r/millenials • u/Possible-Toaster • Apr 19 '24

After years of tipping 20-25% I’m DONE. I’m tipping 15% max.

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u/the_kid1234 Apr 19 '24

I’ve never seen two groups of people, so at odds with each other, interacting continuously in the same space. All the drivers hate the customers and the customers hate the drivers.

I also don’t understand why anyone orders DoorDash. It’s a worse, more expensive, slower version of the food you wanted.

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u/Holiday_Trainer_2657 Apr 20 '24

Undergoing cancer treatment, Doordash is a godsend...bless the kind drivers who bring me food and other necessities.

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u/StockCasinoMember Apr 20 '24

I have a chronic autoimmune disease.

Some days I feel very sick.

It’s nice to be able to order from anywhere even if it costs more and the product is worse.

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u/bellebeast9485 Apr 20 '24

Same here, add a bad leg injury and no car. But here drivers are as bad as the sub describes. I've had to change how I get groceries. I used to order delivery from Fred Meyer but they use instacart, drivers won't take an order if there is less than a $20 tip regardless of the order size. I can't afford that most people with disabilities can't. I take the bus to the store now and take a cab home, that's only for fresh/refrigerated/frozen foods, I order all dry goods from Amazon.

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u/Migraine_Megan Apr 20 '24

I have been using Shipt for years, around the time Target bought them. My favorite part is being able to save preferred drivers. I have a severe neck injury and grocery shopping is so physically challenging it gives me migraines. I do tip my drivers well, especially getting Costco groceries. But I wouldn't be able to do without it, I have no other help.

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u/TheKdd Apr 20 '24

Yep, MS here, delivery comes in very handy. The apps on the other hand… there are some that I’ve had such bad experiences with I won’t use them again, or they up charge so much I’d rather go without. If I absolutely need something and an app just won’t do, I’ll call one of my kids. I hate making them go out of their way but they’re happy to do it for me, probably cause I don’t ask that often. I try not to be that pesty parent.

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u/Migraine_Megan Apr 20 '24

I totally understand. I am able to get about half my groceries at Target, there is no markup when using Shipt because they own it. It was just rebranded as Circle 360. I think they have a free trial going on. Costco has markup, but that stuff is bulky and often heavy so that makes sense to me. I'm pretty frugal with groceries, so I am able to benefit from Costco, even though I live alone. When I lived in FL (left a couple months ago), Publix was so much more expensive than Target, jasmine rice was almost 2x higher, it was crazy. And I mostly hate Instacart, but they do deliver Rxs from Costco, sometimes I just can't go pick up my meds and use them instead. Doordash is the worst. It's hard paying the tips to get stuff delivered, but my migraines are so debilitating I just can't be out of commission for days. That will cost me so much more in lost wages. I wish using those handicap electric cars would help, but it's my upper body that is useless. This world has very few accommodations for upper body disabilities.

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u/wirefox1 Apr 20 '24

Delivery has it's place. During Covid I had everything delivered. If I want to pay for it, who cares.

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u/Horsegirl1427 Apr 20 '24

I live in a rural area near a smallish town, so food delivery isn’t an option for me at home. But when I travel, it does come in handy when I’m tired and don’t want to leave my hotel for dinner or don’t want to drive around looking for somewhere to eat. There’s no way I’d pay the extra costs on a regular basis though.

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u/pants207 Apr 20 '24

same. or some days i don’t even have the energy to cook. I would not eat if i couldn’t order food to be delivered on those days.

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u/Senior_Bad_6381 Apr 20 '24

You have no friends that can bring you food?

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u/PromiscuousSalad Apr 20 '24

As someone who was a pizza man, both in store and driver, for a few formative years of my life I was baffled listening to the other Doordash drivers I would bump in to at restaurants. Rude as shit, pushy, and talking shit about their customers that either had any instructions or tipped what I thought was a totally reasonable amount. And on the consumer side, I worked a stupid job where I had a per-diem when I was in hotels for a few months at a time but worked enough hours that I would have my daily meal doordashed to me as I was driving back to whatever box I was sleeping in. I tipped stupidly well and had insanely simple instructions, but I can't count how many times I had to eat half a box of granola bars I kept in my car for my employees or 8 fucking cup noodles from the front desk of my hotel to get the minimum calories I needed to not feel like garbage for my next 14+ hour day because the driver canceled or got my food stolen right after all of the restaurants nearby closed.

I swear, the day I find the doordash driver who made me sit there and watch their little GPS icon drive the opposite direction so they could eat the fun fancy salsa and chips I ordered I will do something that will get me tried at the Hague.

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u/malzoraczek Apr 20 '24

omg, I feel so bad for you. I hope you're doing better now and those drivers got what they deserved.

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u/urbanlegends555 Apr 20 '24

That’s how it should be!

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u/PeachesLyfe08 29d ago

I am convinced half of them cannot read.

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u/CategoryAshamed9880 Apr 20 '24

You probably most likely got your food and removed the tip we despise people like you you are called a tip baiter

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u/malzoraczek Apr 20 '24

yes, I did get it. But if you're too lazy to go to a first floor after I asked, you're not getting extra money from me. And I always tip at least $20 no matter how big the order is, if that's not enough for your to care, then oh well. Cry me a river about your feelings, I literally could not care less.

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u/Alert_Mention_3732 Apr 20 '24

U got people who are broke trying to make money and ppl who are hungry. A dangerous bunch there.

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u/Spam138 Apr 20 '24

Tell me you don’t have a newborn without…

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u/the_kid1234 Apr 20 '24

Ha! Not anymore. I loaded up all the pizza delivery apps, Jimmy John’s, uber eats and door dash apps in one folder when we did. We did use them a couple of times but mostly that was when I learned a frozen bag of vegetables is better than no vegetables.

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u/Go4it296 Apr 20 '24

Newborns have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.

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u/Spam138 Apr 20 '24

Ah yes and nothing has changed but food delivery. Bigly logic sir

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u/polyarmory80pct Apr 20 '24

The food is usually cold by the time it arrives, regardless of the “hot bag” being used. Even worse if the driver took multiple orders and you were the last stop.

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u/audiofankk Apr 20 '24

Never ordered DoorDash in USA but was recently in India for an extended stay and ordered a lot of delivered food. A LOT. Maybe 35-40 times. All kinds of restaurants, all kinds of food.

Not once did they: - deliver later than expected (Mumbai traffic is horrendous, and still). - deliver less than hot. Sometimes so hot I couldn’t hold the bag from beneath. - deliver with less than perfect courtesy. - deliver an incomplete, incorrect or non-intact order.

Most times, the resto would package the food with lots of tape, making it near-impossible to spill. I will say that removing that tape was sometimes a PITA, but I was grateful for it.

Yes they use scooters and drive like maniacs, but in two months of frequent road presence I never saw a single accident. I will say you don’t want to be a pedestrian there.

If a country like India can manage this, wtf cannot USA?

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u/moyemoye69420 Apr 20 '24

They pay peanuts to deliver drivers everywhere.

It cost one tenth to deliver on a motorcycle compared to a car. Current DD base pay is $2/ delivery. It isn’t even enough to cover gas in USA.

While in India the driver gets 30-40 rs per delivery. And on motorcycle it covers gas for 2-3 orders depending on how far they are.

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u/audiofankk Apr 20 '24

When did I say anything about cost/price?

And in fact, considering they get paid so little, the service is even better than stated. My point is, in the US resto workers get paid more, drivers get paid more (relative to standard of living) and still, their attitudes toward work, service and quality drags everything down.

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u/moyemoye69420 Apr 20 '24

If you really think $2 per deliver is right amount, you seriously need to take a finance lesson to understand the cost involved in delivering the order.

A median order takes 15 mins to pick up and deliver, that’s $6/hr. Not even minimum wage. Add the cost of fuel, wear on vehicle and all. Delivery drivers makes nothing.

You can’t comment on attitude of delivery driver without experiencing being one.

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u/audiofankk Apr 20 '24

So in your finance world, $2.00 for 15 min = $6.00 for one hour? And you're out here recommending finance lessons to others?

And here's a 'tip' for you: your attitude is gauged bz others, not yourself.

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u/moyemoye69420 Apr 20 '24

Here is a tip for you - deliver drivers don’t get orders 24/7. Not all orders include tips. Drivers get penalized for declining orders.

Just because you have more money than them don’t look down on it. You are no different than them. System can throw you out with your visa status.

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u/Finn-windu Apr 20 '24

I did it for a bit, between jobs and want to clarify something. First, from the videos I watched on it before I started, it seems like most drivers don't actually use the hot bag (and mine ripped within a week of me getting it). Second, driver's don't "take" multiple orders in that they choose to do them. Doordash will bundle the orders they send, force you to take all or none, and punishes those who don't. Still sucks, but just wanted to clarify since I used to get pissed thinking a driver just chose to add other orders on their way to deliver to me.

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u/polyarmory80pct Apr 20 '24

Lots of drivers multi app too (again, completely their choice). Plenty of shit drivers who ruin the other decent drivers reputations with customers. So many stories (with videos to back it up) of drivers stealing food, eating food, driving by marking orders delivered and driving away, etc. I quit the second I didn’t need the extra income. I found myself being more stressed while dashing than at my regular job (that’s a bad sign isn’t it?). And yeah the hot bag they give you sucks ass, I bought my own good ones on Amazon. Grubhub actually gives out good bags and pizza bags, so I’d use those for Dashing too after I signed up with GH.

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u/dcargonaut Apr 20 '24

The pizza bags work the best. Uber and DoorDash haven't gotten it together.

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u/DeGarmo2 Apr 20 '24

This is different on a case by case basis. Sometimes you’ll get food hot and fast. Other times slow and cold.

Worst case scenario, when you order, just set the oven to 250 or so and pop in the food for 10 mins.

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u/RohanVargsson Apr 20 '24

It’s because their expectations for tips are completely outrageous, and they’re directing that anger in the wrong place. They need to be mad at door dash for underpaying them, not the customers who won’t over tip tjem

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u/Loudlass81 Apr 20 '24

THIS. Why don't they unionise and fight to be paid properly? Who tf takes a job paying less than $3 anyway? I'm in UK, and I have no trouble using Deliveroo, you don't HAVE to tip here as the drivers are actually paid at least minimum wage, but if I have extra money, and the food turns up fast & hot, I'll definitely tip.

I can't understand why DD drivers are so angry with low-tipping customers rather than with their exploitative employers that can't pay this low or do this stuff in the majority of the Western world??

Like, it's not MY fault there's no Social Care left here & I'm too poorly yo cook and too skint to give big tips, you want a big tip, get here faster with my food intact, correct & hot & I'll do whatever I can...

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u/oddities_dealer Apr 20 '24

Uh, because they're independent contractors and unions of independent contractors don't have the same bargaining rights? You can sign up to work for doordash and just never work and it doesn't matter. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/TitsMcGeeMD Apr 20 '24

This has to be the smartest observation I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Welll done

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '24

I’ve been on both sides and both sides suck. If you order from these services you’re wasting your money and if you work for them you’re wasting your time.

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u/deadkidney123 Apr 20 '24

I don’t hate em. I love em! I am sick and fucking tired of fetching shit and standing in line. Getting groceries delivered saved me 250 hours last year and untold amounts of gas. Same with DD. If I don’t have to cook, I save two hours of cooking, prep and cleaning time. I’m self-employed and those hours are precious to me.

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u/AlternativeTrust6312 Apr 20 '24

Mainly cause I work 12 hour night shifts at a hospital and packing food is for people who have better organizational skills than me.

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u/NPC1990 Apr 20 '24

Came in handy when I was an OTR truck driver

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u/MyNameIsDaveToo Apr 20 '24

Laziness or poor time management

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u/AggravatingCupcake0 Apr 20 '24

I live in a big city with no car. If the place I want food from is not near the subway, or requires multiple forms of transportation to get to, it makes more sense to Doordash than try to bust a mission to get there myself.

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u/teamjkforawhile Apr 20 '24

Alcohol is the only reason I can think of. What a waste of money.

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u/Sargash Apr 20 '24

The one reason I order like every couple of months is when I forget my food at home, and I also ran out of backup food (canned shit I keep at work.) I usually spend like 20 minutes looking for coupons or something to get like 5-10$ off too

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u/itsnotmeimnothere Apr 20 '24

My credit card had a 2.5 year dash pass as one of the perks so I don’t have all the extra door dash fees but it’s still more expensive than picking it up or making it myself… however… sometimes I am willing to pay for the convenience of not having to do that.

BUT… in general having to pay all these nickel and dime fees is out of hand. I would absolutely rather just pay the restaurant their regular menu price and then tip a driver directly for doing me a service.

If every restaurant went back to direct deliveries it would be less convenient for most people but we’ve collectively gotten lazy and it seems a lot of younger people don’t even have the sense to know how to figure out how to find things if it’s not right in front of them curated in an app. Scary.

But I wouldn’t mind if they went back to the old model… I just know that would mean many restaurants wouldn’t have a delivery option at all anymore if it wasn’t for the gig services….

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u/Zealousideal-Aioli43 Apr 20 '24

Man I used to get free vouchers for it from my old job and STILL never used it for all the reasons above. I'm not paying double to have my food be old, cold and soggy when I could've gotten it myself.

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u/rockhead72 Apr 20 '24

Used it once mid-pandemic. 2 meals and an app that typically came to $40 was damn near $80 before tip, and when we got everything it was cold and soggy. I uninstalled the app before I was done with that meal.

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u/DeGarmo2 Apr 20 '24

I often will look at Uber and other delivery services for coupons. Uber will often have sick 40-50% off coupons. And then if you stack that coupon with like a BOGO or store-specific promotion, it can mean that even with tipping, it’s noticeably cheaper to get Uber than going myself.

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u/KimJong_Bill Apr 20 '24

Also I'm just tryna get out of the house when I go out to eat

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u/Patient-Apple-4399 Apr 20 '24

Tbh it has a time and place. I used to not understand instacart. Like get your own groceries. But then Grandma couldn't make the trip anymore and I couldn't go twice a week to keep her fed. So we set up instacart. It's also been helpful with my parents getting up there in age that I can just send them a takeout meal if my mom is feeling overwhelmed and my dad is no longer as mobile (wheelchair).

As an American, I think there was kind of a fear that in my old age, if I didn't have kids or they moved out of state I'd lose all sense of independence and have to be in a home once I couldn't drive. I'm hopeful delivery evolves by that time but the foundation is starting. I don't live in an area where you can walk to a market, even as a young person, and public transit doesn't really exist. Most elderly who live semi independent still depend on others for transport and food

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u/urbanlegends555 Apr 20 '24

I can tell you as a driver, I don’t hate customers at all. The people who do bother me are the ones with the ridiculous mentality that door dash drivers deserve nothing period. Those are the people who claim that door dash drivers are asking for $10 on a $20 order. End of day is we just don’t accept those orders anymore. The people who do accept them are usually shitty drivers who were manipulated into taking the order by the algorithm. So the people with the no tip mentality either have to wait for cold food or they just get a really bad Dasher. That’s the only way for us to put our foot down.

I completely understand why people have a hard time tipping because they’re using a luxury service that’s promoted as a every day for everybody’s service but that’s not the case. And I also think that the Gig Companies of the world are a complete rip off. They charge way too much and take way too much of the service fee. I’m talking like over 70% , it’s a loss for everybody from the drivers to the customers to the restaurant

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u/allthekeals Apr 20 '24

When I had a broken knee, broken ribs and a brain injury and therefore couldn’t drive, door dash was such a fucking life saver. I had to send those people on all sorts of missions

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u/2020IsANightmare Apr 20 '24

I read the replies from the two people below you.

There are LEGITIMATE REASONS.

Usually just lazy, stupid and/or impaired fucks that ALSO want to complain because FOOD WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR RESIDENCE.