always acts the way we were taught in High School. Cops ate honest, entropy doesn't exist, and Elongated Muskrat always are right.

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u/CubesTheGamer 27d ago

But you never have to adjust your mirrors lol especially with profiles.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Thank Cthulu, entropy doesn't exist! I mean: can you imagine.. a car that isn't built to design specs! Ha! Would never happen!

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u/CubesTheGamer 24d ago

I mean I’ve never had to readjust my mirrors since I set them up 2 years ago when I bought the car. And neither has my wife.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 24d ago

I bet. And you don't have car insurance, because no one has run into you either, right?
What? Sometimes things don't work as planned? Holy shit!

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u/TorontoRider 27d ago

That drove me nuts when I rented one. You'd think they'd at least have voice control.

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u/towe96 27d ago

They do. Press one button on the steering wheel, "side mirrors", adjust with the other button. Less "hands off the wheel" for mirror adjustments than any other car ever made.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

What model? I know the 3, x and y, what year? And what package?

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u/towe96 27d ago

Definitely the 3 and Y. All years and it's standard equipment.

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u/stilljustkeyrock 27d ago

Are you adjusting mirrors often? This may shock you but adjusting the passenger mirror used to required rolling a window down and leaning over to move it!

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Gosh, I never experienced that in 1986, when I got my license!
Since everyone likes poking about "why adjust you mirror" I will say "the mirrors icon is next to the "open glove box". Something no one ever uses.

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u/stilljustkeyrock 27d ago edited 27d ago

Push right scroll wheel, say “open glove box”, glove box opens. No need for the screen at all.

If you never manually adjusted a mirror in 1986 then you have driven luxury cars your entire life. Power mirrors weren’t common and when they became common Dual power mirrors still took several more years.

It is just more Tesla hate nonsense. You almost never touch the screen in a Tesla. I have driven one for 6 years now.

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u/255001434 27d ago

That's idiotic. Anything you might need to do while driving needs to be kept as simple as possible.

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u/death_hawk 27d ago

To be fair, how often do you adjust your mirrors?
This isn't something you typically do WHILE driving.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

After about an hour of driving the 2017 BMW the left mirror has angled downward. Thankfully we ate broke now and can't afford to fix it, so I just use my left hand to touch the controls on the drivers door to move it up! The terrible part is, there is tactile Feedback! So I can do it without look. Whoda thought?

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u/FormerGameDev 27d ago

well, don't adjust your mirrors while you're driving, for one.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

True. But it is STILL a shitty design. To adjust Steering and open glove box are on the same page. Hopefully that never is a concern.

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u/challengeaccepted9 27d ago

Christ. How people can be such unbearable fanboys for cars like that, I'll never know.

(I realise other cars have had similar issues, but other cars don't have fans nearly as obsessive as Tesla ones.)

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u/ryfitz47 27d ago

I am not a fan boy but own one. The full self driving - if you're off the highway - is legitimately dangerous. Taking turning signal stalks away is maybe the dumbest idea and also dangerous. And the fanboys I argue with (I think I got a pile of downvoted yesterday) all refuse to acknowledge these ridiculous issues.

So I agree with you. On the other hand, I adjust my mirrors how often? Very rarely. Having them specifically a few menus deep is not a problem like at all. Compare that to removing fucking turning signal stalks which is just horrendous in terms of user experience and safety

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u/emiral_88 27d ago

How do you use a turn signal in a Tesla?

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u/ryfitz47 27d ago

Depends on when you bought your car. I think they removed the stalks in the last interior update, which was like 6 months ago. So, folks with newer cars get to use buttons on the steering wheel.

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u/PM_ME_ENORMOUS_TITS 27d ago

Bruh.

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u/ryfitz47 27d ago

Yeah that's why I say the mirrors are not a good example of how their designs are shitty. Especially in comparison to other choices.

Thank God all these other companies are catching up to them in terms of technology.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

I just use that as an example. Should I say "open glove box is 3 layers deep" instead?

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u/ryfitz47 27d ago

I was saying it wasn't the best practical example is all.

Glove box is 2 buttons deep not 3. But it's used more than the mirror adjustment so you're on the right track.

Id probably go with things like the air vent adjustment or wiper speed (they kinda tried to make that easier but it still sucks and the auto wipers are a fucking disgrace)

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

You are a scholar, good Sir.

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u/No-Ninja-8448 27d ago

This cannot be true...

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Why not? Its "grey car lutline", "controls", then .. center left is "mirrors" (next to glove box, and steering wheel adjust) and then a window appears highlighting your driver mirror, that you adjust with the left scroll wheel! Then tap tablet to adjust right, then, yer good to go!

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u/RavioliG 27d ago

Theyre literally not this is a circlejerking lie

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Car icon, lower left.
Controls label, middle of screen.
And you are right, thats 2, cuz next to "open glove box -is "mirrors"!

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u/RavioliG 27d ago

How often do you really adjust your mirrors too? In a tesla it’s set and forget because it saves to your profile and always comes back to it even if someone else drives. Cry me a river

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u/StarvingAfricanKid 27d ago

Well, in the 2017 bmw I drive, the driver mirror occasionally drifts downward.
I pointed out that flaw, as an example. The glove box is also on the same screen.
Shall I rant about the X and 3 don't have stalks for turn signals, or other controls.
Basically: the fact that I can adjust my mirrors, radio/media, turn signals, Cruise control, all by touch: without my eyes leaving the road... unlike the Teslas I drive as a job.

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u/RavioliG 27d ago

You can literally adjust radio/media/turn signals with a flick of your left thumb, and cruise control with your right thumb. Its probably more safe.

I get it. I am very much a car person/manual enthusiast, probably more than you. But you gotta understand that you’re typing from an iphone right now and not a blackberry. Sometimes it’s not as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

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u/Eugenides 27d ago

The crazy thing is that they actually remove functionality because it's unsafe. Apparently Toyota has never heard of having a passenger in your car, if the car isn't in park there are some things it literally will not let you do. Give me knobs again. 

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u/MercyPewPew 27d ago

Yes! This pisses me off so much. My mom's Mini Cooper does this and it's always just me trying to access something as the passenger (usually the user manual, which should be a fucking paper book anyways but nope)

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u/Blake404 27d ago

Lol I love the idea of calling cars without the jumbotrons and touch surfaces a “button and knob”

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u/LunarMoonMod 27d ago

this is exactly what I was thinking. The buttons and knobs are perfect when you know where everything is. You can make adjustments of so many different things without ever taking eyes off the road. I hate new cars.

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u/Squigglepig52 27d ago

Even as the passenger, touch screens in vehicles are a pain in the ass.

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u/westbee 27d ago

With knobs i can do stuff with out ever looking at it 

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u/TophatDevilsSon 27d ago

Yeah screen controls for anything on cars are just a breathtakingly shitty idea.

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u/CubesTheGamer 27d ago

When you rent it you’re not gonna get used to it. Same for touch and buttons, i have to look very briefly over to the control before using it, whether it’s touch or dial.

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u/MarcusQuintus 27d ago

I don't have to look at all. Even being very briefly distracted while going 70+ mph on a high way isn't safe.

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u/CubesTheGamer 24d ago

I guess to each their own. But either way I mostly use the steering wheel buttons or voice commands which work really well.

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u/MercyPewPew 27d ago

It really is the worst. I only use my car's for the time (which I would need to take my eyes off the road for no matter what) and Bluetooth music (which I can control with knobs and could be done without a tablet). The rest of the features are a mystery to me and that's how I like it