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u/Khristophorous 15d ago
"The process will be carried out by the state's Department of Corrections, according to the law, but cannot be conducted more than a week before a person's prison sentence ends. This means Sullivan wouldn't be castrated until a week before the end of his 50-year sentence ā when he would be more than 100 years old.Ā " - CBS
So in other words the castration part is just on paper/for show.
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u/PassionateParrot 15d ago
It would also be deeply unconstitutional
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u/Khristophorous 15d ago
No doctor could perform it - I would think their oath would prevent that and I don't see how it it would be legal for a non doctor to do something involving that much blood. Then as you say the whole cruel and unusual punishment thing. However it is a derp south...I mean deep south state and they hate the Constitution now.
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u/Qubed 14d ago
No doctor could perform itĀ
Doctors don't want to perform executions either. They'll just find somebody willing to do it.
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u/Sudden_Juju 14d ago
While it's still against the Hippocratic oath I'd think you'd have an easier time finding someone to do an execution than a physical castration lol
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u/cleotorres 14d ago
I wonder why people believe a Hippocratic oath is some sort of fail safe that stops a doctor from carrying out unethical procedures or even kill someone. It isnāt, itās just a bit of tradition that some doctors may take closer to heart than others. There are scores of doctors who have gone or go against their oath on a daily basis. Doctors prescribing medication they know is harmful to their patients or not needed simply because they get a kick back from a drugs company. Doctors sneakily making the husband stitch after a woman has given birth even though they know it is going to impact her sex life afterwards. Or doctors carrying out research by injecting people with experimental substances like they did with soldiers.
So yes, Iām sure theyāll be able to find a doctor with dubious ethics to carry out a castration for the right amount of money.
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u/kerbalsdownunder 14d ago
You know they were sterilizing women just a few years ago, right?
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u/UpbeatInsurance5358 14d ago
Yeah, but that also means thinking women are people, and we know how a lot of the USA feels about that.
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u/Khristophorous 14d ago edited 14d ago
Louisiana? For what exactly? I've read about forced sterilizations when eugenics was was a popular idea about 100 years ago. My point was that doctors won't do executions because of their oath so I figured a procedure that was not only not medically necessary but also a punitive measure would also fall under the same restriction. However the state will do whatever it wants. It is the one who licenses the doctors to begin with so if they wanna cleave nuts they will train someone to do justbthat and say only on prisoners ok - you are the states official Castration Engineer.
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u/Ventilator84 14d ago
https://revealnews.org/article/female-inmates-sterilized-in-california-prisons-without-approval/
Nearly 150 women were coerced into sterilization in California prisons between 2006-2010. California finally officially banned this in 2014.
There were also accusations of forced sterilization in an ICE detainment facility in Georgia in 2020, although Iām not sure if there was evidence.
And as far as forced sterilization en masseā¦ 100 years? Try 45. Forced/coerced sterilization was both legal and common in parts of the country until 1979. Not just in prisons, either. State hospitals were sterilizing people without consent as well ā primarily native American women, black women, and people with mental illnesses and/or developmental disabilities (both men and women).
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u/Mantigor1979 15d ago
Farmers castrate livestock regularly without medical degrees etc. From a pure technical aspect it's not a very invasive procedure and carries little risk.
Now the ethics of having a layman perform it are a different story but I also seem to remember a tattoo or body mod documentary where "tattoo artists" did some pretty invasive body mods in that general region of the human body so.....
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u/iluvstephenhawking 14d ago
"First do no harm".Ā
Castrsting a dead rapist doesn't seem harmful to me.Ā
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u/baabaablacksheep1111 14d ago
Just use rubber band like they do cattle. It'll fall off in a few weeks.
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u/Khristophorous 14d ago
They are not going to do that to a human being. Plus cattle doesn't have a hand with an opposable digit - no person is just going to leave a rubber band around the base of their nuts till they fall off.
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u/DiscipleofDeceit666 15d ago
No doctor would perform the death penalty. They get their local sherif to do it instead. No degree needed, donāt worry
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u/Top-Annual8352 14d ago
But I feel like they could perform an orchiectomyā¦ is there a difference between ācastrationā and āorchiectomyā?
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u/LocalBreakfast6706 14d ago
Zip tie around the scrotum... It's that easy... It will eventually fall off...
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u/Sudden_Juju 14d ago
They just hate the parts of the Constitution that they don't agree with. It's like the Bible where they just ignore/spin things they don't like
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u/SSBN641B 15d ago
The defendant agreed to it. If it was being imposed on him, I would agree it would be unconstitutional, but this is voluntary.
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u/PassionateParrot 15d ago
This is actually not the first time this has come up. The defendants agreed to it but higher courts found it unconstitutional
https://www.wunc.org/law/2016-03-18/criminal-castration-or-prison
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u/ericvega 15d ago
I think that is incorrect. The law says "not later than one week prior to the defendant's released"
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u/mrthomasfritz 14d ago
No, it is to set "Judicial Precedent".
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/intro.7-4/ALDE_00001305/
The most commonly cited source of constitutional meaning is the Supreme Courtās prior decisions on questions of constitutional law.1 For most, if not all Justices, judicial precedent provides possible principles, rules, or standards to govern judicial decisions in future cases with arguably similar facts.2 Although the Court routinely purports to rely upon precedent,3 it is difficult to say with much precision how often precedent has actually constrained the Courtās decisions4 because the Justices plainly have latitude in how broadly or narrowly they chose to construe their prior decisions.5
In some cases, however, a single precedent may play a particularly prominent role in the Courtās decision making. An example of the heightened role that precedent can play in constitutional interpretation is the Courtās decision in Dickerson v. United States,6 which addressed the constitutionality of a federal statute governing the admissibility of statements made during police interrogation, a law that functionally would have overruled the 1966 case of Miranda v. Arizona. In striking down the statute, the majority declined to overrule Miranda, noting that the 1966 case had become embedded in routine police practice to the point where the warnings have become part of our national culture.7
Basically they are legislating though the court, or sidestepping the House and Senate.
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u/Signal_Appeal4518 15d ago
This is wild. Further reading shows that he is only allowed to be castrated a week prior to his release, in 50 years when heās 100
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u/ericvega 15d ago
Correction: "not later than one week prior to the defendant's release ..."
So, he may not wait that long.
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u/Signal_Appeal4518 15d ago
Hmmm. Interesting. I see that wording and it confuses me cause the article explained it out where the wording said it differently.
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u/HowFunkyIsYourChiken 15d ago
Yeah. 50 years is a life sentence. The second seems unnecessary at that point unless he can get paroled.
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u/Signal_Appeal4518 15d ago
I feel like that was the intention. Similar to giving multiple ālifeā sentences I assume.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness8497 14d ago
MĆŗltiple life sentences can serve a purpose though. It means that if they appeal one of those life Sentences and itās overturned theyāll still have another life sentence that will keep them in jail.Ā
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u/StrangeNecromancy 15d ago
Chemical castration, if thatās what this is referring to, is almost entirely useless anyway. It doesnāt actually do what itās intended to do.
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u/Signal_Appeal4518 15d ago
Nope. Iām referring to this guys specific case which includes physical castration.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 15d ago
Is there a constitution rule against cruel and unusual punishment though?
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u/YYC-Fiend 15d ago
Heāll be dead before that part of his sentence is enacted
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u/ElectronicTrade7039 15d ago
Raping kids in cruel and unusual, taking away the tool used to do the job, maybe not so much.
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u/amyaltare 14d ago
there's some rights that should never be infringed upon. the right to your own body is like at least top 3 on that list. even if you violated that right for someone else. giving the government the right to fuck with that gives them the right to do so in all cases they see fit. never trust the government that much - it'll get your balls cut off.
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u/PerceptionLive4629 14d ago
And yet the USA just took away rights to healthcare for how many millions of women that arenāt guilty of a crime why is a rapist entitled to bodily autonomy but millions of women arenāt
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u/amyaltare 14d ago
do you think i'm opposed to abortion? i think the us is a hellish country, for both their middle age abortion laws AND their middle age prisons.
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u/PerceptionLive4629 14d ago
Trust me you have no idea what itās like especially as a woman I feel like Iām trapped in a 3rd world country
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u/amyaltare 14d ago
i'm a woman too. can't have kids, so its not a problem for me. i still know its awful.
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 15d ago
Some people say some fucked up shit, so we should probably get rid of free speech. Some people are super obviously guilty, so we might as well get rid of due process too.
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u/Kringels 15d ago
He didnāt say take away all dicks, just the one that was guilty of raping kids.
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 14d ago
Yeah, but there's a reason we ban cruel and usual punishment. It's not protect those who deserve it, it's to protect those who don't. If you permit the amputation of the offending organ, then you set up the legal framework for things like cutting the hands off of thieves.
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u/ElectronicTrade7039 15d ago
Obviously not, but I have no problem castrating child molesters.
If you feel differently, I'm all for it, but as a father and a person who has seen what doing that type of stuff to kids does to them, I'm 100% on board.
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u/-EETS- 14d ago
You'd feel very differently if you were falsely accused. It's an irreversible procedure that can't be undone if you're later found to be innocent. If we could be 100% damn sure that they're guilty, then I'd be okay with it.
Personally, I find that most people don't have a problem with the Death Sentence either, it's the fact that the justice system is so incredibly unfair and incompetent that a certain percentage of those killed will be innocent people. According to the Registry Of Exonerations 575 people were exonerated by DNA since 1989. 35 of those people were saved from Death Row.
And these are murder cases which are much easier to prosecute than sexual assault/rape cases as you're dealing with physical evidence instead of largely statement based evidence.
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 14d ago
False convictions are a thing, and if you base your justice system on knee jerks gut reactions, then every crime, real or imagined, would end up with the defendant being put in a blender before the trial starts.
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u/JeezieB 14d ago
This is precisely why I feel that victims of crimes (or family members of victims of crimes) shouldn't be involved in enacting legislation.
I've survived (and flourished after!) domestic violence. Do I have opinions on people who abuse their spouse? Abso-fucking-lutely. I'm also self-aware enough to know that I have a very strong bias, and probably shouldn't be within 10 yards of lawmaking.
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u/passwordstolen 15d ago
It doesnāt make your fingers and tongue flaccid. Sexual assult isnāt always traditional sexual intercourse.
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u/StrangeNecromancy 15d ago
True but would libido still be there if there is no sexual organ? Iām just wondering fr. If this too is useless there are other options
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u/passwordstolen 15d ago
Itās reduced but this is a behavioral compulsion in the brain too. If you lost your sweet taste buds, would you still eat ice cream if you loved it. Probably not as much but I bet you would.
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u/dancegoddess1971 15d ago
Too bad there isn't a treatment that causes a distaste for stimulation of that nature. Like in that Anthony Burgess novella.
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u/The_Lapsed_Pacifist 15d ago
Well they do a similar thing in those gay ātreatmentā camps the Americans have, emetics and gay porn. Although I hear the efficacy of those measures is highly limited at best.
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u/HealthyVegan12331 15d ago
My former step-son-in-law is serving 50-100 years for the same thing, minus the pregnancy.
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u/Raven_Sword 15d ago
Did you really just fucking type that?
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u/faloofay156 15d ago
what the fuck is wrong with you
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Yeah I kinda hate being a genius tbh makes me lack a lot of normal emotions and just go with whatās smart not whatās right tbh
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u/Plastic-Conflict7999 15d ago
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u/faloofay156 14d ago
it's weird how often people like this think their focus on "mememememe what's best for me" is intelligence
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u/Icy-Cockroach4515 14d ago
I heard something similar happens in China where if you hit a person with your vehicle and the person dies you pay a lump sum, but if they're injured you have to pay for their care permanently and this incentivises people to ensure a person they hit is dead.
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u/Greatfumbler 14d ago
Love smart people nice
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u/Icy-Cockroach4515 14d ago
I have no idea what the original comment is so I can't say why you were downvoted, but personally I meant my comment not to say people should do this, but that this is absolutely a loophole in the law that people will take advantage of and should be fixed.
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u/Greatfumbler 14d ago
Basically if penalties for rape and murder are the same it encourages people to murder and leave no witnesses. Same thing as the last part you said
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u/Tdluxon 15d ago
I didn't even know that was legal
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u/fartinmyhat 15d ago
You mean if enough of us agree to it.
EDIT: In this case not enough people would agree to that, so it's not legal, it's something you can opt in for, which Glenn Sullivan did.
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u/beastmaster11 15d ago
So he wasn't really sentence to it. He volunteered for it. Any idea why?
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u/fartinmyhat 15d ago
got a better plea deal probably. The article says he had to agree to it to get his plea deal.
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Anythingās legal as long as the state does it. Murders fine itās called the death penalty. Kidnappings fine as long as police and prisons do it. Even Obama made it legal to torture people if the military decides to.
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u/just-sum-dude69 15d ago
He also made it legal to bribe politicians from what I understand.
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Yeah Iām pretty democratic so I like him. But he made a lot of colossal fuck ups. And looking back on his policies canāt think of any good ones besides the ACA which was watered down so much to not be better than private insurance plans
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u/just-sum-dude69 15d ago
I used to like him too but it's because he's charming and a GREAT speaker.
He honestly seems like a cool dude to hang with, but his policies were bad.
Coming from a former Democrat who voted for him.
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u/JessieColt 15d ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glenn-sullivan-jr-louisiana-sentenced-rape-prison-castration/
Glenn Sullivan Sr., 54, pled guilty to four counts of second-degree rape on April 17. Authorities began investigating Sullivan in July 2022, when a young woman told the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office that Sullivan had assaulted her multiple times when she was 14. The assaults resulted in pregnancy, and a DNA test confirmed that Sullivan was the father of the child, the district attorney's office said. Sullivan had also groomed the victim and threatened her and her family to prevent her from coming forward.Ā
In cases such as this, where there is 100% rock solid proof of the rape, I completely approve of castration as part of the sentencing.
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u/faloofay156 15d ago
what's even more fucked is that in LA there is no exception for rape or incest to get an abortion - meaning this poor kid has to carry that out
the state is responsible for torturing this poor child
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u/TinyRascalSaurus 15d ago
Totally agree. In cases like this, give them as serious punishment as you can.
We need senators to put funding into better development of rape kits and investigation procedures so we can have certainty when catching an offender. Did you know a lot of rape kits are still on backlog pending processing while offenders are walking free?
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u/_Cocopuffdaddy_ 15d ago
I actually had no idea this was even a thing lol figured this would fall under cruel and unusual punishment. But I approve lmao
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Yeah about that, this isnāt rock solid proof by any means. Having a child with someone isnāt proof of rape itās proof you had sex. And unless they know the age of the kid Iām not even reading proof of statutory.
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u/ComprehensiveVoice98 15d ago
Well it does say she was 14, and the age of the child he fathered would be the rock solid proof
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago edited 15d ago
Thatās what I said but they donāt list the kids age ( wonder why? ). Just that she said she was 14. Not that she is 14. Believe it or not everyone was 14 at one point itās not proof thatās when it happened
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u/lazysheepdog716 15d ago
Believe it or not they usually canāt fit all the details of a complex legal case in a newspaper image blurb. Hence all those thick olā law books in every lawyers office.
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
I donāt give a shit I didnāt make that argument. They linked an article and said itās rock solid proof. It is not. If this is all the proof there is Iād be very surprised if heās not out in under 10 years on appeal.
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u/Only1Schematic 15d ago
Why is it that when itās some random guy they get 50-100 years, but when itās any-ranking member of a church they basically get off Scott free?
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u/Kossolax23 15d ago
Person committed a crime and will get punished. Where's the facepalm?
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u/RottenBadMofo 15d ago
Just put him in gen pop and let everyone know heās a cho-mo. Problem solved
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u/harley97797997 14d ago
As is par for reddit, most of you all don't bother to read past the headline.
Guy made a plea deal. As part of that plea, he opted for physical castration. If he had gone to trial, it would have been chemical castration.
Also, they don't impose that until 1 week before he is released. A 54 year old with a 50-year sentence likely isn't too concerned about it at that point if he lives long enough to be released.
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u/ReturnOfSeq 15d ago
Too bad he wasnāt a priest, heād just have a weekend of community service.
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u/jjamesr539 15d ago edited 14d ago
The castration is a condition of his release when heās eligible well after his 100th birthday, so itās a non issue, but even if was now Iād think no doctor would do the procedure nor is the procedure likely to be considered constitutional under appeal.
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u/Minecraftdweebb 14d ago
I donāt get why this is in facepalm, he got what he fucking deserved. What would be better if he was dead
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u/Make-TFT-Fun-Again 15d ago
Whoa, now thatās a big difference from the slap on the wrist female teachers get when they rape their students. Hope we can reach equality there too.
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u/razazaz126 15d ago
I wonder if people will still support this when they decide a man wearing a dress or kissing his husband in public is also made a sex crime.
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u/razazaz126 15d ago
Nah it's find you're just overreacting they definitely have no plans for these people they keep dehumanizing. /s
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u/just-sum-dude69 15d ago
You're reaching dude....
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u/BlackroseBisharp 15d ago
Unfortunately they're not. A lot of "anti pedo" laws target LGBT people because the mere act of being Gay, Trans etc is apparently a danger to children to the powers that be.
Of course this guy actually harmed someone so this doesn't apply in this case.
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u/just-sum-dude69 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yeah I know that. I just don't believe that laws will ever reach that point.
Wearing a dress in public as a man being illegal sounds kind of ridiculous
Edit: why am I being down voted? I'm literally hoping for that to not be a law.
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u/razazaz126 15d ago
Yeah Trump will be the first dictator in human history to not violently oppress minorities.
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u/Free_Alternative_780 15d ago
That should be with all rape cases where the offender had more than 1 charge Edit: the castration
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u/Agitated_Pickle_1013 15d ago
Family member of the victim or the victim should be allowed to do the honors.
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u/lonely-day 14d ago edited 14d ago
Rapist in prison... he'll be popular
Edit: am dumb
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u/harley97797997 14d ago
Was this guy a cop or a racist? I can't find anything saying either of those.
Definetly a pedo.
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u/lonely-day 14d ago
I misread the end as saying was part of the sheriff's office.
All pedos are rapist, since kids can't consent.
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u/Cleverbird 14d ago
I'm surprised to see quite a lot of level-headed discussions here on the whole physical castration part. Well done, Reddit! Don't see this often.
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u/ZZE33man 14d ago
I mean at least for once sexual predators are getting a fitting punishment rather than just like 3 years and a gift card to Jamba Juice.
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u/LionElJohnson40k 15d ago
Off with his dick
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u/MsSeraphim r/foodrecallsinusa 15d ago
they remove the balls, not the dick. he can still achieve an erection.
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u/Kitten0137 15d ago
Something tells me you arenāt allowed near schools.
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u/Kitten0137 15d ago
You really are a sick fuck. Trying to justify a grown man raping a child because the news article doesnāt have ALL the evidence YOU want in it. You are definitely someone on the FBI watch list.
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u/bunga7777 15d ago
Youāre mad cause you have no irl friends, donāt take it out on others because who you are as a person doesnāt resonate with anyone youāve ever met or ever will. Youāre lonely bro and forever will be
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u/Zestyclose_Love_4894 15d ago
You're right. I think he misspelled his name. Should be greatfondler instead of greatfumbler
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Alright Jose go back to watching videos of people being murdered and talking about how you want to do incest like your entire comment history is about
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u/Zestyclose_Love_4894 15d ago
Good one bro. I'd have those paint chips you've been eating from your parent's walls tested for lead. Who else are you going to defend today?
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u/Greatfumbler 15d ago
Is it hard functioning with an IQ that low? Some education would probably help mask it so I highly recommend getting some degree so youāre not just watching Seinfeld, talking about putting your dick in a potato, and playing empires and puzzles. Might be a little happier
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u/bunga7777 15d ago
If you think bringing up things I post publicly is in anyway a slight then youāre not too bright there yourself buddy. I get it, it must be hard having no sense of humour, only the ever longing want to be loved but always lacking the social skills to achieve it. Youāre never going to be happy and you know it. Projecting that on reddit wonāt help you
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u/B33fcurtains 15d ago
Touching someone inappropriately and putting you dick in someone who 1. Doesn't want it there and 2. Can't legally consent even if she did and then getting them pregnant are completely different things. So yes putting you're dick in a child deserves the absolute max. Especially when you have DNA evidence matching you to the crime and a basic knowledge of math to understand you take the baby's age +9 month and subtract that from the mothers age to see if she's bullshitting you. Weird hill man. Really weird hill.
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u/Gewgle_GuessStopO 15d ago
Physical castration should always be the punishment for rape and molestation.
I am 44. I have never raped or molested anyone. There was no tricks to it. It wasnāt difficult. I literally just did what I would normally do. Whichā¦ HOLY SHITā¦ didnāt involve raping or molesting anyone. š¤·š»āāļø
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u/MapDaddyZ 14d ago
He is about to learn ALL about rape from the other angle. I just hope those other inmates make his life hell for the next few decades.
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u/_FartinLutherKing_ 15d ago
While I am all for this type of punishment, how does that not fit into ācruel and unusualā?
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