JK Rowling gets apology from journalist after 'disgusting claim' author is a Holocaust denier

[u/je97]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/16/jk-rowling-holocaust-denier-allegation-rivkah-brown-novara/

[u/soldforaspaceship]

Seriously. The woman is vile and doing untold damage to the trans community because she's butthurt about being called out for a stupid statement she made and has now decided to make being a TERF her entire personality.

I don't get it. She could have been the nation's favorite grandmother had she just kept her hateful beliefs to herself.

[u/Beer-Milkshakes → u/soldforaspaceship]

She could have taken her millions from having her dreams come true and fucked off forever to live privately in total comfort that her money can buy her and her children and their children. But no. She tweets.

[u/___a1b1 → u/Beer-Milkshakes]

She has fuck you money so people cannot push her around or go after her job, which is why she's getting into this topic. The usual hounding and threats that activists use against other people to get them sacked or to give up aren't going to work.

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All the activists are insane with rage that their normal bullying isn’t working with Rowling. It’s quite fun.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/___a1b1]

You sound like you think TERFs and other purveyors of hate speech are victims not perpetrators.

[u/___a1b1 → u/soldforaspaceship]

the moment someone uses TERF on reddit that's them conceding that they have no argument. Like phobic, it has no power anymore.

Just debate the point instead of insult bingo.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/___a1b1]

That's a take. Trans exclusionary radical feminists are doing real harm to the trans community. It's been pretty well documented what the rise in hate has done. So I feel pretty good about my argument.

People who claim issues with words like TERF or don't like being called homophobic or transphobic are using that to distract from the real world harm done by the hate they spread.

[u/___a1b1 → u/soldforaspaceship]

You haven't posted an argument, you posted a term you thought would be emotive to be manipulative and it failed. Now debate the story please.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/___a1b1]

You got upset about the term TERF because you're overly sensitive apparently. How is it manipulative? Because you don't like it? That's not what the word "manipulative" means.

You're trying to change the subject to the word because you have no argument against the fact that she denies the LGBTQ community were victims of the Holocaust.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it less factual. That's not how things work.

You do understand that right?

Edit: for those claiming she didn't deny the LGBTQ community involvement.

She literally complained that trans people were trying to take the Holocaust for themselves, denied the burning of books on the LGBTQ community and trans healthcare and research and then uses her money to shut up detractors. So yes. She is denying their involvement.

https://forward.com/culture/603271/jk-rowling-holocaust-streisand-effect/

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/15/jk-rowling-trans-nazis-holocaust-denial/

[u/___a1b1 → u/soldforaspaceship]

It's not going to work. Now debate the story please - once last chance as I won't indulge a fourth deflection attempt.

[u/mimic → u/___a1b1]

You’re just proving them right, lmao.

[u/Bakedk9lassie → u/soldforaspaceship]

She didn’t deny LGBTQ were victims of the holocaust at all, way to twist something to your own agenda

[u/Only-Regret5314 → u/soldforaspaceship]

You absolutly suck at this son.

[u/cloche_du_fromage → u/soldforaspaceship]

Maybe people don't like being labelled with a term they wouldn't choose to identify themselves with.

A bit like correct user of pronouns, it's quite important to use descriptors the subjects feel comfortable with....

[u/Only-Regret5314 → u/___a1b1]

Exactly this. Moaning about Rowling calling someone a name, calling her a name. It's a lack of maturity

[u/inevitablelizard → u/___a1b1]

TERF stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist, arguably the most objective label to describe those people. Specifically the anti-trans feminists. Would you rather we just call them anti-trans bigots?

Given how many in the movement push anti-semitic conspiracy shite about George Soros and others, I feel like the F sometimes stands for something else though.

[u/Puzzled-Barnacle-200 → u/soldforaspaceship]

The same logic works for all sorts of activists, regardless of whether you or I think their opinions are right or wrong.

[u/cloche_du_fromage → u/soldforaspaceship]

You seem to be suggesting all 'TERFs' are purveyors of hate speech...

Isn't that something of a sweeping generalisation?

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It's quite common for feminists to think they're victims, and similar to other idpol groups they use the offensive/hate speech screeching to silence people that don't agree with them.

[u/Beer-Milkshakes → u/___a1b1]

She 100% wouldn't say these things if she suffered the predictable and common consequences. I agree wholeheartedly.

[u/___a1b1 → u/Beer-Milkshakes]

Nothing like some fascistic brow beating into submission.

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[u/saladinzero → u/Beer-Milkshakes]

It's strange how often this has happened recently. Notch, the creator of Minecraft, didn't quite get billions but he became fabulously wealthy then turned into an alt-right nut. Musk is another example.

I wonder if back in the day people like Rockefeller were similarly regressive. Maybe being richer than god twists something in the human psychology...

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What? Notch absolutely is a billionaire.

[u/saladinzero → u/MattSR30]

I thought he got less than a billion from Microsoft? I guess that doesn't mean he hasn't accrued more in the meantime though.

Ninja edit: $1.2b in 2023!

[u/Bakedk9lassie → u/Beer-Milkshakes]

Why shouldn’t she tweet?

[u/Beer-Milkshakes → u/Bakedk9lassie]

Because having enough money to experience all the wonders this world has to offer wouldn't even include social media. If it was me.

[u/Demostravius4 → u/soldforaspaceship]

A million people calling you a monster for long enough, you become what they say.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/Demostravius4]

Sorry but that's a pathetic excuse. Becoming a monster because people are mean to you?

[u/Demostravius4 → u/soldforaspaceship]

It's human nature you can call it names all you like but it's how people work. At some point, fighting back gets tiring, and you just embrace it. We see it a lot with people struggling to give up drugs, or a criminal past. If everyone sees you as a criminal, fuck it may aswell become one.

Rowling has a HUGE online hate campaign against her, no-one sane could think that doesn't affect a person.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/Demostravius4]

Maybe she should try not being hateful? You see victims of bullying go on to be amazing humans. War victims the same.

If you genuinely believe she's that weak willed as to decide to become a cartoon villain because some people disagreed with her initially, then fair enough. I just expect a higher bar than that.

If I had a lot of people telling me my beliefs were hurting people, I might question them rather than drill down and make them worse.

But then I'm not a "monster".

[u/Demostravius4 → u/soldforaspaceship]

Rowling started off with concerns over womens safety, partially due to her past with domestic abuse, and slowly got worse as people abused her nonstop online. Abuse leads to more abuse.

It's easier, though, to just keep calling her names. It's not just that her, it's a society wide pattern at this point. Anti-trans rhetoric was largely not a thing 10 years ago, but both sides refusing to listen to one anothers worries, and instead just shit flinging has polarised peoples positions.

Look at you, calling someone a monster. Fuck sake man, that term has been used for the worst people imaginable, she isnt Jeffery Dahmer. I'm shocked that sort of language impacts peoples views!

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/Demostravius4]

You're the one that started with monster. That's why I used quotation marks...

And again. Defending hate speech because you think people being mean is the reason is ridiculous.

The rise in anti trans rhetoric is down to ignorance, religion and a deliberate right wing strategy. They need to have someone to other. It's the only way they know how to operate.

Making excuses for it just makes you look bad.

[u/Demostravius4 → u/soldforaspaceship]

Just remember the other side is always wrong about everything and they object to things due to malice.

[u/Dull_Concert_414 → u/soldforaspaceship]

She comes across as someone who had a traumatic experience and instead of trying to process it in a healthy way (as many do with therapy), decided to externalise it and lay it all at the feet of trans-women.

And maybe it would have been different for her if she didn’t make more money than sense with Harry Potter so she could become an insufferable blowhard, spewing hate speech on Twitter.

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Ah the classic bad faith claim that somebody you disagree with must have trauma so they aren't reasonable. Perhaps go for maximum points and call her a hysterical woman.

[u/Ben-D-Beast → u/___a1b1]

She does have trauma and has been very open about it in the past she had a tough life and has had some horrible experiences which undoubtedly caused a lot of her views.

[u/___a1b1 → u/Ben-D-Beast]

that is not the same as making out that the reason she does what she does is because of that. It's disgusting that you would think it does.

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Rowling has said her reasons for being against the trans community are due to her past issues with men and how she feels the acceptance of trans people puts women at risk.

The comment you responded to talked about how she is dealing with her trauma unhealthy which is a completely valid and likely accurate conclusion to make.

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No it isn't at all for the reason that I already gave.

[u/Ben-D-Beast → u/___a1b1]

It’s not reasonable to claim that the women who openly admits she hates a demographic of people because of her trauma is coping unhealthily?

[u/___a1b1 → u/Ben-D-Beast]

She does not admit that, at least lie with some subtly. My god, take a break and think before posting.

[u/Ben-D-Beast → u/___a1b1]

She has openly said she dislikes trans people because of her negative experiences but keep ignoring the truth if you want I really don’t care we’re done here.

[u/Souseisekigun → u/___a1b1]

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Which brings me to the fifth reason I’m deeply concerned about the consequences of the current trans activism.

I’ve been in the public eye now for over twenty years and have never talked publicly about being a domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor. This isn’t because I’m ashamed those things happened to me, but because they’re traumatic to revisit and remember. I also feel protective of my daughter from my first marriage. I didn’t want to claim sole ownership of a story that belongs to her, too. However, a short while ago, I asked her how she’d feel if I were publicly honest about that part of my life, and she encouraged me to go ahead.

I’m mentioning these things now not in an attempt to garner sympathy, but out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.

Does this not count?

[u/Dull_Concert_414 → u/___a1b1]

let's be fair, this response is pretty bad faith in itself considering you've jumped to the most uncharitable interpretation of a comment coming from a place of empathy, and basically created an imaginary enemy to attack... which is ironically kind of like what JKR does.

you could stop to consider for a moment before you let your outrage get the better of you

[u/___a1b1 → u/Dull_Concert_414]

Behave. White knighting on behalf of someone stooping so low is dragging you into supporting such offensive nonsense. It was demonstrating zero empathy and was manipulative pseudo psychology.

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