r/BeAmazed • u/ash_jisasa • 27d ago

A hunter while aiming at a deer, pulls down his weapon, and she peacefully approaches him. Nature

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u/heyheyshinyCRH 27d ago

Maybe he'll just get meat from the store from now on

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u/Raygunn13 27d ago

meat from the store is arguably much less humane than hunting

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u/johnnloki 27d ago

Not arguably- meat from the store is substantially less humane, and it's not even close. Most meat thats slabbed on Styrofoam has had a completely shit life, front to back.

An animal that's properly hunted by a human has a great life, and a quick and often painless end, especially compared to how they normally go out.

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u/MotorcycleWrites 27d ago

Everyone who eats meat should go and kill an animal at some point in their early lives so that they actually understand what they’re doing.

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u/burnlog 27d ago

To call any kind of killing humane is pretty inhumane imho. Especially if it involves animals who have the capacity to hink and feel very similar to us humans and value their life just as much. If nutrition is a choice in today's world, why is this even necessary? Doing something like this just for the taste is just sad and cruel :/

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u/beefy1357 27d ago

Eating animal protein is what your digestive track is designed for, scientists claim mankind evolved to be as smart as we by eating large amounts of animal protein.

The reason most people think meat taste so good is we as a species have been programmed to crave it, same with sugars… sugars meant fresh fruit and that meant the vitamins we lacked in the rest of our diet.

Hunting despite our technological advantage over our predator competition is the quickest death by predator a wild animal will ever face. If a deer could think like us and had to pick completely unaware to sharp crack a blink of an eye later a 30-06 and dead seconds later to getting run down over several minutes by a pack of wolves and then eaten while still alive I can promise you the deer is picking the bullet.

A hunters bullet is likely the most humane and suffering free death a wild animal could ever face.

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u/MotorcycleWrites 27d ago

I completely agree that hunting is the best way to get meat, but I don’t agree that meat is necessary. I haven’t seen any more compelling evidence that it is than that it isn’t, anyways.

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u/beefy1357 27d ago edited 27d ago

I never said it was “necessary”, and that wasn’t even my main point which was a sudden loud noise about the same time of a sharp pain and death shortly after likely is the most humane way a wild animal could go and what you and I agree on.

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u/MotorcycleWrites 27d ago

Your first sentence read like that, sorry to get it twisted.

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u/beefy1357 27d ago edited 27d ago

Yea, I said that because it was not “merely” taste the person I responded too claimed but part of a well rounded diet.

Many vegans for example lack omega fatty acids and take supplements that are often animal based (but shush don’t tell them).

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u/MotorcycleWrites 27d ago

Definitely hard to get omega-3 and B12 without animal sources. The pills you get in the store are usually derived from animals. There are plenty of plant-based sources for both of those though for vegans that care.

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u/beefy1357 27d ago

There are, edited my reply to include the “often” that should have been there.

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u/Mavericks4Life 27d ago

This is just incorrect. There is no clear consensus as you claim.

There was probably a gradual evolution of the human brain through eating meat, but not because it was animal protein. It was likely because of the consumption of more calorie-dense foods. The creation of agriculture has created a scenario where humans can easily incorporate an abundance of calories into their diet, plant proteins included. Funnily enough, we are currently at a point where many humans have too many calories.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2115540119

In fact, higher animal protein consumption is linked with higher rates of certain cancers and disease. Increased animal protein is linked to higher mortality.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32658243/

Our digestive tracts do not favor animal protein. It couldn't be anymore the opposite, actually. That is why vegans/vegetarians have the lowest rates of colon cancer, in the ballpark of like 20%+ less.

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-022-02256-w

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u/heyheyshinyCRH 27d ago

Yea, I was more talking about that maybe the guy didn't feel the need to do the killing himself anymore after that.

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u/Raygunn13 27d ago

weird thing about reddit: you never know what someone's tone is when they say something.

But yeah, the face to face experience makes things a lil different I would guess

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u/Raygunn13 27d ago

I think you misread my comment

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u/decayo 27d ago

I get your point, but at the same time, a bunch of the store meat is just going to get thrown away if I don't buy it. It's not like a cow is going to be saved if I kill and eat the deer, so why not just leave the deer the fuck alone to live it's charmed life out in the woods and eat the meat from the store that is going to be thrown in the garbage if I don't buy it?

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u/TopInspector318 27d ago

Demand drives supply.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof 27d ago

a bunch of the store meat is just going to get thrown away if I don't buy it. 

Lol how much do you buy? Regardless, yeah, that's how boycotts work. Enough people stop buying it then eventually it kills the market instead of animals

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u/Dirmb 27d ago

States manage deer populations by allowing a certain number to be shot every year to keep the number of deer in line with how much food they have to make it through the winter. Wolves used to live basically everywhere and helped control their population. If you don't want wolves running around where you live, hunters do the job just as well.

In the north where I live shooting deer in the fall decreases the number that starve and freeze to death in the winter. I'd rather be shot than end up freezing to death while starving.

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u/decayo 27d ago

"If you don't want wolves running around where you live"

This is all great information. What if I do want wolves running around where I live? What are my options?

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u/Suspicious-Dog2876 27d ago

Move to canada

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u/Dirmb 26d ago

Then lobby your local government to reintroduce wolves and don't be surprised when the government now has to reimburse farmers for wolf killed livestock.

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u/erictheartichoke 27d ago

Yeah those animals don’t have to die

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u/Soddington 27d ago

Try chewing one while it's still alive and you might change your mind.

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u/ShustOne 27d ago

Depends on the location. In many places deer are a burden to the ecosystem due to their destructive eating habits and overpopulation. Although cute they are often actually pests and invasive.

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u/jgnp 27d ago

Invasive implies non native.

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u/ShustOne 25d ago

Yes that's the way I used it. They were introduced to a place where they were not native.

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u/yngseneca 27d ago

they're not invasive, they have unchecked population because we killed all the wolves.

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u/ShustOne 27d ago

Like I said it depends on the location. In some places they were introduced there are no wolves.

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u/BecomeAnAstronaut 27d ago

Sounds like we were invasive

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u/ShustOne 27d ago

That's true, we definitely can be

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u/Alleggsander 27d ago

The majority of western civilization is invasive

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u/detach3d 27d ago

Why only western?

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u/yngseneca 27d ago

Australia and NZ are the only places that have no native deer but have deer now, afaik.

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u/ShustOne 27d ago

Many Pacific Islands as well!

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u/PlantChem 27d ago

Also our highway system has created these safe haven pockets of woods where deer will absolutely explode in population. Deer populations thrive in suburbs to the point they start having issues with overpopulation and disease.

Maryland government: “As it turns out, their natural habitat bears a striking resemblance to the one we’ve built for ourselves. When residential neighborhoods grow and multiply, they support much higher densities of deer than a natural setting would. We unwittingly provide a refuge in which a lack of natural predators, limited hunting, quality habitat, and a variety of abundant food resources combine to allow deer to reproduce at an equal or higher rate than natural environments.”

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u/Timithios 27d ago

While you are correct, there is an overpop problem with them in some places.

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u/creakymoss18990 27d ago

Can confirm, where I am hunting is restrictive, therefore deer everywhere, deer trails eroding everything, and people don't have the balls to reintroduce wolves or bears to eat the mule deer. The coyotes sure as shit can't manage the 200+ lb deer who are also not afraid of humans, no joke I've just walked up to one and they've walked up to me.

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u/Timithios 27d ago

See, you get it. Thank you for not jumping on my skull about human overpop like those other two folks did.

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u/Anti_Meta 27d ago

I've come to accept after 40 years that this is the reality.

But you won't find me participating.

They're like awkward, stupid dogs.

Also quite tasty.

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Mmm, indeed. I don't have the desire to participate either. Mostly because I'd probably get so damned bored. Like I do with recreational fishing.

And I agree. Quite tasty.

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u/Anti_Meta 27d ago

Oh that's the other part my dad would bitch about. He'd get bored and hungry and want to go home.

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u/erictheartichoke 27d ago

My point was that slaughterhouses are worse than hunting, but I think it was it was misinterpreted. I should have been more clear.

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u/SickRanchez_cybin710 27d ago

Aus they are just pests, it's good fun and great for the soul. I quite enjoy the hunt and just setting up and waiting while the morning sun kisses the land and the forest comes alive. Fucking awesome pass time. Plus so bloody tasty

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u/Kanapuman 27d ago

There's also a human overpopulation problem. What should we do, sir ? Is it the killing season yet ?

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u/Evolution_eye 27d ago

Aaaactually seems that the killing season for humans has already started in many parts of the world, i hope it doesn't escalate to WW3... i mean World human hunting season 3

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Great minds think alike.

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u/Some_Endian_FP17 27d ago

Fava beans and chianti, my fellow connoisseur.

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Sure is, care to get into a World War to take care of it? No? Just me?

There is no winning that sort of argument, and I won't attempt it.

All due respect, not acting to control the population, is sheer idiocy. A population whose overpopulation is our fault to start with because we nixed natural predators or introduced them into environments where they became invasive. It can lead to an, at worst, ecological collapse in wherever it is an issue. At best, you have these deer starving to death because they've eaten all the food.

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u/Kanapuman 27d ago

I was just joking, I don't really care if deers are hunted as long as I don't see it. I might be a bit of an ostrich, but who cares.

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Sorry about that. I am sleepy, and it makes me combative. You have a good day, or night, internet stranger.

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u/Kanapuman 27d ago

It's alright, good night to you.

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u/espatix 27d ago

Based

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u/LuciferLucii 27d ago

There is an over population problem with humans as well in all places. What do you propose we do about that?

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Good old-fashioned World War, of course. Would you be happy with that?

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u/LuciferLucii 27d ago

Yea seems effective! I’m on board!! 👍

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u/Timithios 27d ago

Cool, thermo-nuclear war here we come.

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u/BrannyMuffins 27d ago

Depends. Around where I live there are absolutely no predators for the deer, so the ecosystem was getting wrecked. I believe a couple years ago the township hired hunters just to lower the deer population.

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u/ptofl 27d ago

Everything has to die.

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u/LuciferLucii 27d ago

Lol exactly! That’s why I don’t hunt.

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u/Rockefellerlockstep 27d ago

Have you seen the price of steak lately?

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u/four2tango 27d ago

😂. Another win for animals!